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Reports of the Death of Consoles Are Greatly Exaggerated
Reports of the Death of Consoles Are Greatly Exaggerated
Written Tuesday, July 10, 2012 By Lee Bradley
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Are consoles really a dying breed? An increasing number of industry players and pundits think so. Everyone from Crytek to David Jaffe and a million mobile developers (surprise!) say that this next generation will be the last. But save that space under your TV, because we reckon there’s life in consoles yet. 

The way games are made, delivered and consumed is changing more rapidly than at any other point in the industry’s history. As a result, some of the old ways of doing business will cease to exist. That much is inevitable. But many of the arguments employed by the naysayers are flawed. 

The rise in popularity of mobile gaming, the decline of retail and the emergence of streaming technology will change the gaming landscape forever, yet none of these advances can challenge what consoles do best. We love our games machines and we’re not going to let them go. Here’s why.

The Mobile Threat

Mobile gaming is on the rise. On smart phones and tablets, across Android, iOS and Windows Phone, mobile games have never been so popular, delivering cheaper, more accessible experiences to an install base that dwarfs that of consoles.

Add the blistering pace of technological advance and soon we’ll be looking at mobile devices that outstrip the power of consoles. Really soon. But does that mean consoles are going to die? Of course not.

The truth is that mobile gaming isn’t a real competitor to console gaming. It’s a complimentary platform rather than a competitive one. Sure, parts of the market overlap, but would you pick Zenonia 3 over Skyrim? N.O.V.A 3 over Halo? How about Real Racing 2 HD over Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit? More than likely not.

Mobile games can’t match consoles for depth of experience, nor fidelity of control. They’re compromised. Titles such as Dead Space iOS and Mass Effect Infiltrator may look like their console big brothers, but they certainly don’t play the same. Touch screen controls, just like Kinect and motion controls, are not designed to replace a controller, but to offer an alternative. For console games, they’re simply not good enough.

Core gamers will always prefer to play using a controller on a nice big HD screen, despite the extra cost and lack of portability. That won’t change. Put it this way, a SMART car may be smaller, more fuel-efficient and cheaper than an Aston Martin, but we know which one we’d rather own.

Cloud Gaming

Perhaps the biggest threat to consoles lies in the cloud. With Sony’s recent acquisition of game streaming service Gaikai and Microsoft’s assertion that it has been looking into streaming for years, many outlets presume this to be the final nail in the coffin of consoles. 

Streaming works by doing all the heavy lifting at server end, meaning that all you need is a reliable internet connection to run the most advanced and graphically impressive games on any device. With streaming, new consoles with improved abilities simply aren’t required. The next generation of hardware isn’t needed.

Except it is. Steaming gaming isn’t nearly at the stage where it can replace true console experiences. It’s compromised by lag, has compressed, blurry visuals and is at the mercy of your internet connection. And that’s if you even have an internet connection. In the US some areas don’t have broadband at all, while in the UK rural areas remain patchy. Even the best connected areas are occasionally blighted by drops in the service and bandwidth throttling.

Consoles are an attractive proposition because of their ease of use. You know that when you fire up a game on your console, it will work. Everything you need is in one place, without the need for driver updates, a new graphics card or any unnecessary fiddling. It’s immediate, you can just dive straight into the action. A streaming-only future cannot guarantee this.

Then there’s the subject of Smart TVs. Even with the digital infrastructure needed to stream games through your television without compromise, there’s no suggestion that they will replace consoles. Such an argument overestimates the willingness of consumers to upgrade to a piece of tech twice as expensive as a console. Your average household replaces its TV every seven years and many do not even own HD sets yet. For console makers market penetration is essential, so a future where smart TVs are ubiquitous is a long, long way off.

Most importantly, Sony and Microsoft do not intend to chuck years of work out of the window in favour of streaming. They’ve established a successful model of diversification and it’s far more likely that we’ll see them implement streaming alongside their current services, not instead of them. Make no mistake, streaming is a huge advance, but it’s another method, not the only method.

The Death of Retail

Stores are closing and sales of boxed retail products are dipping, a situation currently exacerbated by the tail end of the console cycle. As a result, creating traditional, prohibitively expensive disc-based games is an increasingly unattractive proposition for developers and consumers alike. Smaller, cheaper, digitally distributed games are the only viable alternative.

Furthermore, in the UK last year, the top five best-selling games across PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 accounted for 40 per cent of the entire market. What this means is that if developers aren’t trading blows with the big boys, then they’re fighting over leftovers. Consoles aren’t an attractive platform anymore.

Except they are. The truth is that as long as the rewards for success remain so high, publishers will always chase that pot of gold, even if the rainbow is wrapped in barbed wire and dunked in Leprechaun shit. When series like Call of Duty are smashing global entertainment records, delivering high-cost, high production value games to unprecedented numbers of people, why abandon the most effective mode of delivery?

The retail model of physical media may be on its way out, but doesn’t mean that the experiences delivered on those discs is in decline too. Gamers still need a state-of-the-art machine capable of handling expansive, cutting-edge titles, and consoles remain the easiest way to consume them. 

It’s also worth bearing in mind that smaller, digitally-distributed titles have also found a home on PSN and Xbox Live. These past few months have delivered Journey and Minecraft, PlayStation Network and Xbox Live titles that have broken records on their respective platforms. There’s a huge upswing in digital games. All this accentuates the relevance of consoles rather than points to their death.

Consoles are diversifying, delivering a range of big and small games alongside entertainment experiences like movies, music, TV and web services in a variety of ways. With this in mind the dwindling retail market is an irrelevance. No longer a dedicated games machine, a console is an entertainment hub. It’s the only box you need beneath your TV. Disc-based games are in decline, but they’re an increasingly small part of what consoles do.





 
 

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Comment #1 by GRIM REAPER 25
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 07:42:14 AM
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fuck mobile games they will nvr compare 2 console games :)
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Comment #2 by Akatsuki Sw1tch
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 07:47:06 AM
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This next generation will probably be my last anyway due to everything going digital only & no physical product = no purchase.

I also enjoy a little bit of gaming on my mobile phone, But very few titles work properly on a touch screen, I've found personally puzzle/strategic games seem to work ok but for everything else give me a joypad any day, In my eyes gaming is slowly declining anyway with more & more average titles pumped out every year & getting crushed under a weight of sequels that seemingly get worse as they go on i'll be quite happy to step away from gaming within the next decade.


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Comment #3 by Trendin
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 09:03:56 AM
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I like to buy stuff physical! I like getting the stupid limited edition case and extras. Also just so I can stare at all my games on the rack. I will always feel more comfortable with a controller.
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Comment #4 by eternal123
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 09:32:58 AM
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consoles will never die their will always be a console dosent matter who its from their will always be a console just because everything is going digital dosent mean that their wont be consoles


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Comment #5 by z3r0SHADOW
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:19:43 AM
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#5 wut?


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Comment #6 by Scotty
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 11:59:04 AM
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i'll never give my console up in favour of a little hand-held. i only use the 20 or so games on my phone, either when i'm having a shit or during brew time at work. i just dont see how anyone can enjoy looking down on a small screen for extended periods. to me mobile gaming fills gaps in your day, when you're waiting for something, but console gaming is a hobby/interest that i plan for/around.


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Comment #7 by Sabre45
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:08:22 PM
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I do sometimes worry what is happening in the gaming industry, especially when you know what it was like 10 years ago. I do agree with this article, I mean mobile gaming is only good for a quick 5-10 minutes here and there.

But what worried me was reading the retail decrease, I mean it's good games are selling, but when the best five games take 40% of the market, that isn't good news for some companies.

However I have notice that the arcade seems to be improving more quality games. Don't get me wrong I do prefer disc games, but sometimes I wonder if it better for games to be made like this, for smaller businesses that is.

I'm not saying I want to see games being made like this, but when you look at the retail sales, does make you wonder if this is the only way for smaller businesses. Still if that were to happen on a large device, you basically have a big box which downloads games... good-bye past :(


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Comment #8 by finallife6
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:40:18 PM
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The reason retail games are "dying" is due to the fact that many games are as long as their mobile counterparts and frankly its another battle of 1$ to 60$. Release newer games at cheaper price points = more intrest from the consumer, i dont like buying games brand new due to the fact they are cheaper quick, Lollipop Chainsaw already went down 20$ the week after is was out here in Canada


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Comment #9 by jamie1000013
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 12:58:29 PM
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I don't really have much to say because Lee basically nailed all of the pros and cons of the alternative's to console gaming. I don't believe consoles will ever be pushed out entirely because Mobile games are just that for playing when you can't get to your console lol.

These streaming services won't catch on anytime soon I don't imagine. The prospect of buying/renting (Or however it works) loads of games and then not being able to play them when your connection plays up is too much.



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Comment #10 by Arron114
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 01:33:07 PM
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Nice read that Lee. Balanced arguments are defiantly your thing; I smell a history degree of some sort?

Anyway that enough praise.

I think one major exaggeration of the aforementioned platforms of gaming are that core gamers don’t actually use them, they are an extension of gaming used by people who don’t really game as hobby , more as a past time. The game boy was one of my first consoles but purely because I couldn’t afford anything else. From there I went to a commodore, master system, mega drive, playstation.

That was the turning point, the playstation. You either persuade your love of games into the next generation or petered along and enjoyed them as a past time. Obviously all of us on here went into the next generation and beyond.

My History degree into consideration, the point I’m making is we see these platforms as a threat, they are not, and they are an extension. The wii harboured in extra millions of casual gamers these methods purely facilitate those people. If we think the gaming industry is going to shrink and frazzle off, we need only take a step back to the time when there wasn’t such a huge buzz around gaming, when we didn’t have premiership footballers endorsing products and we didn’t have an elusive voice over cast. And we coped, hell we fucking loved it. So let these other mediums flourish, let people enjoy them we aren’t under threat but if we keep going on it about, it will surely wind us up.

If the money goes into these things , so be it. But the heart will stay in true console gaming.


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Comment #11 by sweatdog
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 01:56:26 PM
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Another thing that could nip cloud gaming in the bud is the coming controls on bandwidth use. Cable companies are desperate to start metering DSL usage to penalize those who ditch cable and satellite in favor of online streaming. This will also penalize those who rely on the internet to play online, download games and content, and of course it will greatly inhibit the consumer's ability to play games from an online server.


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Comment #12 by Mcmax3000
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 02:57:39 PM
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@#11 - You hit the nail on the head there. Bandwidth caps. That's why game streaming isn't going to take off anytime soon. I only have 60GB per month for my bandwidth limit. I can barely stream much SD video on my 360 each month. I'm certainly not subscribing to a streaming gaming service anytime soon.

I think consoles will die if they don't adapt, which at least Microsoft seems to be doing. They need to offer more than just the $60 gaming experience. They need to offer other entertainment experiences (music, movies, TV shows, etc), and they need to offer a variety of gaming experiences from causal to hardcore.

I think that's one of the big reasons the 360 is doing so well right now. They're offering that range of experiences. The PS3 does as well, but Sony is really only putting a focus on the hardcore gaming experience, and not really showcasing the casual gaming, and entertainment experiences, so a lot of people don't realize that Sony has those as well.


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Comment #13 by Silverbolt5
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 05:18:49 PM
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GAME was one good store I could walk in and chat with the staff about upcoming games and get more info about the collector's edition that I had Pre-ordered.


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Comment #14 by WEBHEAD 7
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 05:31:55 PM
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consoles are trying to adapt alright, and that's why the dashboard is now littered with ads and apps. trade my beloved gaming sessions on my big screen in for gaming sporadically throughout the day on a screen that fits in my pocket..? who thinks this stuff up? games going digital download is all good, and i enjoy some xbla games for sure, but there is always going to be a market for limited edition statues, art books.. etc. i mean, if you can't buy an edition of the game that comes with those things, are you really going to head to a specialty store to buy them after your download completes?


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Comment #15 by Killbomb
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 05:32:48 PM
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I only play the casual games like Words on my iPhone. Tried a few shooters and such but the touch screen controls were way too clumsy to me.


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Comment #16 by eiVaL
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 05:34:24 PM
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even at the PS2's hight of greatness only 100 million consoles were sold total,,,i know i had to buy 3 within that period cause of driver wear'n'tear

theres 7 billion people in the world and im sure alot more than just 100 million own cell phones, its simple math, 2 different mediums.

which is why the Wii or handheld games and the Kinect/Move-required games are irrelevant when trying to talk Console gaming


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Comment #17 by eiVaL
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 05:36:32 PM
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the xbox came in late and was completely new compared to the PS2, but i garuntee if you add up the numbers, the PS3 and 360 numbers either match or are higher than the total number of gamers who had PS2s and Xbox 1s

if THOSE numbers are dramatically lower, u can talk about console death


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Comment #18 by PSYCHOxCHIBI
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 08:56:23 PM
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"Core gamers will always prefer to play using a controller on a nice big HD screen"

Amen

@11: True. True.


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Comment #19 by Pat Bezo
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 09:22:11 PM
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I'll probaly get thumbs down for this, but it's times like this I'm glad Nintendo is still around. At least their TRYING to think of something in the middle.

The Wii, a machine that plays games and movies (Netflix) in standard definition and has practically no online features and limited streaming, managed to outsell its 2 competitors with said features. While I won't argue its glut of games for a casual audience, I don't want to hear the BS that it doesn't have a library for "hardcore" gamers. I'm noticing a lot of third-party developers announcing games for the Wii U. If the future of video games is "No Console, No Disc, free-to-play download only" Then why is the sales leader going down the more traditional path with new companies in tow? They'd have no need to invent "a propietary format that rivals Blu-ray storage capacity (paraphrase)" If they thought it was going the way of the Dodo. (CONTINUED)


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Comment #20 by Pat Bezo
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 09:43:19 PM
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An idea I had was make the consoles with the capibility to burn any game you downloaded onto a disc, But 1-time only. They could sell the case, insructions and Blank disc for people like me either at stores or order online.(extra for Collector Editions). Blank Discs of games not sold after a games run can be returned and redistributed by the stores for another game's run. Once a game today is made, it needs to be sold as such or its no good.

Just an idea, Thx 4 lettin off my chest, outta here.


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Comment #21 by JGar77
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:20:57 PM
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Mobile gaming isn't enjoyable. The only three games I've played on my iPod Touch and really liked are Infinity Blade, Death Rally, and Solitaire. I just can't play with those touch controls, especially FPS. In fact, I don't even bother to check the App Store for gaming titles anymore because nine times outta ten, I know I probably won't enjoy them!

Is PC gaming becoming a threat to console gaming? I read somewhere that PC gaming is seeing a resurgence. Now, sterotypically, the PC gaming market is supposedly saturated with self-righteous douchebags who have expensive set-ups. But recently, I've just started playing games on my laptop due to convenience, with a below average graphics card, playing with my Xbox 360 controller. I don't currently have a TV to play my Xbox on, and I can't take my 'Box back and forth with me to college, so actually, playing on my laptop is more convenient than a console.


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Comment #22 by Hannibal king 88
Tuesday, July 10, 2012 @ 10:37:57 PM
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consols will never die phones r wak. an phone is to make phone calls not play games


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Comment #23 by Arron114
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 04:38:30 AM
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@19 the rabble don't usually come here , You're in good company !


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Comment #24 by Chumley
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 06:57:34 AM
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i don't know...did laptops make PCs obsolete? did PCs make TVs obsolete? and isn't vinyl still around?

people will always flock to new technology, but established ways , methods and habits don't disappear so easily (especially when they're profitable). let's wait and see what the industry/climate is like in another 8-10 years (maybe HL3 will be out by then)...

in the meantime, the release of halo 4, GTAV and blops 2 should cease the whining about dipping sales.


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Comment #25 by High Lord Sigma
Wednesday, July 11, 2012 @ 09:45:14 AM
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Thank you. Out of the many gaming journalists, you guys are some of the few who critically look at everything happening in the industry rather than cheerleading every single well-known developer and publisher out there, which far too many others are guilty of.

Anyway, people trumpeting streaming and other technologies smells like a self-fulfilling prophecy to me. They convince us that this is the way to go, we go along with it, and then they do it. I mean, it's like if the Oracle from the Matrix killed Neo right after telling him that either he or Morpheus would die in the first movie.


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Comment #26 by NJ x BaNdiT
Thursday, July 12, 2012 @ 01:34:50 PM
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I feel sorry for those who take mobile games seriously.


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Comment #27 by Dawgmuffin
Thursday, July 12, 2012 @ 05:23:14 PM
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I just hope that eventually people will decide that graphics aren't everything. The next console generation being the last could actually be a great thing in my opinion, but for different reasons. I really can imagine myself being satisfied with ONE console for my entire life, but the way I see it is developers move away from old generations, forcing you to upgrade if you want to play anything new. I want there to be a community that doesn't care about graphical advancements, and just enjoys new release after new release without feeling the need for better hardware. I wouldn't mind "console gaming" turning into that, and graphics whores all doing their thing on PCs. I know most people disagree, but I would've been 100% satisfied with graphics never improving over the PS2... I really don't care, I just want to play interesting new games.


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Comment #28 by Dawgmuffin
Thursday, July 12, 2012 @ 05:27:14 PM
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Haha looking back at the article, I think I got too caught up in 'PC vs console' thoughts, but I still feel like I made an important point. Much like Lee, I really don't see streaming or mobile gaming as a threat to consoles at all.


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Comment #29 by JGar77
Friday, July 13, 2012 @ 12:46:04 AM
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@28, that's why I asked if there were any statistics on PC gaming over the past few years--what you said is exactly how I, as a console gamer, imagined PC gaming: the platform to go to if you want to best graphics, the best set-up, online experience, etc, and are willing to make a hobby out of attaining those things. But I ended up just "playing interesting new games" on my laptop with a below average set-up (worse graphics than my Xbox), for the fun and convenience of it. Fun, ease, convenience are all reasons that consoles probably took off and gained in popularity, but with the average laptop now able to offer the same--or similar--experience, is PC a threat to consoles that was ignored in the article?

Obviously if it wasn't mentioned I'm exaggerating and assuming with absolutely no basis except personal experience, and maybe, just maybe, I should do the research myself rather than ask people in the comments section for stats :)


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Comment #30 by Dawgmuffin
Friday, July 13, 2012 @ 01:39:29 AM
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@29 Well you'd still have to upgrade your PC eventually, with games getting more and more graphically intensive. I'm just saying I would love for there to be a section of the gaming industry that doesn't care about technological advancements, the key ingredient being the continued support of developers that don't move on to fancier hardware. It might even lead to improved gameplay overall, since the developers wouldn't be putting so much effort into pushing the limits of the hardware. I think it would give them more breathing room to sit back and experiment with new gameplay mechanics. I just see graphical enhancements as an unnecessary excuse to shell out MUCH more money than you should really need to. I realize this is a little off-topic, but I can see that business model working very well if enough people accept the idea.


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Comment #31 by Kroesis
Friday, July 13, 2012 @ 03:51:57 AM
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For me, mobile gaming is for short time wasting, console gaming, regardless of digital or physical media, offers a full gaming experience and at the moment, much better controls.


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Comment #32 by napoearth
Friday, July 13, 2012 @ 09:35:36 AM
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Maybe the future, but not near future.


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Comment #33 by WartyHogger
Friday, July 13, 2012 @ 01:16:50 PM
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For online capability, it's pretty dead for me. Online passes are pretty pointless. If I buy the game I should be able to play it anywhere I want. Same with everything else I purchase. PC gaming is far better for things like that, I just use consoles for single-player games. I don't support the current trend in online gaming on the consoles.


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Comment #34 by Solomon Fuere
Friday, July 13, 2012 @ 06:47:50 PM
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The game industry needs to crash again. We're going in the wrong direction.

It has to be like it used to be. Better days.


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Comment #35 by RKR
Saturday, July 14, 2012 @ 06:46:24 AM
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I hope not.. i don't like the touch-screen moving system, it is too fiddly in my opinion. and if it will happen, it seems quite stupid people looking at an 10 inch screen playing video games with friends.


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Comment #36 by MATH3W MAGNUM77
Saturday, July 14, 2012 @ 08:08:29 AM
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I really do not like streaming gaming. You never get anything to show for your money. Sure the game is there on your digital library but call me a caveman and give me a plastic disk that I can write MY name on.


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Comment #37 by wmaverick
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 03:58:10 AM
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I love W.Phone Games, Mostly when I'm not at home. But oh dear!!! I have 2.545 Games at home from Atari to Xbox 360, having other awesome devices such as: Master Sistem, Master Sistem II, Megadrive, Turbo Grafx, Neo Geo, Nes, Super Nes, N64, DreamCast, Sega Saturn, Xbox, Play 2 and of course PC!!!

I love that Little DVD Case alphabetically ordered by console on our gaming Room! I love to See those HUGE Special Edition Boxes such as Gears of War 3 Epic edition and so on... I know... I'm a Freak and I don't Care, I love Gaming!

No more DVD Boxes and everytthing on Live codes???... Forget about R.Lozano Money pocket!


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Comment #38 by Astrex
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 05:40:09 AM
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I'm in marketing and the only reason why these articles pop up is yes Mobile gaming has gone through the roof in the figures and demographically everywhere but they always forget now more women play games! trust me everything is good for consoles if not better!


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Comment #39 by thisispreston
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:26:31 AM
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Worms is the only mobile game you need.


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Comment #40 by Laurence Barker
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 10:36:47 AM
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I'm confused. At first, people were excited about next-gen console and all of the technological advancements that they will bring. Now, there is exaggeration of the death of consoles. People need to make up their minds.
Me? I'm excited. I can't wait to be playing on my Xbox 720 on my 32-inch tv (Nothing bigger than that though, I'm not a snob :) ).


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Comment #41 by AirborneRichard
Sunday, July 15, 2012 @ 12:14:41 PM
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I think the future of the consoles not lay so much in the hands of those that buy them, but more in the hands of the companies that make them ;) why? Easy if Microsoft and Sony realy go for the streaming gamemarket or even as the rumors go bann the used game market by putting a code of some sort on a gamedisk that links it direct to your account and thus only can be used by you, in other words if you plan to sell the game it won,t play on any other console.
If gamestudios like Crytec and other complain they lossing money because of the used game market its just sad realy. Its would be basicly the same if car companies start saying that about the used cars market lol.
Not to mention the huge difference of playing on a full console or some handheld or tablet, its fun i admit but i def not would compare it with proper console gaming.
If however both Sony and Microsoft go thru with all the plans and rumors thats spreading the internet at this point, about getting rid of retail and only allow you to buy games directly on-line only, i,m sure it woudn,t be so bad if the prices are right but looking at todays games on demand and the prices there and compare them with my gamestore in the used game section the prices are way to high in games on demand. I think there is still life in the next gen consoles if the gentlemen behind it not ruin it by putting the banner on way to many things the gamers would hate.


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Comment #42 by Domi 233
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 02:12:13 AM
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@11 I'm pretty sure the rest of the world has had that for ages. I know Australia certainly has.


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Comment #43 by Blazman83
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 08:27:36 AM
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NOTHING will ever replace new game smell, reading the back of the case and booklet while on the way home to play it!


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Comment #44 by Ned King
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 09:48:08 AM
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@16 your completely correct,they had the same argument when music went to digital download.They said the CD is going to be scrapped but years later they are still going strong.The reason for this is human nature,people like to go into shops to but items,it makes you feel better to hold the item,read the instructions and buy it at the counter.Its like if someone gave U a game as a gift it feels better to hold it,if they downloaded it U wouldn't think U got anything.I mean is Santa going to download games for kids for Christmas lol.
U will always be able to buy CD's in shops because it just dosnt feel the same downloading them.


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Comment #45 by Crash
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 10:19:11 AM
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I only enjoy mobile games in short amounts like many here have said.
Then there are the nickle and dimeing games that require micro-transactions to even enjoy all the game has to offer. People who actually buy stuff for those games are helping to kill off consoles. Game companies make more money off the stupid people who have to buy everything and see more profit because of this. Just say NO people.
And as for digital download... Forget it. I would much rather "own" my games and have the physical disc. Not download it and be told I am only paying for the right to play the game until I lose my internet or have a console repaired. I have actually stopped buying a lot of DLC and waiting for it to be released as a GOTY just so I can have the DLC on disc and not download.The generation that goes to only downloadable titles is the generation that I give up gaming.


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Comment #46 by _Nosferatu_
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 02:01:08 PM
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Everyone who calls themselves a 'gamer' based on playing some mobile phone games deserves a good slap to the face. IMO.
Those games can be fun at times, but they hardly satisfy my gaming needs and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way. Consoles aren't going anywhere when there is still demand for them.


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Comment #47 by catowl
Monday, July 16, 2012 @ 02:54:43 PM
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mobile games are fun but will never hold my attention to a console game


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Comment #48 by Ninja Kaspyr 83
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 @ 01:57:34 AM
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ive been console since 2600...i will be console till Im 2600


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Comment #49 by TheGreyMan
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 @ 02:22:32 AM
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Shame there's no 'edit' button on these comments, eh?


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Comment #50 by aim of kronic
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 @ 03:18:28 AM
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@30 true.. gameplay > graphics.. i miss my SNES..


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Comment #51 by Solomon Fuere
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 @ 03:59:39 AM
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@41 You're making a big assumption that the people who make decisions like that are not completely fucking retarded.


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Comment #52 by d3m3nt3d2
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 @ 04:03:29 AM
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I don't think we have to worry about consoles going any where any time soon.


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Comment #53 by Iceskater101
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 @ 12:18:25 PM
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Yeah mobile gaming isn't even that cool. Console gaming is where its at! :D


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Comment #54 by Timmsy
Tuesday, July 17, 2012 @ 12:50:46 PM
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Mobile games are shit, tablet games are fun for ten minutes, that is all...


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Comment #55 by Brian Kay
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 @ 08:24:53 AM
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People said the same about Vinyl before CD/mp3 format came out and yet I can still get new tunes on Vinyl today(go figure). So no consoles will never ever die and gaming on my Ipad/Iphone is just not an option(gaming sucks on them), I have a 360 and deadly gaming pc in front of me for that.

When I'm out and about I'm not out to do gaming, I'll be out to get stuff done and the sooner its all done the sooner I get to go back home and play real games on a 42" TV and not on some small ass screen that's going to give me motion sickness, that and people really don't like hearing others on public transport raging at a game, it gets ya kicked off the bus every time LMFAO. Rant over.


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Comment #56 by xplanetpiscesx
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 @ 02:25:21 PM
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I want to play AAA games, on a console, on my big TV. The delivery method doesn't concern me though. I don't like going to game stores anymore, but I don't like the shipping delay when you order online. Ideally, I would like to be able to download a copy on release day. I would even pay a premium for the ability to do this.


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Comment #57 by Chef Not Chief
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 @ 05:47:38 PM
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If I don't have a physical object in my hand, then they don't get my money, bottom line. I've been watching this happen to the industry for a while now, and I hope the article is right in the idea that console gaming will not die.


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Comment #58 by Pedritos
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 @ 10:05:36 PM
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Im worried!

No, i don't think we will lose the console nor the retail games. Because lately im seeing more and more that gamers their voice do get heard. Im talking about games who have been around for a long time ofcourse.

I don't know about the rest of the world, but i do like my games to be original. I don't like codes or digital (unless its for dlc). Fake copies im not even going to talk about that crap.

With Blu-Rays i've gotta buy the original if i really like the movie or its a must have(and dvd when there to old for a Blu-Ray version).

While we can download everthing right of the internet. (i do download movies too:P).

Well... Some stuff.. you just gotta have it original. :)


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Comment #59 by Pedritos
Wednesday, July 18, 2012 @ 10:09:43 PM
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P.s.

Seeing that picture i got the feeling to go play Halo! xD

Greetz.


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Comment #60 by adz5000
Thursday, July 19, 2012 @ 03:30:55 AM
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If games go 100% digital I will not be pleased.

We need the "new game smell" whne we first crack open the case.

Also, without cases there is no maual to read on the toilet.


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Comment #61 by davesmith14
Thursday, July 19, 2012 @ 04:39:13 AM
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consoles are safe i think. mobile games might be fun when you are waiting for an appointment or enjoying a bout of insomnia but they dont have the depth of a properly developed game. download only i hope not over the years 80% of the games i have bought have been traded in for various reasons from no replay appeal to being just plain crap.the idea of buying a game and having no way to make money back on an unwanted one does not appeal.


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Comment #62 by fivebyfive200
Thursday, July 19, 2012 @ 01:31:18 PM
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You always hear "Consoles are dead" usually from some big mouth iOS developer pimping his POS game. Games on phones/tablets have their place but they are never going to kill console games like skyrim etc

Streaming would good for demo of games but hate to subscribe to play streaming games or buy them that way as you don't really own them and what happens when you internet is not working or go over the bandwidth cap?

One thing I disagree with the article, its the downturn of the economy that has caused shops on the high street to close or post losses. Its mostly nothing to do with XBL or PSN games.

With gaming going to all donwloads and developers/publishing wanting to wallet rape games with F2P/pay to win gaming. Fuck that, bring on the video game crash


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Comment #63 by lizard9979
Thursday, July 19, 2012 @ 09:10:42 PM
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Didn't I read an article
Agley that showed more consoles sold in 2011 than any other time in history. As long as console games continue sell more than any other entertainment history, then we will be fat and hey playing our games on our HD big screens with the shelves filled with game figurines, special ,etal cases, and loot boxes!!!! My boss at work is a 68 year old man and he plays Halo! Consoles are here to stay.

Great article!!!! Fun topic.


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Comment #64 by ASE Theron
Friday, July 20, 2012 @ 06:55:38 PM
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No chance in hell that mobile games will put consoles to their deaths. The only people that buys mobile games are kids that are lazy to do exercise. For people that don't play mobile games, we spend more hours on whatever kind of games we play for hours and for mobile games, it takes between 30 minutes to an hour to get bored of it easily. PS: Never give up your consoles.


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Comment #65 by LORDSTORMAGEDON
Saturday, July 21, 2012 @ 09:28:52 AM
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Consoles aren't being outdone by mobile gaming, consoles are expanding into a universal family entertainment systems which are mobile friendly! Xbox will soon have internet explorer, connectivity with android and iphone as remotes. hell, you can stream or buy movies and tv shows now. demolishing the the need for blue ray/ dvd players or even pay tv.

If you ask me, I'd say consoles have been more alive.


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Comment #66 by Hiroshi Mishima
Sunday, July 22, 2012 @ 04:23:38 AM
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I quite enjoyed this article and am glad to see I'm not alone in my thinking that these "notions" towards the change of videogames are rather iffy, at best.

For mobile gaming.. the only game I really enjoyed was Angry Birds, and I immediately wished I could play it on the PC instead because it'd be easier to see things and not grime up the screen. Hell, I don't even own a phone that can play it, I tried it on my cousin's phone. And that leads me to another thing.. I don't have the kind of money to run out and buy the latest new tech as soon as it arrives! I still don't own an HDTV, and didn't even get my Xbox 360 until November 2010, when it had already been out for some time.

Hell, the current prices of games kind of prevents me from doing more, really. It's one of the few industries that didn't take a hit during the economy crisis, which we're not really out of yet in my opinion. Hell, there's people out there just now getting to enjoy OLDER games, much less the stuff I've not played yet. Are we leaving them further behind? That'd be pretty foolish.

One thing that bothers me though is the trend of trying to make everything connected. That is to say, I don't care so much about having a million friends on Xbox or Facebook and prefer leaving my interactions to forums such as this. I'm not a big multiplayer fan, so if I'm totally immersed into a good game, and suddenly stuff pops up, I'm certainly going to feel myself pulled out of that. I still play Steam in Offline mode just to prevent that.


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Comment #67 by Hiroshi Mishima
Sunday, July 22, 2012 @ 04:26:41 AM
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Hmmm.. can't seem to edit my post. Sorry for this, but I wanted to mention how for many years I avoided digital downloads and still prefer my cases and discs/cartridges because of being able to feel it in my hand and smell that crisp, new fragrance. I like being able to open up the manual and read, not that many are still worth reading these days.. being 10 pages in big text and repreated in 3 languages. Still, for the longest time that's where most answers for a game's controls and minute gameplay details were best found.


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Comment #68 by HughJazz
Sunday, July 22, 2012 @ 05:28:34 PM
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I think it's hard to predict what gamers will "always" want. Instead of console perhaps the mobile devices will become so powerful that they can be connected to a large screen and provide the same scale and breadth. At that point the mobile could replace them.

I think the only thing that is assured is that people will want bigger and better experiences. Whatever can deliver those, console, mobile or something we haven't thought of yet, will prevail.


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Comment #69 by xbear352x
Monday, July 23, 2012 @ 08:59:13 AM
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I will always game on a console rather than cloud or electronically gaming. It's more reliable & sturdy than mobile gaming.


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Comment #70 by Delta Big Daddy
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 @ 03:20:49 AM
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as long as there is T.V there will be Consoles thats what I think anyway


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Comment #71 by thewordis
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 @ 07:52:56 AM
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if consoles were dead. gaming wouldnt be youll always have pc to fall back on. bit more expensive on the hardware side but cheaper on the games.

i think soon a large number of the casuals will disapear and people woudl think thats a bad thing but then it would be how it was before. people that actually care about gaming.


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Comment #72 by xianizradx
Tuesday, July 24, 2012 @ 07:32:10 PM
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You are all nerds...


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Comment #73 by XxJoaoPauloBRxX
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 @ 08:31:47 AM
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fuck console games they will nvr compare 2 PC games :)


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Comment #74 by noobpwner
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 @ 01:08:53 PM
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@72 & 73
why dont u go FUCK YOURSELF


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Comment #75 by Forzalove
Wednesday, July 25, 2012 @ 06:35:31 PM
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Free Microsoft points

http://www.mspointscodes.com/?i=1412324


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Comment #76 by RockmanZero
Thursday, July 26, 2012 @ 03:15:22 AM
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I still do not see a smartphone good enough to hold up with a xbox360 or an playstation 3 it is literally comparing a 2 cent marble with a multibillion dollar building 2 entire different things. Streaming and cloud are just a trend for the next 2-3 years after that everyone realizes you still need hardware to run the whole shabang.


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Comment #77 by XxJoaoPauloBRxX
Thursday, July 26, 2012 @ 07:36:16 AM
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Why should i go fuck myself? I'll go fuck your mom instead. And the PC things is true. Just look at the graphics in Max Payne 3 on PC and on Xbox. Consoles are for poor fags who cant afford a decent PC...


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Comment #78 by Intoxicatious
Thursday, July 26, 2012 @ 10:13:22 AM
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Saying mobile devices will kill consoles is like saying consoles will kill PC gaming. Mobiles lack the input we rely on for console gaming, but consoles lack the input we rely on for PC gaming. Sometimes it's more about the controller and less about the graphics and $1 price tag.

Just think about FPS and RTS on these three devices, and see how they differ.


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Comment #79 by noobpwner
Thursday, July 26, 2012 @ 11:55:01 AM
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@77
wow way 2 be original a your mom joke lol consoles will always be better then pc 4 the simple fact that u dont have 2 upgrade just 2 play a new game
so why dont u GTFO


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Comment #81 by Dasha UK
Thursday, July 26, 2012 @ 07:01:05 PM
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71 decent comments before the stupidity started.... record ??


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Comment #82 by reebokbl
Friday, July 27, 2012 @ 05:34:45 AM
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NEVER GIVE UP MICROSOFT, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK (If Bill Gates would read this, he would just make a BITCH PLEASE face) ;)


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Comment #83 by Assasin13
Friday, July 27, 2012 @ 06:35:15 AM
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@79 You don't have to upgrade to play a new game, once you buy a computer it plays the latest games for years to come, just like a console.


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Comment #84 by Suplemental
Friday, July 27, 2012 @ 02:17:21 PM
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Aslong as they sell consoles will never die.


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Comment #85 by MicDuder
Saturday, July 28, 2012 @ 06:53:51 PM
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when the 360 came out back in 2006 there were some great idea's floating around, like pc/console multiplayer, on demand downloadable games, server based game saves that you could access anywhere, lots of cool stuff. what we get always depends on how the market responds. Phasing out consoles will only work if its the right time and the quality of the games on phones and tablets can compete with the console experience. Take for instance the tablet computer, first introduced in 2001 by microsoft. No one cared. it just wasn't cool enough to compete with a PC or laptop. Flash fwd 9 years and Apple starts making billions off the Ipad. Convenience, quality, and the timing were just right. I think we are just about there with video games. We're already past syncing a wireless a controller to a mobile device and you can even hook up to a HD Tv and play games/watch HD movies. I think the last element is quality, and the talent is making the move.


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Comment #86 by Triggrhappy94
Sunday, July 29, 2012 @ 11:22:12 AM
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I share the sentament of many on here: I prefer to buy (physical) hard copies of my games. I love seeing them all nice and neet on my shelf.
Besides, a Microsoft rep told Game Informer in an interview that they're looking to adopted Sony's Blu-Ray system for their next console for the added memory space.


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Comment #87 by rng cougar
Monday, July 30, 2012 @ 10:47:34 PM
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Microsoft is driving its console into the ground by wasting money on dlc rather than exclusives. They continuously turn their backs on what makes the xbox good by promoting crap we dont want.If Valve made a console run on steam, I would say game over for sony and microsoft, I would support valve all the way with that.


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Comment #88 by Inexxa
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 @ 02:17:40 AM
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To be honest if consoles were to die then developers won't have half as much money as they do which will most likely mean hardly any top end blockbuster games.


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Comment #89 by lxindustries
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 @ 05:49:00 AM
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As much as I keep saying:
"I probably wont buy another console."
...I, will. I know I will...

Just not the Wii U.


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Comment #90 by CornishMessiah
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 @ 06:07:11 AM
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Handhelds... Blind yourself with a 3DS or empty your bank with Vita's stupid memory costs.


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Comment #91 by Craigimuss
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 @ 09:14:23 AM
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I would rather give up gaming forever than have mobile only games. I can't stand all these statistics for mobile gaming.


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Comment #92 by Kotkamies
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 @ 11:13:20 AM
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I'd rather watch 10000000000000 hours of german midget porn than give up console gaming.


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Comment #93 by CodenameDUCK001
Thursday, August 02, 2012 @ 12:54:23 AM
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Seriously hope consoles don't die i would be lost on a PC.


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Comment #94 by triplewitching
Thursday, August 02, 2012 @ 03:33:26 PM
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People are dancing around the issue, but console gaming will never die from PC or mobile or streaming, because each game machine is best at a certain type of game.

Mobile : quick play, casual, puzzle.

lots of women like this platform, so stop hatin', they are real gamers now, and these are real games. And honestly, do you really want to get home, sit at your 42" HDTV and play 100 rounds of Tetris ? Didn't think so.


PC : F2P, browser games, RTS, user mods, and strategy games.

F2P and browser games have come a long way. There are plenty I have enjoyed and even paid for. Anyone who thought Civ Revolutions was better than Civ 4 on the PC, pretend you didn't get 1000 GS and think again. Because I had played the PC version first, the gamerscore is the only reason Revolutions even got more than 5 minutes in my 360. Any RTS fan will tell you the same about C&C on the console.


Home Console : Action, Fighting, Racing, Roleplaying, Movie Tie-in (Seriously, Movie promo games on the PC and mobile make the console versions look like AAA titles, in comparison)

Ever play Street Fighter or a side-scrolling game on the PC, you won't do it again. PC's just can't handle the fast action. The limits of the touch interface on mobile devices has already been mentioned several times.


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Comment #95 by triplewitching
Thursday, August 02, 2012 @ 03:45:15 PM
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@ #45

He stopped buying DLC and waits for the GOTY.

I've stopped buying the RETAIL version of anything with lots of DLC, or that i expect lots of DLC for, and wait for the GOTY edition. DLC is such a rip, for the (usually) tiny additional amount of extra GS/Gameplay, compared to a retail game, even at full $60 retail.

IMO, too many games is actually one of the main things hurting the industry now. Games lose value so fast, because there is always a ton of new stuff all year round, and hundreds of quality used titles available at $15 or less. The reason there IS such a large used market of good games is that so many are released that almost no one could even keep up. Everyone i know has such a large backlog that unless they are waiting for something, they are now backing off the $60 retail crackpipe, and THAT is why only a few games are making all the big bucks from the herd gamers, cause a lot of us are getting off the treadmill and working on our (AAA title) backlog.


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Comment #96 by SIMPLYMIDGET
Friday, August 03, 2012 @ 01:36:23 PM
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console forever


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Comment #97 by Sanchezz4387
Saturday, August 04, 2012 @ 05:18:56 AM
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What these companies are tryi g to do is con us into thinking mobile games with over inflated micro transactions are the way forward......it is not.

Mobile gaming is a quick on the go flick when your bored and haven't got time to sink 6 hours into skyrim.

Take a case in point of how mobile/F2P is not a model for future gaming;

The dark knight rises on iPhone; costs £4.99. There's an in app purchase on that game for £40!!!!! This is an iPhone game ffs, a game that you will delete after completion to get som HDD space back!,

The original angry birds just got an update, after paying for it they now want me to pay micro transactions for some wanky power ups to be able to get 3*!!! FUCK OFF!!!!

Developers see a nugget opportunity to rape money from stupid kids and lifeless morons, well not me. I play my iPhone games for quick entertainment whils I'm taking a shit or I'm at the mrs friends house and I'm bored

No F2P game model or mobile game will ever replace the console, that's like saying the pushbike will replace the motorbike, they are two wildy different variants of the same model.

These companies look more foolish and desperate the more they try tell us otherwise.


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Comment #98 by StubbsDK
Sunday, August 05, 2012 @ 03:25:16 PM
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I play alot of mobile games, but only when my girlfriend is watching something on tv, or I'm riding the bus... I have some titles that are huge, like Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy, Dead Space and Mass Effect, but I could never focus on that tiny screen for that long!

As for the retail V. download, I'm on the retail side! I prefer a physical copy of my games, and I hate having to download a game if I want to play after a while. I don't like games taking up to much space on my hdd, which is why I always delete the installed games after a while. Plus, Microsoft's pricing on GoD is INSANE!They release them a lot later, and the price is almost always the same as when it got released in the stores! that makes no sense! Bottom line is, I want discs, I like having them on my shelf!


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Comment #99 by Bretar
Monday, August 06, 2012 @ 03:36:45 AM
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I have tried mobile gaming and to be honest its a bag of crap! I suppose its alright for games like angry birds and the like but for proper games it just doesn't cut it.


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Comment #100 by muckypup75
Monday, August 06, 2012 @ 05:56:15 AM
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i'll will always buy a console game system no matter what. the phone is made for talkin', thats all i use it for. i refuse to text or play games on it. nothing better then hearin' my 360 go through the surrond sound loud as hell while playin' a sports game or shooter.


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Comment #101 by Jet1337
Monday, August 06, 2012 @ 06:46:44 PM
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I think consoles should die out. I don't understand why people support them other than their semi-cheap price.

When I was 12 I knew how to install and run games on the pc so the excuse that it's too complicated for kids is invalid here.

Console gamers just limit themselves the possible fun they could be having.


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Comment #102 by mosin360
Monday, August 06, 2012 @ 07:40:38 PM
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Mobile games are simple time killers for me. Good for that 10-15 minutes of down time every so often.


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Comment #103 by wickedclowns95
Wednesday, August 08, 2012 @ 03:25:29 PM
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@60 I agree about the smell but hardly any games come with manuals anymore.

@101 I prefer a controller to keyboard and mouse. It's as simple as that. I've tried playing PC games with a controller and it rarely provides the same fluidity that I get playing on a console. I also love chilling on the couch while playing games. I love playing split-screen games with friends on console. There are many reasons rather than the price aspect.


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Comment #104 by D M Avenger88
Thursday, August 09, 2012 @ 10:27:35 AM
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Nothing available at the moment will replace the ergonomic design and all round functionality of the xbox360 control pad, the most comfortable controller available.... PERIOD!!!! :-)


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Comment #105 by RyeBread89
Thursday, August 09, 2012 @ 11:54:25 AM
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I'm with scottttocs (#5), mobile games are time fillers during the day. Console games are much more fun, in-depth and allow you to play while hanging out with buddies. Consoles will never disappear because the market for them is far too strong.

As far as games go, I love having a physical copy. Being able to see your collection is much more enjoyable then just having it on a hard drive.


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Comment #106 by RyeBread89
Thursday, August 09, 2012 @ 12:01:56 PM
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I'm with scottttocs (#5), mobile games are time fillers during the day. Console games are much more fun, in-depth and allow you to play while hanging out with buddies. Consoles will never disappear because the market for them is far too strong.

As far as games go, I love having a physical copy. Being able to see your collection is much more enjoyable then just having it on a hard drive.


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Comment #107 by Mr Peaster
Friday, August 10, 2012 @ 11:49:35 AM
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Consoles are gonna be around for ever. Im not completely against digital games. I download XLA games all the time. But if I can get a physical copy of something, Id definitely choose that of digital anyday.


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Comment #108 by joonas
Friday, August 10, 2012 @ 01:11:43 PM
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@17 ps2 and xbox1 has sold more than xbox 360 and ps3


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Comment #109 by Crazyviking7
Friday, August 10, 2012 @ 06:03:06 PM
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i dont believe the console will ever die


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Comment #110 by ONE Disco Bob
Saturday, August 11, 2012 @ 03:05:33 PM
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"As a result, creating traditional, prohibitively expensive disc-based games is an increasingly unattractive proposition for developers and consumers alike."

I remember reading back at the start of the PS1 era, that making and printing a game disc cost around 5 bucks. Do the math 5 bucks to cover manufacturing costs, 55 dollars to cover development costs. Discs as a method of delivering a product are not taking a huge amount of money away from developers. It's like a pizza place complaining that the cost of their cardboard delivery boxes is putting them out of business.

Please stop writing these crap articles where you imply that somehow making a fucking disc is putting developers out of business. Developing more complex games costs them more. When the games turn out to be short, mediocre, and lacking replay value they lose money. You're just selling the bullshit lie they came up with to force this digital distribution crap on us. If Developers want to make more money there is a simple solution, make better products. Look at the successful developers and you'll find they do this.



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Comment #111 by JGar77
Sunday, August 12, 2012 @ 12:27:02 AM
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@110, if you multiply the cost of making the discs, cases, and manuals en masse, then you have quite a tidy sum to pay. It's not much per individual game, but if you were to plan on distributing 400,000 copies of a new game, that's a US$2 million fee for producing physical copies. If you remove the physical components, then you also remove the cap on how many copies can be sold, the potential risk of underselling, and of course that up-front price tag of production for the physical material.

Its not quite the same as selling pizzas, as the cost of a pizza box is significantly lower, percentage wise and actual cost-wise. There are much fewer risks involved in selling pizzas or purchasing pizza boxes as well. I do agree with you that developers should focus on making better products instead of forcing out games to try and make money, but the prohibitions of physical copies are very real.


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Comment #112 by mister xbox
Sunday, August 12, 2012 @ 04:21:34 AM
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mobile phones have games?


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Comment #113 by Ned King
Sunday, August 12, 2012 @ 07:52:59 AM
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I'm sorry but this has all been said before,the net will kill the newspaper,music downloads will kill the CD,books will die because off kindle etc.Has this happen,simple answer is no and it never will because people like to go shopping and like to actually hold a product.I mean what about birthdays,Xmas and other special days,its not the same giving someone a website instead off a new CD.
Plus mobile phone games suck so they will never replace the console.


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Comment #114 by BlueBomber144
Sunday, August 12, 2012 @ 07:57:03 AM
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Consoles will never die!! I still play the old school NES!


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Comment #115 by ONE Disco Bob
Monday, August 13, 2012 @ 06:09:54 AM
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@111, I liked your post, but I've got to respond. sorry I maybe a little long winded here. First I think that the pizza comparison I used is fairly accurate, in that proportional to the total cost, the boxes are a small percentage of the total price they charge us. The majority of that money is used to pay for making the games/pizzas. Personally I think the risk is the same too. If you make bad pizzas, nobody will eat at your restaurant and before long and you'll go out of business. Just because you've made a pizza or a game shouldn't guarantee you are a success. You have to make it a quality product, that people want. I think that we'd probably agree that the people who made whatever game you like least don't deserve to make as much as whoever made your favorite game. where pizzas and games differ is that with pizzas you can't sell it off once your done with it. When you make something that is resealable you have to find a way to make people want to keep it after they are done with it.

I totally agree that game company's could make more money if they didn't have to manufacture physical copies of games. My problem is the argument that they are not profitable because they have to make physical games. Almost every successful game up till now has had to deal with the cost of producing games this way. So it must be possible.

The main reason they keep using this argument isn't that they need to save 2Million of production costs, it's so they can kill used game sales and get their piece of that 1 to 2 Billion dollar pie too. Now I understand why they want to do this, but the fact is that if developers do do this as a consumer I lose more than I gain. I lose the ability to; sell, trade, or rent games. I lose sales and discount from different retailers competing for my business. I have an increased need for larger more expensive hard drives. I lose time waiting on large downloads, and I could keep going.

All in the hopes that the company will decrease the prices of games $5 to $10, or use that 2 Mil to make better games. However when I look at the move from carts to CD's the developers had a decrease in production cost and didn't pass that savings on to the consumer. They charged us the same amounts for their games as they did before. As for an increase in quality, provided it goes into the development budget and not just lowering the profitability threshold for the same product they would have made anyway, it could be a real benefit. I can appreciate the costs of development have, and continue to increase. Forcing developers to sell more copies to be profitable, and I do want to see people who make good games rewarded.

My bottom line is we as consumers have to protect our right to have as many different options available to us as possible. Game makers already have many ways to increase revenue via DLC, disc locking content, online passes, season passes, ad placement, etc. They have to recognize that their consumers also need ways to handle the increasing cost we incur to play their games. Not everyone can afford to pay an ever increasing cost. We owe them nothing, and if they want to earn our money then they do not get to have sole say as to how that occurs.


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Comment #116 by PANIC ATTACK 10
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 @ 11:27:52 AM
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despite what people think. consoles, as we know them, are indeed dead. the only next logical step. is to make a streaming device. this would replace consoles. allowing you to use the cloud instead. thus freeing up space. no need for discs & hard drives. however, MS will proably milk the market. sony is close to bankrupcy too. sony has about a year & a half. to turn things around. cloud gaming is the only logical choice. its what i've been waiting for. i dont have a pc. so a device that hooks up to my tv would be the next logical step.


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Comment #117 by LeafRaider
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 @ 01:33:50 PM
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@13 Really? I always found them biased, dim and quickly worked out that most of them had no idea what they were doing. Always preferred independants founded and ran by gamers. Not some guy they found who really needs a job but can't tell the difference between a Xbox 360 and a Nintendo Wii.


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Comment #118 by Bl4nkShot
Tuesday, August 14, 2012 @ 04:41:48 PM
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I just want my gamerscore to transfer over to the next xbox. Thats all that I'm worried about for now. Mobile gaming is limited and sometimes just boring.


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Comment #119 by richardwarnercool1
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 @ 03:19:51 AM
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Console and PC games will never be beaten in terms of size, ambition, play ability, emotional capacity and characterization possibilities. Mobile games do have their play and that place is to pass time in places that your console cannot be taken. Waiting rooms and travels, they're excellent. But until a mobile game can pull off something the size of Witcher 2 or all 3 Mass Effect games, consoles will always win.


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Comment #120 by SFAL
Wednesday, August 15, 2012 @ 02:20:26 PM
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Let's see, $60 or less a year for the network, discounts, chat, multiplayer? (And for those into such things who have the appropriate providers, the ability to watch cable sports or videos on your console.) Seems a fair trade-off from not having to upgrade a PC for a few years. Even though it's at the cost of number of players in an online match and uber-advanced graphics at high resolution on big screens with large frames-per-second rates.

It's a fine thing to pay $60 and have a physical disc you can install (or not) in a case with some pieces of paper, one you can trade or sell. From the other side, something you can also buy used, with perhaps needing to purchase an online code. Yet even $30 for something of multi-gigs that has to be downloaded and kept on a hard drive that isn't physical and that you can't sell, forget it. $50 for year old game on demand, why that's like renting a movie for $20.


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Comment #121 by n1hMrDeath
Friday, August 17, 2012 @ 03:48:28 PM
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The end No...! This is just end of a chapter ,like always consoles gaming machines are in a state of evolving,This is not the end ,it just the end of the beginning.


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Comment #122 by lornesbored
Saturday, August 18, 2012 @ 01:55:37 PM
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This is all EA's fault and their Online passes.

Just kidding, but a lot of the shady practices video game companies are employing nowadays are driving me away so fast its uncanny. Ubisoft drove me away when they put online passes in AC:R. EA drove me away the same, thq the same.

If i cant have something physical in my hand, i will take my money elsewhere, aside from the small purchase here and there (minecraft) in the arcade, i prefer the games because then at least in 10 years they can be collectors items.

All digital downloads = the market dipping drastically, im sure im only 1 out of 10 million who wont go for it.


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Comment #123 by lornesbored
Saturday, August 18, 2012 @ 01:58:07 PM
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I also forgot to say, does anyone worry about the mass amount of job losses and the economy dipping a little from not having to print hundreds of millions of game discs every year? Lke shit,


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Comment #124 by xCRIMINALMINDSx
Wednesday, August 22, 2012 @ 07:40:39 AM
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load of rubbish


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Comment #125 by hythloday
Wednesday, August 22, 2012 @ 12:48:03 PM
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Soooo what you guys are telling me is the article you published a few weeks ago titled "The Death of Consoles?" was a bunch of bs and exaggerated??

Um. Thanks?


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Comment #126 by nemonobody
Thursday, August 30, 2012 @ 04:52:22 AM
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I remember this guy published a slide show with a voice over about how Android games and stuff are taking over.

It's just not true.


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Comment #127 by randomshat
Sunday, September 02, 2012 @ 08:35:21 AM
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Games companies whine that they make no money from second hand sales. Do you hear BMW complaining when someone sells on one of their cars? No.

Money grabbing corporations are going to be the death of consoles, not mobile phones...


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Comment #128 by TheSilvermaster
Monday, September 03, 2012 @ 04:56:59 AM
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Yeah there will probably be at least one more console generation lets say for the namesake Xbox 720 and PS4 which will probably last for about 5 years or a little bit more. And then digital only games will become the thing you might buy something that hooks up to your TV not necessarily a console but you still need something to play your games off of except every game would be downloadable like xbox live arcade, games on demand, and playstation network. Will the games be free? Fat chance why would any developer spend almost a years worth of time developing a current gen title only to give it away for no profit yeah games will be cheaper something like 20 or 30 dollars worth of money or points probably and thats how it will be but not for probably about another 5-10 years but it is inevitable.


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Comment #129 by Phantomzero17
Friday, September 21, 2012 @ 11:24:25 PM
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@21 That stereotype of PC gamers only applies to people to who think that buying an Alienware or a Mac Book Pro makes them a Hardcore PC gamer.

The real ones tend to have decent rigs comprable to the average at home user and then the rest have higher end or custom built rigs that are truly not as expensive at people like to think.

Especially since Core PC gamers tend to build their own for cheap. Although while I love my custom rig it is still air cooled with 4 fans if I had the scratch I'd build my own case out of plexiglass and make an Oil Cooled rig. About 30 litres or so.


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Comment #130 by entyjc
Sunday, September 23, 2012 @ 07:29:28 PM
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consoles will never die as long as there are good games to play i still have a ps 1 and ps 2 and alot of my friends do and they have been off the market for years now but you can still buy games for them and thats what i like having a game on disk that if i complete or if i find its shit i can sell or trade in for a different one cant do that with downloaded crap.i dont think us gamers have too much to worry about... ps i use my phone for calls and texting nothing else mobile games are a joke..


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Comment #131 by Slayinfool
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 @ 08:38:10 AM
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Consoles aren't going anywhere. Despite what PC gamers may think, consoles are here to stay.


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Comment #132 by chrisarcade
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 @ 03:46:29 PM
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yea, mobile gaming isn't the wave of the future, I hate tilting my phone side to side or using the touch screen to move my character..some of the games r ok, but for REAL gaming, gimme my console..and I don't want controllerless gaming either..gotta keep my joystick/joypad/controller or whatever u wanna call'em!


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Comment #133 by chrisarcade
Tuesday, September 25, 2012 @ 03:50:22 PM
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@48 LOL


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Comment #134 by King_Designs
Friday, September 28, 2012 @ 09:35:47 AM
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Never been interested in PC gaming and never been interested in Mobile gaming, i'll always keep my gaming on consoles only, either old gen or new gen!!


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Comment #135 by Delow317
Saturday, September 29, 2012 @ 10:22:56 PM
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@ 134

I feel the same way.


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Comment #136 by pulse1337
Sunday, September 30, 2012 @ 04:43:24 PM
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I don't know about anyone else but i see it as my console is what i use to play my games on and my phone for texting and making calls and its how it will always be for me


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Comment #137 by deadpool316
Wednesday, October 03, 2012 @ 09:33:15 AM
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I hate hand held games give me my xbox any day


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Comment #138 by reaper527
Wednesday, October 03, 2012 @ 03:52:40 PM
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i for one hope streaming games never becomes a dominant factor. i'm sure plenty of you remember when psn was down for a month. can you imagine if your entire console was down for that long?


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Comment #139 by zombiep00ts
Saturday, October 06, 2012 @ 12:11:09 PM
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As long as there are avid gamers out there....there will never be an end to gaming consoles. I honestly cannot see mobile gaming as the new way to game, but maybe as an alternative for on the go gaming.


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Comment #140 by Redline1982
Monday, October 08, 2012 @ 10:23:01 PM
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I dont think consoles will go away they have become multi use purposes not just for video games anymore.


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Comment #141 by Viper187
Friday, October 19, 2012 @ 08:06:55 AM
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I despise motion control and digital distribution. If the next gen is all digital and pushing motion control, voice commands, and touch screens for everything, they can keep their DRM infested shit and I'll keep my 360. I'm up to 265 Xbox360 games in prep for ignoring the next generation for a while.

I'll never understand how the Wii survived. Any real gamer would hate waving that goddamn remote around just to navigate menus on everything, and go apeshit at the lack of standard controller support for games that don't inherently require any kind of motion control. I nearly broke the disc to the New SMB when I heard the mushroom pickup sound come out of the motherfucking wiimote and it told me I had to spin the thing to pick something up!


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Comment #142 by Achievemental
Monday, October 22, 2012 @ 03:19:17 PM
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This is something I looked into while on my games development course. All evidence pointed to the industry not declining and consoles carrying on. Aside from the reasons mentioned here there's the following facts:

In the UK the games industry is outstripping both the music and film industry combined and provided over £3billion to the economy. It's much the same in many other countries.

While many look towards digital distribution as the way to go it's simply not the case. As it is PC games in stores cost less than their console counterparts, and things such as Steam price games lower than retail value. This means that for a studio to break the figures it does through retail it needs to sell more copies, and selling more copies is a lot harder than sticking on a £40 price tag. Especially for new titles from upstart developers. The cost to produce might be higher but the returns are too.

People find consoles to be better when it comes to stuff like enjoying things with your family. Many family's have one or more consoles which are a lot easier to get around and enjoy as a group than PC gaming. Back all LAN lovers, ok you can group around but do you and your family really want to each have a PC in the same room? Chances are they won't and you're one of those people that carries a desktop 40+ miles and back for LAN parties. I'll take my console online or have the family/friends around the HD tv anyday. The ps3 lets my parents watch their blu-rays, the Wii means my sisters can zumba to their hearts content, and my 360 means I can play high quality games in the comfort of my own home. There's no wonder my mum is now a massive fan of games like Resistance (to the point where she made my dad buy her all 3 last xmas) but won't touch PC games with a 10 foot pole.

Lets face it, PC gaming on the whole is pretty elitist. Yes, there are titles for everyone but who here can hold their hand up and say they'd rather use hotkeys over a joypad that covers everything they need to do easily. I know I wouldn't. Or what about knowing how to use a 30 button mouse? Consoles are far more user friendly than PCs, and if I was to even mention 'cloud' gaming to my mum she'd look at me funny and think I was on something. Consoles are an affordable way for everyone to play. No need for £100+ custom gaming rigs, or a super fast broadband connection or multi-screens or anything like that.

If anything, console gaming has a brighter future ahead of it than anything else on the market. Thats why there's another generation of consoles on the way and thats why there will be another generation after that. As long as there are improvements, ideas and new tech to bring out, they will. Even fads have their appeal. Even the Wii has its appeal. It can't perform as well as the PS3 or 360 graphics wise etc. but it fills the niche in the market for family-friendly fun that even grandma can enjoy without suffering brain damage from trying to work it out. Hold the stick, swing it about, yay you're playing the Wii.

So to naysayers and the like, no....console gaming isn't declining, and if it ever does it's nowhere near it now. Viva la console etc etc. so on and so forth.


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Comment #143 by Achievemental
Monday, October 22, 2012 @ 03:24:29 PM
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I should write less.....and i meant £1000+ custom rigs.....and......bugger it, i'm writing more again


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Comment #144 by mercyforme
Thursday, October 25, 2012 @ 11:31:38 AM
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I've always wondered why people are convinced that this next little bit of technology would replace current technology. We aren't really in the habit of replacing popular technology. We're starting to get to a point that refining that technology is a way more effective method to get that profit that so many people desire. Look at the iPad mini. It uses the same processor as its predecessor but it appears to run faster because it's on a less taxing system. If people can pull money out of old technology, you can bet your sweet ass that they're going to milk it as long as they can. Madden anybody? Maybe some RockHeroGuitarBand with new accordion peripheral?


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Comment #145 by Vince
Friday, October 26, 2012 @ 12:14:30 PM
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I dont think console will die only evolve it started with arcades and moved to atari and the future only looks brighter i just hope i wont be to old to play when your in the virtual world as the character


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Comment #146 by Viper187
Saturday, October 27, 2012 @ 11:25:58 PM
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@142: Don't forget the fact that PC games can be difficult to run simply on a software level, finicky with certain video cards, you always need better hardware, etc. We've been playing new games on Xbox for 7(?) years now. Yeah, PC people claim they get better graphics on PC. I started on NES. It's not about having the prettiest graphics. It's about good games. To me, the main thing PC gaming has over console at this point is load times. If console makers were smart, they'd go flash media like old school cartridges with new tech instead of these goddamn optical drives. The load times on so many games now are atrocious and the only thing anyone seems to care about is improving graphics. HD is HD. SO the Xbox doesn't have a 2GB video card. Get over it. I hardly see a reason for a completely new console to be developed at this point unless they're actually going to change something besides speeding up CPU, GPU, and RAM. They should be able to do that without it even being a new platform, much like the N64 had the expansion pack for extra RAM and come games require it. We do Kinect only, so why not a system specs requirement on our consoles instead of breaking backward compatibility every goddamn generation? At this point, HD is HD, and there should be any need to keep switching CPU architectures. PCs used x86 alone for what, 20? years and still do.


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Comment #147 by Wing X Custom
Friday, November 02, 2012 @ 08:06:54 PM
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Mobile games are for casual or mom gamers that wouldnt mnow a good game if it puched them in the face. I think were safe.


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Comment #148 by BoxNerd
Monday, November 19, 2012 @ 11:25:29 AM
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I would be all for games-on-demand if the prices were much better. It makes no sense games costing more without the box and booklet, yet physical media are discounted so much quicker these days.

Hate it or love it, Apple have started the death of the disc by removing optical drives from all their computers and replacing them with an App Store... MS has followed suit with the AppStore idea in Windows 8, and soon the rest of the industry will follow. The fact that even BluRay movies sometimes come with a copy on SD card shows this also.


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