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|Comment #1 by iBeatStuffUp |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:07:55 AM
|I know this is totally uncalled for and somewhat irrelevant, but... |
Man, Too Human sucks.
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|Comment #2 by jjoerger |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:09:14 AM
|This seems odd! |
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|Comment #3 by ChrisDrummer |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:10:36 AM
|I actually enjoyed Too Human, wouldn't pay the £40 price tag it originally had, but for an £8 game now it's pretty damn good. Just a shame that this happened as I love Epic, and it might've been a better game if these accusations are true |
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|Comment #4 by xXSolid Sn4keXx |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:11:25 AM
|they are just mad because their game (too human) sucks! |
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|Comment #5 by SP4RT4N360 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:13:07 AM
|If i was Epic i wouldnt worry as it would take silicon knights about 10 years to get the legal paperwork in order and then it would be a mediocre case at best............. |
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|Comment #6 by VapidFuture |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:16:02 AM
|it took them like 10 years to make too human, ps1, gamecube and finally xbox 360 were the destined systems in each generation, they just mad cause they made a shitty game and it didnt sell well, even the Canadian Government gave them a massive money grant to keep going, why they bitching now? |
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|Comment #7 by blackbriar83 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:16:58 AM
|They built too human up to be this amazing game put alot of money into it. The bam!!! It sucks. One of the worst games I've ever played and I've played pimp my ride & avatar. They're just looking someone to blame. Hope epic takes them to the cleaners. |
P.s don't ever ever ever make another game ever ever again
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|Comment #8 by DarthTrakd |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:17:23 AM
|right so we have one dev who has released 1 medicore game in the lifetime of the xbox sueing another dev who has released multiple good games in the past couple of years. |
here's a hint SK, MAKE SOME GORRAM GAMES ALREADY!!!!!!
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|Comment #9 by t035t3r |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:17:31 AM
|too human was TOO crap |
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|Comment #10 by Fishcracker |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:20:13 AM
|Too Human was a fantastic game. I enjoyed it and it was well worth the money. Since I like both companies I hope it works out somehow, as optimistic as that sounds the fact is, it will be nasty. |
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|Comment #11 by MiNiM61 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:20:20 AM
|I find it pretty pathetic that they need to blame the tools for 'considerable losses'. |
If they were that fussed, they always could've gotten a different engine.
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|Comment #12 by IC3 L3G3ND |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:20:52 AM
|What really frustrates me is is personally thought that Too Human was a fantastic game and would love to of seen a sequel instead of them wasting time trying to get revenge on EPIC. |
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|Comment #13 by Man On The Run |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:30:13 AM
|Shame about Too Human, never bought it but from the same company who made Eternal Darkness (awesome by the way) its a shame. |
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|Comment #14 by Jellybean468 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:34:00 AM
|I don't care how many thumbs down I get, I hope they lose and EPIC comes out on top because they're awesome. |
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|Comment #15 by xxrpggamemanxx |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:34:25 AM
|I agree with IC3 L3G3ND I honestly loved Too Human and my friend and I played it a lot. It was a fun game and if you didn't take it too seriously it was amazing. |
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|Comment #16 by Soulreaper 1337 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:37:33 AM
|Both companies failed... silicon knights knew they werent going to get the latest engine Epic made because it had just been finished when silicon was part way through the game (at least that is one of the excuses Epic made) and Epic is being a bigger ass by not admiting they didnt want to help their competition that originally was going to release their game around the same time as gears. I enjoyed both games; gears being better graphically and gameplay wise, but too human had a better character development and depth to the story. i hope silicon will just admit they are looking for excuses for their failure before they go backrupt (which has been rumored ever since they fired 30 of their 200 employees after too humans release) and Epic will stop its pussy footing about them sabotaging competition. regardless of the two companies failings, Too Human was in the top ten from its release in august till november so the game was good to some at least. |
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|Comment #17 by D4RK V1C3 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:39:57 AM
|I also agree with IC3 L3G3ND |
I loved too human (still play it from time to time" and would have loved a sequel!
On Topic : this really sucks.. i love Epic but if this is true i hope to god that they lose.. no matter how awesome your company is.. you don't do s@#* like this..
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|Comment #18 by Whiistler |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:40:13 AM
|EPIC are just wannabes. Truth is their games lack any fun gameplay and how they are considered popular is beyond me.|
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|Comment #19 by HorsemanOfWar16 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:42:42 AM
|they just pissed that there game sucks donkey tits and EPIC have an amazing franchise like Gears of War!! - Does that mean every games studio out there who has made a shitty game under the unreal engine 3 sue Epic .... NO retards, learn to make a game !!! |
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|Comment #20 by Highlander UK |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:51:08 AM
|lol @ crap too human players blaming the game ;-) |
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|Comment #21 by ThePumpkinKing |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:54:08 AM
|Wow. Fuck Silicon Knights. Got a problem with the Unreal Engine? Want a better version? Not getting it? BUILD YOUR OWN FUCKING ENGINE. Like every other reputable development house would do. Don't sue Epic because your released a piss-poor game, years after the hype was already dead. This is just a dick move. And will end with the suit having no legal merit whatsoever. |
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|Comment #22 by kingofthstrays |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:01:25 AM
|@7 there making a x-men game where you can have make choices like in fable |
As far as too human played the demo and never touched it since
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|Comment #23 by darktears88 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:03:35 AM
|this sucks hope it doesnt effect gow |
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|Comment #24 by alklein35 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:06:55 AM
|They may get paid from this, they may not (wouldn't surprise me if they did, but I don't think they should). But really? Getting a cut of GoW profits? If they get that, that's complete BS |
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|Comment #25 by ViNyLek |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:19:16 AM
|Sounds like some legit claims right there. I love Epic, but this is way beneath anyone. If it turns out truth (and I have a feeling it just might) I will lose some respect for Epic... In other news, me and my friends loved Too Human and played it for a long time. Way better than many hack'n'slash games out there:-P |
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|Comment #26 by Joker0fLife |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:26:09 AM
|I sometimes wonder if the people who post comments on here realize how stupid they sound...If you can't fully grasp what's going on, don't comment on it. |
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|Comment #27 by kase3000 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:29:16 AM
|here's the thing Silicon Knights started the lawsuit long before Too Human was released. So the idea that this lawsuit has anything to due with the low sales of too human is without merit. Dyack said multiple times during development that there was problems with the engine. Reportly, and I don't know if this is true or not, SK was promised one thing by Epic and given something completely different and Epic tends to release new engine version every six months or so. |
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|Comment #28 by Sean1234 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:30:49 AM
|I personally like Epic more, but I also loved Too Human (never got to beat it). I hope they resolve this issue. |
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|Comment #29 by Nero Mystyraa |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:36:01 AM
|Fuck Silicon Knights and their Silicon breasted moms! |
Too Human didn't sell as well as they hoped and now they're trying to blame it on Epic and try to get a portion of Gears of War's success. What a bunch of assholes!
Do the gaming industry and all of us gamers a huge favor and never make another fuckin game again!
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|Comment #30 by asphyxiate |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:42:08 AM
|@8 You made my day with that Firefly reference. |
@16 I think you hit the nail on the head there.
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|Comment #31 by Dlark17 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:43:24 AM
|Good luck to both sides, I say. I love Epic, and anyone who knows me will attest that I'm a full-fledged Cliffy B Fanboy, but SK does have some valid points. If it gets us to see a vastly improved sequel to Too Human (a game I honestly love, despite anyone else's harsh reviews), then so be it. Interests and competition should be fair, and so should the ruling. |
I just hope both of them come out more or less unscathed. Lord knows Epic could take a financial hit and walk away clean, but nobody's gotta walk away with their name tarnished.
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|Comment #32 by Black Reign MCW |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:48:50 AM
|“Silicon Knights has always wanted to have our focus be on making great games, not litigation." |
No, your focus is not great games. If it were, Too Human would not have sucked so bad. Now you want some of Gears of War's profits? You can't sell for shit and now you want to take away from a popular game. Goto Hell.
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|Comment #33 by Fishcracker |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:51:43 AM
|Man fuck all you GoW fanboys. Silicon Knights have made extremely well games and Too Human, while not perfect, was a fantastic game. I would be after Epic as well if I paid for a service and didn't get what I paid for. |
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|Comment #34 by Boro Iz Rich |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:55:08 AM
Honestly, I could care a less about this retardedness. I wanna see what happens next in the Acti/IW heads/EA saga. lol
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|Comment #35 by DK1NG |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:55:49 AM
|EPIC entered into a contract with silicon knights( which silicon knights had paid part of for) that they would supply a fully working version of the UNREAL engine within 6 Months of the release of the XBOX360 and that they would exclusively use this engine, they failed to do this instead releasing an incomplete version, to allow Silicon knights to begin development, if I recall correctly they also said they would fully support, as sometime delays are inevitable, apparantly they failed to offer adequate support as at the same time EPIC were also working on Gears so were using the engine themselves, as they still hadn't issued the completed version to Silicon(or other developers for that matter). |
As a result of the incomplete engine, Silicon had to enhance the code that they effective altered it so much(for better or worse) they no longer classed it as the UNREAL engine, thus Silicon felt they should not have to pay (completely) for an incomplete product and lack of support.
I dont like seeing this kind of thing myself, but, if you pay someone supply a product and they fail to provide in the time scale stated, there at least should be some discount. It pains me to think how much better Too Human could have been if silicon knights had been able to spend more time refining the game than having to correct an incomplete Game engine, as I anticipated the game for a long time.
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|Comment #36 by caboose69ing |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:56:50 AM
|Dear silicon knights...your games are shit you are shit, and now your leeching off someone else's product....you F******* slime. go eat a ginormous bag of dicks..... |
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|Comment #37 by Krafty92 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:57:13 AM
|At all the people who support SK do you know that their allegations are true plus so many companies are getting sue happy these days and its usually for a good reason ,once you get past the face that it is most likely money-grubbing, the cases get thrown out because they have no merit like most likely this case will because SK will no doubt have no substantial evidence to back their claims up. |
p.s. Just 'cause your game sucks don't get mad (pro tip)
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|Comment #38 by SG1 Warsquatch |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:57:15 AM
|@ 29 You are dumb. Ignorance is bliss. Silicon Knights has had a case for a while epic just has better lawyers. Silicon knights was and can still be a great Development team. Too Human was built on a new engine after getting screwed by epic. They have more talent then most of the children bashing them on this site. I would take an original game like Eternal Darkness or Too Human over the over sized foot, steriod addicted space marine shooters out there. Saddest thing of all is that both Teams have good Developers on them and should work together to create the best games possible. Instead we get litigation and biased fanboy muppets to look forward to.. |
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|Comment #39 by sinwar14 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:57:28 AM
|they shouldn't blame a solid engine for their own faults |
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|Comment #40 by RobotHacker |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:59:18 AM
|Never played Too Human but if you licence a bit of software surely you get support? So if Epic held back on that then they're dicks. |
Don't really care how it goes, but many games use the Unreal engine so seems weird Epic would single out one developer to piss on?
Also Too Human makers asking for slice of GOW profits, that just smacks of greed or desperation. Just sue them for $60mil or whatever, don't jump on the bandwagon of other games
As said earlier, not too fussed on this, as long as GOW3 isn't delayed for any reason.
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|Comment #41 by Godfather93a |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:04:41 AM
|It looks like SK is just looking for a scapegoat for their game being so |
shitty, but it must not have been that big of a flop if there are so
many Too human Fan Boys bitching on this page.
PS: EPIC rules!!!! GOW3 FTW!!! & Like 21 said quit your bitching SK
build your own fucking engine, so that way when your game sales are
piss poor you wont have anybody's successful game series [GOW} 2 mooch off!!
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|Comment #42 by M Renegade |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:10:57 AM
|Well guess I won't be buying anything from Silicon Knights anymore. Can't stand retarded and immature development teams. So what you got an incomplete engine, it was not that fault that Too Human failed, it failed because people didn't like it....even though I actually enjoyed it..... |
And they broke their contract when they altered the code of the engine....
This is just completely uncalled for, your profits went down, and now that Epic is doing so well you want some of their money? Not going to happen.
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|Comment #43 by mjc0961 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:17:13 AM
|"Silicon Knights has always wanted to have our focus be on making great games" |
Really? Because you started making Too Human in 1999 for the freaking Playstation 1, and didn't get it out until 9 years and two new generations of hardware later.
But you're right, it must be Epic's fault that your game sucks the fat ass.
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|Comment #44 by RagnarokMessiah |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:20:35 AM
|Is this case going before court in the U.S. or Canada? Either way most people who comment about this have no idea how the business world and the legal system work. When one company enters into a contract with another, they both agree to a breach of contract penalty that states if one company breaches the contract they will pay the other company a fee. If the company that breaches the contract refuses to pay then the other company files a lawsuit to get that money. |
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|Comment #45 by Stealthcake |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:21:08 AM
|Too Human was fucking shit, court cases are fucking shit. I'm gonna get some beers. |
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|Comment #46 by Lothra |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:28:56 AM
|Good game engine or not, Too Human would have sucked either way, there just mad because Epic know how to use there own tech much better and get better results/sales from the eventual games. |
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|Comment #47 by Gackt |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:37:31 AM
|I am convinced that all the people saying Too Human sucked didnt play it for more then 10 minutes... game was great. |
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|Comment #48 by LegendaryMarvel |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:44:15 AM
|I actually played the hell out of Too Human. I liked it. I think it could've/should've been much better though considering how long the game was in development. I get this feeling though that SK is trying to make up for lack of sales on the game and get a little something in return. |
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|Comment #49 by MuZik iNjecTioN |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:49:59 AM
|Agreed #47, I put over 50 hours in Too Human. It's an extremely fun hack and slash Co-op game, but it game get boring by yourself after a bit. |
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|Comment #50 by Lord Montymort |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:58:10 AM
|Wait, maybe i'm not reading this right but it sounds to me like they are saying Too Human was a failure because EPIC didn't give them the latest version of the Unreal Engine? Well EPIC own the Unreal Engine, surely if they weren't ready/didn't want to hand out the latest version at that time it's up to them right, or is it now illegal to keep something you created for yourself? |
Anyway I don't think they realize the problems this could potentially cause. A lot of developers use the Unreal Engine, this could potentially push EPIC to stop allowing other developers to use it if it goes anywhere, because if Silicon Knights wins this it'll just open the door for more developers to blame EPIC for when there games don't sell.
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|Comment #51 by Super_Shot_Sammy |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:00:53 PM
|just my opion but too human was terrible, the fact there taking them to court becuse they made a terrible game is redonkulus |
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|Comment #52 by Ultimo Godzilla |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:20:35 PM
|Not everyone likes the same game so for all you bitching about how it sucked and for those saying you loved it and don't know why anyone else hated it, GET A LIFE! |
On topic: I am a proud Gears fanboy and I hope Epic didn't screw over another company for personal gain. Yes this is business but we are all gamers whether we are developing or playing so we should remember that at the end of the day. They should just group hug.
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|Comment #53 by Grummy |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:21:49 PM
|It's not Epic's fault they made a shit game, it's because they suck. |
If they won this case it'd be a bloody travesty. I hope they get owned and laughed out of court.
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|Comment #54 by gulyas1 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:24:00 PM
|Actually I think too human was a pretty good game, iv played a fairfew and this one was pretty good, not sure everyone enjoyed the idea of the game, but non the less it was good. |
But as said there could have been better aspects in the game. Id like them to get to work on another one and see what they could accomplish from it, rather than spending the money on a court case look at improving their reputation.
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|Comment #55 by l.maciver |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:29:11 PM
|with the way too human is built, i dont think it matters what engine they used cause it would still be rubbish. |
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|Comment #56 by Opiate42 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:31:25 PM
|This just isn't going to be pretty.... |
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|Comment #57 by Godfather93a |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:31:42 PM
|@50 DUH!! Have you been living under a rock your whole life? In this |
day & age of course anything you create isn't yours, you need to spread
the wealth of your success to help other people that failed at life.
LOL just kidding but I totally agree with you its just pathetic what SK
is trying to do.
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|Comment #58 by Caramel Cardinal |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:38:05 PM
|tbh, it's epic's engine they can do with it as they please in my opinion, the same is true with any money they make from selling it |
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|Comment #59 by aSMiLoN |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:41:35 PM
|To all who claim that Too Human was a shit game: If you ignore the Valkyrie dying sequence, why do you think that the game like that? |
Bad camera? The graphics could have been better? Lack of 4 player co-op gameplay? The game felt that it could be longer?
Well if SK had a better (and promised) engine that supported all of the above and didn't waste resources to fight with an inferior game engine, there wouldn't be aboce complaints and the devs would focus on making the game even better and larger.
The core mechanics of the game were awesome and the game was very enjoyable and I can only imagine how much better it could have been.
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|Comment #60 by J BARNSLEY |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:47:10 PM
|If I where EPIC I wouldn't want a shit company like SK to be using unreal engine. Sounds to me like they're just bitter and are they serious about taking a percentage of Gears profits?! Ok, prehaps there is a bit of foul play on EPIC'S part, but to take a share of one of the best franchises ever made is just plain wrong. |
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|Comment #61 by W1cked Seraph |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:47:58 PM
|Yeah lets blame Epic for our huge failed game that was what a decade overdue in the first place? you released a SHIT game that you spent a freaking decade making and are now trying to blame Epic for your fail. There are so many things wrong with Too Human I don't even know where to start.... |
BUT ILL TRY:
Story was boring
Seriously wtf is up with the death scene
Achievement for dying 100 times Fuck you SK fuck you
Camera was crap
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|Comment #62 by ebrooch7 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:50:03 PM
I disliked all of what you said, along with poor controls, terrible dialogue, and terrible plot, as well.
It wasn't the worst game I've played, it was just a pretty awful one.
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|Comment #63 by FoxViper1 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:56:55 PM
|#50 and 57 SK has no chance...and yes what you make is not yours unless you patent it and then people can still recreate it just they'll have to pay you. |
IF you have created/invented something you better keep it a secret cause it wont be your for long...
that being said this sorta doesn't have anything to do with this artical.
OT: sound like info is being left out or there really suing for a lost cause.If EPIC agreed to use the latest updated engine for Too Human and didn't SK will have a chance.This sound more like EPIC agreed to use there engine for Too Human but were also creating a new one. when SK found out EPIC had a better engine and that they weren't using it in Too Human they though oh we can sue...THIS IS ALL MY OPINION.
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|Comment #64 by Lord of Orion |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 12:58:43 PM
|I liked Too Human and it is unfortunate that most of the people flaming this game probably played it for 10 minutes and decided that it was time to move on. The story isn't great, but it isn't bad either. The controls are tough to get used to, but they make more sense once you play through the game. |
Maybe you guys are all saudy because you have 50 achievement points in the game and don't want to play it and get the rest of them. If they have a case, I'd be interested to hear it.
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|Comment #65 by rrushn |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 01:13:55 PM
|Hilarious fanboys are hilarious. |
A Fanboy in action: *reads title* *posts an anti-SK rant*
All this, while the article clearly elaborates on the issue, proving any of those rants wrong before it was even written.
Keep it up, you amuse me !
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|Comment #66 by BBowles |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 01:20:06 PM
|@50 and 57: Of course your creation is your own. However, if you enter into a legally binding contract stating that you would give another company the LATEST version of that product and FULL support with issues, then you are required to do so. SK is claiming the build they received was junk and they got little support from Epic. This isn't about who owns the rights to the engine, its about one company believing they did not receive what they paid for. Learn to read before you post such ignorance. |
Secondly, as has been stated to all you fanboy douchebags, this whole issue started BEFORE Too Human even went on sale. So ANY argument that this is over their "flopped" game sales is just fanboys crying because their perfect Epic might have done something wrong or immoral.
This isn't about bad sales. It's about a company having to stitch together a sub-par engine, that they were told was much better and finished, in order to release a mediocre game by a certain deadline. If they had received the product they paid for, the game could have been much better, or much worse. Who knows. That's not the point. They didn't get what they paid for, and it affected the quality of the game. That's the claim, so fanboys go take some Ritalin and try to comprehend what is going on. Jesus.
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|Comment #67 by Neomalysys |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 01:30:47 PM
|SK made Eternal Darkness and are currently working on a new X-Men game. They made great games before Too Human and have a project in their studio so they don't need the money. The fact that Disney also filed claims against Epic before SK did over similar accusations means this could be legit. How hard is it to send the latest version of your software to your customers. If they claim it's money for not updating SK's Unreal 3 software they could have just charged SK for the update. |
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|Comment #68 by Clericking |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 01:44:08 PM
|sound like sore losers if you ask me they want a cut from one of the most popular gameing franchises to exist for what makeing a horribal game so they can get more money to put back into makeing another To human 2 a game that dosent deserve a sequel |
only so far you can blame an engine on a shitty game i mean oblivion used a imperfect now very out of date engine and it was a brilliant game
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|Comment #69 by Raesvelgr |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 01:51:58 PM
|@61 you are friggin retarded. The game took 3-4 years to make like any other new IP, and the ten years thing was how long they were thinking of the idea of the game. |
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|Comment #70 by Denizens44 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 02:14:29 PM
|To be honest here, I think both sides should be punished in some way bacause Epic gave them a out of date engine, but then SK should have just built a new engine. So really im not on either side. |
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|Comment #71 by Denizens44 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 02:16:09 PM
|I also think SK should get a a part of the profit knowing how much Epic makes off gears of war. |
BTW sorry for double post, I forgot to add this.
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|Comment #72 by Godly Gamer |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 02:24:53 PM
|Pfff Too human sucked |
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|Comment #73 by Saracin |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 02:59:59 PM
|Maybe Square Enix should sue Epic over Last Remnant. |
I think Too Human would have been a decent title if it wasn't for the camera and the difficulty. The enemies stayed too close to your level to make you ever feel strong and the camera hurt when you were just trying to look around for stuff.
Also wouldn't have minded dying so much if it wasn't for the long as hell Valkyrie scene and the durability on my equipment. Durability is a lame idea and is only used to force you to use your gold and waste time traveling back to town.
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|Comment #74 by Furl |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 03:02:15 PM
|I've have had more fun, reading the comments section here, than I did playing Too Human or Gears. Nice to see a lively debate hahaha. |
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|Comment #75 by Sarlac MUHAHA |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 03:19:11 PM
|What would you do if you were this unhappy with the engine you used? |
Well I can pretty savely say that I would never ever even think about creating another game with that engine.
Just take a guess what engine the upcomming X-Men Destiny uses! - Yepp Unreal Engine 3
To me this looks like SK is just looking for somebody else to blame because Too Human did not turn out too well.
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|Comment #76 by rrushn |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 03:53:22 PM
|sigh... another one that lacks the ability to read. |
Sarlac needs to get MUHAHA'd indeed.
See the original date of the legal battle? 2007
When was Too Human released? 2008
What is this nonsense you're spouting about blaming someone for bad sales?
Don't worry though, after this post, some dimwit will say exactly the same as you did, without taking the time to read comments, let alone... here it comes... THE ARTICLE ITSELF !
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|Comment #77 by Icefist1 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 04:01:33 PM
|Silicon Knights need to stop sueing everyone and they need to start focusing more on games...they are loosing respect in the gaming world...I bought TooHuman...it didnt fully suck however its gameplay was akward... the analog sticks are for camara and movement control...its a standard for a reason...and the valkyrie coming down EVERY time you died in an unskippably long cutscene...Need to stop complaining about the past and move towards the future |
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|Comment #78 by Dallas |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 04:31:33 PM
|Epic sucks. They can burn in hell. Too Human sucks. But I hate Cliff, Epic and Gears more than anything on this planet. I wouldn't want any of Epic's money. |
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|Comment #79 by Quagmire3540 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 04:36:28 PM
|It's not Epic's fault that Silicon Knights took forever to produce a game(Too Human) and then failed miserably at it. I played Too Human for about 30 minutes before I said "this game is garbage". I've lost all respect for Silicon Knights, I will never purchase another game by them in the future. They focus on litigation rather hen making decent games.. What a pity... |
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|Comment #80 by Vindicator51 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 04:38:03 PM
|Too Human ended up as it is, because it was pushed back far too many times. It was decent, but the death angel was painful. |
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|Comment #81 by Castlevania1995 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 04:53:31 PM
|Sigh, and another page that shows how terrible the majority of this site's community has become. First, anyone that says that the lawsuit is a result of bad sales, or says that the lawsuit has only happened just now is an idiot. It's not that hard to actually read the article you comment on. |
Second, posts like "Unreal belongs to Epic, they can do whatever they want" are stupid. If you sell a product with the contract stating that you'll provide tech support and updates, then you have to provide that. SK did not receive the products that they had already payed for, and thus had to do a large portion of building the engine themselves. Therefore, they basically want part of their money back as they didn't get what they payed for.
Again, this was not a result of bad sales, as the lawsuit started in 2007, while the game was released in 2008.
Also, do some people just thumbs up their own posts? Or are some people actually so uninformed that if someone makes a few idiotic claims in the favour of the more popular developer, they instantly give that message a thumbs up?
Now, lets just hope that if more people post, they will actually read the article and some of the comments.
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|Comment #82 by LoveAsThouWilt |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 05:23:08 PM
|Tell them to stop bitching and go back to Eternal Darkness remake or HD release of it. I loved that game and through it, loved Silicon KNights (and their awesome job on Twin Snakes), but it CLEARLY looks like they are trying to blame someone else for their failed game. Look, I know it set you guys back Silicon, but pick your OWN feet up off the ground and stop trying to blame others. |
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|Comment #83 by francisrossi |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 06:24:58 PM
|A handful of quality posts here, and loads of morons. Sounds about right... |
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|Comment #84 by Keytta |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 06:32:31 PM
|I also felt that this was a great game. For those that commented about wanting TH2...it was announced on X-Play a month or two back that the company has announced there will be no TH2. |
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|Comment #85 by matrix403 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 06:44:22 PM
|All I can say is that there have been many games far better than Too Human, made from far less. |
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|Comment #86 by HalfEVILmonkey |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 06:56:56 PM
|This lawsuit seems to be crying about how SK couldn't use the engine properly. Did EPIC probably withhold an updated version of the engine? Probably. But how is that EPIC's problem? SK signed up for what the original version of the engine could do, not what EPIC did AFTERWARDS to improve it. It just seems like a really lame excuse for what was not a very memorable game (Too Human). |
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|Comment #87 by Pooly93 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 06:59:04 PM
|I actually got Too Human for a fiver yesterday and I'm about to start playing it.... |
I just don't get all this hate around it, yeah it may have been a mediocre game cause of all the hype, but how many other games are exactly the same? (Fable 2 for example)
I'm not on either side here, and after reading #38's comment I can quite easily agree with him, there are too many games like Halo and Call of Duty around now so games like Too Human shouldn't be met with such hostility by all the fanboys so willing to get their cock out and put it in the hole of their next Call of Halo clone.
I am a fan of COD and Halo by the way, but I'm just not a complete crazed fan boy about them.
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|Comment #88 by Garren101 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 07:09:39 PM
|@62 You really think that Norse mythology makes for a terrible plot? Really? |
But as far as it goes Too Human was not a horrible game as a lot of you make it out to be, nor was it an amazing game as others are. It was a decent hack-and-slash RPG that had some glaring short-comings that prevented it from being a great game. While it lasted I had a blast playing it, but it never left me feeling like I was playing something significant. It's a shame that it didn't do well, but SK has made good games in the past and they will continue to make good games in the future. After all how many devs have 100% hit rates, I'm looking at you Activision.
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|Comment #89 by Wtfmissile |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 07:30:26 PM
|You people are retarded. Too Human wasn't in dev for over 10years. The concept was. Sure it had a start on the PS1 and Gamecube but they wanted to wait for the next gen, the new tech to get their setting right. Which is what was suppose to happen till Epic bent them over and put one in them. |
If you read up, Too Human was going to have open environments, 4player coop and tons of other things that they couldn't do because they had to scrape together their own shit at the last minute to finally release the game.
Had epic decided not to be asshats about it, TH would have been an amazing game(though I still love it, has it's issues but still a fun game) and this isn't the first time Epic lends their "help" to another dev and a game falls short.
Epic are greedy, sell out whores of the industry. If you don't believe that, look at what they did to the UT franchise and all of the fail that continues to pour out of the Gears franchise. They're right up there with Activision slaughtering good franchises, closing down good dev studios and sucking CoD's tit harder than a newborn.
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|Comment #90 by Night45Fox |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 07:50:37 PM
|Too Human was really nice. |
For those that didn't know, the lack of UT3's ability to display hundreds of enemies on screen at time, with effects caused SK to have to code their entire graphics engine from scratch.
Also the Norse mythology with technology is fucking awesome.
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|Comment #91 by Aunty Laxman |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 08:34:49 PM
Yes, Too Human did suck... Becuase of Epics neglect for the company paying to use thier engine. How can you make a good game when the tools you are using arent working properly?
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|Comment #92 by Aunty Laxman |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 08:36:24 PM
They've stopped making UT altogther becuase of too many PC gamers downloading the games, and thus they constantly lose money from it.
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|Comment #93 by FishyOutOfWater |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 09:43:02 PM
|@89 Eh no Epic are nothing like that. They don't shut down 'good dev studios' and there have only been a couple of gears games out, not like the annual COD game. |
OH and it's not Epics fault that Too Human lacked all the originally promised features...
Insulting the game is not a good way of defending it you moron.
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|Comment #94 by TomatoJr. |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 10:15:29 PM
|Silicon Knights should die. Looking at the games they have produced, only Blood Omen possesses an ounce of merit. It makes me sad that talented studios fail whilst trash like SK go on. |
Hope Epic massacre them in court.
Oh and @16, i somehow doubt character development was the focus of GOW.
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|Comment #95 by Balamatrix |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:38:42 PM
|Too Human was nothing like they said it was going to be.Its thier own damn fault they didnt make enough money off of it.I paid full price for that piece of crap and it was the most redundant same shit over and over again game i ever played on a console from this generation |
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|Comment #96 by hocobear52 |
Thursday, March 31, 2011 @ 11:46:27 PM
|u cant blame a graphics engine for horrible camera angles during gameplay, and why have u never made a sequel, oh i remember why, the first one was at best, an okay game. nothing but winning second rate game creators. |
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|Comment #97 by Blueprotoss |
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 02:32:16 AM
|@ 93. Good Developers have been closed like Pandemic and Bizarre Games are two examples. There are also Bad Developers that haven't been closed like Lionhead and Rare. You do realize that Gears was announced as a Trilogy just like Mass Effect. You forget that Epic is devoted to multiple projects while IW and Treyarch are only devoted to CoD. If the coding was bad in the Unreal Engine then Epic screwed up. You forgot another thing and you lose your credability in an arguement when you insult people. |
@ 94. Epic is losing badly especially when Silicon Knights is partnered with Disney.
@ 95. Too Human wasn't that Bad while I doubt that was the worst game in between 2000 to 2010.
@ 96. If the Engine had bad coding issues and SK weren't notified then Epic caused a problem.
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|Comment #98 by knightlife88 |
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 03:45:27 AM
|Not really sure what to think of this. I love Epic games and while Too Human's story was ridiculously bad (My opinion) I loved the actual gameplay and played the game for a long time after I got 1000 gamerscore. I wish they would have supported Too Human post-launch. |
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|Comment #99 by Mr Weazle |
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 04:29:16 AM
|I quite enjoyed Too Human, but i did come to it expecting the worse. |
If i had bought it on day one for £40 on the basis of Mr Dyacks boasts i would have been slightly less impressed
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|Comment #100 by FishyOutOfWater |
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 05:40:43 AM
|@97 I don't think you understood my point. I meant that Epic haven't closed any good devs. Oh and Bizarre a good dev? You must be having a laugh. Sure PGR and GW were good, and blur was passable, but all there other games were shit. |
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|Comment #101 by Blueprotoss |
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 01:21:29 PM
|@ 100. You didn't say anything like that in your post and you shouldn't have people assume things like that as well. Epic isn't big enough to own multiple Studios or become a Publisher, which is why Epic hasn't closed any Studios while the same can be said for Valve. You do realize thats your own Opinion while you shouldn't confuse Opinions with Facts. |
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|Comment #102 by rapture23 |
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 04:06:19 PM
|I hope that Silicon Knights wins. EPIC needs to be punished in any way possible for putting out that crap, formerly known as a game, Gears of War 2. I loved gears 2 but 2 sucked. they got hungry for money. Apparently Silicon Knights' money. |
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|Comment #103 by Kunduz |
Friday, April 01, 2011 @ 09:54:28 PM
|One thing puzzled me: "as well as using license fees to help fund development on Gears of War" Aren't Epic Games entitled to use their revenue as they wish? |
It seems like a pretty dickish move by Epic, if they withheld an improved version of the Unreal engine and breached their contract...
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|Comment #104 by Samurai Kadaj |
Saturday, April 23, 2011 @ 02:05:46 PM
|I just hope this doesn't put a damper on the X-Men game Silicon Knights is currently working on. This is a ridiculous lawsuit, but this upcoming X-Men game is the last chance I'm giving Silicon Knights to prove themselves to me as a capable gaming studio. |
Win or lose, Epic is already so big that the outcome of this battle will only be a few crumbs on their shoulders for them to brush away.
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|Comment #105 by T3h%Shr3dd3r |
Thursday, July 07, 2011 @ 08:06:23 PM
|Epic needs to pay their dues. They took the money that was given to them, delivered less than half the product they promised, and then spent the money to build their own game. Silicon Knights then had to try and make the best of what they had - and this company is set up to build games, not engines, and as a result, their game which had been mired by delays as it was, ended up not being as good as it could have been. Yes, they could have used another engine, but the options were to to use an older engine to try and offset the money they had already spent on an engine, or to pay out another enormous amount of money to get another "Modern" engine. You people telling them to quit whining, just shut up. They paid more for the use of that engine than most of us make in a year. Heck, more than a lot make in TWO years. Since Epic used the money to build Gears of War, then that basically makes Silicon Knights GOW "investors" and they should get a return on their investment. Silicon Knights is a small company of people trying to make games that they themselves would want to play, and corporate greed is threatening to fold them under. |
NEXT TIME: Go to Bioware for your engine. If Too Human had been based on Aurora, then none of this would have happened.
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|Comment #106 by lornesbored |
Saturday, December 17, 2011 @ 09:07:11 PM
|for every dollar that Epic loses they will make back 400 fold due to their endless amunt of DLC sales for Gears 3. |