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Portal 2

GDC 2012: Valve on Sequels: “You Don’t Have To Be A Slave To The Original”
Written Wednesday, March 07, 2012 By Dan Webb
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At Valve’s Portal 2 talk at GDC this afternoon, amusingly titled “Creating a Sequel to a Game That Doesn’t Need One,” Valve writers Chet Faliszek and Erik Wolpaw reflected on their time with Portal 2 and how they went about developing a sequel to the popular original.

“When we tightened the Portal training arc, we still needed something more to entertain returning players,” said Faliszek. “Some of what we did was merely cosmetic,  for example… here’s the Portal 1 elevators, then take a look at the Portal 2 elevators and you’ll see that somehow destroying Aperture Science gave us all new elevators with video screens around them that showed cool little transition movies.”

“There’s no logical reason we have new elevators, but players never questioned it and so our thought was, you don’t have to be a slave to the original, as long as you’re improving it, players won’t care.”

Wolpaw elaborated that point slightly further saying that it doesn’t really matter what you do, you can’t please everyone anyway.

“Richard [Lord, a Valve animator] is a super, super duper smart guy… he designs and animates all the iconographic animations that you see in the elevators and that was in some of our advertising.”

“He’s got a nice voice that people like to listen to. People liked his voice enough that when our first Merchant session got delayed a month, right before E3 where we could debut Portal [2], we thought, “What the hell we’ll just play the Richard audio!” People liked it. People liked it so much that when we got world-class comedic actor, Stephen Merchant in there, there was this small but very vocal section of our fan base that was livid – they wanted Richard back.”

“At the end of the day, that’s kind of a micro cause of the whole problem with sequels,” continued Wolpaw, “With nothing to compare it to, the first version of anything can pretty much stand alone, but once you put a replacement in there there’s going to be someone that prefers it. It’s the law of sequels. You just can’t win no matter what you do. Well, you can win, but you can’t have a flawless victory.”

I think it’s fair to say Portal 2 was a flawless victory though, right? Who the hell cares about the cake!




 
 

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Comment #1 by LickableLemons7
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 10:11:04 PM
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Trust in pie.


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Comment #2 by EL MACHO46
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 10:12:52 PM
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Portal 2 is indeed a flawless victory. Half Life Episode 3, on the other hand, will be a Double Flawless victory


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Comment #3 by DeadMan634
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 10:16:13 PM
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Left 4 Dead 3 please :)


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Comment #4 by Bastado
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 10:24:41 PM
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I want another Team Fortress. One of the best times I've had on Live! I'm also lookin foward to CS on xbla. Bring it Valve!


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Comment #5 by Killa12
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 10:27:45 PM
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I want another orange box that includes

1. half life 3
2. new TF
3. whatever they want to make


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Comment #6 by Bongo Bongo347
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 10:30:01 PM
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Anything fro valve makes me happy.


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Comment #7 by Zoron
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 10:39:49 PM
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Valve doesnt understand the concept of the number 3. They are stuck on 2. Half life 2, Portal 2 , Left 4 Dead 2, TF2,


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Comment #8 by Nihlus87
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 10:43:35 PM
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Oh i think some Valve 3's will come down the production line, and be well worth the wait.


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Comment #9 by strawberry
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 11:11:30 PM
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Comment #11 by DEG23
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 11:29:09 PM
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Glad to see a company that has the potential to focus on new IP's and not resort to a long line of sequels. Valve definitely sits towards the top of my fav developers list.


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Comment #12 by manmandoo
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 11:38:35 PM
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@7 thanks Captain Obvious, that was kinda the point of the article.


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Comment #13 by guy298
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 11:42:10 PM
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@9 I can't here you, speak up.
@10 Be more like #9.


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Comment #14 by guy298
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 11:46:18 PM
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I care about the cake... *Sobs*


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Comment #15 by WartyHogger
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 11:54:10 PM
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I would see no point in another Team Fortress, it'd just be more maps, which they could easily add in Team Fortress 2.


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Comment #16 by ViolentCabaret
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 12:19:00 AM
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Good for them.


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Comment #17 by Infomouse
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 12:20:12 AM
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They don't have to be slaves to the original, but they better get some running shoes to escape the angry mob of fans waiting for the next Half-Life expansion.

Ya'll bring ya pitchforks!!


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Comment #18 by lornesbored
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 01:17:59 AM
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the cake is a lie.


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Comment #19 by Tommo
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 01:26:41 AM
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i would love it if they brought out the original half life for xbla.


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Comment #20 by Delow317
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 01:45:08 AM
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Fuck you Gabe.. Your company, your service and your games. I've boycotted your trash ever since you made the PS3 the lead development platform for this gen. You are a fat hippocrite, and you flip flop more than Michael Dukakis. First you fucking say PS3 is a train wreck, then you are sucking sonys nutz in your mouth. You fucking walking contradiction, the orange box was the last game I'll ever buy from your shitty pc centric development house. You can personally kiss my ass along with Electronic Arts and Rockstar. I don't buy your bullshit anymore. And since I am not a pc gamer whatsoever, I'll never have to use your fucking service either.

End Rant.


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Comment #21 by XxMayhemxX
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 01:49:20 AM
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Here we go... This would be f'ing sweet!! like cake...

Orange Box 2(to fit in with the idea of 2.. not 3..)
And that sequels must be flawless victories..

In the Orange Box 2, we will get a fresh.. newly textured and meshed version of Halflife 1.. plus the original, as is.
Half Life 2: Episode 3
Portal 2 maps...
L4D3...
Team Fortress maps.. No new team fortress.. tho new maps for 2.

But then again.. the cake is a lie...


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Comment #22 by zarda1
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 02:04:08 AM
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of all the games i'd like to hear valve talk about portal 2 is not one of them. couldn't ask more of it. on the other hand there are a lot of questions about other titles..


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Comment #23 by Nitnoid
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 02:47:33 AM
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@9, I'm pretty sure I THINK I know what you're talking about, BUT, could you be a little more specific please?


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Comment #24 by MoldyClay87
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 02:59:35 AM
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I don't know that I'd call it a flawless victory. I loved Portal 2 and it was a better game overall than Portal 1 as far as I am concerned, but I also felt like I plowed through it, and it was really just "more of the same, but better" in most of the puzzles.

I feel like Portal 2 got way more praise than it honestly deserved and was honestly shocked that places like Kotaku named it "Game of the Year".

Having said that, I am not trying to put it down at all. Like I said, I loved the campaign, I loved co-op, I loved the story and the random dialogue and getting some of the more "out there" achievements and I thought it more or less lived up to and surpassed the original in many aspects.

@#12 - What article are you reading? That's not what this is about at all.



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Comment #25 by Peter W
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 03:10:17 AM
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I would laugh if they did do their 'steambox' idea, or whatever it is, and then have a new version of each of their games as a console release game. That would be one way to guarentee it sells!


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Comment #26 by ScottlinDLR
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 03:46:41 AM
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Two words Half Life. Team Fortress is fine where it's at, Left 4 Dead was meh, and I have yet to even beat Portal 2. Let's bring on the next Half Life.


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Comment #27 by Stormy2k
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 04:38:43 AM
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Forget Portal 3 and L4D 3, where is Half Life Part 3??!!


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Comment #28 by Captain Aldred
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 05:10:32 AM
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I really don't see where the obsession for Half Life has come from, I will say I haven't actually played either, but L4D, wow. What a franchise? If they were to expand on such an awesome idea, so money companies just don't involve, whereas between me and my mates, when L4D came out there was NOTHING better than playing a bit o' coop L4D on a friday night.

More L4D Valve. I beseech thee.


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Comment #29 by RDrules
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 05:57:12 AM
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@20 3 isnt their lead platform the PC is and the only reason they use it more for consoles is they can do what they want with it rather than having to play constantly with microsofts rules


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Comment #30 by EliteShadowMan
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 06:02:14 AM
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@29 there needs to Be a new half-life before left 4 dead. There's been 2 l4ds since the last half-life and that game ended on a cliffhanger sort of....so they better hurry up! Its almost been 5 years now!


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Comment #31 by Caramel Cardinal
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 06:34:53 AM
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i personally want more portal 2 dlc, i loved the peer review, shame we can't get level editor on xbox
i'll be honest he talks about the lift, i noticed the change and loved the video screens, if however they'd had them in portal 1 and then put the portal 1 lifts in protal 2 i'd have been a bit pissed off so it's all good :D


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Comment #32 by AgentOrange330
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 07:26:21 AM
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@ 20 - Can we get a show of hands of how many people actually know who Michael Dukakis is?


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Comment #33 by IceBlox
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 07:28:35 AM
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left 4 dead 3 all the way!!!!


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Comment #34 by Slayinfool
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 08:00:24 AM
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Portal 2 was my GOTY!


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Comment #35 by Opayk
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 08:25:33 AM
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A lot of developers should learn from this. You don't always need sequels. Anything past ' 2' is usually pointless and improves nothing.


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Comment #36 by frankumms
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 10:22:49 AM
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did miss the cake, still a solid game


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Comment #37 by W I L L 3 R S
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 11:12:00 AM
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Honestly Valve are the Best Gaming Creators:
1) They Actually listen to the Community.
2) All there games are really Good and really fun to play.
3) They created Steam for us for Gaming on the PC.

I just love them, But wishing they would make a 3rd game of a series.
Left 4 Dead 3
Portal 3
Half-Life 3
:)


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Comment #38 by aosiding
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 11:48:05 AM
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Well if Valve is stuck at the number 2, at least they can make The Orange Box 2 lol


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Comment #39 by Delow317
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 04:52:47 PM
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@ 37 I beg to differ, Not of those games you mentioned struck me as good. Not a single one.

@ 32 You just proved to me that you are a child, and probably a reflection of the age demographic of this community. If you don't know who Michael Dukakis was, I suggest going back a few presidential elections to see the striking similiarity between him and the obese Gabe Newal.

@ 29, Of course the PC is the lead development platform in the end. But the PC as a gaming platform doesn't even exist in my world because I play consoles exclusively. Sorry but I have no intrest to game on the computer bro, way too many cons in my opinion.

Either way, I still stand by what I said, the PS3 is the lead development platform on consoles. And seeing how flawed the PS3 really is in terms of the competition (I've owned a Wii, PS3, and 360 all since launch btw) I find that insulting enough to me as an xbox gamer, never to support the company again.

We are all entitled to our opinions and so am I.


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Comment #40 by Jaques9843
Thursday, March 08, 2012 @ 08:36:15 PM
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*generic compliment verbally sucking Valve's dick*

Just fittin' in :)


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Comment #41 by Geordiefly
Friday, March 09, 2012 @ 07:27:47 AM
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As long as I get more of Portal then I'm happy.

Portal 3
Portal 2 DLC

I don't care, I thoroughly enjoyed Portal 2 and would love to buy an expansion pack to add to both single and co-op campaigns.

Even if they ditch the stuck in a lab with a crazy computer approach and make it in a different setting, with a different background, with different people, I would still be happy!! Just keep the fun attitude and the main concept and I'd buy again! (and again, and again!)

We need more of this style of game (I do anyways...)


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Comment #42 by FuriousAli007
Friday, March 09, 2012 @ 08:04:29 AM
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Half Life 2 Episode 3 !


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Comment #43 by W I L L 3 R S
Friday, March 09, 2012 @ 12:08:26 PM
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@39

Your just a Troll, With Horrific Opinions.
Just Delete your Comment, No one wants to Read it.
Replying to multiple people at once too.. i bet your some Major Nerd with no job + Life.
Accurate? i think so.


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Comment #44 by Delow317
Friday, March 09, 2012 @ 05:17:11 PM
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@ 43, I think you're a fucking nerd just for using geek speak like the term "Troll". My opinions are simply more realistic than your Valve PC loving cock riding persona.

Accurate about someone you don't even know? Hardly kid, I'd like to see you MAN UP AND DISCUSS THIS OVER LIVE SOMETIME.

oH, I forgot, that's right, little pastey faced nerds like yourself only debate with text like some high school slut. I think that's your entire generation in a nuttshell kid.


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Comment #45 by Delow317
Friday, March 09, 2012 @ 05:26:10 PM
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Seriously a FORUM NERD calling someone else a nerd because of an opinion? I bet you got your scrawney little ass kicked in high school alot. Oh, and enjoy those two vm's I sent you. You're simply another coward on a cocksucking message board that is incapable of backing up his own words and beliefs face to face or even much less, over the MIC on XBL. Send me a party chat if you dare, and we can discuss my horrific opinions and your Valve cock riding. Anytime kid, anytime.. :)


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Comment #46 by ScaRy ShiZniT
Saturday, March 10, 2012 @ 07:53:00 AM
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#45 you sound like a ray of sunshine.


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Comment #47 by Delow317
Saturday, March 10, 2012 @ 04:50:24 PM
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@ 46

Thanks man, this kid Willers, thinks he represents everyone with that statement, "No one cares", yet I respect everyone's opinions on here. I swear the reason why I generally don't get along with most pc gamers is because of people like that.

Anyhow not sure if you were being sarcastic or sincere, but either way I'm sick and tired of pc centric people bringing their shit into bullshit arguements that have no place in a console discussion. Thats right, Steam, has no place in a console discussion.

As far as my hate for Valve goes, it's alot like my hate for HIP HOP... just another thing I eventually grew out of. And to be quite honest, Valve is the one company that is most likely not to care about their console ports and it shows. Anyone ever play Half Life 2 on the XBOX 1? That game was a trainwreck, completely unplayable, and don't even get me started on the PS3 version of the orange box... what a disaster..

Personally I have much more respect for ID, they don't flip flop and atleast they take some pride in their console ports.



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Comment #48 by eiVaL
Sunday, March 11, 2012 @ 04:59:27 AM
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thats funny considering L4D2 was essentially nothing more than a map pack with 4 completely interchangeable/forgettable character types and the same boring campaign.


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Comment #49 by Delow317
Tuesday, March 13, 2012 @ 01:53:03 AM
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Just as I thought, that little bitch never messaged me, and never replied... Chicken shit bitch bred, 21st century digital boy.


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Comment #50 by eternaldark006
Wednesday, March 28, 2012 @ 05:23:07 PM
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@ 48 you seem to forget the introduction of melee weapons and new special infected. You know you have waited all your life to have a jockey jump on your head in realism and pull you around a corner to your death every damn time you see one.


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