Forum Posts: 105 | Comment #1 by hotdogenigma Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:40:51 AM | |
| I'm certainly not saddened by this news. |
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Forum Posts: 206 | Comment #2 by Harrison Drake Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:43:16 AM | |
Hopefully the servers stay open a little longer... can't leave it as 985/1000.
Would've liked to have seen the trilogy completed. Sad day, even if @1 doesn't agree. |
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Forum Posts: 933 | Comment #3 by Lord Montymort Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:43:33 AM | |
| Wonder what happens to anyone who actually bough it from GoD, do they lose access to the game, or are they still able to play it? |
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Forum Posts: 556 | Comment #4 by ModernSith2010 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:43:53 AM | |
| What a petty thing for a company to do, Epic should be ashamed kicking another company while their on the ground anyway. The compensation should have been satisfactory, but had to be petty. |
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Forum Posts: 6 | Comment #5 by MyNameIsWill Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:44:16 AM | |
| My life is over |
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Forum Posts: 32 | Comment #6 by Zmoke Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:46:06 AM | |
| I guess, the game was too human for the Marketplace to handle. YYYEEEAAAAHHH |
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Forum Posts: 24 | Comment #7 by DahakaJR Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:46:40 AM | |
I actually had a good time with this game. Too bad, would have liked to see more.
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Forum Posts: 933 | Comment #8 by Lord Montymort Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:46:47 AM | |
| @4 Well what do you expect from a company who is completely ignoring there fanbase and making a game they know they won't like, just to try and sell out to the CoD fanboys (if you can't tell i'm talking about Gears Judgement). |
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Forum Posts: 777 | Comment #9 by Cla55y Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:47:27 AM | |
| Stuff like this is why digital is a bad way to go. Physical copies will always exist. |
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Forum Posts: 31 | Comment #10 by roce96 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:48:01 AM | |
| I enjoyed Too Human, sad we'll never see a follow-up. |
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Forum Posts: 9 | Comment #11 by Disasterpiece83 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:49:13 AM | |
| @4 I think it probably has more to do with the result of that trifle of a lawsuit they just spent that last few years slapping eachother about over rather than any malice or pettyness on the part of Epic. To be fair if Silicon Knights had been better at what they did they wouldn't have ended up in such a position of weakness in the first place. Good riddance to them I say, everything they made that I played sucked anyway! |
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Forum Posts: 15 | Comment #12 by alex3manu Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:50:31 AM | |
| That explains why I was struggling to find dirt cheap copies of X Men: Destiny! |
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Forum Posts: 777 | Comment #13 by Cla55y Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:50:50 AM | |
| @4 Silicon tried to sue Epic in the first place. Then Epic turned around and sued them right back. Pretty funny actually. |
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Forum Posts: 2085 | Comment #14 by pined5551 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:52:04 AM | |
| Further lowers my opinion of Epic. Take the damages and let the game sell on with split profits between the developer and game engine owner. Simple. why do people have to fuck things up with over complication. I say this as a solicitor also! |
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Forum Posts: 9 | Comment #15 by Disasterpiece83 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:53:13 AM | |
| @8 Oh here we go with that whole self-indulgent "wot terr fans want!" bullcrap again. As a fan of the Gears franchise and someone who's rather looking forward to Judgement, kindly tell me what it is that I want and why I won't like the new Gears! |
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Forum Posts: 73 | Comment #16 by evilresidentuk Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:55:25 AM | |
| lucky me i finished this in december, quite enjoyed it tho after i got the hang of it, and no rush for xmen as there no MP or co op based achievements, for too human the only cheev you need someone else for is 'teamwork takedown' which takes 5 minutes so if people want to get that in case of server shutdown nows the time ! |
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Forum Posts: 2521 | Comment #17 by jamie1000013 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:56:38 AM | |
Wow I'm surprised Silicon Knights had $4.45 million to give to be honest. I thought most of there games bombed when it came to sales. I did enjoy that Xmen game though.
So did Silicon Basically use their engine without asking? |
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Forum Posts: 586 | Comment #18 by incinerator950 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:00:24 PM | |
| Basically, yes, Silicon Knights was in the wrong. |
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Forum Posts: 181 | Comment #19 by Lothra Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:02:24 PM | |
Too Human was a fun game, but i could never feel sorry for SK, they are no better than your common street thief's and they got what they deserved.
Karma is indeed a bitch. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #20 by Dodgyknees Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:03:03 PM | |
| @17 read the link and find out for yourself. |
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Forum Posts: 933 | Comment #21 by Lord Montymort Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:03:53 PM | |
| @15 Really? You're happy for No Locust, No DBNO, Only 4 Multiplayer modes (FFA, TDM, Domination, Overrun), No single elimination game-types, complete focus on Rifles, No Horde or Beast. I'm guessing you aren't someone who played Gears 1 exclusively for 2 years like I was, the reason Gears was so great is because it wasn't CoD, it was the complete opposite, but now Epic are just interested in making a quick cash-in title and are removing everything that made Gears unique in the first place to do so because it was too "hard" for casual players. If you really where a fan you wouldn't be happy with this. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #22 by Dodgyknees Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:04:24 PM | |
@4 life ain't that easy, sunshine.
@8 I play gears. Nothing else. I'm looking forward to judgement. Therefore, shut up.
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Forum Posts: 222 | Comment #23 by Snowed Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:06:07 PM | |
@17
No, they asked. They breached the contract (I don't know how) and then used the engine anyway. So they had lost the right to use it after Epic gave it to them.
As for Silicon Knights actually having 4.45M, they definitely didn't and Epic won't receive more than a couple hundred thousand for their troubles. They won't be able to pierce the corporate veil up to Microsoft. |
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Forum Posts: 26 | Comment #24 by rng cougar Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:10:30 PM | |
@4 Epic may be greedy and a bunch of assholes but it is very much still silicon knights fault for making bad games and trying to blame it on epic. silicon knights made either bad games or flawed games. too human had a great story with the whole sci-fi future re-imagining of norse mythology but controls and camera angles etc. made the game flawed.
the thing that really saddens me is not silicon knights going out, its just the fact that we wont get a sequel to a game that needed one so badly. had they not blamed their failings on epic and just made a polished game and had that game been too human 2, they most likely could've survived. |
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Forum Posts: 9 | Comment #25 by Disasterpiece83 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:21:04 PM | |
| @21 We obviously like Gears for different reasons then and I honestly couldn't give a toss about multiplayer so no I didn't limit myself to playing one game exclusively for two years that's not my bag! |
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Forum Posts: 218 | Comment #26 by Cinderkin Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:21:54 PM | |
I just recently bought a NEW copy of Too Human just to grab it before it was gone. Now I need to at least get my achievements done. I'm pretty sure I got all of the online related achievements for this game though. But I am playing co op right now trying to trade ruins and charms and shit.
The game wasn't horrible. |
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Forum Posts: 108 | Comment #27 by Slayinfool Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:25:38 PM | |
| Hahaha |
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Forum Posts: 833 | Comment #28 by demonizer_andy Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:26:33 PM | |
| i really enjoyed this game, it is one of the most enjoyable games iv actually played in a long time and i played it long after 1000GS and had one of every character maxed out, i see why people didnt like it but its all down to preference, i just hope it gets picked up again on next gen and they give it a 2nd go |
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Forum Posts: 933 | Comment #29 by Lord Montymort Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:42:42 PM | |
| @25 Oh hey, if we are talking Campaign, then I apologize. I think the campaign will still be amazing, It looks it anyway. Yeah I'm speaking on a purely multiplayer stand-point, I love the Gears games because of there unique approach to online, but this new game has gotten rid of the majority of the reasons I enjoyed it so much. I'll still probably play it for the Campaign at some point, but they way they are handling multiplayer, and this becomes especially clear if you visit there forums often, seems to be "make it as casual as possible", which is disappointing. |
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Forum Posts: 69 | Comment #30 by Megis Eldurin Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 12:46:15 PM | |
This is I will always prefer physical game discs over downloads, a single licensing dispute and the digital version is all gone.
At least they can't barge in to your home and take the disc.
Well, not yet, anyway. |
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Forum Posts: 228 | Comment #31 by I X I Shock I Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 01:04:22 PM | |
@28
Ditto about the picking up part. I really enjoyed Too Human, even with its flaws. So hopefully another company picks it up and manages to not completely destroy it. |
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Forum Posts: 47 | Comment #32 by Masakari Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 01:18:28 PM | |
Loved Too Human as well, shame we're never gonna see 2 and 3.
Strange how we're in 2013 and the whole "TH is garbage" bs hype train is still chugging along. |
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Forum Posts: 5853 | Comment #33 by Opiate42 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 01:44:02 PM | |
| Too Human as a trilogy was never going to happen. And not because of Epic. That SK's CEO was a destructive force to his own company is more than well documented. He has no one to blame for the failure of SK than himself. |
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Forum Posts: 13 | Comment #34 by pablodrugsmule Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 01:45:41 PM | |
| this is wierd was recently thinking of playing through again, didnt know the lawsuit was still going on. Like others i really enjoyed the game and spent a lot of time on it, shame we wont see 2nd too human but i expected not too a long time ago. |
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Forum Posts: 9 | Comment #35 by Disasterpiece83 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 01:54:25 PM | |
@29 Hey bro, no worries I was being a facetious ass if I'm honest! I get where you're coming from on the multiplayer front though, there is that tendency for some developers to try the whole mass appeal ting. At the very least give it a go though you might love it after all, if not Gears 3 ain't going anywhere soon! And if you need a co-op buddy after release hit me up dude!
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Forum Posts: 55 | Comment #36 by drkltus2 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 01:55:17 PM | |
| Good.......game sucked ass anyways |
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Forum Posts: 2084 | Comment #37 by mjc0961 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 01:59:12 PM | |
And nothing of value was lost this day.
@2: It's not a sad day even if you disagree.
@4: Silicon Knights sued Epic first you numpty. |
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Forum Posts: 12 | Comment #38 by CornishMessiah Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 02:00:40 PM | |
| Is it me or does this seem really petty of epic games? |
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Forum Posts: 21 | Comment #39 by BIG TRIGG Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 02:01:32 PM | |
Yeah that game was a hooptie
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Forum Posts: 2084 | Comment #40 by mjc0961 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 02:01:46 PM | |
| @32: Strange how we're in 2013 and the whole "TH isn't garbage" bs hype train is still chugging along. The game sucked balls, which is why Silicon Knights is done for instead of raking in the cash from the franchise. |
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Forum Posts: 47 | Comment #41 by Masakari Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 02:08:07 PM | |
| @40 No it didn't. And I bet you didn't even play it. |
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Forum Posts: 9500 | Comment #42 by Carmona25 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 02:13:00 PM | |
| Now I have to play it. |
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Forum Posts: 1094 | Comment #43 by CyberPunch83 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 02:29:10 PM | |
| This isn't good. And possibly one of the last signs of life we'll ever see from Silicon Knights. I suppose as long as the servers are still online (I have some friends that still religiously play Too Human), then it's no major harm done yet. |
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Forum Posts: 1021 | Comment #44 by FatalDeathSG45 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 02:29:26 PM | |
| Given how poor the reception for this game is, I'm not surprised. I thought it was okay, but I've played much better. I'll tell you this though: when a company forces you to destroy all copies of your games, you know they've tanked. |
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Forum Posts: 107 | Comment #45 by DEFCON 1 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 02:44:35 PM | |
| all dyack had to do was pull his head out of his ass. i guess good bye legacy of kain? |
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Forum Posts: 49 | Comment #46 by munchmagic 86 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 02:54:03 PM | |
@29 and @35 Did I just see a civilized debate on the internet! My mind is blown
OT I just started playing Too Human the other day and yeah once you get past the horrible camera it is quite an enjoyable game, hopefully the trilogy gets completed at some point in the future |
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Forum Posts: 165 | Comment #47 by Radioactive Microbe Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 03:38:04 PM | |
| Bought a new copy of the game just to leave in the closet unopened in case it pulls a "stadium events" and becomes super valuable. Ehh, you never know.Stadium events was given bad reviews and look how much people are willing to spend on that. |
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Forum Posts: 18 | Comment #48 by scott.m Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 03:44:55 PM | |
Silicon Knights paid Epic to use their Unreal Engine, but were given an unfinished or broken code of the engine ( or something like that). In the end after trying to get a proper/better version of the engine which Epic was using themselves for one of the Gears games, they refused, so SK decided to create their own engine from scrath, which ended up being a flawed system. Hence the " flawed" games. Yet I really enjoyed X-Men Destiny. In the emd SK sued Epic for breaching their agreement, then Epic countersued for some bullshit reason. I think for using an "unofficial copy" of Epic's registered & copyrighted engine.
Lost alot of respect for Epoc. Now I can't find Too Human. Which I do want to play. |
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Forum Posts: 70 | Comment #49 by Devalaous Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 03:59:25 PM | |
| At least the product page is still there, Two Worlds and Sonic 06 were scrubbed, DLC and all. Gives weird errors when you put those in your tray |
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Forum Posts: 240 | Comment #50 by Lord Dirt Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 04:30:01 PM | |
| Why are so many people against Epic here? If someone wrongfully sued you wouldn't you counter sue? Everyone would and the ones that say no are lying! |
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Forum Posts: 21 | Comment #51 by XBlyndSDragonX Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 04:33:10 PM | |
| ah it is so sad that once again greed steps in a ruins something. Time to give them bandaids for their scrapped knees. |
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Forum Posts: 240 | Comment #52 by Lord Dirt Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 04:40:22 PM | |
| SK should have made a better games and not filed a bad lawsuit against Epic. They brought it upon themselves. |
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Forum Posts: 849 | Comment #53 by my_box_72 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 04:50:22 PM | |
| Meh |
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Forum Posts: 376 | Comment #54 by BosmaniaK Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 04:57:47 PM | |
| *gulf of suicides over entire world* |
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Forum Posts: 6244 | Comment #55 by Nevander Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 05:06:50 PM | |
| What is with these random game pulls? Why can't the kids go fight in the backyard and leave the toys inside? |
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Forum Posts: 856 | Comment #56 by Tai_MT Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 05:26:02 PM | |
Did I just read a whole bunch of junk about Gears of War in this articles' comments? Man, that acid trip was worse than I thought! In any case, the Gears thing is why I'm commenting since I've never played any of the games that are getting pulled, nor have I ever heard of this game company.
I actually prefer the focus on Rifles in the new Gears. No offense, but putting all that cover in a map just to make it obsoltely with the shotguns... Kind of goddamn stupid from a design standpoint. Also, the shotguns are so overrused that it might as well have been ONLY shotguns and no other weapons exist in the game.
Rifles in Gears of War tend to destroy all the retarded noobs who just want their "insta-gib" with the Shotgun at point-blank range where Host Advantage rules. This does not make a fun game. The addition of the Retro Lancer in Gears 3 was one of the best moves Epic made in the franchise. In all honesty, the only kills I get with it are AGAINST shotgunners! And since all the smart players change weapons despending on circumstance (like any decently designed multiplayer ENFORCES), all that cover doesn't go to waste! In fact, I find myself using it more in 3 than I did in the first two games combined.
Anyway, that's my two cents on Gears of War.
It's too bad about Too Human, though admittedly it didn't look interesting to me so I never bought it. I just wondered why a game that still had achievements that were recorded and everything would ever be taken off of XBLA. Seems silly to me. Shouldn't they reset the achievements for that game as well? Shouldn't they also offer refunds for the games players bought? Just saying, man... If all copies are to be destroyed, seems like it'd be done that way. |
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Forum Posts: 61 | Comment #57 by sabazius Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 05:50:28 PM | |
@56 I agree with you about the gears shotgun setup, turned me totally off the mp.
OT: Seems a shame the legal battle had to come to this, but inevitable I guess |
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Forum Posts: 3 | Comment #58 by RyanJinjer Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 06:28:58 PM | |
| Bought the game for 5 bucks, played it for as many minutes. |
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Forum Posts: 50 | Comment #59 by RazielXaphan Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 06:50:21 PM | |
Too Human had one thing that many other online co-op games did not, a friendly atmosphere, maybe it was because the game was so small in player-base, but I jumped online to play a few levels and reach max to start grinding for the Elite armor suit, I hop on with another player and as we are playing he gives me the elite armor suit, all 7 pieces. Instead of yelling or anything he shows me that he has better and that if I want to pay him back, when I find better to give them to another player. I did not like many things with Too Human, the long respawn cutscene that you can not skip for one. No good control of the camera, etc... But I will always remember the players who are some of the nicest people in the world and were always having a good time.
tldr: Too Human, for all of it's flaws had a fun experience. Which if that is not why you are playing video games for, then why bother? |
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Forum Posts: 37 | Comment #60 by thenewpeter Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 06:52:18 PM | |
Shame to see any developer go down, but I've not really liked the game's they've put out in the end either way, I tried too human and just didn't enjoy it, might try it out again at some point, but I'm in no rush, it'll still be there on pre-owned shelves.
I'm curious if games on demand will stop access to players who bought it from the store, I'd like to hear if that's the case or not, because that would be a major breach of you're customer rights if it was.
To the points of GoWJ, the new game is mostly just a cash-in, the multiplayer's been butchered, but the focus on rifles like in 3 is better, hated rolling around all of the time, with it instead being more tactical now. But to much has been removed from this new game :/ |
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Forum Posts: 743 | Comment #61 by l.maciver Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 06:57:58 PM | |
| another one bites the dust from the looks of it. RIP SK |
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Forum Posts: 1 | Comment #62 by howler77 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 07:33:53 PM | |
| it's a damn shame. despite it's flaws, i enjoyed too human and i'm keeping my copy. |
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Forum Posts: 267 | Comment #63 by macd Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 07:47:54 PM | |
Xmen Destiny was actually quite fun I thought.
Also, is there a chance that MS will have to stop us being able to play the games? Like a patch that prevents the game from being played? I suppose it would need to be a system update as a game patch you can delete. I doubt it, but I wonder. |
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Forum Posts: 4 | Comment #64 by RoboSeal1 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 07:51:20 PM | |
| Now that Epic got some extra money can i suggest Title Update 5 for Gears 3 lol |
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Forum Posts: 614 | Comment #65 by II Mortis II Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 08:21:03 PM | |
| A real shame about this, Silicon Knights were great. I'm happy I got my fair share of hours in on both Too Human and X-Men: Destiny. |
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Forum Posts: 126 | Comment #66 by Earth Djinn Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 08:59:47 PM | |
I found a new copy of X-Men destiny online a couple months ago when this all started. Seeing that these games will likely soon be impossible to buy made me want to own them.
Now I want to find a copy of Too Human for my collection, but I only buy new so it might be hard to track it down. |
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Forum Posts: 55 | Comment #67 by drkltus2 Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 10:51:18 PM | |
| GAME SUCKED |
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Forum Posts: 2 | Comment #68 by WorknAtTheCrwsh Friday, January 18, 2013 @ 11:32:51 PM | |
| I guess they weren't so EPIC since they got sued first. CSI SILICON KNIGHTS! YYYEEEAAAAHHH! |
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Forum Posts: 2082 | Comment #69 by StillTIPPIN187 Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 12:45:28 AM | |
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Nothing changes for GoD owners.. Its still on the servers.. Its just been blocked from public view.. anyone who owns the game already or has a code for the game that they haven't redeemed.. can redownload/redeem as normal as long as they use the account that originally purchased it..
This only effects future potential custumers who have yet to purchase the game |
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Forum Posts: 118 | Comment #70 by Racxie Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 02:55:48 AM | |
| All of its related content? As in, there was DLC? I hope not! Or at least I hope it wasn't anything important such as expansions. |
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Forum Posts: 44 | Comment #71 by Riskbreaker XYZ Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 03:34:40 AM | |
@48 The way I heard it, Epic designed the engine which SK paid to use. SK then said "No, we made our own engine, give us back our money" which turned out to be THE SAME ENGINE with a change here and there. Epic saw this and got mad.
IF this is what actually happened, then Epic were in the right.
My own experience with Too Human is a weird one which I still cant explain to this day. I easily beat the game in a day, then went on co-op with a buddy. The enemies were ridiculously insanely hard, and we were both surprised by it. I figured it was HIS difficulty level, so i went completely offline to single player to train. Even on the easiest difficulty, I couldn't get past the second stage. I could never comfortably play it again. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #72 by Gonin Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 04:24:26 AM | |
| everything changes but you, we're a 1000 miles apart and you know I love you. |
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Forum Posts: 4 | Comment #73 by Alchemist Don Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 05:11:06 AM | |
| This is one of the reason going all digital is wrong. |
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Forum Posts: 99 | Comment #74 by Pyro Stick Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 07:44:07 AM | |
| guess ill try get a copy off of ebay before they try and come out and stop people from even selling them second hand. |
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Forum Posts: 10 | Comment #75 by DeathPunch289 Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 09:25:43 AM | |
| It was a heavy blow to take when I found out that they weren't going to continue with the trilogy. I personally loved Too Human, and I plan on keeping my copy. |
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Forum Posts: 463 | Comment #76 by francisrossi Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 09:46:06 AM | |
| Crap game, but ordering the destruction of every remaining copy is too much. The lawsuit was a messy situation, with Epic hardly coming out as blameless in the matter. |
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Forum Posts: 2982 | Comment #77 by DecadentBeaver Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 09:55:38 AM | |
| Shame it has come to this. I loved Too Human, and was looking forward to a sequel. Looks like it will never happen now. Im just glad I managed to get the 1000g on it in case of server closure. |
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Forum Posts: 10 | Comment #78 by jonboy1977 Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 10:15:22 AM | |
So many things are unknown about this IMO.
Did Epic give companies an engine that was not 100% while using a better one for themselves.
Dis SK try to get the money back and say they used a one they built themselves when they just retweaked Epics.
If do then both comapnies are dicks and are just as bad as each other. Fair enough Epic won the compensation , but surely as a games company they should not be pushing for games to be destroyed. Thast a low move.
BTW, Too Human is a fantastic game once you give it a chance.
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Forum Posts: 185 | Comment #79 by DragonessAthena Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 10:15:56 AM | |
@45 Dyack lost the rights to Legacy of Kain a long, long time ago. He got in a fight with Crystal Dynamics while Silicon Knights were working on Blood Omen 2 and CD was working on Soul Reaver. Dyack said screw it and gave Crystal Dynamics the series and just ran off.
No, Legacy of Kain is dead because Square Enix owns Crystal Dynamics now and would rather release bad games like Hitman and Tomb Raider instead of Legacy of Kain. |
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Forum Posts: 9 | Comment #80 by Disasterpiece83 Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 12:31:16 PM | |
| @46 I know bro, I nearly passed out when Lord Montymort got civilized and presented a reasoned argument with an apology for prior misdeeds. I was expecting threats to kill my parents and fuck my sister so mucho props to him for keeping his shit clean! May the spirit of internet pleasantries commence... though I am not holding my breath! |
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Forum Posts: 2073 | Comment #81 by jules the great Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 01:03:28 PM | |
| Big whoop, this game wasnt that great in the first place. |
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Forum Posts: 244 | Comment #82 by unreal3 Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 01:18:55 PM | |
| epic even lost me as a fan and a customer after gow3 sucked and was a piece of shit just like gow2 was but after this since it was bout in 2008 when this shit started you can kinda see thats why the gears games sucked after the first one so judgement is out from me and it has been since it was announced |
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Forum Posts: 115 | Comment #83 by Spartanic Ghost Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 01:47:03 PM | |
Wow. Lot of people seem to either be ignorant of the facts or ignoring them. Epic gave them a flawed, incomplete, out-of-date version of the unreal engine 3. If YOU were a game developer and you just paid out the ass for a top--of-the-line state-of-the-art gaming engine to use for your new game, which has been in production hell for over a decade and has fans beating down the doors to see any kind of progress, you would CERTAINLY be at least furious to discover that you have been sold an out-of-date product with frustrating user interface.
They made they're own engine from scratch because they were so troubled with it all, and despite what people will tell you, they made a damn good game considering what they had to work with. I think they had more than enough reason to sue Epic games for all the trouble they put them through. SK was waiting for months on a response about their complaints about the engine when they were making the game, and Epic's 'support' team was about as helpful as XBL support if you call about a hacked account. That is to say, they will blame YOU.
So when people say things like 'SK was in the wrong' and 'They're games sucked anyways,' you're being extremely ignorant. SK got fucked over by good old American capitalism, still gave it their best to put out a state of the art game using what they could manage, and still made DECENT sales off of the game, despite the game not running on the best possible engine it could have. To say their games suck is idiotic, you go ahead and try and made a Triple A title using nothing but a FrankenEngine and the best creativity you can manage. See how well that game pans out for you. If it makes more than Too Human, then you can go ahead and flap your gums about Too Human being a bad game. |
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Forum Posts: 169 | Comment #84 by Restricted-Access Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 03:40:14 PM | |
Is it a sequel to "Too Human" that's being done ONLY on the Nintendo Wii, or is it another title I'm confusing it with?
I'm ACTUALLY considering getting a Wii... but NOT for all the new "Wii" games. I visited Nintendo's web site the other day, and I didn't realize how many original Arcade games they have for download on the Wii (besides the obvious ones, like Donkey Kong & Mario Bros.)! They even have the arcade-version of "Burgertime" (the original, not that thing we have on XBLA). I have a couple of old console versions of Burgertime, but they aren't nearly as good as the original arcade.
Having a Wii for a few exclusive titles (excluding their typical kid-oriented bread & butter) wouldn't be a bad thing! I just wish the Wii was HD, not that 480P-res business. |
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Forum Posts: 237 | Comment #85 by R0Y4LEwitCHEESE Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 04:16:56 PM | |
| And nothing of value was lost. |
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Forum Posts: 55 | Comment #86 by drkltus2 Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 09:41:36 PM | |
| @83 THE GAME SUCKED |
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Forum Posts: 60 | Comment #87 by Neophoenix78 Saturday, January 19, 2013 @ 10:30:03 PM | |
| @83 Care to explain the typo's in the engine that Epic sold to Silicon Knights that were magically in the same area of the code that Silicon Knights "built" themselves? |
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Forum Posts: 25 | Comment #88 by Dragon14785 Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 06:59:56 AM | |
A few things that need to be corrected about the comments posted here:
1) The engine that Silicon Knights used was proved to be a proper version of Unreal. There was nothing wrong with it.
2) The Judge was the one that ordered all of SK's Unreal powered games to be retrieved, not Epic!
3) GoW: Judgement is completely developed by People Can Fly. Epic is just the publisher. |
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Forum Posts: 25 | Comment #89 by Dragon14785 Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 07:03:28 AM | |
| 4) SK bought a copy of Unreal for use with Too Human and nothing else. SK decided to copy the engine and claim it as their own. |
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Forum Posts: 1722 | Comment #90 by cheevo360 Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 07:19:18 AM | |
| I hope SK bring better game onto next Xbox, PS4, Wii U and PC. |
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Forum Posts: 1722 | Comment #91 by cheevo360 Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 07:23:49 AM | |
| Hey Dragon14785 #88. GoW: Judgement is developers by People Can Fly with help of Epic Games and Microsoft Studios is publisher. :) |
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Forum Posts: 463 | Comment #92 by francisrossi Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 10:10:12 AM | |
| @84 - That's Bayonetta. |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #93 by shadowspawn12 Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 11:49:22 AM | |
shame i loved this game got it on day one and still have it now it is so under
rated for what it is. it's a shame we will never see too human 2 |
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Forum Posts: 200 | Comment #94 by Fried Cola Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 12:51:53 PM | |
@#83
http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/north-carolina/ncedce/5:2007cv00275/89570/862/0.pdf?ts=1352377322 if you parse thorugh the legalese, Silicon Knights wasn't able to prove their case against Epic Games, and that game engine Silicon Knights "built from scratch" was revealed to contain substantial instances of modified Unreal Engine 3 code. Dennis Dyack himself has even said in an interview that's what SKE is. Instead of settling out of court, they appealed the judgement, the review reaffirmed their guilt, the damages basically doubled due to lawyer fees, and they put themselves at the mercy of the court's judgement. The court basically deemed silicon knights engine counterfiet. Counterfiet goods get destroyed.
So no! You're wrong. But don't let those evil things like facts, capitalism, or murka get in the way of your raving idiocy. You might as well attack Canada while you're at it because they stopped giving Silicon Knights welfare checks at one point.
I don't get any of the apologist sentiment in this matter. Too Human was awful. X-Men Destiny was awful. Even if you like them, its hard to argue either game was "good". Quit blaming Epic Games for Silicon Knights drowning in a puddle of its own pee, blame the delusional idiot who ran Silicon Knights into the ground. |
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Forum Posts: 200 | Comment #95 by Fried Cola Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 01:21:36 PM | |
I should also point out Silicon Knights made it easy for Epic games to sue them simply because of X-men Destiny.
Silicon Knights paid to use Unreal Engine 3 in Too Human. They didn't pay to use Unreal Engine 3 in X-men Destiny. Their argument was Silicon Knights Engine was their own proprietary property (capitalistic terms!) which was used in X-men Destiny.
After examining the source code and comparing it to Unreal Engine 3, it was clear someone didn't do a good job deleting all the "copyright Epic Games" coding. It made the case Silicon Knights didn't just steal UE3, but were using it without permission. I know! I know! "wah, fucking americans! capitalistic bastards! u so racist"
How this relates to Too Human is that Too Human uses an earlier build of Silicon Knights Engine. Dennis Dyack himself has even said he had to hack UE3 to get it to do what he wanted for Too Human in interviews and that it became the basis of his company's game engine. |
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Forum Posts: 41 | Comment #96 by Walter B Willis Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 02:05:57 PM | |
| @94 & 95 this may be true in the pay to use the UR3 on X-Men destiny and while I don't agree with everything that 83 said, I do agree with his statement on paying to use an engine, only to find out it's flawed and incomplete is a shit move by Epic, although 83 said SK did not "build their engine from scratch" they took part of the unreal code and called it their own, they could have avoided this if they had just built thier own engine, look what Remedy did with Alan Wake, they got halfway through the development process and realized the engine wasn't adequate enough for mainly the fog effects and started over only to release a gem. While I loved Too Human, I would have to agree with you it is a very flawed game, and considering the amount of money that SK dumped into it and the overall development time, and hype the built around it, it ultimately fell well short of the expectations they led the public to believe were in hand. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it all comes down to both sides partook in some shady and immoral dealings and SK lost because they answered a bad move by Epic (while not illegal) with a bad move by themselves (illegal) so yes I sympathize with SK and am bummed that I don't get to see what else they have in store for Too Human, they've been making this bed for alomost a decade now, and the bell is ringing for them. |
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Forum Posts: 3 | Comment #97 by Misfit X7 Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 03:40:21 PM | |
haha dennis dyack is a tool...always has been...the only good games they ever made were on gamecube. deal with it...too human could have not sucked...if it was a remotely complete game in the first place. if anyone wants to defend them, go ahead, but know that too Human was in development for the N64! how does a game that takes almost 10 years to make suck so bad?!
thumbs up to everyone who sees through Mr. Dyack's bullshit, that douche has a god complex and now it's the base for his downfall.
i'm just mad i'll never see a legit Eternal Darkness sequel. |
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Forum Posts: 3 | Comment #98 by Misfit X7 Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 03:46:57 PM | |
@90...sorry to say that this pretty much means Sillicon Knights won't be releasing SHIT....EVER...AGAIN. they have NO money....Dennis Dyack took the biggest risk you can in this industry and got caught...they(as a company) don't even likely have the cash to pay Epic for the lawsuit...your only hope is that SK sells their IP rights and whomever buys them, develops it instead of eradicates it, which isn't likely, because SK has a terrible track record.
Like i said above...the only loss here, is no ED sequel. |
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Forum Posts: 200 | Comment #99 by Fried Cola Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 05:33:40 PM | |
@96: No. Read up on the whole matter and you'll find out Silicon Knights bought a license to use Unreal Engine 3 before it even existed. They also entered into a contract limiting them to using Unreal Engine 3 only. Supposedly this was in fact part of the terms of their contract.
Silicon Knights put themselves completely at the mercy of Epic Games. You'd think proving breach of contract would be easy if Epic really did screw them and everyone else using UE3 over at the time. Reading the court documents even, it sounds like Silicon Knights hired Lionel Hutz to be their lawyer.
Their demise has less to do with morality than it does with making awfully dumb and disasterous decisions. |
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Forum Posts: 273 | Comment #100 by TheGoldenReaper Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 06:54:17 PM | |
| @9 You do know people will still be able to play it if they bought it via Games on Demand, right? It just means people will no longer be able to purchase it. It's like Yu-Gi-Oh 5Ds on XBLA. People can still play it online and redownload it from their download history, but the game can no longer be purchased. |
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Forum Posts: 273 | Comment #101 by TheGoldenReaper Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 07:00:00 PM | |
| Oops, nvm. I guess I know what you mean even though a digital copy can always be transferred, but whatever. |
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Forum Posts: 41 | Comment #102 by Walter B Willis Sunday, January 20, 2013 @ 11:08:28 PM | |
| @99 No? I stated my opinion on the matter that Epic pulled a shit move, I never said it was Epics fault, I totally agree that SK boned themselves with piss poor management and even shittier arguments and counterclaims during the trial, that doesn't I don't feel like Epic didn't pull a crap move as well, in which case like I said it's a matter of opinion, and until I see a copy of the actual contract SK signed I stand by my opinion, I didn't see anything about the exclusivity clause in the link you posted that would have cuffed SK into only using the UR3 Engine, however it would be nice to see the timeline Epic presented during it's closing arguments. I just feel this way because it's similar to Devs releasing incomplete games, it pisses us off as gamers, but there's nothing we can do about it, not illegal, but definetally frustrating and shitty at times depending on the bugs that need to be fixed, like the freezing bug in Borderlands 2, if I had preordered the game and been hit by it I would have been absolutely livid and felt cheated by 2K and Gearbox. |
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Forum Posts: 289 | Comment #103 by Ultrapro Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 04:10:28 AM | |
| I loved this game, glad I 1000/1000'd it, God I wish they did a sequel it was such a class game and its controls were a real breath of fresh air. So what does that mean do they have to recall all copies sold? Fuck that they can try and take it from me if they like lol |
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Forum Posts: 7 | Comment #104 by Manx Lynx Monday, January 21, 2013 @ 05:24:28 PM | |
Too human was ok. It wasnt worth the wait though. Would of liked 2 of seen too human 2 just to see the improvements. Never mind :(
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Forum Posts: 4 | Comment #105 by MissingZombie Wednesday, January 23, 2013 @ 12:35:30 AM | |
| Glad I managed to track down a copy at my local Blockbuster. Stuff like this happening just reminds me why I like to buy a boxed game instead of downloading. |
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Forum Posts: 122 | Comment #106 by Ashes in Fall Wednesday, January 23, 2013 @ 04:48:06 AM | |
| Too Human was a good game especially considering its troubled development cycle. There really isn't anything like it. Not to mention the combat which was centered on the right stick was slick and fluid. Would have loved to see this turn into the great franchise it could have been. |
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Forum Posts: 25 | Comment #107 by Dragon14785 Thursday, January 24, 2013 @ 02:41:50 PM | |
| @91 My bad, dude. Thanks for the clarification. |
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