Xbox360Achievements.org - Dress Lara Up in More Classic Tomb Raider Attire

	Comment #1 by Olliezilla Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:37:01 AM Cool, early DLC for TR

	Comment #2 by CienPR Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:37:49 AM Gotta love free DLC

	Comment #3 by ViNyLek Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:39:29 AM Sweet

	Comment #4 by Mr Jonnysniper Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:39:45 AM Hurray!

	Comment #5 by patches4711 Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:48:00 AM This is pretty cool and glad they are free.

	Comment #6 by Fishy2606 Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 11:56:50 AM gradually publishers realise they can't charge us for every little DLC! New levels and achievements, something that really lengthens the actually game play is ok, but for things such as gamer pics and themes, i personally think its a bit of a joke to charge for those.

	Comment #7 by StolenKyle/ Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:00:46 PM Never played a TR before. Maybe I should...

	Comment #8 by Zenquen Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:14:22 PM Will Classic give her back her bosoms?

	Comment #9 by JedEgan Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:27:00 PM Not interested in playing dollies and dress up (even if it is free), give me some new levels.

	Comment #10 by Fighterspledge Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 12:32:42 PM They took her bazookas away?

	Comment #11 by ROA5T BeeF Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 01:08:04 PM Cool! Anything free is good! As insignificant as it may seem, this is a good way for developers to make you keep playing, without paying.

	Comment #12 by Bearded Bugs Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 01:59:37 PM Awesome, just downloaded both bits of content, thanks for the heads up! Gotta love them thighs!

	Comment #13 by EvilestBean Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 03:45:32 PM Wow, ive only just started playing this game tonight and then I read this, awesome, I love the Tomb Raider games lol.

	Comment #14 by mjc0961 Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 04:22:15 PM Cool, thanks for the news. I'll download it now so it'll be ready when my copy of the game gets here.

	Comment #15 by mjc0961 Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 04:23:07 PM And yeah, the new wetsuit pack is a gold only offer: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v611/mjc0961/tombraidergold.gif

	Comment #16 by NeotericDope Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 06:22:36 PM Pathetic, what is this skimpy suits for a fake silicone breasted ho? Images like Lara Croft with her plastic tits hanging out are what's wrong with the country and every chick wanting silicone from their mommies and daddies before they turn 16. That and all the other crap advertising. Is it impossible to have a real chick in a game minus Faith from Mirror's Edge or Zoey from L4D? I'm surprised though that Zoey wasn't the ditzy blonde with margarine boobs that runs around giggling and screaming while trying to get one of the dudes to take a quickie break in one of the bathrooms. It's sickening. Shame on Microsoft with their "TWO HOT NEW SUIT CRAP". Men in this country are so predictable. Beer and big fake tits. Fucking ass clowns. Dudes minds are seriously corrupt.

	Comment #17 by Aelarin Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 07:07:38 PM #16 - Are you a feminist, or just plain hate men?

	Comment #18 by Genesis x360a Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 07:14:40 PM @ 16 - Jeeze chill out, Its a friking game. Anywayz at least its free :)

	Comment #19 by NeotericDope Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 07:24:02 PM @#17 Nah I'm just a dude that likes real, independent women. Anything else is an insignificant product of American society. I just hate how games have to have to a fake chick to promote their game. It's a sad fact that dudes and women would rather have a scantily clad phony girl on their cover rather than a real looking woman like Faith from Mirror's Edge. @18 Free is always good I'm actually surprised they didn't charge for outfits like everyone else would have to make an extra buck for nothing.

	Comment #20 by Bearded Bugs Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 07:32:41 PM If Lara was infact real, I'm pretty sure she'd be a good definition of an "independent" woman.

	Comment #21 by NeotericDope Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 08:05:17 PM @#20 She's not Independent. She's the product of woman who manipulates and let's herself get used. She's one of those women who is portrayed as strong and independent, but the fact is that it's a facade. You don't get to see her true self. A women full of insecurities just waiting to get her firewall burnt down.

	Comment #22 by devils reject Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 08:22:53 PM @#21 i think you dont know what you are on about its free and its tomb raider the game that introduced women to games if i wasnt for lara crotf you wouldnt have faith or zoey as you say faith and zoey would be big titted girls who giggle and want a quicky if it wasnt for lara croft @#22 GET A LIFE

	Comment #23 by NeotericDope Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 08:35:31 PM If it wasn't for Lara Croft we wouldn't have women in Video Games. What kind of joke is that. Lara Croft wasn't the first women in a video game. I know what I'm on we're talking about Tomb Raider and Lara Croft rocking tight skimpy bathing suits. I'm making a point that Lara Croft is the epitome of gaming idiocy. Because it proves she sells games because people think she's hot and she has big breasts that pop out of her shirt and bounce when she moves. IT'S PATHETIC.

	Comment #24 by Bearded Bugs Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 08:38:45 PM I personally have never bought a Tomb Raider game because I thought the main character was "hot" or because of her breasts... I'd guess that maybe 95% of people who buy Tomb Raider games buy them because they're fun action & adventure games.

	Comment #25 by Der Nacho Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 08:49:32 PM I think there's a hell of a lot more wrong in this country other than Lara Croft's outfits. And isnt the developer a UK based company?

	Comment #26 by NeotericDope Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 09:17:31 PM @#24 Neither have I, but I personally know a lot of people who have. Having a hot chick backing your action/adventure game doesn't hurt it at all either. It's rated Teen and aimed at young boys drooling over a hot girl. It's in every kids mind when they see that image that she's hot and they'd love to ogle her goodies. And nobody can say that's not true. I mean how many respectable women do you see in games? Mostly all of them have to be out of this world sexy and fake. Video game designers are habitual offenders of this problem.

	Comment #27 by XZYOE Tuesday, December 30, 2008 @ 10:30:42 PM @25. I always thought she was British. Free stuff, relive the days on PSONE.

	Comment #28 by GremUK Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 03:26:07 AM @27 - Lara Croft is British, or atleast she is in the Film tie ins. Back to the point GraffitiBomber made...I do agree developers take advantage of 'younger' gamers by making Lara Croft look exactly what their fantasy girl would look like. However, they are a business out to make money and obviously the best way to make money is to make the most sales. If a 'hot' Lara Croft gets them the profits they desire, I say fair play. Thats my two cents anyway.

	Comment #29 by Bearded Bugs Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 04:31:34 AM Yeah she is British, in the films and the games. I understand the point that making the main character of a game a really hot woman (I feel strange saying that about a video game character) could fuel some people's insecurities about themselves... but it's a computer action/adventure game, not an exploration simulation, so I don't see why there should be any limit to what the developers can create. Besides, the official models they've had over the years to help promote the game have all been fairly similar to the virtual Lara Croft, in looks at least... and the latest one Alison Carroll is a professional gymnast.

	Comment #30 by omgyjya_switch7 Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 04:42:12 AM This is why MS don't give away free stuff. It just starts arguments. :p

	Comment #31 by Tarvu Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 05:23:24 AM What's wrong with the Horse Armour!?

	Comment #32 by The man Swe 90 Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 07:47:58 AM Nice it's free

	Comment #33 by MakoBallistic Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 08:03:15 AM Graffittibomber - i dont actually think that it was possible to find lara attractive on the ps1 as the graphics were so shite, and it was one of the biggest selling games on the PS1 because it offered an experience that hadnt been done in 3d yet so what kind of lame ass argument are you trying to win? if you really had any sense then youd complain about the girls in Dead or Alive because their attire is way skimpier and their boobs are ridiculously big and bouncy...

	Comment #34 by Minxy Kitteh Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 08:05:19 AM @#16 You offend me. If anything, Lara Croft's breasts have been toned right down in the more recent games, making her more realistic and less fake looking - i'm female and i know a lot of women who have that kind of figure naturally and healthily - so just because every american teen wants fake breasts, dont class every woman who has a good physique in the same category. Its not real, and its not meant to be. i mean for gods sake what kind of person has the upper arm strength that'd be needed for that kind of adventuring anyway :P lol

	Comment #35 by Slam Shot Sam Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 08:23:20 AM Got the full 1000 points weeks ago... so im not interested!

	Comment #36 by Zenquen Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 12:29:46 PM Why must women with large bosom's always be prejudiced and stereotyped against. So what if someone wants to get implants that is their choice, what they don't need is people pressuring them saying "zomg sweet that is hot" or "ewww you're a gross freak." It is always people complaining about women in videogames, or women's bosoms. Why don't people ever complain against how men in videogames have huge muscles, are made out to be great heros, how one man can take on a whole army by himself, how people in games can do greater physical feats than possible. People are just always hatin on women and boobs, while they try to come off as sensitive or richeous defenders of justice, really they are all just another type of a prejudice bigot.

	Comment #37 by xACESHIGH66x Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 01:24:12 PM hey, whatever floats the developers boat

	Comment #38 by NeotericDope Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 04:37:29 PM Ok this is in response to numerous posts. Mako makes a point, but that's been my point altogether this one was just about Lara Croft. Dead or Alive and Soul Calibur is all fake bullshit women with double D bolt ons and it's just old and tiresome. The only reason Lara's tits toned down was because the model toned down and good for that. No one can't deny that countries like the U.S. and UK and partially fueled by sexuality and fake advertisements that mock the realism of the countries peoples. It is somewhat real because of how people immerse themselves in the games. When a teenager see an image like that they get all hot and bothered and think that's an image of perfection.

	Comment #39 by NeotericDope Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 04:45:25 PM of a real man from a videogame (Half Life).

	Comment #40 by NeotericDope Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 04:45:25 PM Oh and Mako I remember when the first Lara Croft came out and one of the only reasons my friends wanted to by it was because of the rumor that you could see her naked in the shower at the end of the game. So screw the graphics buying it was a sexual imposition for the young teens who wanted it. And like I said before the developers do this on purpose because guys want to look at it. Need I make example of Games Radars sexy fan art portion of the site. Or how they advertise showing the women in their scantily clad attire. It's all in promotion of the game just like any corporation does to make you buy the game. I'm not hating on boobs I'm hating on fake boobs. I love me some boobs so don't get me wrong there. Yo I don't like seeing men like that either. Gordon Freeman is a perfect example a

	Comment #41 by NeotericDope Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 04:50:29 PM Look simply put and the only fucking point I was trying to make is WHY THE HELL CAN'T WE SEE MORE GIRLS LIKE FAITH AND ZOEY IN GAMES. Women that are actually more realistic than all this other crap. Bulk down the tits, make them more intelligent than just a giggling porcelain doll, just make it more real. I don't care if it's a picture of fantasy. Maybe fantasy needs to be more like reality.

	Comment #42 by ShinUkyo Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 06:48:58 PM You do make a good point, about how it would be nice to see more-realistic portrayals of women in games more often. But keep in mind, the men don't have it much better off. Most male heroes in games are extremely attractive, and often-times are muscular beyond realistic bounds. We don't often get to see male heroes that mimic real life, either. And when we do, it's a welcome change. Gaming is just another facet of the entertainment business. And in the bizz, they like to have beautiful and glamorous people in the lead roles. Same problem with many television shows and movies out there: style over substance. But in a way, it can also be good, because the ones that break the mold will stand out even moreso as being trailblazers.

	Comment #43 by NeotericDope Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 09:05:09 PM @#42: That's also the point I was trying to make with a character like Gordon Freeman. Besides him being an uber smart physicist and so far the savior the Half Life world he's basically a normal guy. So is Alyx Vance being a normal looking woman who's portrayed as a smart character. When it comes to female and male protagonists/antagonists they need to stop focusing on the outset of their bodies so much and delve deeper into the character aspect. See I don't like a woman like Alyx Vance because of her looks I like her because if you put her in a real life situation as she is based. She would be strong willed and have more of a natural swing.

	Comment #44 by NeotericDope Wednesday, December 31, 2008 @ 09:11:14 PM I guess overall it comes down to a matter of preference, but that matter of preference would've never come down if the modern American offenders (for the most part). Didn't slew nasty fake women like Pamela Anderson all over the place. Same with Carmen Electra as well and whoever else is the flavor of the month. I'm not sure, but as a society in the world advertisers are making our brains think plastic bodies or anorexic women are the things we need to like. I just don't think video games need to take that further. Maybe game designers can do something different. I know I would if I was a designer. But it's whatever comes out of the animator's mind. If he likes big fake breasted, half a brain women, and/or men that's what were going to get.

	Comment #45 by ROA5T BeeF Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 02:34:00 AM Actually I do not see Gordon Freeman to be a normal guy. He is basically a name. If you don't look at the box art you only know that he is a super smart science guy. He doesn't speak. Gordon Freeman is not the best example. In the context of the game, I think that Niko Bellic is a good example of a normal man. Other than the killing, he isn't uber-strong man or uber-ladies man, or even uber-smooth talking man. Just imo hes a better example than Gordon freeman since u basically have to look at the box art to say GF is a normal man in gaming. Also, to put my vote in, I buy Tomb Raider games cuz I really like platforming/puzzle games. And lets be honest here, playing a great game while looking at a nicely shaped female is not always a bad thing. (So u know, I played ME and I play

	Comment #46 by theelgringos Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 02:41:50 AM I like how worked up you people are getting. It's pretty hilarious if you ask me.

	Comment #47 by ROA5T BeeF Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 02:42:59 AM L4D all the time. Zoey is great and one of my all-time favorite games is Beyond Good and Evil. Jade is a great example of a normal woman. Just saying, good-looking doesn't always mean brainless. Jade is a good-looking videogame character and she is smart and likeable. And btw Lara Croft has more than shown her strength as a smart/strong woman.

	Comment #48 by newbsicle Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 10:27:44 AM This must be a mistake. Microsoft would never give us something free where money could be made. :p Nice to know my virtual currency won't be flushed down the toilet again.

	Comment #49 by MaRkY2894 Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 10:30:11 AM Free DLC? FTW!

	Comment #50 by unluckyaaron Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 10:57:44 AM Just as a general point here GraffitiBomber, the reason we don't (not that we can't) is that more sales are made on the games with 'pin-ups' as their main characters. This has already been said, so if you're half as intelligent as you seem you should have realised that it is all to do with money. And quite frankly i don't care who the main character is in a game as long as the game plays well and if there is a storyline its relatively interesting.

	Comment #51 by LeXuZ Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 02:38:36 PM Downloading as we speak ehr..type

	Comment #52 by NeotericDope Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 04:58:46 PM @#50: Look of course it's about money you have to be an idiot to not know it's about money so it's not a relevant point to pursue. We've gone over this already that sex sells in any department of society not just video games.

	Comment #53 by TheWarriorElite Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 05:04:28 PM i agree with #46

	Comment #54 by NeotericDope Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 05:08:59 PM @#45, 47 I agree with you on Niko Bellic as a somewhat normal character until the game kind of does its GTA thing. I only picked Gordon Freeman because of the way Valve portrays him. Yeh Jade is a good example I never played the game, but I saw some pictures of her. She didn't look like an out of this world woman. It's hard to find realistic men as well, what with all the Marcus Fenix's running around hopped up on HGH and experimental steroids. Yet I think Gears characters maybe a vision of a Cliff Bleszinski insecurity. It may be a vision of what him and some of his designers/artists wish they looked like. Same for the woman it's a woman that they possibly had. Among other motives possibly.

	Comment #55 by NeotericDope Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 05:22:50 PM One point I've been trying to make is that although you can say we don't buy games for what we see as the characters is so passe. Although it may not be on the outset of your mind when you see a game it is buried in your subconscious. Obviously as well it's more prevalent for some, but we're all molded in that direction to buy things that look tantalizing. Unless you were completely sheltered from all things this world possesses than no one can deny that we don't buy a game because the dude looks bad ass, or the chick is a pitch of perfection. Just like an insecure girl (more prevalent) or a boy sees a billboard of a photoshop altered model and they see that as what they want. We are all products of our environment. It's a sad thing, but all very true.

	Comment #56 by NeotericDope Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 05:29:16 PM Also I might add Lara Croft may not have been the best video game woman to harp on, but the subject of the main post kind of presented the opportunity. Yet it's the way Crystal portrayed her on the box. I mean people I know that go adventuring aren't dressed in tight booty shorts and a belly button tank that's so tight her boobs might spill out. That may have pushed me over to speak on this. Oh and to the kids saying it's quite erroneous that we're having a discussion. No one's getting worked up were just speaking on a topic. Well I hope no one is screaming at the screen over this.

	Comment #57 by cbssi Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 05:37:04 PM GraffitiBomber, you're digging a little too deeply into it. Obviously these specific outfits are not being put out for profit, or they wouldn't be free. I mean, they're just that; free gaming skins. The way you're complicating it, to me, is like trying to define nothing; "is the the absence of presence, or the presence of absence?" It could just go in circles. It's a pointless discussion; it is what it is. We don't need it defined further.

	Comment #58 by NeotericDope Thursday, January 01, 2009 @ 07:06:49 PM @#57 Dude that's why I said that this may not have been the best time to fire up this discussion. Yet now that it's been started we're just discussing it. Like I also said somewhere in there I did comment on the fact that Microsoft was letting something be released for free.

	Comment #59 by lid Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 12:49:13 AM I think you're taking this a little too seriously GraffitiBomber lol

	Comment #60 by cbssi Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 04:46:51 AM No, what I meant is something like this; good example: "@#20 She's not Independent. She's the product of woman who manipulates and let's herself get used. She's one of those women who is portrayed as strong and independent, but the fact is that it's a facade. You don't get to see her true self. A women full of insecurities just waiting to get her firewall burnt down." That was a reply made by you to someone saying that Lara was independent, and see? You're reading too far into it! If we don't get to see her "true self" (she's a video game character, by the way), then how can you even supply that she's full of insecurities? Is there some part to her that you see, but no one else does? How can you determine if she's "putting on a fa�ade?" You can't, because she's a video game char

	Comment #61 by cbssi Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 04:57:17 AM I didn't know we had a character limit, so let's try this again... That was a reply made by you to someone saying that Lara was independent, and see? You're reading too far into it! If we don't get to see her "true self" (she's a video game character, by the way), then how can you even supply that she's full of insecurities? Is there some part to her that you see, but no one else does? How can you determine if she's "putting on a facade?" You can't, because she's a video game character! She acts how the developers make her act, she says what they make her say. So far she's been displayed as an independent woman who never knows when to die (quote from Natla :)), and that's because that's how the developers portray her. She has no personal life, no "true self;" she's a video game

	Comment #62 by cbssi Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 04:58:47 AM She has no personal life, no "true self;" she's a video game character. The only thing close to a real life she gets is on screen in a video game, she has no true self. She is what the game portrays her as, and that is up to the player to interpret. The player makes the relations, and you've made your relation, but you're speaking it as law. That was my point; you have no real right to victimize the characters themselves. They have no real life, and just because she's been given big assets does not mean they only made her that way to promote the game; it just means that you're too invested in this.

	Comment #63 by cbssi Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 04:59:27 AM You'll have to assemble that yourself... :S Sorry, I didn't know we had a character limit.

	Comment #64 by NeotericDope Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 05:12:48 PM I haven't been victimizing her. Did you manage to read all the fucking things I said about the designer/artist? She is the facade of the mind of the fucking artist who created her. Look the point I was trying to make yet very few got it. Is that they should make more different types of characters. Not the same repeated copy and past chick. Same face, same boobs, same mentality. Get fucking creative. And to answer your question the characters are real in the sense that real people made them and those people who make them have to have some knowledge of what they want them to be. Their attitude/personality is some product of that person. Their image is something that the creator wants. Everything is a product of the creator even if he is supplied a template to what the Dev. wants. Just make s

	Comment #65 by NeotericDope Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 05:20:17 PM continued: some variation.

	Comment #66 by cbssi Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 09:04:11 PM Actually, I didn't read all of your comments, just the first few. I'm not one to read a long page of comments, really. I will if it's something on, for example, Wikipedia, where I'm the mediator of a debate. Then it's the responsible thing to do my research. I didn't think it mattered too much here, as this is a casual conversation.

	Comment #67 by cbssi Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 09:11:53 PM Look, though, it all comes down to semantics. I already made the point that the character is what the developers want the character to be, but it seems to me that you're insinuating that the one person alone creates these characters. It also seems like you're supplying that the developers always make the character a big-breasted slutty whore (forgive my lack of taste in that comment, but I want to be blunt). I don't see too many characters who look AND act like Lara Croft. Usually if the girl has large assets, she's a whiny, seductive character. Lara Croft is not whiny or seductive. Usually if the character has any tastefulness, she isn't as attractive. Lara Croft is as close to "attractive" as a video game character will ever get, but she's not seductive.

	Comment #68 by cbssi Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 09:12:16 PM It all comes down to opinions, though (this conversation). We both have points to make of our own opinions, but neither of them should or could be taken as fact. It's opinion if Lara does or does not look attractive; it's not known by us if the developers made her this way with purpose; it's not even actually known by us how the character was intended to come off. It's all opinion, none of it is fact.

	Comment #69 by NeotericDope Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 09:45:55 PM I understand what you're saying. I also wanted to point out that Lara Croft wasn't the only target. I spoke about the Soul Calibur chicks all fighting games for that matter, Any of the Devil May Cry games/Japanese games. I mean look at even Ashley from Resident Evil 4 I think that girl right there is one of the epitomes of game developers making an inane character. I also stated maybe Lara Croft wasn't the best target, but whoever made her still just had to put her in skimpy unrealistic clothes. It's the same difference when they cast Angelina Jolie to play her in the movie at the time Jolie was a coked up whored out women (excuse my french there). And how many ever artists it takes to create a character it's still a product of what they view as a women.

	Comment #70 by NeotericDope Friday, January 02, 2009 @ 09:51:03 PM woman (it shouldn't have been plural) It is opinion and preference and all that other stuff, but it would be a much fresher site to see a new breed of video game femme fatales. In essence Faith was a much needed woman in a video game because she wasn't over exaggerated in the least bit and she didn't need her sex to accomplish anything in the game. That's what I like to see. It just seems like games use female characters as sex idols and sex idols only. All video game characters should be treated somewhat equally. As in giving them their own parts that kick ass without her having to flaunt her assets to do the task assigned. It pertains to real life as well. Fuck sex sells though right. So it probably won't ever change.

	Comment #71 by Bearded Bugs Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 08:25:20 AM GraffitiBomber, do you like the way the female characters in Mass Effect were designed and cast?

	Comment #72 by NeotericDope Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 04:55:31 PM Why do you ask?

	Comment #73 by cbssi Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 10:02:20 PM If you want another character similar to Faith, go play Prince of Persia. Elika is an extremely rational, well thought-out character. She's extremely confident, and determined to do her task. She can accomplish anything the Prince can, and her role isn't ultimately exaggerated as a sex toy, but she seems rational, and you actually care about her at the end of the game.

	Comment #74 by NeotericDope Saturday, January 03, 2009 @ 10:38:25 PM Yeh I've played Prince of Persia. Elika is a great character. She actually means something to the story. I forgot about her. It's too bad that the game is boring, but if it weren't for Elika the Prince pretty much couldn't do anything. Thanks for the discussion to those who had it. I think we've pretty much exhausted it minus what Bugs wants to know about Mass Effect.

	Comment #75 by Bearded Bugs Sunday, January 04, 2009 @ 06:22:18 AM Well I thought you might've liked the main female characters in that as they're not overly sexy, seductive etc etc... and as the game is so deep in terms of interaction between characters it really makes you want to just talk to them and get to know them and about their past and history. Also, the human and humanoid men in it are normal looking too, they all just look like soldiers (which they are).

	Comment #76 by NeotericDope Sunday, January 04, 2009 @ 04:22:47 PM Yeh Mass Effect definitely did a good job on all the characters. The aliens and humans were quite well done. Yet Ashley William was a jealous bitch (no harm meant) everyone else wasn't over exaggerated. For the whole RPG experience on the console Mass Effect epitomized good character structure. I mean even Bethesda with Oblivion messed up the characters. I just like a good well balance of all characters, story, and game play.

	Comment #77 by cbssi Sunday, January 04, 2009 @ 04:31:23 PM Mass Effect was a very good game character-wise. The dialogue really pushed the character development to its limits, and it was very satisfying. Too bad that game was chock-full of bugs (at least my version). I found it funny also that the cover system was worth nothing in that game; it was easier to simply strafe in and out of cover.

	Comment #78 by Bearded Bugs Sunday, January 04, 2009 @ 06:26:40 PM Oohhh I love the cover system! Found it very very useful indeed! I would love a huge Tomb Raider RPG one day.

	Comment #79 by NeotericDope Sunday, January 04, 2009 @ 10:06:02 PM I agree with CB. i didn't use the cover system much either. It was much easier just to bob in and out using strafe. Or on the easier mode just charging straight forward and start blazing a hole with the shotgun. I didn't really have any bugs in mine. I guess some discs are just lemons like some cars when you take them off the lot. Well that probably goes for anything actually.

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