Forum Posts: 641 | Comment #1 by Cowraffe Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:47:39 AM | |
"Someone doesn't like what I made? Time to cut and run."
Apparently these guys don't understand constructive criticism. |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #2 by RDrules Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:49:56 AM | |
| thats the nature of the business they got themselves into at the end of the day, they built an amazing fanbase for the games they released and when something goes wrong those fans are going to call them on it |
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Forum Posts: 205 | Comment #3 by Quantum Binman Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:50:39 AM | |
>Apparently these guys don't understand constructive criticism.
A lot of it went well past constructive... |
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Forum Posts: 3 | Comment #4 by Slamthejam11 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:50:46 AM | |
| It's a shame, but working in an industry, especially the video game industry, you have to be able to take criticism. |
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Forum Posts: 80 | Comment #5 by Calib4n Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:50:55 AM | |
"I had him pegged as an EA lifer. My thought was the Ray agenda was to first usurp Frank Gibeau and then later John Riccotello as CEO."
There you have it, folks. Cause and effect. You can't be a corporate drone if you want your games to have heart and soul.
Goodbye, and thank you for the fish ! |
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Forum Posts: 190 | Comment #6 by ash356 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:51:07 AM | |
'Mass Effect 3 launched last year'
It's been a year since Mass Effect 3 launched? You sure about that? :S |
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Forum Posts: 92 | Comment #7 by CHICHO Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:51:28 AM | |
| This is why I thought the whole "ME3 debacle' was stupid. These people worked so hard to give you guys this great game and you just shit all over Bioware because you didn't like the ending. Sometimes you're not gonna like the ending to some of your favorite shows, movies, etc. but I never have seen petitions for those. Sometimes I don't wanna be a part of the gaming community because of assholes like the petitioners. |
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Forum Posts: 933 | Comment #8 by Lord Montymort Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:51:59 AM | |
| There was outrage at TOR? I know that some people where unhappy about it not been KotOR 3, and that there was complaints about some bugs at the beginning, but other than that it seemed to be a pretty well received game, and as someone who's been a day one player of it, I think it's great and well worth the price. |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #9 by Freekshow Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:53:00 AM | |
That sucks. I can still say im one of the few who actually liked the ending to ME3.
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Forum Posts: 776 | Comment #10 by XxStuartxX 1990 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:53:19 AM | |
| They should know the internet is never happy. |
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Forum Posts: 1518 | Comment #11 by MASS DOMINATION Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:53:26 AM | |
| It's hard to blame their decision. they were stuck between EA and the internet. These guys just want to create great games. EA creates games for money and it was clear with ME3 that Ray Greg found it hard to do that. Especially with the whole internet trashing their biggest game yet that they put over 2 years of energy and love into. |
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Forum Posts: 92 | Comment #12 by CHICHO Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:53:28 AM | |
| And for you people who say it was constructive criticism or whatever, no, that was just plain talking crap through and through. |
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Forum Posts: 153 | Comment #13 by BadAssNipples Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:53:51 AM | |
| Thing is, a lot of that criticism was not constructive, and just hateful. The truth is bioware really does work hard on their games, and fans have built high expectations because of the quality we've gotten before and I think most do not realize the kind of stress that puts on a developer. Not that I was blown away by the ME3 ending or anything, but I thought the reaction was over-the-top. |
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Forum Posts: 1722 | Comment #14 by cheevo360 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:55:00 AM | |
Retired because of fans fed up with their franchises? Kind of pointless. They should understand why fans not happy with ME 2 and 3 for more action and less RPG. I love Mass Effect series (I don't mind if gameplay changes but I respect fans for reasons) also BioWare didn't bring Knights of the Old Republic III for long time (miss this Star Wars series and they awesome and way better then ME and DA series).
So why can't those guys just accept their reasons.
I wish BioWare bring Knights of the Old Republic III after new DA III game next year. Then BioWare can force on new ME or new IP after Knights of the Old Republic III. This is my dream would comes true. :P |
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Forum Posts: 1518 | Comment #15 by MASS DOMINATION Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:56:53 AM | |
| @#1 the whole ME3 ending debacle was anything but constructive. IT was flat out trashing and hating and Greg and Ray took a lot of it. |
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Forum Posts: 56 | Comment #16 by Unalive3 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:59:38 AM | |
| @7 IMO Regardless of how many people worked on a project the game deserved criticism about the ending. And YES there are petitions and online ramblings about other movies (like Blade Runner) and shows (like Battlestar Galactica). People complain and petition for everything. Bioware was cool enough to sit down and rework the ending. |
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Forum Posts: 181 | Comment #17 by alf hockeyfan Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:01:22 PM | |
| i haven`t played ME3 but if you write a story based game and the fans love it....tough! its your story! you don`t see a author changing a novel because they don`t like the ending! |
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Forum Posts: 231 | Comment #18 by Infomouse Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:03:31 PM | |
They had months to respond to the fan outcry's with Mass Effect 3! We waited for weeks before anyone would even get acknowledgment that people didn't like it. Moderators were locking down constructive-criticism threads on the BSN because they were deemed "spoilerific" in the campaign discussion thread.
The petitions didn't start until we were fed up with their PR spins, and major gaming media started to attack fans for "not understanding BioWare's artistic vision". BioWare did this to themselves, and deserve whatever fate falls into their fucking lap.
Hold the Line. |
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Forum Posts: 89 | Comment #19 by strawberry Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:03:33 PM | |
| I doubt it. Bioware fans have always been very constructive with their criticism and expected nothing but perfection. This is a bunch of BS. |
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Forum Posts: 5571 | Comment #20 by Callum x360a Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:03:42 PM | |
| Fans wouldn't have been angry, if BioWare had put more time, effort, and thought into the ending. They only have themselves to blame. |
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Forum Posts: 2084 | Comment #21 by mjc0961 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:04:09 PM | |
Okay, that's hardly fair. A lot of people were pissed mostly because of promises made by Casey Hudson about what the ending would be. Promises that weren't delivered. Maybe instead of retiring, they should have fired Hudson or something. His fault the Mass Effect 3 ending reaction was so horrible. He promised endings that were unique to each player's choices instead of endings A, B, and C like other games do. And then we finally get to play the game and what happens at the end? Exactly the OPPOSITE of what was promised to all Mass Effect 3 fans by Hudson. Would so many of us have been pissed off about options A, B, and C for an ending if we weren't SPECIFICALLY FUCKING TOLD we were not going to get that? I'm just sorry that the backlash crushed the wrong person's spirit. If that fuckwit Hudson had been unable to deal and left, I would say good riddance. Really wish it hadn't been Greg Zeschuck. It's not his fault that Casey Hudson is a liar and a cunt and he shouldn't be the one to suffer over the fan backlash.
As for the whole EA/Ray thing, have I said fuck EA enough lately? Rhetorical question, you can NEVER say fuck EA enough. Fuck EA fuck EA fuck EA FUCK EA!!!
So yeah, pretty much hate EA and Casey Hudson even more now.
@7: That's because those other things you mentioned don't have some jackass promising that the ending will NOT be this one specific thing that would really suck and then turning around and giving us an ending that is EXACTLY what he promised would NOT happen.
@8: If you read the article it says that EA saw the game as a failure, not the fans. |
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Forum Posts: 199 | Comment #22 by ViNyLek Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:05:28 PM | |
| Holy shit, this is the moment where I say "I told you so"! Though admittedly, I was joking when I said all of your whining bitches did it LOL |
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Forum Posts: 590 | Comment #23 by reaper527 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:05:42 PM | |
| when you overhype and underdeliver, you get fan backlash. it was bound to happen once ea became involved. |
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Forum Posts: 6 | Comment #24 by hir0 sempai Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:07:00 PM | |
| online pass and multiplayer...the hate is what you get for selling your greedy a** to €A... |
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Forum Posts: 146 | Comment #25 by Ephidel Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:09:30 PM | |
Mass Effect 3 launched in March, Lee. -_______-
I thought Bioware totally redeemed themselves with the EC DLC and the "elaborations" in the EC DLC were exactly what I thought they would be. Also, in my opinion, it was Dr Ray's "gravitas" that managed to get the free MP DLC released without EA or MS forcing a price tag on it.
Overall, it's a sign of the corporate nature of the industry taking precedence over creative freedoms and innovation. With the loss of Ray Muzyka, we lose a person who fought capably against the dire corporate influence of titans like EA, to ensure a fairer and more creative industry, and in turn, we lose yet more of our ability to question and overturn the innumerable "bad decisions" made by the money-hungry upper management.
I can only hope that this doesn't kill the spirit of the truly inspirational games development that Ray, Tim Schafer and many others have fought passionately for, for so many years.
My best regards to Dr Ray in whatever endeavours he goes on to pursue. |
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Forum Posts: 641 | Comment #26 by Cowraffe Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:12:43 PM | |
| They hyped this shit up constantly saying things like, "All your decisions will come full circle at the end and fitting of a finale the ending would be." The game was made by people half asleep. Look at the Rachni mission. Yes it wasn't constructive criticism, but they earned every bit of it. |
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Forum Posts: 84 | Comment #27 by PluralAces Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:15:31 PM | |
should not have let EA buy them out, should have stayed independent and kept Mass Effect an XBOX exclusive
of course there were other reasons, but the fan backlash for ME3 was because this trilogy eventually became an EA product and not a Bioware product. Bioware's imprint in the game seemed to fade with each installment.The ending was a result of people not familiar with the series, and not understanding the core players needs, such as closure, continued character development, etc... |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #28 by cc00590 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:17:03 PM | |
| wow I have been a fan of Bioware since SWKOR in the Xbox days. But come on people are upset when they invest $180+ in a series and speak their mind with the ending you gave us and you cut and run what cowards. |
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Forum Posts: 541 | Comment #29 by Samigi Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:18:46 PM | |
| I was happy with Mass Effect 3, there was nothing I found bad about it. |
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Forum Posts: 3 | Comment #30 by wbpridgen Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:19:58 PM | |
The loyal fan in me feels regretful, but as a professional designer this is such a let down to see a creative person break. When you're passionate about a business you always run the risk of being personally crushed by poor reception and failure. I'd like to assume they're actually leaving from a feeling of shame that they allowed non-passionate sources to influence and compromise their vision. The ME3 ending had no quality continuity with the rest of the series. Knights wasn't as thought out or unique of a product to bring customers over. Gluttonous corporations will always excel at seduction, it's up to the consumer and fan base to communicate and support our favorite creative groups to maintain integrity with their vision. Compelling products produce revenue and loyalty. Template Business models and formulas only produces short term yields.
It breaks my heart to have been involved in the downfall of a beloved brand, but I stand by the belief that consumers should hold all forms of business accountable for their actions. If that means breaking their passion to send a message to future brands, so be it. |
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Forum Posts: 202 | Comment #31 by Sanchezz4387 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:20:32 PM | |
Make better games, stop lettin publishers forc ou into making shitty decisions which piss fans of I.e day 1 dlc, don't fickin promise things in our games then don't keep them I.e mass effect 3 with our decision matters bull shit
Fucking cry babies good riddance to them, the arrogance is astounding, fans don't like our work so we will quit and blame them! What the fuck ever no sympathy from me.
You make great games like baulders gate, KOTOR, ME1+2 and dragon age yet churn out half assed cash ins like mass effect 3 and DA 2 and You expect us to be happy bunnies and not criticize you? Get the fuck out of your bubble an come back to earth. |
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Forum Posts: 7 | Comment #32 by spike2055 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:25:24 PM | |
| Boo Hoo. |
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Forum Posts: 281 | Comment #33 by ronnie42 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:27:21 PM | |
| Well don't know about mass effect 3 personally but I was pissed when they annouced tor instead of kotor 3. |
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Forum Posts: 55 | Comment #34 by psycotic wookie Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:36:02 PM | |
i was quite happy and understood the ending of me3,i was more annoyed at the direction me2 took,,im disappointed they have decided to retire,if there is to be another sequel to mass effect they will have no influence on its story at all, and it will probably end up another ea cod clone
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #35 by stianpuz Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:37:49 PM | |
| @1 constructive critisism my ass, sure maybe from some, but for the most part no. I fully understand them getting fed up and leaving. |
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Forum Posts: 34 | Comment #36 by Ameno Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:39:11 PM | |
| I'm quite sure this has more to do with Star Wars TOR not being able to catch up to WoW. I don't think the heavy cretinism with ME3 ending had much to do with it. |
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Forum Posts: 4388 | Comment #37 by DOOKH8R Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:42:27 PM | |
| Then make KOTOR 3 or a better DA. |
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Forum Posts: 30 | Comment #38 by Launch Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:43:56 PM | |
| I suppose it's easier to quit than make an effort. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #40 by Nihlus87 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:51:56 PM | |
| Things went downhill after they got with greedy EA. Fans saw this and were rightly angered, but as 3 said a lot of it was just really childish trolling rather than mature criticism. You STILL see it on facebook e.t.c, "people still play this crap?" and anyone who dares to still like the games are "Biodrones" These particular trolls really need to grow up. |
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Forum Posts: 39 | Comment #41 by Rodeo Legend Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:52:07 PM | |
| I support them leaving if this is all true. We dorks are among the most critical bunch out there. |
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Forum Posts: 190 | Comment #42 by ash356 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 12:52:34 PM | |
@39
You must be so proud of yourself. |
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Forum Posts: 257 | Comment #45 by Katarn84 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:01:18 PM | |
I liked ME3 original endings AND the new ones. TOR was a fail in making since when I heard it was in the making, with all that bull***t about "this is not Kotor 3, it's kotor 3,4,5,6,7, and so on".
I'm sorry those guys leave, they gave me some of the best games I have for the last few years. |
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Forum Posts: 180 | Comment #46 by silencedlight Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:03:07 PM | |
'Then make KOTOR 3 or a better DA.'
Please say this is sarcasm aimed for other gamers.
Has anyone read some of the best books, lord of the rings, game of thrones, and possibly the first few harry potter books. They all have one thing in common, they were created without being pushed to writing to a deadline.
Sure, all media now-a-days is created with a 'realistic' deadline, but true marvels are those without deadlines.
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #47 by Dragon Nexus Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:15:15 PM | |
"People were mean about our stuff, and I'm tired of it."
Oh boo freakin hoo. Seriously. I'd have had more respect if this didn't just come off as whining.
They must have understood how atrociously written the ending to Mass Effect 3 was. It was written like that scene in Holy Grail where the animater suffers a fatal heart attack and keels over half way through an animation.
The entire game was superb and then it dumpes all over itself in the last section. Hell, the entire Earth thing played out like a boring seen-it-before TPS. It felt so completely seperate to everything we'd done up to that point. It felt like the leftovers of a Dice game. And god that ending. "Hi, I'm a random plot element dumped into the last 3 minutes giving us no time to explain it or expand upon it, I'm just here. Accept it. Now mae a choice so we can all go home. Hope your favourite colour isn't yellow, orange or purple." |
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Forum Posts: 2 | Comment #48 by cyrus1269 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:18:09 PM | |
| Wow, there is a lot of hate. I loved the ending of ME3, it was original. So what if Shep dies, it was original. I think it sucks that they quit because of all the hate, but I understand it. Why don't some of you try and create something like the Mass Effect Universe and then try to publish it. You'll find out that it's not as easy as you think. |
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Forum Posts: 578 | Comment #49 by Hurricane Of 87 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:19:16 PM | |
The worst ending this year was Eastbound & Down.
Mass Effect 3 wasn't even bad. |
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Forum Posts: 5571 | Comment #50 by Callum x360a Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:20:01 PM | |
| @48 - Dude! Spoilers! |
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Forum Posts: 25 | Comment #51 by FatalFlaw810 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:27:10 PM | |
| While I agree with you guys on the constructive criticism, I still think all the hate they got on the ending was uncalled for. Most people don't even know how to make a constructive argument anyway, people will just say "OMGZ THE ENDING SUCKED ME3 IS TRASH!!". That's not constructive criticism at all. People need to learn that they're not entitled to having the game the way they want it just because they bought it. If that's the case they should be making their own games. |
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Forum Posts: 201 | Comment #52 by High Lord Sigma Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:31:48 PM | |
| I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I don't understand why so many gamers just willingly let themselves get screwed over when companies shove poorly designed and/or implemented game aspects down their throats. In that regard, I was pleasantly surprised when I saw that people weren't taking badly written and nonsensical ending that retroactively tore open the fabric of the plot of the entire series lying down. Granted, it's a shame that the co-founders were the ones that left because of the stress; Hudson and Walters were really the true culprits when it came to ME3. |
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Forum Posts: 3 | Comment #53 by Sabeythang Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:35:39 PM | |
| Damn, who screwed up the margins on this page so badly? O_o |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #54 by RDrules Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:35:47 PM | |
| @17 sorry but thats crap authors edit, rewrite, retcon and release new editions of books all the time |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #55 by RDrules Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:37:14 PM | |
| @53 that would be AOS TRUCK further up stretching the hell out of it... |
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Forum Posts: 173 | Comment #56 by Blue Thunder28 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:37:49 PM | |
I'm actually glad they brought this out there. I always felt bad for Bioware when reading about the outrage and especially when visiting the BSN, I'd always imagine Bioware thinking to themselves "Who are we making games for again?" .. Their "fans" can't appreciate anything and overreact over EVERYTHING.
Think about how proud they were of ME3 as a whole and then look at the response, their first public appearance at PAX shows it just see the look on Mike Gambles face, and no one raises their hand for ME3 being their favourite and ME2 somehow being the fan favourite by far (still don't get that).
People tend to forget the incredible amount of man hours and effort put into a production like this and they especially forget that ME3 had the most pandering to fans and the game's fan culture than any game ever made (inside jokes everywhere), ESPECIALLY when the game gets delayed that just stretches their crunch time... I still feel bad for them, and most of all I still appreciate and love them and the work they do. |
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Forum Posts: 56 | Comment #57 by CHiLLiONS Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:39:30 PM | |
#5 said it, let me elaborate.....
EA is slime. Any game developer who signs a deal with them is asking for a hard time. You see, it's not the fans fault he lost his last marble, it's his own fault. |
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Forum Posts: 57 | Comment #58 by TheTCD Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:39:48 PM | |
I don't recall anyone "forcing" them to make an extended cut, they did it because they bowed to the pressure of whiny "fans" with a sense of entitlement. And don't get me wrong, it was a great gesture and all, but they should have known that even that wouldn't appease them.
I still maintain that a lot of people that say they hate it are not quite sure why they are supposed to hate it, and are just doing so because it's cool, or their favourite gaming blog did, or some guy whose ass they are trying to kiss on a forum did. Was it perfect? No. Is that a reason to hate it? Absolutely not. It's a completely irrational response to something that was beyond their control, or liberty to demand change to. |
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Forum Posts: 507 | Comment #59 by The Clutch Hand Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:40:55 PM | |
| Mass Effect 3 was trash compared to the first one. They should have stuck to games like Jade Empire, Mass Effect 1 and Star Wars KOTOR 1 and 2. It's a shame EA runined Bioware very sad!! ;( |
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Forum Posts: 190 | Comment #60 by ash356 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 01:57:06 PM | |
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'I still maintain that a lot of people that say they hate it are not quite sure why they are supposed to hate it, and are just doing so because it's cool'
Ok then, in that case, I maintain that people like you only bitch about the people who hated it because it fits with their hipster ideals.
"Oh, everyone hates that, I'm gonna be really independent and say I don't and they're all stupid".
Sorry, but if you're pulling judgements of people out of your ass, I'll do the exact same. |
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Forum Posts: 29 | Comment #61 by Godfather93a Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 02:02:51 PM | |
{SPOILER SPOILER} @48 Shepard never died if you picked destroy option even with the original ending. OT: This news makes me kind of sad Mass Effect IMO is the best Sc-Fi video game series to date. I've never cared so much about fictional characters then those of my crew mates on the Normandy.
The the Extended Cut DLC also IMO made ME3 ending amazing, & even before the Extended Cut Mass Effect 3 was & still is my Favorite in the Trilogy. ME3 delivered on every level I was wanting, the only thing lacking was a ending with closure, & the EC DLC definitely delivered. Really there comes a point where you say fuck all the low life trolls. These guys created Gold with the ME series & I very much look forward to the next chapter in Mass Effect.
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Forum Posts: 125 | Comment #62 by Jesuit007 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 02:03:46 PM | |
Yeah, not sorry to see them go if it's what they want. Truth is, ME3 and TOR are both great games, with huge flaws.
ME3's ending was a joke without the extended cut. Would have been better to just end it at the ghost child then have those silly cutscenes.
TOR is a terrific game... that has no business being shoehorned into an ancient MMO model. The game EXACTLY AS IT IS could have been developed as Kotor 3 with 4 person online-coop. People feel ripped off because it shouldn't even be an MMO, certainly not at 15 bucks a month.
Still, it's a great game, just wrong format. |
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Forum Posts: 13 | Comment #63 by Closing the Sky Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 02:29:45 PM | |
Honestly, I'm kind of shocked at how much insensitivity there is here. Yes, Mass Effect 3 was a disappointment, but could you imagine spending 2 years, 50+ hours a week on something, only for people to rage on you, start petitions against you, sending you cupcakes that are made to mock you, etc. If I were in that position, I would probably quit too. Geez, have some sympathy people.
And to think, if they never got bought out by EA, things would probably be so much better. |
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Forum Posts: 26 | Comment #64 by rng cougar Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 02:36:27 PM | |
1: We do not need an mmo for every good franchise, if anything we want coop so we can enjoy it with our friends, not the whole fucking world.
2: ME3's ending, of course people will be angry after you build this huge world with an expansive story and give it it's own fiction to help flush out the universe then for the ending you throw all logic and precedence out the window!
I mean c'mon how would you like it if you were watching the godfather and at the end of it all you find out the don was actually bacon and that his daughter was actually smote by god and the japs developed time travel to go to the future where the moon is cheese?! like wtf dude if you throw away the logic and backstory that makes the story great, what makes you honestly believe the ending will be amazing? |
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Forum Posts: 26 | Comment #65 by rng cougar Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 02:38:33 PM | |
| but in their defense because I love old bioware, I am willing to bet that the dumb choices are actualy EA's fault because if their is one thing EA knows how to do it's milk and ruin great franchises |
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Forum Posts: 89 | Comment #66 by Manwell Pablo Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 02:38:48 PM | |
| Thanks for the quality games and enjoy retirement. Shame on the C U Next Tuesdays who have contributed to this being bought about. |
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Forum Posts: 5859 | Comment #67 by Opiate42 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 02:53:53 PM | |
@1 - dude these guys were trained physicians before getting into game development. I think they understand pressure and criticism.
They've been at it for a long time now and frankly have earned their retirement. Show them some respect. |
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Forum Posts: 186 | Comment #68 by Jabbawocky Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 02:58:04 PM | |
Anyone who actually thinks they quit because of fan criticism alone is an idiot. It's more like they got sick of doing things the EA way but since they will probably need to go to another place for work they can't exactly bad mouth one of the biggest publishers in the business.
In the end Mass Effect 3's ending was utter crap. Not because it didn't go how I wanted it to but because it was obviously unfinished. The extended cut was merely stuff that if released in the first place wouldn;t have led to such a large backlash.
As for SWTOR its so much fan negativity as the fact that the game was probably declared a failure by EA after going F2P.
They deserve sympathy to a degree but in the end this is a business. |
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Forum Posts: 209 | Comment #69 by TH3 XB0X G3N1U5 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 03:16:49 PM | |
| Good job assholes. Proud of yourselves now? |
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Forum Posts: 185 | Comment #70 by DragonessAthena Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 03:38:48 PM | |
| I seriously don't care what others think, Mass Effect 3 was one of the BEST video games I've ever played. |
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Forum Posts: 136 | Comment #71 by Roose91 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 03:42:07 PM | |
| Hardly surprising. The fan reaction to ME3 was utterly ridiculous and frankly an embarrassment to the gaming industry as a whole. A lot of ungrateful cry baby's throwing their toys out of the pram. |
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Forum Posts: 1000 | Comment #72 by The Bum-Mobile Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 03:48:21 PM | |
Yeah, I agree with #1. Not that I think that's really why they left the company; they're rich bastards now who don't need to work for the rest of their lives. They can place the blame wherever they want. But seriously, there have always been haters for video games. Before that haters for movies and music. You don't see Justin fucking Bieber quitting because people hate him. You don't see Christopher Nolan retiring from film because a select group was disappointed with The Dark Knight Rises. If they really want video games to be taken as seriously as film and music, they need to accept that some people will DETEST the things they've worked so hard on. For every hater there are people who love the game, and releasing this kind of statement just makes them look like bitches.
Having said that, I thought Mass Effect 3 was decent. Before that I wasn't crazy about 2, and initially loved 1. I don't bash the games, but they're definitely overrated in my opinion. I agree some of the backlash from the Internet was extreme, but I'm still in the opinion that the initial ending was a major letdown and am one-hundred percent in the opinion that people can complain about whatever the fuck they want to complain about. They spent $60 for a game, and they can say whatever they want, complain as much as they want, and the developers should respond to that in a way other than "Well, the consumers are bitching; fuck 'em!" |
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Forum Posts: 57 | Comment #73 by TheTCD Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 03:53:17 PM | |
@60 Did I strike a nerve? Why would my opinion upset you as much as it clearly has? I just remarked on something I believe to be somewhat grounded in truth from asking a few people I've met why they "hate" the ending, which they couldn't explain. I didn't say everyone who hated it didn't know why they did, I didn't say nobody was entitled to hate it, I certainly didn't say I liked it because everyone hated it, I simply stated an opinion I am entitled to have. So really, your attitude is completely uncalled for.
"Hipster ideals"? Please. I didn't realise that simply having an opinion made people hipsters these days. Hipsters would be too busy playing their vintage Gameboys anyway. |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #74 by RDrules Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 04:12:16 PM | |
@71 IMO i think the gamers who dont complain are an ensnarement to us all, just going along with any old shit because of some insane belief that its the creators game and its about "artistic integrity" is stupid, games are art but their sale is business and we are customers, the only way the gaming industry which is a shambles right now will ever be good for the customer is if they complain when somethings wrong .
the reason we get ripped off left right and center now is because people just go along with everything the manufacturers want and that is wrong |
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Forum Posts: 101 | Comment #75 by xxthegodofwarx Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 04:12:36 PM | |
they should have never gotten with ea.
big mistake and me3 was great but the ending was bad.
make jade empire 2 kotor 3 and dont let ea butt their nose in your games |
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Forum Posts: 222 | Comment #76 by Snowed Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 04:18:50 PM | |
| Mass Effect series is my favorite series of games. It will quite possibly always remain so. The quality is incredibly high. |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #77 by RDrules Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 04:22:09 PM | |
| ..ensnarement should be embarrassment, stupid auto correct |
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Forum Posts: 42 | Comment #78 by OrionSatsume Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 04:25:46 PM | |
If you just quit when things get tough then are bad for the company anyway.
I don't think ME3 was a bad game, it just had a poor ending which they fixed
to a certain extent. It was never going to be that happily ever after ending
so the people who wanted that will just have to deal.
Now, they did mess up bad with SWTOR. That series should have never strayed
away from being a single player RPG. Mistake 1. They spent way too big a budget on a game in a dying genre that has for the last decade, been completely dominated by one game. Mistake 2. They overextended themselves
severly with unbelievably high operational costs, foring them into a pay to
play format, which is commonly resented these days...even amongst MMOs.
Mistake 3.
The fact is, SWTOR may be the reason BioWare is eventually folded as a company. It will next to impossible for EA to recoup the money they spent
on that game's development and if and when they do...LucasArts is going to
take a big cut of it for the use of the Star Wars IP. |
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Forum Posts: 14 | Comment #79 by SilentRich69 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 05:08:45 PM | |
| Gotta love reading all of the EA rage comments. |
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Forum Posts: 183 | Comment #80 by Lothra Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 05:11:27 PM | |
98% of the Mass Effect trilogy is awesome,yeah the ending sucked but why push the blame onto fan negativity? Its not our fault we were told our decisions would have an impact on the ending, its not our fault they decided to have 3 bland choice endings that made no sense, its not our fault the game feels rushed towards the end, its not our fault you got into bed with EA, oh and since when was it the fans fault that THEY made a crappy ending, i don't remember writing/directing/producing/texturing/coding etc that god awful ending (copy/paste for TOR & DA 2)
Bottom line is that they should have brought in real mass effect fans to playtest the game and listen to the feedback, this whole mess could have easily been avoided (again copy/paste for DA 2 & TOR)
They should not blame us, they should have owned up to their mistakes and try their best with future games, not cut on run like cry babies. |
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Forum Posts: 131 | Comment #81 by VinnyMac6 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 05:44:19 PM | |
I didn't play any Mass Effect games, so I don't know what exactly the whole ending controversy was, but I think it's total bullshit that fans felt so entitled that they demanded a new ending. It's bullshit. You don't like it, go make your own games.
Seriously, are we going to start petitioning movies next? Or television shows? Maybe we should start trying to see if we can change the color pallets on museum paintings?
The whole thing is silly. |
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Forum Posts: 11 | Comment #82 by Callam001 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 05:53:51 PM | |
| On this day, not 2 fucks was given |
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Forum Posts: 186 | Comment #83 by Jabbawocky Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 06:04:20 PM | |
@81 Opinion invalid immediately from not have knowledge required to have informed opinion.
Funny thing most people don't realise is that in the end a video game is a product and thus the consumer gets an opinion.
Sure you don't hear as much complaints about mediums such as TV, music or film because of how the medium is presented.
Film costs around £5 for a viewing and 2-3 hours of time spent in total, in the end you don't loose too much if you don't like it. Music can be heard for free on the radio/interest and takes up a few minutes per song once again not too much lost if you don't like it. TV is something you only invest time and money in if you like it.
Video games on the other hand are £40-50 a game and in Mass Effect's case take roughly 50-60 hours to complete. Mass Effect 3 for the most part was a pretty standard game and enjoyable. Now imagine spending all that time on the game only to get an ending that basically was cut up and unfinished thus made no sense. |
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Forum Posts: 245 | Comment #84 by lordskorrkeeper Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 06:09:01 PM | |
The only thing I did not like about Mass Effect 3 was not the ending it was
!!!SPOILER!!!!!
the lack of a end boss. That is all. |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #85 by RDrules Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 06:10:48 PM | |
@81 well A we are entitled to complain when we get a shoddy product when we
have paid for it more entitled than you are to have an opinion at all on the
subject of a game you admit you have never played.
B there are multiple cases of both games and movies that have been changed
due to fan reaction, all other forms of media edit and retcon existing
material because the people who pay for it dont like it.
C the stupidest argument of all is the paintings, something which people
have banded around since the start of this, if you look back at what your
talking about and learn about the history of them, artists generally paint
on commission when they are paid for their work.. alot of the great works of
art are done this way in which case there was someone, the customer who paid
for the piece who demanded what they wanted from it
the only time any artist really has the ability to just do what they want is
when they are doing it for themselves, the second you sell a piece f art it
becomes a product and the customer has a right to be dissatisfied with that
product and has a right to voice that dissatisfaction.
now you dont have to agree with what they say but it is their right to say
it and at the same time the "artist doesnt have to change anything but they
have to understand that if they dont then that will hurt their business in
future |
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Forum Posts: 6 | Comment #86 by BOBtheMASTER Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 06:28:10 PM | |
No one asked for TOR. Stop making games that no one wanted.
Quit whining and make KOTOR 3. |
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Forum Posts: 323 | Comment #87 by 1morey Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 06:41:30 PM | |
I never played any of the ME games, but I have this to say:
Yeah the fans have the right to contstructive criticism, but a lot of this bullcrap the fans had was just disrespectful.
I mean they made the game for YOUR enjoyment. You should at least appreciate the fact they made the games in the first place.
Sure every game out there has things that could have beeen done differently, or changed, but that doesn't mean the entirety of the game is trash. |
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Forum Posts: 154 | Comment #88 by EngagedMetal7 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 06:57:59 PM | |
First, what the fuck is up with the bloody forums?
And second, why does everyone have to hate on great games? |
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Forum Posts: 3 | Comment #89 by R1Pt3h5Y5T3m Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 06:59:37 PM | |
Good, this is what gamers now a days get.
There is a diff between constructive criticism and ungrateful gamers. Gamers have been so spoiled and feel they are entitled to everything especially if things aren't to their like.
People cant just enjoy a product for what it is or give an mmo time to become great. Love this ADHD gen. |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #90 by RDrules Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 07:32:19 PM | |
@87 im in no way saying that some of the things that went on are right or anyway justified, there is a right and wrong way to make your complaint and i do think that the majority of gamers that complained about it did it in the right way... just some idiots were louder and of course got more press than them
i dont agree though that we should appreciate them for the simple fact they didnt make the games for our enjoyment, sure they will have liked that people enjoyed their work but they made them to sell them and no when someones selling you something in a billion dollar industry they dont deserve thanks for doing their jobs
also people wernt complaining about the whole game so your last line makes no sense at all it was one specific problem with the game which hey have tried to address.
and @89 gamers, especially in this generation are NOT spoiled, if anything we are the complete opposite, we pay a lot of money to be treated like shit by the companies we are paying it to, have to put up with terrible business practices from companies that are just trying to milk every penny they can from us and if we ever have the audacity to complain about it we get shit like this |
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Forum Posts: 137 | Comment #91 by Rastaman20 Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 07:42:33 PM | |
well the reason i think a majority of people got mad at the ending of ME3 and thought it was shit because they rushed through the game and dident get the full ending so they were like this fucking sucks i payed for this shit? gayness lets boycott this game which is fucking dumb
i liked the ending of ME3 considering i had max everything and the ending i picked of the 3 * SPOILER ALERT * showed my shepard burnt to a crisp and his armor fucked to all hel but then you heard * GASP DEEP BREATH * so i figured ahhh bioware you fuckers this aint the end of shepard lol
as for TOR, i never played it im not a pc gamer but i really liked the KoTOR 1 & 2 they were sweet :), but i can see the anger in bioware making a 1 platform game when everyone thought it was going to a multiplatform KoTOR 3.
but hey gamers you cant always get what you want not every single game can be the next massive million bajillion dollar success like CoD/BF franchises, but even those games have there haters and im a CoD hater im done with it im not buying BO2 i'll barrow it from a friend i wont give my money for shit that dosent change at all.
now Ubisoft can raid my wallet all they want cuz i dont think any of there games have dissipointed me lol ( but if they buy the right to the series Syphion Filter and make a new 1 on 360 or the next xbox that game will make serious dough lol ) |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #92 by a 6roken sword Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 10:00:55 PM | |
| As far as the original ME3 ending was concerned, I really think fans had a right to complain. The constructive ones at least. I sure did. I understand having the right to create your own artistic vision. But you can't create an epic trilogy, then end it with a say "fade to black, before ending with a giant flaming hand giving the finger to the player", followed with a text message saying "Buy DLC!", and then call the tidal wave of backlash just a bunch of "entitled whiners". It don't work like that. lol. |
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Forum Posts: 37 | Comment #93 by Nobezy Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:12:21 PM | |
| It's what they fucking get for being sellouts and fucking up the franchise THEY made us fall in love with. If you can't stand the heat stay the fuck out of the kitchen. Better yet don't turn the stove on full blast with your face 3 inches from it. |
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Forum Posts: 4 | Comment #94 by aim of kronic Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 11:22:03 PM | |
| pretty sure THEY are the ones who created it.. not 'us'.. that is the way THEY wanted it to end |
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Forum Posts: 38 | Comment #95 by Woody28 Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 12:12:23 AM | |
Constructive criticism is not the same as fans pissing and moaning!
Of course people's outrages are gonna effect the developers.
People need to stop crying and complaining and just enjoy the developers work.
how they intended. It seems these days, devs now have to bow to the every whim of anyone who is outraged or didn't like something in their product, and quite frankly it's a sad thing.
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Forum Posts: 980 | Comment #96 by Devil Sora Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 01:11:48 AM | |
| What the fuck. . . . thanks alot loyal Bioware fans the devs are just people too. |
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Forum Posts: 6 | Comment #97 by Akira_Katayama Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 02:17:46 AM | |
| I blame the asshat that leaked the original ending to ME3. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #98 by StormedKestrel Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 02:41:36 AM | |
i hope the whiny bitches are happy. 2 geniuses have left the industry
because you assholes had to throw in your two cents. The quality of the
games that come out now will dip, i am sure of that |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #99 by Social Cancer Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 02:45:31 AM | |
| @1 it wasnt constructive, it was "this sucks" |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #100 by RKR Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 02:50:48 AM | |
| Yeah, this definitely 'fell out of hands' it was just so embarassing looking at the bioware forums with 1/2 of the posts in the first few pages being complaints about the same thing. Feel sorry for them really, im glad i wasnt there whining with them. |
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Forum Posts: 2 | Comment #101 by Damodar Thade Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 02:51:15 AM | |
| They knew what they where doing selling to EA and they made a shit ton of money. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #102 by BlackSnowe Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 04:21:20 AM | |
White Knights.
White Knights everywhere. |
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Forum Posts: 129 | Comment #103 by Skelix Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 05:00:06 AM | |
| The internet is so mean to me, I think I'm going to cry, good riddance. You became garbage once EA bought you. Go take your online code money and buy yourself a pack of bubble gum. |
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Forum Posts: 186 | Comment #104 by DeanBriggz Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 06:49:44 AM | |
| So we're meant to sit in silence when the games industry obviously does us wrong, just to avoid hurting some feelings? Boo fucking hoo. |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #105 by Social Cancer Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 06:55:33 AM | |
| at least they made a shit ton of money. |
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Forum Posts: 37 | Comment #106 by BigGayLawyer Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 07:15:38 AM | |
| This is why the whole ME3 thing was stupid. Who the hell petitions to change the end of a game? |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #107 by ADTR TOM Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 07:19:37 AM | |
| They at least attempted to redeem themselves but if you're going to gain a loyal fan base off the back of the other 2 with an amazing build up of choices and consequences and then for the third and final game make the most underwhelming ending to a trilogy in existence then what can you expect? |
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Forum Posts: 22 | Comment #108 by MustaPastori Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 07:20:45 AM | |
| @98 as if it could sink any lower after DA2, TOR and ME3.. |
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Forum Posts: 493 | Comment #109 by Timmsy Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 07:36:29 AM | |
they put so many years into killing 2 massive award winning game franchises?
yeah thats a fucking achievement you two well done, good riddence
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Forum Posts: 493 | Comment #110 by Timmsy Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 07:39:40 AM | |
oh yeah and mass effect 3 came out q1 2012 you weirdos you are 4 months out of date.
why is this cryptkey looking staff member allowed to do this news he gets so much wrong!!
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Forum Posts: 151 | Comment #111 by SmarmySmurf Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 09:44:19 AM | |
They don't have my sympathies. I wasn't one of the folks raging over the
end, but they should have seen much of the reaction coming. People wanted
KOTOR3, they delivered an MMO. People wanted a sprawling space opera with
choice and consequence and payoff, they got corridor cover shooting and the
choices were halved from the already inadequate amount in ME2, with a
choose your space magic nonsense ending to reward them for their investment
in three games and many dlc's (only real fans who bought all that are
bitching). They wanted more Origins, instead they go recycled assets and enemies literally teleporting on their heads.
Again, *I* like DA2 and ME2/3 (don't care about TOR at all), but the
reaction has been absolutely valid and justified. If this guy is right,
the doctors are simply oversensitive. They had to see the compromises
and failures before release and realize how many would legitimately feel
let down. And it wasn't once or with one game, it's with literally every
series they have worked on this gen. |
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Forum Posts: 190 | Comment #112 by ash356 Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 09:54:44 AM | |
@73
'I simply stated an opinion I am entitled to have.'
...Your comment defeats itself. You can't bitch about me infringing your right to an opinion after you've already insulted and devalued the opinions of everyone who hated the ending. 'Whiny with a sense of entitlement' ring any bells?
We don't hate it because it's 'cool', we hate it because it's a $*%t ending. Anybody with a decent knowledge of story-telling could tell that.
Things suddenly appear in the very last game that resolve the conflict completely? Deus ex machina, a staple of poor writers.
Non-sensical logic. Killing species with synthetics so the species won't be killed by synthetics? Makes sense.
Finally, the original ending left little in the way of character resolutions. It was only in the Extended cut we saw what happened to half of them.
Whether people had a right to complain is debatable, but frankly, the ME games have built a reputation around cause and effect from one game to another. It's one of the main selling-points. To then realise none of our choices meant a damn thing in the end, I'd say the consumer has every right to complain. |
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Forum Posts: 1534 | Comment #113 by HalfEVILmonkey Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 10:06:13 AM | |
| I think #112 and #73 should just throw down and whoever is still standing wins the argument. Do it. Do iiiiiiit. |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #114 by BaeMoon 12 Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 12:05:32 PM | |
| Everyone keeps saying its their fault but I think everything was rushed to please EA, ever notice when a good company gets bought by a big company their products start to turn into crap. |
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Forum Posts: 221 | Comment #115 by SK L4xX Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 12:19:31 PM | |
| If i see my masterpieces getting bashed and on the otherhand supertrash like cod or other games gets hyped to the moon i would lost faith in humanity too and quit...It's just not worth to produce good games anymore for the kids these days |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #116 by MPx50 Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 01:49:31 PM | |
| @6 it actually just launched like 5months ago |
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Forum Posts: 391 | Comment #117 by chach7171 Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 04:23:04 PM | |
| I wonder to all you mass effect fanboys....was it worth bitching THAT much to apparently cause enough stress against these two to help push them to resigning?? |
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Forum Posts: 56 | Comment #118 by CHiLLiONS Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 04:59:00 PM | |
| I already read this article but i just wanted to drop by and laugh at this guy BBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAAAAAAHAHAHAHA |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #119 by RDrules Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 05:12:05 PM | |
@117 considering bitching actually got something done about what was wrong
with the game... yes yes it was |
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Forum Posts: 34 | Comment #120 by Porta1980 Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 05:32:27 PM | |
i dont even understand why there was a petition. who fucking cares if u didnt like the ending its still the fucking ending to the game.
oooh i didnt like the ending to Lord of the rings will you change it for me please.
FUCK OFF dickheads |
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Forum Posts: 34 | Comment #121 by Porta1980 Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 05:39:42 PM | |
| @94 exactly |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #122 by RDrules Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 06:12:10 PM | |
its funny you mention the lord of the rings like its a good argument
considering it was in itself a massive retcon of the hobbit :P and even then
it had changes made to it throughout tolkins life
quite frankly its people like you that should fuck off (to use the term you
used) people that act like that just cause more and more problems with this
industry, we shouldnt ever just be accepting of whatever shit they throw our
way and as son as the entire community gamers starts to fight back when
something is wrong like this we will have a much much better state for us all
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Forum Posts: 1534 | Comment #123 by HalfEVILmonkey Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 08:56:08 PM | |
| #120 should go away and die. |
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Forum Posts: 51 | Comment #124 by Draznar Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 09:07:23 PM | |
This couldn't make me any happier.
Fuck these sell outs. |
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Forum Posts: 32 | Comment #125 by Achilles8249 Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 09:26:12 PM | |
| Good job EA, Props to you guys. |
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Forum Posts: 150 | Comment #126 by xSavage Henry Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 10:00:28 PM | |
| LOL yes this is great news. What a bunch of babys. Hopefully EA will just fully retire next. Worst video game company ever. |
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Forum Posts: 1534 | Comment #127 by HalfEVILmonkey Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 10:17:45 PM | |
| EA sucks balls |
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Forum Posts: 7 | Comment #128 by Wolf825 Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 10:30:17 PM | |
Alienware, Blizzard, Bioware
What do they all have in common? Correct answer gets a virtual cookie. |
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Forum Posts: 338 | Comment #129 by MEMANIAsama Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 01:34:42 AM | |
Not that anybody will read this comment. But, seriously, anybody who thinks this is a good thing needs to check themselves in to a mental institution. Gamers as a whole are being the most vocal whiny bullies that have ever existed. We piss and moan about EVERYTHING, even the GOOD stuff. For every single person who says Bioshock is one of the best games ever, there are like 50 people ready to rip it a new one and call it a pile of crap. We didn't do this kind of shit with games like Super Mario Brothers 3, and it's not because it's a great game or anything, hell, we didn't do this kind of shit with TMNT on the NES and that damn underwater level. So, what the hell has changed that has made us feel so entitled? Why is it, that it's suddenly okay to launch these giant campaigns, send death threats, send colored cupcakes to the offices, spam their social networking with hatred, threaten to rape and/or kill one of their "stupid bitch" writers, giving bad reviews for their products on Amazon, and everything else?
The gamer community, as a whole, is vile and ugly as all hell, and it's stuff like all this Mass Effect 3 & Dragon Age 2 outrage that makes me ashamed to be a part of it. There's one thing to offer constructive criticism, it's an entirely different thing to go into a full on ATTACK against the company and the people who work there. These are human beings, and sometimes I think we forget that. |
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Forum Posts: 48 | Comment #130 by oDEADDOGo Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 01:45:09 AM | |
| What went wrong was EA got involved. |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #131 by RDrules Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 02:02:31 AM | |
sorry 129 you were ok up until the "writing reviews on amazon" bit... thats
what a review systems for most of the other stuff was wrong... but also was
a minority of the people involved most people just put it plainly what was
wrong and what was needed to fix it which is constructive so dont tar us all
with the same brush as the idiots sending death threats etc. |
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Forum Posts: 202 | Comment #132 by Sanchezz4387 Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 03:02:22 AM | |
| @74 is exactly right |
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Forum Posts: 925 | Comment #133 by crabbycrabcrab Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 03:54:59 AM | |
Ea are aweful and don't sell there gamed as whole. They made a shot ending with the intention to sell dlc. They did This to themselves.
Even if they make a handful or great games, I have no interest to support a company that doesn't care about the customer. Servers shutting down, online passes and poor support for games once released!
Fuck you ea, the sooner you go, the sooner the talent in your company can move to other companies with better morals. |
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Forum Posts: 34 | Comment #134 by Porta1980 Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 08:26:59 AM | |
| @122 are you actually serious? What the fuck has people not liking the end of a game got to do with anything about the state of the games industry? i totally agree that there are plenty of thing that need sorting like this vip passes and paying for content thats already on the disc etc but people not liking the end of a game has fuck all to do with anything. Every single person who bought the game is fully entitled to dislike the ending and to even cry about it like they all did but to start a petition to change it is just ridiculous so no actually all u fuckers should fuck off and die |
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Forum Posts: 50 | Comment #135 by Judicar Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 09:06:28 AM | |
| I acknowledge in any industry you have to be able to take criticism but nevertheless whiny internet complainers driving these guys out is pretty bad. Sincerely hope the whiners are happy now. |
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Forum Posts: 588 | Comment #136 by Chaos MAN Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 09:54:37 AM | |
| @135 Yes, we are now. |
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #137 by RDrules Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 11:42:59 AM | |
@134 not liking the end of the game has nothing to do with it, people
quitting because we had the audacity to complain that we didnt like
somethings and actually demand its changed has everything to do with it
the industry is in the state its in now because people are scared to
complain because of the backlash of petty individuals like you just call
them "entitled" and "whiny" when they arent, theyre doing what is their
right to do
the petition and reviews are the RIGHT way to do this they are what we
should be doing as a whole to the industry about all the shit they throw at us but instead when we actually change something where we were screwed over
we are criticized by other people in the community and blamed for shit like
this article.
the whole point is this worked so we should do it more the boycotts and shit
people keep saying we should do when we dont like something dont.
now again im not saying the death threats etc are right, those few that do
shit like that are idiots and we should tell the how ridiculous theyre being
nut we need to get out f this pattern we'rein where people feel they dont
have the right to moan and complain about whats wrong
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Forum Posts: 7 | Comment #138 by randallm33 Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 11:49:16 AM | |
@1 - Many fans went far beyond constructive in their criticism.
Also, "EA upper management must have been even worse than I thought" -- Wow, space is even blacker than I thought.
Unfortunately, companies like them are also a necessary evil but like it or not - EA is a business. NOT, I repeat, not a GAMING company. They only care about money. Like any successful capitalist they will crunch anything (product integrity) or anyone (Muzyka) to make more of it. |
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Forum Posts: 108 | Comment #139 by Slayinfool Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 11:51:36 AM | |
| Can't take the heat, then get out of the kitchen... |
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Forum Posts: 16 | Comment #140 by caboose69ing Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 12:16:27 PM | |
| @9 I agree, I loved the ending and so did most of my friends, i think the people that didn't don't have any imagination, and couldn't flesh out the story for themselves, I like open endings, because I can flesh it out in my mind the rest of the details the way I want them to be |
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Forum Posts: 125 | Comment #141 by Duds911 Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 02:39:40 PM | |
| Sensitive females if you ask me. |
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Forum Posts: 99 | Comment #142 by ProxsimityVirus Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 03:15:24 PM | |
an ea has done it again, doesn't take long for original founders to get sick of them. Let the franchise milking begin
rip bioware |
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Forum Posts: 970 | Comment #143 by Delow317 Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 04:44:26 PM | |
| Say the Doctors are sensitive all you want. This is what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you. Personally If I created an epic 3 part scifi RPG and the fans reacted because the ending wasn't fullfilling enough for them, I'd say the hell with the gamers too. |
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Forum Posts: 7 | Comment #144 by ChaosRyu Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 05:28:17 PM | |
| I honestly like it better when Bioware was an independent. Even though I love the whole trilogy of Mass Effect and Dragon Age Series. I kinda don;t like the rash decision EA makes on all the devs they buy out. |
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Forum Posts: 15 | Comment #145 by Yndraman Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 06:21:39 PM | |
Wow reading some of the comments on here make me seriously ashamed to be part of the gaming community. If only this was a perfect world and "fans" didn't have an unjustified sense of entitlement and the incredible amount of "courage" required to bad-mouth people over the internet...
OT though I seriously doubt they retired just because of the backlash, sure that may have soured them on the idea of continuing but I imagine they were probably already pretty burnt out after a long time spent in the industry and it was a straw/camel's back situation. |
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Forum Posts: 11 | Comment #146 by GothamCommand Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 07:18:27 PM | |
| Sad story...Even more sad at the gamers who helped push them out...#@!$ you rude fanboys! |
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Forum Posts: 117 | Comment #147 by ebin Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 07:24:06 PM | |
| Fan negativity cited as a possible reason would be a more apt and less misleading title for this "story" |
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Forum Posts: 57 | Comment #148 by Gillanaut Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 08:28:15 PM | |
It saddens me to hear so many people still hate on them. How many original thoughts have you ever had in your life? How many games have you ever taken from nothing to multi million sellers... NONE thats why you have to take all your hate out on the people that have done what you have no chance of EVER doing... If you think you can do better.. DO IT... I thought ME3 was decent, and SWKOTOR was a good idea but the scope of it was just too much to try and pull people away from consoles and WoW...
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Forum Posts: 1501 | Comment #149 by RDrules Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 09:09:18 PM | |
@148, thats no reason to sit back and accept anything, im not a builder either but some cowboy comes in and half finishes work on my house ill sure as hell complain about it
honestly though i have nothing against these guys or bioware... just a couple of their products, back in the baulders gate/ never winter nights era i couldnt put heir games down i have nothing but respect for their talents... however i have no sympathy with them if theyre gonna quit over some negative feedback, it happens you dont quit you either ignore it and suffer the consequences or fix it |
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Forum Posts: 9 | Comment #150 by Diego9 Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 09:09:21 PM | |
| hahahaha bunch of fa |
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Forum Posts: 33 | Comment #151 by Coruba Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 12:02:08 AM | |
| I kind of liked the whole 'No matter how hard you try your efforts are futile and meaningless in the big picture' style ending, just don't understand why people had to be sooks about it, its a game, it had a great story and the ending was well conceived. What happens next is for the rest of the IP to pick up and run with. |
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Forum Posts: 356 | Comment #152 by Ravenhood Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 01:02:53 AM | |
If they really did quit over the backlash to some of their games, then that may be for the better in the long run. Not just for them, but for the games as well. But I would imagine there's more to it than just being upset that some people weren't happy with certain choices that were made.
Personally, I loved all of the Mass Effect trilogy except for the way it ended. The free ending-altering DLC made things a bit more coherent, but for me, there was still far too much that contradicted itself within the lore of the universe to be truly enjoyable. The concept was interesting, but in my eyes, it was executed poorly.
That being said, I hope Greg and Ray are at least proud of the work they've done; despite the criticisms, they've still managed to help create a rather memorable batch of games. |
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Forum Posts: 95 | Comment #153 by sxylou123 Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 03:52:56 AM | |
As far as I was aware ME3 got very mixed reactions with people still loving it for what it is, good graphics and gameplay...the story sucked a bit towards the end. I really enjoyed the BETA as was everyone else at the time. I dont think they failed the whole game, just one single aspect...thats no reason to just give up.
I never got it because of the rumours so I am in no position to muck spread but it could have failed far more than people give credit... |
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Forum Posts: 202 | Comment #154 by Sanchezz4387 Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 07:40:24 AM | |
| wonder if all these wankers saying we have no right to complain dont complain about CoD? |
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Forum Posts: 155 | Comment #155 by ScoobyWRX555 Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 09:26:53 AM | |
| havent played the 3rd one yet so cant say, but will try to ignore all the complaining and enjoy it as it is. But if the consumer can complain and the maker takes the time to change it, can i complain about Prometheus and say wtf please can you rewrite it? |
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Forum Posts: 19 | Comment #156 by wickedclowns95 Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 11:34:07 AM | |
| I'm very surprised so many people are defending this guy. This is just plain cowardice. The original ending didn't deliver on so many fronts and not just because of the promises that Casey Hudson made. It just failed to provide any decent closure to the trilogy. Honestly, I still love these games though for the experience they provided throughout and if these guys want to bow out over criticism then I think they are both being pussies. You don't see the CoD guys bowing out even though they take a load of shit from almost everybody whenever they release a new game. People complain, such is our nature. Get the fuck over it. |
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Forum Posts: 176 | Comment #157 by Dredgon Monday, October 01, 2012 @ 12:17:41 PM | |
| http://www.cinemablend.com/games/BioWare-Co-Founder-Ray-Muzyka-Defends-Passionate-Fans-Blasts-Gaming-Journalists-47573.html |
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Forum Posts: 4 | Comment #158 by LeviXLush Wednesday, October 03, 2012 @ 02:44:13 AM | |
| I never played a Mass Effect after the first one where I got lost in Citadel because it gave you no fucking clue where to go and got tired of loading screens looking where to go. SWKotOR on Xbox was great. |
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