
Forum Posts: 1828 | Comment #1 by Achiever TM Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 07:45:14 AM | |
| i hate the new achievements rules. they made this just to make us (completionists) waste some of our money on DLC with achievements, otherwise most part of us would't buy those DLCs |
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Forum Posts: 18 | Comment #2 by sleath Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 08:42:31 AM | |
| i like online achievements...... it takes skill and skill is something to be achieved which is generally the whole point. if you disagree then its blatently obvious your not a good or skilled player you are a mere average or below and should accept that this goes above your level of brilliance |
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Forum Posts: 18 | Comment #3 by sleath Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 08:51:31 AM | |
| and that because of that, you dont deserve it and shouldnt complain as its for those who can win 100 games online to be proud that they achieved something others cant, surely thats better than something everybody can do? |
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Forum Posts: 664 | Comment #4 by DerEnglaender Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 08:59:18 AM | |
online achievments dont necessarily reuqire skill. playing 100 games doesnt make you skillful. it all dpends onhte type of acheivement. if online acheivments are included they should be to entice me in to the multiplayer, get me playing it so that i can see what its all about. i thought that the orange box [one of the best sets of acheivemnts ever] did a great job with TF2. It made me paly all the classes a little bit, so I got a feel for them all, then I chose my favourite class and went for 1000 kills, which wasnt a mountain and it wasnt over in 30 minutes, nice variety and length tothe acheivements dont ask me to play 100 matches of every gametype on every map, its silly. and for the love of god, dont lock it down to ranked, make it ranked, player or local. that way everybody gets |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #5 by x Sp3cial 0ps x Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 09:11:12 AM | |
| i hate online achievements |
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Forum Posts: 722 | Comment #6 by L0cke89 Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 09:24:54 AM | |
It requires skill in some games. But in most games there is nobody playing so you can't get them. Even if you're only trying to get time or a number of matches like in katamari. I played online a lot and spend most of the time waiting in the lobby, because nobody was laying the damn thing. Now the same with riddick. I would love to play it online all the time, because it reminds me of TimeSplitters and is very fast and fun. But all the time I only find 3-4 matches. So if you want to get an achievement that requires playing a secific game type you're screwed. I never once saw a capture the flag match in the last 7 days when I was online. And sometimes you can't even find a normal death match. That is what pisses us of. You have to boost or get a friend in some games (especially older |
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Forum Posts: 246 | Comment #7 by Coldgears Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 09:35:45 AM | |
| @ 4 I think some of the achievements should be locked to ranked and some just to player and ranked, and some for all. A good example of this being done well is gears 2. |
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Forum Posts: 328 | Comment #8 by MrMario2011 Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 09:39:06 AM | |
| I agree with number 1. One of my friends is working his butt off trying to get his level 100 in Gears of War 2, but he told me he'd like to call Microsoft and say "I don't know about you guys, but I like to complete my games. I think you guys could be making a lot more money if you stopped releasing as much DLC. There are so many games I'd like to pay $60 to get, but whenever I finish my Gears of War achievements, you guys release new ones and more DLC so I have to pay $10 for DLC as opposed to $60 for a new game, and I don't play others games until the one I'm currently playing is done with." |
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Forum Posts: 39 | Comment #9 by Hooligunn Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:19:14 AM | |
To be honest, I think anyone (and most of this site probably falls under this category) who moans about more achievements coming for games they've already completed are utterly pathetic. Completionist or not, if you moan that achievements are added to DLC to help give that DLC more to do, make it funner and reward you for doing things in it, your pathetic. I don't care if it screws your 1000 points up as not being 100% complete - WHO CARES. You 100% completed the original 1000, feeling you HAVE to buy DLC just for some achievements above that is downright sad. Like the new Gears achievement for Rank 100. For those of us who love Gears, it's something fantastic to work towards and it's a great achievement. For those who don't, you'll never get it (unless you glitch it) and that's a good |
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Forum Posts: 39 | Comment #10 by Hooligunn Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:25:01 AM | |
thing. It means that a true Gearhead will get all the achievements, but the original 1000 is still more than attainable for anyone. Isn't that who is going to be buying the DLC in the first place, people who want more maps? Exactly. Stop whining it screws up your precious completion ratios. DLC is seperate from the original 1000 - if you don't like a game or don't want to play the DLC, leave yourself at 1000 and no-one else thinks any less of it. Anyone who buys DLC purely because they HAVE to complete all the achievements, whether they want the DLC or not, is far sadder to me. |
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Forum Posts: 799 | Comment #11 by Panda Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:26:57 AM | |
| Amen to #9 + #10 |
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Forum Posts: 423 | Comment #12 by BLQQDCQRE Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:33:19 AM | |
| Number 9 and 10 saved me from saying what I wanted to say about those 1000 completionist rejects. Amen man!!! If DLC bugs you rejects so much, go unlock your gay little tropies on the ps3!! I'm sure they wont bother adding on to their shitty games. DLC FTW!!! Keep them commin! |
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Forum Posts: 34 | Comment #13 by The Bryceroy Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:46:12 AM | |
The only issue I have with DLC is that the prices are simply not scaled well. Lionhead got it right with See the Future at 560, even if it is as short as Knothole, it is priced more reasonably and will likely sell far MORE as a result. As far as the multiplayer hubub is concerned, just look to Bungie or Infinity Ward for guidance, Halo 3's multiplayer achies are BRILLIANT and rather easy to get.Hell Bungie would kill me with laughter if they threw in a "Mute 1000 players" or "Commit suicide with your own Sniper Rifle" achievement. Call of Duty 4 didn't have ANY, proving you can have a great MP experience without any achies at all. |
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Forum Posts: 46 | Comment #14 by orange20 Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:57:18 AM | |
| i really dont understand all the complaining. at 9 and 10 right on. i agree with everything. if developers would stop the dlc gamers would probably stop playing the games after 1000gs. if everyone says they are such achievement whores they wouldnt wast their time playing a great game online like gears or halo if there wernt anymore achievements to get. dlc lets gamers continue to play the games they love while having something a little extra to work towards. bring me more dlc! |
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Forum Posts: 8 | Comment #15 by Homicidal_inc Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 11:21:27 AM | |
| Completionists Completionists Completionists Completionists Completionists! I am So sick Of Hearing These Whinny A$$ People. They Are Ruining The Gameing World. You know what back in the day it took time to Finish a Game, And we didnt have achivements or online leader boards. It tooke me forver to finish Mario and I had a blast tryen to do it! I love the DLC it keeps the game Fresh And again if it wound up on a disk at Gamestop you would buy it! Completionists Need to grow up and stop acting like wussy's that stil live at there parents house.I cant tell you how many games I have traded in to get new one casue the ecomomy Sucks A$$! |
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Forum Posts: 8 | Comment #16 by Homicidal_inc Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 11:21:27 AM | |
| But! You dont see my Crying that I didnt get to get 100% you know why casue when the game I traded goes down in price I will go back get it and play it some more. I was Highly disapointd that L4D update didnt have achivements So I traded it in and put it down on Terminator. Fallout 3 Man the map was huge as is and they keep pumping out DLC! Why casue it keeps the game fresh. I siad this Bfor and I wil Say it again I am a Ol Skool Gamer I owned a Atari when I was 4 years old I am Now 29. I am seeing a Huge downfall in Gamers! Gamers are Rebels. We were Generation X REBELS OF GAMEING. Grow a Pair Or Shut The Hell Up! |
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Forum Posts: 209 | Comment #17 by -ToXiN- Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 11:35:19 AM | |
I used to hate DLC that adds points, but now... So what if it screws up my 100%? 1000GS is still 1000, 100% complete originally out of the box. DLC keeps games going, sure, its a way for companies to make money, but it also allows companis to support and enhance their games post release. As for riddickulous (get it?) multiplayer achievements, I hope developers learn to stop it. Seriously, look at our forum, there are many people who said they didnt buy Riddick because of Multiplayer achievements. Me included. ITs actually costing them sales. I dont think anyone would not buy a game because there ARENT any (or arent any 10000 kill) multiplayer achievements. Most people who would get them are boosters anyway, who sometimes even ruin the fun of those trying to get a legit game going, espec |
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Forum Posts: 209 | Comment #18 by -ToXiN- Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 11:35:19 AM | |
especially in games where multi is not the main focus and clears out quickly (ie, Dark Sector - very difficult ot get a normal ranked game going, and when you do get into one, i find its more often boosters than not). So devs - stop with crazy MP achievments - its actually costing you less sales... Im pretty much avoiding games wiht lots of MP achieves - when i can get a good single player game instead for the same price? For example, instead of Riddick, i could get Ninja Blade or Godfather 2 (which has MP, but all SP achieves, good job for once, EA) |
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Forum Posts: 209 | Comment #19 by -ToXiN- Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 11:47:50 AM | |
| UH OH, somehow my comments got posted in reverse order. Please read 18 first, then 17.... |
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Forum Posts: 106 | Comment #20 by nukefarmer Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 12:25:27 PM | |
| Dlc is good as longs it dosent get out of control with the price and milkage and nothing is wrong with free dlc that is free |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #21 by VileZero Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 12:27:58 PM | |
| #9 & 10 beat me to it. |
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Forum Posts: 592 | Comment #22 by Axe Argonian Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 12:59:38 PM | |
| It was a boring month for games in general. Thankfully, it gave gamers a chance to go back and get older, cheap games for Gamer Score. I decided to pick up Alone in the Dark for $20, and I must say that I'm having a fun time as well as a quick points boost. |
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Forum Posts: 3816 | Comment #23 by Bishop24 Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 02:12:33 PM | |
Webb after the UFC screenshot you spelled mouthpieces wrong. You spelled "Moutpieces". :) Not a big deal but I noticed it while reading through the article. Once again great job and May does indeed already look better than April |
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Forum Posts: 42 | Comment #24 by Bajcz Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 02:20:06 PM | |
| i agree with #9 and his second post at #10 |
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Forum Posts: 5 | Comment #25 by Hitchenson Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 02:58:55 PM | |
| "Thanks ... but no thanks, especially if the Beta was anything to go by." lolwut? How was the beta at all bad? I and many others found the beta to be awesome. |
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Forum Posts: 48 | Comment #26 by silencer018 Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 03:14:15 PM | |
| Kudos to #13. COD showed everyone that ppl will still play those games online, without even trying to get achievements. Other than World at War and their 2 0 point achievements. Also, Halo got it right when they first released it all the online achievements were 5 points. This makes sure players can still get 900-950G without playing much online. |
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Forum Posts: 0 | Comment #27 by gully wit it Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 03:32:37 PM | |
| 9+10 thank you for taking the time out for that. Its was great. Anyway online achievements are great. It takes skill and ppl who don't have skill boost for it.I mean wats the point of a game if your always worrying if u skipped an achievement or not. Enjoy the game. Achievements later. The only crappy online achievements are like 5 win streaks in nba 2k9. Besides everything else is do-able if u have any skill |
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Forum Posts: 244 | Comment #28 by Seiryu Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 09:29:58 PM | |
I've been a gamer for nearly 20 years, and throughout that time there are a few things that have remained constant for me. I always like to complete a game as much as a possibly can, I really loved it when a game gave a visible completion percentage (like in the Donkey Kong series on SNES), and I like to immerse myself in games and fully experience the story. Really these two things go hand in hand, by completing a game 100% I know I have not missed anything and that I have seen all the game has to offer. With the advent of achievements on the Xbox 360, I looked at them as if they were a completion percentage. I thought to myself, "If I get all the achievements, that is 100% and I know I haven't missed anything!" I originally liked the idea of achievements, but recently that has b |
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Forum Posts: 130 | Comment #29 by Jimmy Hapa Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:15:06 PM | |
| At least with the Sega games you can post high scores and possible play online coop, which I assume is the added bonus for buying those games apart from the SUGC compilation. |
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Forum Posts: 244 | Comment #30 by Seiryu Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:21:02 PM | |
been changing thanks to DLC and online multiplayer. I'll just come out and say it, I know many people will disagree with me on this, but this is my opinion; I hate online multiplayer. Especially ranked games. Sportsmanship is dead in this day and age, more so online than anywhere else. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't find getting killed and ridiculed by people who devote hours upon hours of their lives to one game to be fun. I despise little kids who list themselves as "underground" gamers to look cool and then squeal like schoolgirls when they kill me. If I can just play private matches with my friends then that is fine, but I can't stand ranked. Because I want to have fun when playing a game I am not allowed to get achievements for it? That sounds like a broken syst |
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Forum Posts: 244 | Comment #31 by Seiryu Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:21:28 PM | |
| broken system to me. Requiring skill is one thing, I like difficult games which require skill, but things like glitching and spawn-camping are not skill. Another gripe I have with multiplayer is the amount of focus that is put on it in today's market. When online multiplayer first came around it wasn't in most games. The average game was at least 10+ hours of playtime in single-player, with most being longer. Now, the average single-player campaign is only 6+ hours, and nearly every game released has a multiplayer mode of some sort, which is usually a last minute addition that was tacked on and is miraculously sub-par. What I would love to see in a game with a good, balanced multiplayer mode which anyone can enjoy casually. I have well over 200 games, I don't want to be required to |
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Forum Posts: 244 | Comment #32 by Seiryu Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:21:54 PM | |
be required to play a single one of them for months just to build the skill required to play multiplayer competitively. As for DLC, I really don't have a problem with DLC or with DLC having achievements. I like DLC as long as it is good, and adds something to the story of the game. The problem I have is that most DLC released is overpriced, and there is a lot of DLC being pushed out that is purely there to make money and doesn't really add anything to the game that it is for. Pushing out a worthless DLC with 100 gamerscore attached to it and charging $10+ is not ok. I understand business, I know everyone in the gaming industry is out to make a buck, but I just wish they wouldn't ONLY be out to make a buck. Is it really impossible to make something that is profitable to a company |
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Forum Posts: 244 | Comment #33 by Seiryu Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 10:22:14 PM | |
and satisfying to a majority of the public? On a side note since I am ranting, I also hate the NXE, particularly the marketplace. I've sick of seeing nothing but Rock Band, Guitar Hero, and Lips when I look at new releases, and I really don't understand why every single thing I try to click on has to take a full 60 seconds or longer to load. Honestly, all things considered, I have been seriously considering getting a PS3 so that I have something else to play when I get frustrated with Microsoft, and if you knew my stance on Sony and the PS3, you would understand how bad it is for Microsoft that someone like me is considering that. /rant |
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Forum Posts: 209 | Comment #34 by -ToXiN- Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 12:16:13 AM | |
| Wow... a 5 post comment? Though i do agree with 90% of what you said, Seiryu, thanks for taking the time to write all that out! You really adressed many of the concerns us 360 gamers/achievement hunters have with games these days. |
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Forum Posts: 835 | Comment #35 by True Marvellous Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 01:46:09 AM | |
Totally agree, I as going to try and get Riddicks online cheevos, legit, but the games plagued with quitters, and of course they quit, it dosnt count anything. I should have near 500kills by now and about 20 wins, reality is I hav 56 kills and 1, yes one win. Soulution make online cheevos (if we have to have them) 0GS, Count everything on the fly , and not at the end of a match, and finnaly when setting targets, take a step back smell the roses, and honestly answer , is the online element of my game realy good enough to make people want to get this target. Oh and ban quitting scum. |
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Forum Posts: 44 | Comment #36 by Agent Mantis Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 04:58:56 AM | |
| Multiplayer achievements also seem to be the laziest to design, eg: Kill XXX many players, play XXX many games. Why can't developers bring some of the imagination seen in their offline counterparts to them? |
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Forum Posts: 336 | Comment #37 by Thicketford Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 05:14:19 AM | |
I don't mind online achievements if they're not over the top and there are enough people playing online. The problem I have is when you play an older game and there is literally nobody playing online. For popular games like Gears and Halo, it makes sense to have multiplayer achievements because you'll always have people playing them. FEAR is an example of a ridiculous multiplayer game. Play 1000 ranked games? What does playing 1000 games prove? Why not simply have 'win 100 games'? |
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Forum Posts: 423 | Comment #38 by BLQQDCQRE Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 05:23:14 AM | |
| Achievements are achievements people. Have fun with them. Holly shit, this isn't politics. |
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Forum Posts: 835 | Comment #39 by True Marvellous Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 05:39:40 AM | |
@38, Yes online cheevos can be fun, but the fun ends when some scum quits with seconds to spare losing everything you achieved in the game. 10k kills and 1k win on Riddick is a stupid number, made near impossible to obtain, in the way the devs intend it to achieved. |
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Forum Posts: 37 | Comment #40 by UsR Jimbob Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 11:40:18 AM | |
| i think online achievements should be removed as some people cant afford live so they only have a few games they can complete fully. or the extra 250 that games are allowed should be used for the multiplayer achievements. more and more games go over 1250 now anyway soit doesnt matter. |
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Forum Posts: 12 | Comment #41 by jinkaza1 Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 12:48:52 PM | |
| you know i actually really enjoyed the red faction demo. i mean i dunno about you guys. being able to smash every building in sight to pieces with a sledgehammer is my kinda game. :D |
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Forum Posts: 14709 | Comment #42 by Webb [STAFF] Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 01:42:31 PM | |
| @41 - Yeah me too, but I wasn't a fan of the online aspect when I played the beta. Again part of the problem of onerous multiplayer achievements ... putting them in a game that will have a small online community and will be pretty sub-standard/mediocre, etc. |
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Forum Posts: 466 | Comment #43 by APassingShadow Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 02:58:12 PM | |
| I am tired of multiplayer achievements as well. I find games without them to be much more enjoyable. |
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Forum Posts: 176 | Comment #44 by Mantra Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 02:59:27 PM | |
I just don't like online achievements that REQUIRE you to win. Most of them I just ignore. If they said "Play X online games", I'd use my Gold Subscription more... |
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Forum Posts: 64 | Comment #45 by AdmiralMoo Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 03:23:28 PM | |
| Is it just me or does that screenshot from UFC make you really really want to play the game? |
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Forum Posts: 1534 | Comment #46 by HalfEVILmonkey Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 06:07:14 PM | |
| Couldn't agree more on UFC and Red Guerilla. Unlike most people, I really liked Red Guerilla online during the beta, but the achievements are completely unrealistic. I will be passing on both games |
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Forum Posts: 27 | Comment #47 by ShirleyPeanut Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 06:14:59 PM | |
| I don't mid online achievements so long as people still play the game online and the achievements are not excessive. |
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Forum Posts: 423 | Comment #48 by BLQQDCQRE Monday, May 04, 2009 @ 04:15:38 AM | |
| Sounds like everybody here wants easy AVATAR 1000 point games. LOL. LAME!!!! I enjoy HARD achievements. I like time consuming ones too, becuase knowing cry like yourselves wont be able to atain them. I'm talking about the completionist not you regular fun game playing dudes. Peace |
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Forum Posts: 9 | Comment #49 by CrAcKdOwN360 Monday, May 04, 2009 @ 05:56:45 AM | |
| @13 - True. People complaining about online achievements, and Infinity Ward obviously feels the same. Not one online achievement, and it has one of, if not the, best online mode of any game. Online achievements are annoying, but the only reason their annoying to me is the fact that a developer half heartedly puts in a shitty online which nobody plays and expects you to go around playing hundreds of matches and killing thousands of people. Ridiculous. |
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Forum Posts: 114 | Comment #50 by JCFG Monday, May 04, 2009 @ 09:19:44 AM | |
| @1 - I agree. It really sucks to have 100% in a game and then losing it because of dlc. Yes gears of war 2, I'm look'n at you. |
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Forum Posts: 902 | Comment #51 by DemonI81 Monday, May 04, 2009 @ 09:38:37 AM | |
@ #1 Totally agree. They're using achievements as selling points and bait now, rather than as achievements. It's sad and annoying. Before I buy any new game now, I think "how much will the company milk this game with DLC and extra achievements? Is this a game I want to spend $10-$30 more on after I buy it for DLC to get 100% completion AGAIN?" Usually the answer to the second question is "no" so I haven't bought many games lately. |
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Forum Posts: 38 | Comment #52 by d3vilsnight Monday, May 04, 2009 @ 10:08:01 AM | |
| #1 -- No one can "make" you spend your money on anything you don't want to... |
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Forum Posts: 680 | Comment #53 by Grummy Monday, May 04, 2009 @ 11:21:55 AM | |
| #13 got it spot on. MP is about the quality of the game, not the skill of the players. If you're a hotshot at Halo or CoD then great, Kudos to you, but you don't need achievements to make it playable. For my money CoD4 is a perfect example of this. The MP is stellar on it, accessible to anyone, and enjoyable to all, no matter their skill level. If they were to add achievements to that experience then great, but to get the most from them they shouldn't just cater for the best of the best, but be something that is attainable by all whilst not forfitting the fun of playing the game. |
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Forum Posts: 579 | Comment #54 by F Swan Tuesday, May 05, 2009 @ 12:05:41 PM | |
Just make harder single player achieves rather than dumb online ones. DLC can be enjoyable however. |
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Forum Posts: 10 | Comment #55 by stevezep Tuesday, May 05, 2009 @ 04:39:03 PM | |
| I think they need tons of achievements for a game and make it to where they are 5 pts. each. But make it to where you are surprised when you get it. I know the Fable II ones are hilarious and some of them may require some skill yet some don't require any at all. I also don't care for the online cheeves, and a lot of times I don't even bother trying to get them since I don't know someone that has the game or they already have played the hell out of the game and they are done with it. It sucks. |
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Forum Posts: 26 | Comment #56 by Barry619 Wednesday, May 06, 2009 @ 06:58:30 AM | |
@#51 while your trying to moan about a company using achievements as a selling point, you've then gone on to say that you don't buy games just because you want to get 100% on them, so, if not fully in the correct way, you still have actually been baited into this. I remember a time before achievements when buying games was simple, and i still live like it, because it is simple! You buy the games you enjoy, you rent some others that you think could be ok and wanna check out, you avoid ones that are total rubbish or don't aren't you type of thing, thats all i've ever done, seems to make sense to me! And hey, while not the greatest, i've still got a pretty respectful gamerscore while doing it. As for UFC online achievements, i'll agree they aren't the most original, but this game is goi |
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Forum Posts: 50 | Comment #57 by captainawesomo Friday, May 08, 2009 @ 08:16:53 AM | |
| I cant believe that achievement have grown large enough to dictate what games people buy or how they play their games. Its honestly ridiculous. I love achievements I think that they add a whole new level of replayability to games, but when people start using the achievement system as a measure of what games they want to play it....well its plain stupid. Play the games you like and don't play what you don't like. Simple as that. |
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Forum Posts: 600 | Comment #58 by xCHICKEN DIXx Friday, May 08, 2009 @ 11:12:55 AM | |
| i hope codw2 dosent add online achieves cause the online was crap the single player on vet was great tho nothing like a game that puts u through hell n order 2 achieve victory u actually feel u worked and obtained something |
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Forum Posts: 3529 | Comment #59 by MediumMelanin Wednesday, May 13, 2009 @ 06:50:53 AM | |
way to freakin' go @ #9 and #10! :P |
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