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|Comment #1 by MoistGoat |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 03:57:59 AM
|People just don't seem to like change even though it possibly is for the good! I personally was all for the always online feature. |
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|Comment #2 by Nismo42 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 03:59:12 AM
|It was never a good idea for some people. |
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|Comment #3 by MORTO hi |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:03:16 AM
|The problem with the 24 hr check-in is that they assumed that any internet connectivity issues would be on the consumer's end. In an event similar to that of Playstation Notwork '11, my console would literally be unable to do the one thing I bought it for: play games. |
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|Comment #4 by HoBBitzz |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:04:56 AM
|aye some people want to move forward but at the same tine stand still. Good job we didn't think like this years ago or we'd all still be using cassette tapes to load games |
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|Comment #5 by Hybridchld |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:08:55 AM
|I'm waiting for it to be revealed that most of the games will need the net connection anyway because they rely on the cloud processing. |
Then I'll laugh at all the people who thought they'd won some kind of victory with the reversal.
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|Comment #6 by Original |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:10:45 AM
|Didn't you NEED it to be online ALL the time though just so it can work? |
Some people don't play online... I know majority do! (Including I)
But as for sharing games, a limit of ten people is rediculous. Why would they feel the need to restrict the amount of times you can share a game? It would do a huge amount of damage to rental places.
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|Comment #7 by BowManHomie |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:12:51 AM
|RT:the patch briefly talked about this and brought up and an interesting point. The PS4 will have it so you can buy a game through your smartphone which will then wake up your playstation that has to be connected to the internet and proceed to download said game, although this is just a gimmick everyone will talk about like there mothers. So why is there all this fuss about XB1 being connected all time, if PS4 is not to all different. |
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|Comment #8 by naviit |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:13:41 AM
|"If I would have asked what they wanted. They would have said faster horses." - Henry Ford |
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|Comment #9 by smokevf |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:14:32 AM
|I always play online. But this was a bad idea. I like my disc based collection on my shelf, I like my metal game cases, I dont care how good it could be. I want to beable to have full control of the stuffI buy. So yeah this was a eextremely bad idea. |
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|Comment #10 by MabusScarab |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:19:27 AM
|What is so hard to understand here? You pay $500 for a video game console that becomes inoperable to function as a video game console if you have no online connection. I know most of the world has internet, but guess what, sometimes shit happens. I had an outage in my area due to weather and was without internet for 8 days. With an always online console, suddenly your $500 gaming machine is a plastic shell that you can do nothing with until you are back online. |
That's not being evil, or unreasonable, it's simply the expectation to have what you purchase work at all times under any circumstance. The inability to play games that you bought and own regardless if it's single player or not was the problem.
Why is this so "surprising" Penello?
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|Comment #11 by ZedChuva |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:19:53 AM
|"When the time is right, digital title sharing will return." |
Is it wrong of me to read in to that, "When enough people have an XB1, we will bring back always online and DRM, and there won't be a damn thing people can do about it."
I honestly think that, but really... eh, I don't have a big issue with it, providing it doesn't kill used sales, which is where I buy the majority of my games.
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|Comment #12 by Kroesis |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:19:55 AM
|They were surprised at people balking at restriction that were never there before?! I personally have no issues with going all digital but what have we seen from MS's digital GoD service... Games that are more expensive than shop bought disks which constantly takes me by surprise since you don't have to produce physical media, distribution to shops and consumers cannot re-sell. All MS did was announce a machine, slap on big DRM restrictions and didn't address the main fundamentals of digital media. |
People want progress, but they don't like to be dictated on how or when they can do something, especially when they didn't have it before.
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|Comment #13 by I JiMb0 I |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:20:15 AM
|This should have just been locked to an account NOT the xbox one. The xbox one should be able to create 2 types of account. An offline account that is able to play all games but required the disk to be in while playing but all (or most) of the online features are disabled. This would allow people with no internet access to use the console. |
The other type of account (online account) is able to lock games to the account using a unique code included in all games. This would enable DISK FREE play and enable all features like game sharing. Codes could also be "gifted" to other gametags enabling to sale of games or sharing with friends.
microsoft seriously fucked up and should have focused on the truly unique features this "always online" could have delivered
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|Comment #14 by Death shrimp X |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:23:08 AM
|This was a bad idea and it shows how out of touch MS are with their customers and thats why ill never buy an Xbox One they don't deserve it. |
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|Comment #15 by conel33 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:26:29 AM
|You should never be surprised with customer stupidity. |
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|Comment #16 by Grummy |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:30:47 AM
|They only have themselves to blame as they did a very poor job of explaining themselves, leaving people to talk up the negatives, not spending any time clarifying their position. Plus, the always online requirement was the one thing they announced that was actually genuinely shitty. The rest of it was awesome, but that was crap and it wasn't necessary, all they needed to do was make it so offline players could only play a game off the disc and it was fine. |
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|Comment #17 by CASCADEYOUTH |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:32:02 AM
|you took this straight from the rev3games video interview with him |
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|Comment #19 by crabbycrabcrab |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:39:18 AM
|blind microsoft. So blind |
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|Comment #20 by KingLouis51 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:39:43 AM
|The guy is comparing apples with oranges. |
If I had to constantly be connected to the internet for my PC to startup, or for my iOS device to function, then I would bitch about that too. I need to be connected to the internet to use many of the features of Steam, but I can still play all the games offline. I need to be connected to the internet to download new apps and utilise some of their features, but I can still use my iPhone/iPad/iPod anytime I want.
Microsoft's fuck up was making the console unusable without a constant internet connection, not the cool features of the online capabilities. Reversing that idea is the best decision they could have made.
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|Comment #21 by the action frampton |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:41:35 AM
|'Discussing the eventual death of disc-based games, Panello said that Microsoft believed “it was gonna happen sooner than the customer thought it was going to happen.”' |
Pretty sure it will only happen when the consumer lets it happen. Hence all the backlash. And the fact that it isn't happening this gen. The day physical games end, so will my days as a gamer.
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|Comment #22 by TSG Dwaggie |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:45:56 AM
|Microsoft, you said always online. You were going to stop people selling a product, that they have LEGALLY purchased, that is buy European Union Courts, their PROPERTY, to WHOEVER they wanted, at WHATEVER PRICE they wanted. |
That was against the law. That's why some people backlashed.
You allow people to sell a digital product for whatever price they want, TO WHOEVER they want, then sure, I'm in.
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|Comment #23 by Ark_Thompson |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:46:07 AM
|"We were looking at what Steam does"...Uh...Guys ? Correct me if I'm wrong but you can enjoy your games offline on Steam. Don't try to sound "cool" without knowing your subject -_- |
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|Comment #24 by pined5551 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:52:34 AM
|@23 - Scrolled down to make the exact same comment pretty much. |
Just to add, if they truly were looking at Steam because they were curious where people where moving to, surely they would have maybe noticed THE PRICES! Steam works because it clearly acknowlages that in order to work and be popular you have to give people a good deal. When I buy a game on Steam for a £5 or less I don't care that I can't re-sell it. GoD on Live is an absolute joke alongside steam!
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|Comment #25 by High Lord Sigma |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 04:58:08 AM
|I'm sorry, Mr. Panello, but I seem to be having trouble hearing you over all of the spin. You said something about taking inspiration from Steam, but what the One was offering lacked nearly all of the incentives Steam provides. Perhaps your company should have considered that before unveiling their plans. |
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|Comment #26 by Astrex |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 05:20:05 AM
|i didn't mind |
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|Comment #27 by OutlawedAngel |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 05:22:28 AM
|@7 The difference being that ps4 will play games with out internet connection - the original XB1 plans meant that no internet no playing games. |
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|Comment #28 by x_Silxx_x |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 05:31:45 AM
|This is what they should have done: |
1. Put the disc in the drive.
2. A message pops up saying "Would you like to add this game to your digital library?"
If Yes > Game becomes a digital 'DRM' copy, requiring you to connect to Xbox Live every ___ days to keep playing it.
If No > Game still works as current gen, not tied back by DRM or a 'call home' requirement.
Problem solved. Although it would probably take a little bit more work to set up.
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|Comment #29 by gazmaster1 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 05:41:36 AM
|Wow the ignorance with MS is still strong. Whilst I wasn't against always online I can easily see why people were against it. |
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|Comment #30 by DeificOnLive |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 05:45:39 AM
|I never had a huge problem having to always be online. The problem I had was with the fact that the stupid kinect had to be connected at all times. A. I don't want the kinect in the first place, (because it's stupid) B. The last thing I want from a company that is actively volunteering consumer data to "partners" and GOVERNMENTS is for them to have a microphone and camera mining even more data on me 24/7. It was always a privacy issue to me and Microsoft has more than proven the consumer cannot trust them with that sort of data. So yea, I guess it is a consumer rights issue for me as I believe we should all have our right to privacy. I do however think it would suck to not be able to game when the internet is down, the same way it sucked to not have TV when the internet was down when I had A&TT U-verse. I absolutely want to be able to game WITH or WITHOUT the internet in the PRIVACY of my home. |
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|Comment #33 by Stoko |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:06:12 AM
|It's pretty simple. If I don't want to use an online feature - if I just want to play a single player game - I shouldn't be barred from doing so if I don't have the internet. Obviously I do have the internet - but say it went down, say my connection is spotty and unreliable, say I lose my job and can't pay the bill, say whatever. That might be how Steam works, I don't know, I don't really use it. I do know that Steam is free to download/register for, and the games are often very cheap. XB1 costs what, £429.99, the games are at least £49.99. So they really expected that after shelling out at least £480, I'd be happy to stare at a paperweight if my internet went bye-bye? No. Just no. |
I also agree with the main article - people (both end users and gaming journalists) were extremely vocal about how bad an idea this was for a very long time before it was actually announced. That attitude didn't change at all with the announcement, except to say "oh god, it's actually true, those idiots". Unless they were living in a bubble, under a rock, at the back of a deep dark cave, I have no idea how they were "surprised" by that.
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|Comment #34 by Doctor Gordon |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:07:10 AM
|@10 "With an always online console, suddenly your $500 gaming machine is a plastic shell that you can do nothing with until you are back online." |
BUT YOU CAN STILL WATCH TV!!!!
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|Comment #35 by TheGreatKoala |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:21:56 AM
|I can see no justification to switch to a PS(And it's not something you can talk me into, so save your wall of text, Tl;dr responses) |
I have the luxury of only having to pay for 42.5% the retail price(family + work discount), so it will be worth just over 200 quid
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|Comment #36 by Navy Fenson |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:24:01 AM
|@ 30: But you don´t understand. Just because they are working together with the NSA and now want everyone to have a camera with a mic in their living room that doesn´t mean they are evil or put you under 24 hour surveillance, don´t be ridiculous. |
@ 31: It was over for me after "constant internet connection". I don´t exactly live outside in the woods but internet outages for several days aren´t uncommon and normally when this happens playing games is exactly what I am doing then. This whole always on thing may be the future but internet connectivity and speed should be moving forward first, otherwise they are just some fancy bricks for long periods of time. That the Boxes Live connectivity only works in like 20 countries should be enough to show that the world isn´t ready and current incentives of alway online sound more like setbacks and useless gimmicks. The 84 camera and constant connection to the power grid just are the icing on the cake. PS4 isn´t exactly perfect with it´s constant online hacking but they at least aren´t as delusional about the worlds state as Albert above.
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|Comment #37 by El Grave |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:24:17 AM
|How could they be surprised? |
In every forum/media online topic, like EVERYWHERE they were criticized by sooooo many people/journalists for it like a year ago when the first rumors surfaced. They can't have missed that. I don't believe MS is that stupid.
And them saying it surprised them is total BS. Everyone saw it coming even a year ago.
They where not surprised at all. But MS just thought they would get away with it without a backlash. And now they try to repair the damage by saying it surprised them... even an idiot knows that can't be true, unless MS lived under a rock for the last year.
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|Comment #39 by Kisushima |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:27:18 AM
|@23 Steam didn't have those sales until it had a user base substantial enough to support such sales. And Steam was also very unpopular to begin with. Know YOUR subject before making yourself look foolish. |
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|Comment #40 by Mister Spraggsy |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:31:04 AM
|I think Microsoft forgot one crucial thing. We all just want a gaming console. Extra features are great but essentially we just want a gaming console. People don't and shouldn't have to worry about connecting to the internet every 24 hours. |
Thats my opinion anyway im sure others have there own views and opinions.
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|Comment #41 by segagamer |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:35:00 AM
|People complaining about internet outages. You do realise that you could just tether the internet on your phone for a few minutes each day you want to play, right? |
It was an online check in every 24 hours that was required. Not a 24 hour connection.
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|Comment #42 by Devalaous |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:36:36 AM
|"Playstation Notwork '11" |
Oh my god, that is ingenious and had me in tears xD
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|Comment #43 by Agent Mantis |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 06:49:16 AM
|If M$ had pulled its head out of it's ass for one second they would of seen how their dictated "vision" of gaming's future was about to be received. |
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|Comment #45 by Spanish Assault |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 07:00:45 AM
|Making a $500 console unplayable offline is evil. |
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|Comment #46 by Pearson |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 07:29:19 AM
|Oh well, it never bothered me in the least and yes there are times that my internet goes down because the weather knocks out the electricity or a car crashes into a utility pole and my DSL goes down. However, if the electricity went out, the electric company had it back on within 48 hours and I'd just tether my 360 and PS3 to my tablet. The same thing with replacing the utility pole. Am I jumping ship? nope not at all, just like this gen, I'm getting both. Like with the 360 and PS3, the X1 for multi-plat and the PS4 for exclusives, but that seems to be a moot point since as of now MS has the better exclusives. Still getting both though. |
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|Comment #47 by SydLosttarot |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 07:37:09 AM
|I'm not the biggest fan of MS right now but even I don't feel like hating on the decisions they've made anymore. However, it's really hard to forget when each executive wants a shot at infamy by saying the stupidest shit he or she can. Mandatory connection and mandatory camera is not super swell. The fact that they were able to miraculously make the XB1 work without the Kinect connected just sealed for me how much they don't care until their bottom dollar is threatened. It was lying that screwed them. |
But they were coming back slowly from it. Until this revived bump. Glad I'm waiting a year this go around.
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|Comment #48 by kizwiz |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 07:44:13 AM
|It received a strong backlash even before the One's reveal and the DRM was just rumours - yet they still decided to go a long with it, up until the pre-order sales fucked them in the ass. There were just as many negatives than any positives. And how they reacted "if you dont want DRM,get a 360." Etc. Fuck Microsoft. |
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|Comment #49 by thenewpeter |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 07:44:55 AM
|Nothing is stopping microsoft from allowing what ever they had planned for it always having to connect. The connection limited you're fan base, and just gave you more control, it does little else that'd help gamers, other then letting some other system (the cloud) run the game, giving everything a sell by date eventually. This statement is just more ignorance on Microsoft's stand point, they've been told time and again why it was a bad idea, and they still can't see why after all of this? It's un-believeable. |
What microsoft wanted with the xbox one was total control, nothing less.
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|Comment #50 by iMrLeMoN |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 07:48:02 AM
|@38 I agree people should stop the petty "oh my console is better than yours " nonsense I like both Consoles, it's just ill be getting a PS4 first. Until they drop Kinect with Xbox One then ill probably pick it up. |
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|Comment #51 by MrT2 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 07:49:46 AM
|@41 Tethering is an extra charge on most contracts these days, and that's where it's not forbidden anyway (if you can get a signal). Not everyone bothers with a contract phone, or even a smartphone, and those dongles cost most than a Gold subscription to keep them active all year. Oh, and it's not uncommon for the internet to be down for a fortnight, e.g. when you've moved house, or changed providers of phone/adsl, or a tree brought down the lines and you're at the back end of their priority list for fixing it - there's a place about 20 miles from where I live that has had spotty phone line connections for 3 months, they still haven't figured out what's wrong. |
@23 @24 Spot on, as far as I'm aware you can leave Steam in offline mode for months without complaints.
Anyway, I'm not being fleeced into paying launch price for either console (apart from anything I'd rather spend that sort of money on a PC upgrade, and pick up a console when they hit £250-280), but the XBO is definitely a long way in second place on my shopping list, if at all.
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|Comment #52 by Xxnativesjc23xX |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 08:11:48 AM
|O boy here we go lol |
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|Comment #53 by Schism |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 08:12:51 AM
|People were upset because they didn't have the OPTION to be offline to play games. Not everyone has a good service provider because that is an additional cost. If a person doesn't pay to have internet then they simply could not play next gen games at all. Microsoft acted like having a connection is just given out to everyone with the best quality. |
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|Comment #54 by Ark_Thompson |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 08:14:16 AM
|@39 Glad to see you can't make the difference between my comment and the one under (though I give you the fact that we both have the same avatar). I never said anything about the price, just the offline. You do realize that now, you're the one looking foolish ? |
And to ansewer the guys who asked about switching from XBOX to PS, I'll tell you this. I'm a playstation guy. Loved the 1st, loved the second. But heck, for this generation XBOX 360 beats the PS3 hands down. There are so many better things about the 360 that I can't list them. However, with all the love I have for it, I'll buy a PS4. And since I'm the kind to own all console, I'll also buy a One, but in 3 or 4 years...
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|Comment #55 by Master Peezy |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 08:20:19 AM
|I dont deem their idea evil but moronic although technology is worldwide accidents and freaks of nature isn't removed from the world a person who can afford internet obviously can't afford this system but if my power is out because of a bad storm that ripped my powergrid to shreds I shouldn't be punished for something I can't contro they should came up with better security not lockdown of a console they never need to implement tha 24 timeline ever but I do like what they wanted to do to improve the gaming experience. |
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|Comment #56 by 41inuyasha |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 08:22:40 AM
|Microsoft keeps telling us that we are not ready? You are the ones not ready, you speak of a digital future, but if we step out of line, your enforcement team can take it all away in a press of a button. Ive seen a few friends lose thousands of dollars in purchases becuase they had a bad word in the motto. Thanks but no thanks, I will stick with the hard copy that you can try and pry from my cold dead fingers if you must. |
And a game console is a console in which the individual plays games! Its fine if you wanna turn it into an all in one. But when you get so caught up in changing a console to the point I cant play it without constant connection and so you can check up on us. Then its no longer a game console. I dont always have online. It rains and snows here like crazy, ive gone almost a week without internet or phone lines working. And playing my games gets me through it. With how much the games and console are gunna cost us, I better damn well get to play it whenever, wherever, and how ever long I feel like it, without any retrictions!
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|Comment #57 by MCMANRFC08 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 08:24:14 AM
|I don't get it. why would anyone want to play 360 games on the xbox one. |
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|Comment #58 by dinoRPG |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 08:28:57 AM
|@41 a 24 hrs check in for exactly what purpose ? If MS is trying to sell us the "power of the cloud" for always expanding worlds and try to tell me I just need to check in a single time with my Phone every day to use it (which by the way in my case, my phone DO NOT have internet), then that "Cloud power" is plain BS because with a single check with my console, the game will neither improve or allow me to join an always expanding world if I don't keep my connection live at every moment |
As I have said before, if MS wanted an all digital always online console, then they should have said so and stick with that plan, and the consumers would have had to decide if they want it too and buy and X1, or if they wanted the old system and buy PS4, but obviosly MS wanted a different thing if they reversed all of this stuff
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|Comment #59 by iBlaise |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 08:30:37 AM
|I love how people think that you need a good connection to connect to XBL. With a 24-hour check-in, all you need to do is connect to XBL, it doesn't matter how good or bad that connection happens to be. An example: when I first got my 360 at launch, I had possibly the worst online connection in the history of gamers, in matches, my character would always teleport around the map within seconds of joining. But you know what? I was still connected to XBL, so technically I had an online connection, which is exactly what was needed. |
I had no problem with the idea in the first place. To everyone talking about weather outages and the like, if your power goes out, how are you going to be able to do anything, let alone play a games console? (Unless you feel like shelling out a few G's for a generator.)
Some of you guys act like gaming is all you do with your lives. And it's not like Microsoft would've given up support on the 360 and left people in the dark, if you all keep your 360, then you have a backup option.
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|Comment #60 by DeadlySinz86 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 08:45:21 AM
|Wanna know why it was a bad idea to a lot of people? Because Don Mattrick is fucking god aweful at his job and presented it horrifically. |
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|Comment #61 by l.maciver |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 09:08:01 AM
|one example - sim city. |
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|Comment #62 by The Bum-Mobile |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 09:11:55 AM
|Don't make me laugh. The facts, as they slowly trickled down from Microsoft's main mouthpieces, showed exactly how their system would have worked. Just because they made it hard for people to understand doesn't mean they didn't understand. It's a shitty system and it is anti-consumer. It gives more power to the money-hungry publishers rather than the consumer. I thought they would just let this die because of how bad they fucked up, but if this guy wants to shine the spotlight on Microsoft's most recent and possibly biggest failure in the gaming arena, I'm all for slinging more shit. |
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|Comment #63 by ViVaGordito4evr |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 09:22:23 AM
|@#11 - I think you are right on the money. Microsoft have shown themselves to be completely untrustworthy and monopolistic. I think (like you said) as soon as they have enough of an installed base of XB1 owners they will go ahead and go back to this whole DRM/constant internet required because (again as you state before) us consumers will no longer be able to do anything about it. Way to go Microsoft. |
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|Comment #64 by Haters |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 09:36:48 AM
|You can't use steam without an internet connection so i didn't see a problem here. And it isn't a constant internet connection required it is once every 24 hours. |
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|Comment #65 by sleath123 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 09:45:27 AM
|If we didn't complain and allowed them to carry on we would be forced to buy digital games, once this happens they control the pricing as they have you cornered, sure digital sharing is a great idea but will never happen without always online to keep track of how many times you lend it out, digital sharing without drm checks will mean new games will end up like viral acheevs after 2 weeks, we need the discs to keep a little control of products because if shit went drm then I guarantee in 5 years time you will be still paying full price for launch titles, that and being able to re-sell games will stop them stinging you long term, don't be fooled |
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|Comment #66 by ronnie42 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 10:01:34 AM
|I don't see how always online can 'benefit' me or be 'good' to me in anyway. |
They could have added as many great 'features' as they wanted but it wouldn't have meant sod all if it was online only, if they had done this with the 360 then that would have your xbox basically a brick into 2016 when they slowly ditch their support. So that's how it would have been like with the Xbox 3 if they decided to pull this online only crap.
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|Comment #67 by Xbox1friend |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 10:01:37 AM
|XBox One with internet connection "POWERED ONLINE" |
XBox One without internet connection "POWERLESS OFFLINE"
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|Comment #68 by ViNyLek |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 10:07:29 AM
|I also liked the idea. Going back on all the policies actually made me not buy it right away, but that's how it works these days. Money rules everything and I bet angry customer outnumbered greatly the interested ones... |
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|Comment #69 by Launch |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 10:10:54 AM
|Unless Microsoft can guarantee me 100% uptime on my internet connection, I won't support anything of theirs that's "always online". |
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|Comment #70 by cc113 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 10:31:04 AM
|This was a good thing from the begining till they took it away. people was going by word of mouth instead of going to check it out for themselves.I hope they bring it back. |
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|Comment #71 by Katarn |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 10:33:24 AM
|Yeah, i am at job corps. its a school were we don't have internet connections in are room. And there are a lot of people besides me who don't have internet access, |
Also i prefer having a hard copy of my games. I am not a fan of digital games, but i do like DLC. They can bring back the family plan that was a good idea.
But i need to be able to play offline and with a disc game that i can get cheaply at a used game store
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|Comment #72 by Yourburntstar |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 10:45:36 AM
|I just want November 22nd to be here already. |
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|Comment #73 by Daniel55645 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 10:55:18 AM
|I hope to God discs never go away. I NEVER want digital only content. i want a physical disc with me that i can take whereever. I having my 50+ 360 games sitting on my bookshelf as a collection. I wanna do the same thing for every console i own. |
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|Comment #74 by SP1R17US S4NC71 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 11:06:13 AM
|I am always online because I like to add achievement points on a daily basis, so that why I like it being always on, but when I had to check in everyday or I couldn't play my xbox was the issue with me. Sometimes I can't afford internet connection and have to play offline, or maybe I want to play somewhere in my house where my ethernet cable doesn't reach. But I really wish Microsoft wasn't so open with what the Microsoft was about. I've never been a Sony fan, but I'm glad they didn't tell people what the Microsoft was ridiculed for... |
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|Comment #75 by BurntToast |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 11:17:22 AM
|Microsoft, I do NOT care if you put disc games to death.. I do care if you keep your current pricing structure and do it. Take a look and learn something from Steam on how they run their sales and pricing. |
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|Comment #76 by creaper210 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 11:18:32 AM
|If he was "surprised" with the backlash, then he is an idiot. |
I HATE digital only. I buy every game I can in a physical form. I want to be able to own my games and do with them as I please. And I don't want to be forced online to use what I own.
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|Comment #77 by TheQuiff |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 11:48:54 AM
|#5 has a valid point which I fear will come to pass. |
@10 Perfect response to the article, as the thumbs-ups should prove.
@11 Yes, that quote gave me a nasty chill when I first read it.
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|Comment #78 by Akinokaze |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 11:56:35 AM
|Sounds like they still don't understand the issue, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE ONLINE TO PLAY SINGLE-PLAYER CONTENT YOU OWN. |
It's as simple as that, the 24-hour checkin system is unacceptable even if you have a good connection cause sometimes things go wrong. When the net is down I don't wanna be told I can't play my games.
That's before you even consider the simple fact that most people still don't have internet access [let alone a good enough broadband connection,] in their house [or even country] and of those who do not everyone can connect their console to it.
I don't even understand why they would even consider such a system as being a good thing when it excludes a ridiculously high percentage of their current potential market. They should be doing what they can to -increase- their market, not cut off entire towns/cities/counties/countries from it.
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|Comment #79 by Tai_MT |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 12:16:00 PM
|The only reason anything should have been "surprising" to Microsoft when it comes to the backlash the Xbox One had was how utterly incompetent they were. |
Anyone who has ever played video games as a hobby or lived in a middle-income household could've pointed out all the errors to them BEFORE they ever made them (that is, if we'd been asked or consulted at all... And once this junk was released, we did tell them they were errors and why). But, they decided that they didn't give a crap about selling to EVERYONE. No, it's much more profitable to split sales between those who have internet and those who don't. It's also more profitable to limit indie games on the console and enforce drastic DRM policies that just seem to result in massive amounts of piracy on the computer as a console. It's much more profitable to attract a ton of negative PR for your console and then appoint stuck up elitists to handle the PR for you and tell the customers that THEY are the stupid ones and that THEY are the problem, instead of the company or the people in charge.
Seriously, who is running the Xbox division over there at Microsoft? If these morons can get hired, surely I've got an excellent chance!
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|Comment #80 by Smokinawa |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 12:17:17 PM
|@ 10 I couldn't have said it better myself. |
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|Comment #81 by HoldenTacos |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 12:43:17 PM
|So if they just said the 24 hr check in was only required to enable digital sharing instead of bricking your Xbone they wouldn't have anywhere near the backlash. |
And this gosh "people thought we were doing something evil" is their attempt to spin the reaction to "fans didn't understand" instead of "we weren't listening to them".
You don't need to be Karnac to predict that fans aren't going to appreciate any feature that could potentially render their console inoperable.
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|Comment #82 by StinkyPete2021 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 01:06:26 PM
|Steam has an offline-mode, and you are not required to be connected to the internet to play games. |
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|Comment #83 by PANIC ATTACK 10 |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 01:52:08 PM
|well i for one am sick of being lied too by MS alot. i am not supporting a company that doesnt listen to the gamers. MS lost at E3 and are now trying to repair the damage. than watch they will change their minds and force changes like the dashboard blades and all the ads. where you cant see your themes. |
sony is doing everything right and MS isnt. if fact ebgames on xb1 pre orders is only around 53. while ps4 is around 350 pre orders per store. interesting numbers for a city of 3 million. i just dont trust MS anymore. they built a faulty system and lied about the rrod too. took them years before they came clean. yet sony admits being hacked and gave away TONS of free stuff. something MS would never do. MS has been hacked alot too. before the fanboys thumb me down. i have earned my right on this stahce. i have been with xbl since day one. i earned my say.
what MS needs to do is go back to the original. stop doing the EA thing and screwing over your customers
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|Comment #84 by FYC Punker |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 01:54:34 PM
|Still waiting for them to realize nobody wants to use kinect. |
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|Comment #86 by CASCADEYOUTH |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 03:43:02 PM
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|Comment #87 by Oversig |
Friday, September 06, 2013 @ 07:09:07 PM
|Surprised about everything they tried & no-one liked I'm sure! |
And yes I think they will flip-flop again in the near future.
Trust is something they no-longer have! Only a child & or FanBoy would think otherwise!
"I think the problem was that people got in their minds that what we were trying to do was somehow evil or anti-customer." Hmmm,
IT WAS & I'M NOT GOING TO FORGET IT ANYTIME SOON!!!
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|Comment #89 by 4thyondaime |
Saturday, September 07, 2013 @ 01:19:28 PM
|Regardless of whether or not they did a 180 on their policy what you all are failing to grasp is microsoft & sony simply want to do away with the "used game" market because GameStop inc are a lot of modern day pirates and both Sony and Microsoft have completely left it up to the game publishers and developers to opt in or opt out of the used game market now with that being said what that means is don't be surprised when you go to gamestop in the following years to come and try to trade in a game and the employee looks at you and says sorry we can't except that game because gamestop can be sued for the illegal sale of "their" product which I have no problem with and waiting for because I personally don't buy used games never have never will I like and enjoy all my pre-order bonuses and the last time I checked buying a game used doesn't get you anything special oh and check out Forbes.com under GameStop you'll see the article |
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|Comment #90 by Oversig |
Saturday, September 07, 2013 @ 02:27:46 PM
|No! What your failing to grasp", Is everyone saw/grasped just fine what Micro$oft was trying to do at E3 & "everyone" HATED IT! It was going to stop everyone from trading games with each other! And that is BS. |
Once you buy the game it is your property to do with what ever you want.
Micro$ofts greed was in plain view for all to see & that's what set people off!
Sony stopped M$/DRM dead in it's tracks by not going along with it.
You should have the right to buy a used game from a friend or whomever if you choose to. You should also be able to play online under a shared account if you want to. Kinect was going to allow a way to stop this from continuing. Micro$oft has put a lot of time & money in making this reality
With Kinect. That's why I'm sure it will come back in a future update.
From that possibility alone I will never buy an XBONE!
There has to be GOOD reason they refuse to sell the XBONE WITHOUT THE KINECT! & IT IS MORE$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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|Comment #91 by sgtleehead |
Saturday, September 07, 2013 @ 06:10:01 PM
|Whats an Anagram of Panello - wanker. |
Whats an Anamgram of Xbox one - Wii U.
Whats an Anagram of Microfsoft - Dickheads.
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|Comment #92 by sgtleehead |
Saturday, September 07, 2013 @ 06:27:47 PM
|Sorry - laughing so much I forgot the grammar. Its so funny - I've seen this over the years in companies I've worked in - They get it so wrong but just wont admit to doing so. All because the bloke at the top is an idiot and the corporate clowns just follow suit in order to kiss ass and keep their position. |
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|Comment #93 by nupasa27 |
Saturday, September 07, 2013 @ 06:50:31 PM
|as Marvin replied I didn't know that a single mom can make $4482 in a few weeks on the internet. did you read this web page http://www.mac22.com |
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|Comment #94 by Dauntedink |
Saturday, September 07, 2013 @ 10:55:41 PM
|@91 couldn't be more true |
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|Comment #95 by DampCobra |
Sunday, September 08, 2013 @ 11:26:49 AM
|Personally I have always bought my games second hand as I cant afford to keep up with online trends. Why would I buy something for £45 when its worth £15-£20 a week later. buying preowned reduces the amount I lose. |
I would like to see something like ultraviolet being available on games.Where if you buy a new copy then you et a digital copy as well. Its reviving DVD and Blu ray sales. This would encourage people to buy new, and those who buy preowed have to keep the disc.
With the capabilities of both PS4 & XboxOne we would see a revival in disc based and a transistion into console digital games.
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|Comment #96 by StayonTarget |
Sunday, September 08, 2013 @ 12:56:07 PM
|If you don't have an Internet connection then you don't need a $500 piece of gaming technology. |
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|Comment #97 by Donnymite |
Monday, September 09, 2013 @ 02:24:40 PM
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|Comment #98 by Donnymite |
Monday, September 09, 2013 @ 02:27:29 PM
|Still bullshit where you would get suspended for not playing. |
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|Comment #99 by daposa24 |
Tuesday, September 10, 2013 @ 07:37:47 PM
|Tristan. I agree that Francisco`s stori is surprising, on monday I got a new Saab 99 Turbo since getting a cheque for $9386 this past 5 weeks and more than ten-grand lass month. it's definitly the most financialy rewarding Ive ever had. I actually started 10-months ago and pretty much immediately startad making over $85 per-hr. I work through this website, http://www.mac22.com |