Forum Posts: 300 | Comment #1 by BUZZARDIO 1080 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 04:53:41 AM | |
| hurray, and about bloody time. |
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Forum Posts: 525 | Comment #2 by WonderCaliban Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 04:55:25 AM | |
Just means that you have to actually download rather than unlock it. It'll still be made at the same time as the actual game.
For fighting games it'd have to be an update as you need the content to play online. |
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Forum Posts: 10 | Comment #3 by onidemon Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:00:41 AM | |
| Glad to see they have finally come to their senses. Honestly how could they not expect a backlash after SFXT |
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Forum Posts: 271 | Comment #4 by maggotdude Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:03:24 AM | |
| lets hope this gives other game devs a kick up the arse and stop doing day one on disk dlc. |
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Forum Posts: 1516 | Comment #5 by yamayamayaamaa Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:04:12 AM | |
| Can't wait for Dragon's Dogma. As a person who is running out of hard drive space from so many XBLA games/DLC, I'm kind of torn inbetweem... I just miss the old days lol... |
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Forum Posts: 76 | Comment #6 by NMANOZ Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:05:55 AM | |
| They are only now going to hold back the DLC but their intentions are the same (the DLC would already have been completed and not available for free). |
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Forum Posts: 27 | Comment #7 by khruz Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:08:09 AM | |
| to me dlc is part of a game that didnt made it or didnt fit on the game(disk) so thats why they sell dlc , but if its already on the disk to begin with , its like paying twice for the same disk you bought cause everything was already in it |
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Forum Posts: 277 | Comment #8 by Lord Gothic Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:10:53 AM | |
| @6 So how are they going to earn any money if they give everything away for free ? |
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Forum Posts: 4 | Comment #9 by mikefizzled Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:14:44 AM | |
| They'll hide it inside a mini safe in the box then you have to $10 to open it. |
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Forum Posts: 180 | Comment #10 by Floodclaw Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:17:43 AM | |
| The distinction is that DLC -should- be content that is only worked on after the entire game is finished and released. Everything intended to be in the game during production should be on the disc. Some companies (like Bioware) explain the on-disc DLC by saying that the game is finished by the time the game is being produced, and the DLC only starts production after everything is done. The thing is, if you have time to put part of the data on the disc, why not put all of it on there and include it in the game to begin with? Capcom, on the other hand, is deliberately locking sections of the game out and charging extra, when things like this were usually unlocked through playing the game (like in SSB Brawl, for example). Good to see that they're re-assessing how they see things. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #11 by railmundo Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:22:54 AM | |
| How is this good? Surely all that will happen now Is, instead of working this onto disk, they will simply put it up for download, making no difference cost wise... Just means now I get to spend time downloading it... They won't simply put it all on disk and make it free. |
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Forum Posts: 12 | Comment #12 by PledgedZebra4 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:34:04 AM | |
| If it's on the disc then it is not DLC. It is part of the original game and I have already paid for it. Microsoft should have stepped in long ago and stopped this practice. |
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Forum Posts: 117 | Comment #13 by JedEgan Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:35:38 AM | |
| The DLC will still be produced the same as before, they just know now to release them as full downloads rather than on disc. They just want the bad publicity to go away. |
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Forum Posts: 462 | Comment #14 by M1 Punk Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:42:08 AM | |
| F*ck you and your Dragon Dogma. Give me my SFxT DLC which I already paid for for free and I may consider forgiving you. |
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Forum Posts: 119 | Comment #15 by Brengun Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:55:38 AM | |
| @13 I agree, we will still be charged as before but now they can con us into thinking the DLC is produced post retail launch. I'd rather it was on the disc if thats the case to save room. They simply want people to stop critising them, without actualy changing the way they produce 'DLC'. |
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Forum Posts: 7 | Comment #16 by RancidSkank Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:59:55 AM | |
As much as I love Capcoms games, they have been taking the piss for too long with these practices.
I'd say I'm happy they have seen sense, but their statement basically indicates that much of the time the content is there when the discs are pressed, and choose to leave them off and sell them at a later date. |
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Forum Posts: 387 | Comment #17 by Caramel Cardinal Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:04:42 AM | |
| all thos means is content that was meant to be on disk will be removed so they just include it as a large download rather than essentially an unlock code |
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Forum Posts: 2218 | Comment #18 by KeepEmRolling Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:15:43 AM | |
| What needs changed is their dlc policy, not how it's delivered. New missions for Dragon's Dogma? Cool....got no problem with that. Paying for new weapons? Shit like that needs to stop. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #19 by Winter wolfpack Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:19:33 AM | |
| removing content from the disc to sell later is bullshit. wheres the compensation for receiving half the product. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #20 by Winter wolfpack Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:22:44 AM | |
| dlc is post production extras. anything made during production is content. taking content out only makes the reviews harsher which reduces sale anyway so why not finish the job. |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #21 by Dr Damien G Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:28:54 AM | |
| If Capcoms really listening to Capcom Unity then where's Resident Evil Outbreak 3 and/or HD collection...All I've got to say. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #22 by Khazun Dunbar Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:32:55 AM | |
I see no reason why DLC couldn't work the same way buying your car with or without certain options does. For example you buy a game with several DLC on disk and you have the choice to pay extra for several goodies or not. The trick here - the base price would have to be way smaller for that to work - let's say 60-70% of the today's standard retail.
This way the developers give me the choice of spending more or less money on the game I buy. |
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Forum Posts: 567 | Comment #23 by ModernSith2010 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:43:27 AM | |
| At the end of the day if that so called DLC, is ready before the game is sent to be published it should be included in the full game end of story!. I don't mind day 1 DLC if it's stuff that they have been working on since the disc has gone gold and if being tested etc. |
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Forum Posts: 567 | Comment #24 by ModernSith2010 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:45:44 AM | |
| @22 You don't buy a car with a CD changer in the back with a padlock on it so you can't use it as you have paid for that option now do you, it just isn't there, don't be stupid it's nothing like buying a car. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #25 by Winter wolfpack Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:45:51 AM | |
| I think their policy is reflected by their review scores. If you dont go that extra mile you don't get a review like skyrim. People can tell when something is full of effort and has been completed. cutting content shows you are lazy and any extra effort you put in you want people to pay for. |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #26 by Igzy 23 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 06:59:40 AM | |
Codemasters did the same on DiRT3, you have all the best cars that you loved from the first game but you have to buy them to use them or extra events that you can't race in until you buy them -
DLC should be extra content whether it's on the disc or for download, it should not be old content everybody loved getting a price tagged to it. |
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Forum Posts: 115 | Comment #27 by Mittens2317 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 07:02:06 AM | |
| Sounds like they still don't get it. The "delivery mechanism" was never the issue. It's about charging people for what they have already bought. You don't buy a CD then expect to pay extra for the bonus tracks that are on it. |
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Forum Posts: 11 | Comment #28 by Callam001 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 07:14:52 AM | |
| they fucked up big time, they can change there policy, but this is always gonna hang over there head |
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Forum Posts: 278 | Comment #29 by zarda1 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 07:19:38 AM | |
| the only reason this is even being said is because they're doing it again. there is going to be dlc on the disc so they're getting ready for the backlash. |
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Forum Posts: 462 | Comment #30 by M1 Punk Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 07:23:43 AM | |
| People, they're just saying this so you will buy Dragon's Dogma without worrying about the bullshit DLC practice. Don't buy into it and stop supporting Capcom. |
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Forum Posts: 646 | Comment #31 by Harry Lloyd Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 07:36:00 AM | |
| Just buy the game, people, and support this bulshit. They deserve it, right? |
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Forum Posts: 106 | Comment #32 by Steakslave Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 07:50:55 AM | |
| If you own the disc, you should own what's on it, or at least the right to access it without extra charge. DLC should be what it stands for - DownLoadable Content. If it's already on the disc that I own & they wanna carge, they should be honest & call it Unlockable Content. People wouldn't like paying for it then. You wouldn't buy a safe and then buy the combination separately would you? |
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Forum Posts: 225 | Comment #33 by combustible lemon Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 08:04:32 AM | |
It seems Capcom really want to be as popular with gamers as EA and activision i.e. unpopular greedy corporation.
They are just doing this because they think us dumb gamers will think the problem has been solved and they can go back to making day 1 DLC for a cheap and dirty profit undisturbed. |
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Forum Posts: 549 | Comment #34 by Ray5555 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 08:30:09 AM | |
| Honestly like a few other posters have said. Is that Dragon's Dogma has DLC on the the disc and Capcom is just trying to get a jump on the situation before the game is released. They know they will get panned for it in Dragon's Dogma. DD is not a day one buy for many people, since MP3 is out, and TCFS will be out then. They are trying to soften the blow to get people to buy DD after it's release. I had DD preordered for $45 at newegg. Then the $7, 100 quest dlc didn't sit right with me. So I cancelled my pre-order. This article just confirms for me that the dlc is one the disc. It's funny most of my friends hate this practice. The only friends of mine that defend it are the hardcore fighting fans. |
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Forum Posts: 7 | Comment #35 by spike2055 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 08:49:44 AM | |
| screw capcom. |
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Forum Posts: 27 | Comment #36 by shadowfeeder Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 08:57:58 AM | |
| It's not the delivery method that's the problem, it's that they're leaving out finished content that you then have to pay extra for, be it on disc or as download. |
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Forum Posts: 8 | Comment #37 by Madhafaca Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 09:02:00 AM | |
| Our money and forums/websites like these are the best way to let them know we will not tolerate this crap; we're not stupid. |
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Forum Posts: 57 | Comment #38 by Capt_Ron CFH 01 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 10:21:00 AM | |
I really wanted SFxT but I'm not paying an additional $20 on top of the $60 price tag to unlock characters that should have been in the game to begin with. If that's the case then I'll wait until I can pick the game up for $20 or for the ultimate edition (they claim there won't be one but we'll see)
What happened Capcom? We used to be friends. I remember fond days of Megaman games on NES, Resident Evil on PS1 and PS2, Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and the first Dead Rising on 360. You've changed though it's like I don't even know who you are anymore. In the words of Master Chief "sadface" |
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Forum Posts: 22 | Comment #39 by gambit444 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 10:43:28 AM | |
| I'm just glad that the gaming community sees through this bullshit. I bought UMvC3 for the Vita for $40. your telling me that all this DLC that was created before the game came out couldnt fit on the cart? You want me to spend another $30-$40 for stuff that easily could have been put on the cart before production? This is just a case of "how can we maximize milking our customer". |
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Forum Posts: 105 | Comment #40 by hotdogenigma Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 11:08:35 AM | |
| They're still going to do it, they just won't tell anyone about it. So all you suckers will think it's downloaded content, but it'll still come off the disk. Just a hunch, Capcom is just trying to appease people and lying is the best way to do it. |
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Forum Posts: 257 | Comment #41 by Lonegunman718 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 11:12:51 AM | |
| game disk should be filled with the content for the retail release or left empty...its called dlc DOWNloadable Content for a reason. |
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Forum Posts: 445 | Comment #42 by MoldyClay87 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 12:06:11 PM | |
They're trying to save their asses for the fact Dragon's Dogma will clearly have on-disc DLC. Is anything else besides RE6 coming this year from them? I can't remember.
I know RE6 will probably have all the retailer-exclusive Mercenaries maps as on-disc DLC, but I wonder what other stuff will come and if it will all be on the disc or not.
The original point of DLC was stuff that was thought up later or something fans wanted (like requested characters), then it became stuff that simply didn't make it to the disc either because of size (although this can NEVER be an excuse with multiplatform games on PS3, because it has way more space than the 360) or time (i.e., they'd have to delay the game).
Putting incomplete parts of DLC isn't as big of a deal, such as having icons ready or something, because that plays into things that didn't make it in time and they make it more compatible.
The problem is when they put the entire DLC on the disc. You paid for the disc and all of its content, they completed the DLC ahead of time. They can't pull bullshit like "We had no choice!" because, you could've just as easily not made DLC. It's not a requirement. You created the problem for yourselves, Capcom.
In any case, we'll have to see what kind of re-evaluating they do. It could potentially get worse.
@#40 - They didn't tell anyone about it with past games either. They only confirmed it after fans dug through the game's code and found that it was already on the disc and available to use. It's not like they could deny it when people were playing Pacman on the 360 version.
So if Capcom continued to do this, everyone would still know.
But I do agree that they are just trying to get people off their case for a while. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #43 by SG1 Warsquatch Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 12:29:55 PM | |
| That screen shot is bad ass. As greedy as they are Capcom does a good job with graphics and art. |
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Forum Posts: 146 | Comment #44 by Ephidel Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 01:38:10 PM | |
Whilst it's true that Capcom will still produce "DLC" during game development which will then be released later as full downloadable packets rather than them being on the disc, I believe that this is still the better option.
Sure, if the "DLC" was on the disc, it'd make things simpler, but in my opinion, it's the principle that matters. If they continued to do "on disc DLC", how long before they (and other companies like them) start to charge for "additional" content that was part of the "original" game? To clarify, how will we (the consumers) be able to distinguish between what was or is supposed to be the "main game" itself and what is the alledged DLC?
At least now they'll have to release what they consider to be a full game with DLC added later. That means that we will be able to tell if they're intentionally stripping down their core games only to sell you the extra later, or if they are genuinely making DLC (ie additional content that falls outside of the original game experience) to expand upon the main game itself.
I hope that made sense. |
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Forum Posts: 136 | Comment #45 by fohf Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 02:26:04 PM | |
"The decision to include some additional (but not all planned additional) game content for the game on disc was made at the beginning of the game's development cycle..."
So that means you chose some content to be locked out then? Cause the excuse I keep hearing from developer is that they work on the DLC after all the other stuff is done, but Capcom just admitted they planned the "DLC" right from the start and even started developing it parallel with the "full game." |
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Forum Posts: 192 | Comment #46 by DOA_Rose Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 02:32:55 PM | |
| If Capcom really cares about their fans, they'll at least drastically reduce the cost of the unlock key and fucking bring back Mega Man ( unless Inafune can get the rights as creator. Then Capcom can fuck off ) |
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Forum Posts: 133 | Comment #47 by Jack Pumpkinhed Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 02:57:42 PM | |
As much as a dick move as on disc DLC is, they're still going to do essentially the same "business as usual" practice. Except instead of unlocking something that's on the disc, you'll be paying 1600 MSP and waiting for it to DL. They're still going to make it before the game is released and they will "release it" for download within a week of release.
So essentially, this does nothing but eliminate the content from being delivered via disc as opposed to via download.
What a victory.
It would have been better if they said they won't do day one DLC either way, and that all content available at time of release goes into the full game.
PS. It's not just Capcom. Mass Effect 3 and Batman: Arkham City also had on disc locked content |
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Forum Posts: 173 | Comment #48 by Blue Thunder28 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 03:37:48 PM | |
It'll be the same thing just more effort for the consumer (waiting for the content to download). >:(
Their policy should be cram as much into the game as you reasonably can like the good ole days. |
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Forum Posts: 199 | Comment #49 by ViNyLek Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 03:49:14 PM | |
| So no bunch of dumbasses that cried a lot will turn into happy face? I don't want to be the one saying it, but what he's pretty much saying that instead of locking DLC on dics and harginf for it, we will make and keep the code and then release to you at later dates. You will buy it happy with your 300MB size as opposed to 500KB, but it will be essentially same thing. Only difference is you will wait longer to donwload it LOL |
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Forum Posts: 44 | Comment #50 by Solomon Fuere Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 04:13:27 PM | |
Nothing will change. Capcom is dead.
There are heroes left in man. |
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Forum Posts: 281 | Comment #51 by ronnie42 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 04:17:22 PM | |
| When will they learn disc content shouldn't be counted as dlc?, they force us to pay for something we already have is a scam. |
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Forum Posts: 136 | Comment #52 by BoxNerd Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 04:19:06 PM | |
| CrapCon can suck my dick, they ain't getting no more of my money. |
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Forum Posts: 2084 | Comment #53 by mjc0961 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 05:08:02 PM | |
| Too bad they'll "fix" it the wrong way. Rather than giving people this content for their original $60 as it should be, they'll just make you download it later. So fuck off Capcom, I still won't be buying any more of your shit. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #54 by cog19684 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 07:04:33 PM | |
| Umm did everyone forget about re5's mp mode for 5 bucks already being on disk |
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Forum Posts: 404 | Comment #55 by conel33 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 07:39:06 PM | |
| So now we will have to download the DLC and store it on our Hard Drive instead of just already having it there to access on the disk. This is beneficial in so many ways... |
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Forum Posts: 4 | Comment #56 by Kitsune666 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 10:14:40 PM | |
I think that putting a said "DLC" on a disc is just a plain robbery. It's Already on the disc. By purchasing the game, we should be getting 100% of the game. Otherwise, I think it would be only fair to not pay the whole game price. Fair should be fair. If we're not getting the full game, they shouldn't be getting the full sale price. What happened to making a quality game? its all about milking $$$. Believe me, there was no DLC content on Snes Cartridges, no DLC for Playstation2 games. Everybody was fine with that. It was a complete game. Nothing hidden. If it was a good game- awesome, if it was crap- it was crap. But it was a 100% of awesome/crap. Nothing more or less. And if they DO decide to release a DLC content, it should be a decent chunk of data, not just couple of Megabytes of data allowing you to access new weapons and missions. No. It should be a quality story and new places, something that adds to the game. It should be on an actual disc. If it was made like that, and it made a great game extend it's playability and fun- I'd have no problem handing over my money. Otherwise- its scam.
Sorry for the rant. |
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Forum Posts: 1 | Comment #57 by Andy the Black Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 10:30:31 PM | |
| Sorry, but that's total bs. All they're doing is not putting DLC on the disc. They will still be charging for what is still essentially content held back from the main game for release as DLC. So we're still only getting 90% of the game. |
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Forum Posts: 29 | Comment #58 by crunchb3rry Tuesday, May 15, 2012 @ 11:13:16 PM | |
| "Re-evaluating" means "We'll still do it, but only charge and arm. You can keep the leg." |
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Forum Posts: 39 | Comment #59 by MasterGazelle Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 02:29:41 AM | |
12 characters costing1600 MSP each? That's 19200 MSP of D.isc L.oaded C.ontent. There are games, that are developed, within certain budgets, to be delivered into the market in the ballpark of the norm for pricing. We as consumers expect to be paying in that ballpark for a complete product, which has not been cut down, held back, or shrunk, so that we can charged more to bring them upto to proper size. If the Devs & publishers have the time and recources to crate this stuff in the normal time and budget that is requisite before the over runs break the cost effectiveness, then it would have previously been part of the main product. On disc extra content and day one dlc that has to be payed for, tells us consumers that they are holding back part of the product in order to double dip into our pockets. if it is developed before release of the retail disc it should be part of our original purchase at no extra cost. That way we can better appraise the comparison between cost and size, & refuse to purchase artificially small products unless there's a smaller price to refect that.
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Forum Posts: 561 | Comment #60 by TheLastAntidote Wednesday, May 16, 2012 @ 08:05:16 PM | |
| I agree with what many of you are saying in that they'll probably still keep up with this bullshit practice, except they'll just make it downloadable to fool the idiots that believe they might've changed their practice to take the heat off of them. Much of gaming these days is going to hell in a hand basket. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #61 by meca89 Tuesday, May 22, 2012 @ 12:54:46 AM | |
| #7 stole the words from my mouth |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #62 by CountDyce Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 01:27:50 AM | |
| Dragon's Dogma is a great game, and the disc-locked content is exactly what Capcom said it would be, extra stuff players have the option of unlocking. This would be so much bigger of an issue if the disc-locked content was something as big as, say, Dawnguard for Skyrim. I don't see why people bitch at paying extra for content that a) doesn't change the game in a huge way and b) is completely optional. It's not important, you aren't missing anything crucial, shut up and let them develop the crap and don't buy it. The most you'll miss is costumes and hairstyles. |
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Forum Posts: 170 | Comment #63 by Zumato Wednesday, June 13, 2012 @ 07:10:41 PM | |
@62
I believe it's more about feeling cheated than anything. When players pay $60 for a game, they expect to have full access to all of that game's content on the disc. The actually size of the content is irrelevant. I like to compare it to buying a car, then having to pay extra to have access to the trunk.
My problem is that the time, resources, disc space could have been used to improve the actual game.
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