The Current Achievement Rules Explained

Written Saturday, April 25, 2009 By Alan Pettit

There has been a rather large amount of controversy over the current state of our beloved achievement system. Just what is Microsoft doing these days? The only published "rules" that have been dictated were set in place over two years ago on the Gamerscore Blog, a publication which has since been shut down. I've been vocal over my concern, most recently in my news post announcing Fallout 3 upgrading to 1350 points. This was the third game to break the 1250 Maximum rule, again according to the now-defunct Gamerscore Blog's February 2007 rules posting. (NOTE: I was in the process of writing this article when Fable 2 also upgraded to 1350, which is why I did not complain in that one.)

Well, anyone who said complaining doesn't get results can have this as an example to the contrary. Shortly after posting that news, I received a message from a very credible source with information on what the current practices are. They were unsure if the information I'll be sharing was supposed to be public knowledge or not, so just in case, to protect their job, we'll leave it at "my source" for now. Obviously we would still like to see Microsoft themselves put it into print, but for now, here is the current state of our achievement system, exclusively from the best achievement site and one of the top Xbox 360 sites on the net, your friendly neighborhood x360a!

This explains Halo's mad jump to 1750 late last year, as well as Gears 2, Fable 2 and Fallout 3 passing 1250, and announced jumps for GTA and Saints Row 2. Obviously the old max of 1250 is smashed to bits, though the number is a bit odd. Why not 1500 or 2000? Regardless, we still have one rule-breaker with The Orange Box sitting at 99 achievements. That will perhaps be the exception to the rule since it was apparently before these "new" rules were set and since it is such a unique game overall. Valve swears they are going to add new achievements when (or at this point if) they release their Team Fortress 2 update. According to this, they are just talking through their teeth, because it won't be allowed. We'll see how that one plays out.

This is a an interesting stipulation, but it does explain some things. My source used Fallout 3 as an example, Bethesda only adding 100 points for each of the first two content packs, then going over 250 with the third pack, since it was a new quarter at that point. It also explains how Fable recently added 13 achievements from one single DLC, having only used up 3 achievements in its first quarter. Finally, Halo jumping straight to 1750 is also explained, since it had been over a year (four quarters) since the game's release when that happened. My source confirmed that this rule is in place to stop companies from releasing a whole slew of content immediately after a game's release to hit its 1750 max right away, instead leaving the game to be supplied with smaller bits of content for months and months after release, or a big helping later down the road if they so choose. The additions are cumulative, letting companies plan big expansions with a huge amount of extra achievements, or still allowing them to stick with smaller additions over a number of releases such as we've seen lately.

Unfortunately, Microsoft only had that much to say on the subject. I asked my source if there were any rules regarding the requirement of peripherals such as the Vision Camera (Rainbow Six, Rayman, etc.) or any word on requiring another title to unlock an achievement (Madden 07, Battlestations: Pacific, etc.) but none were given that they could confirm for me. I also asked if the recent rumor regarding "no achievements for free content" was true (in the case of Valve adding "Steam Achievements" for its PC games with free DLC, but not adding any achievements for the 360 versions with the same DLC) and again they had no confirmed knowledge of that. So as enlightening as this information is, there is still a lot left to be made clear. Hopefully if we scream loud enough, someone at Microsoft will hear us and clarify things further.

But where does this new information leave gamers? Personally, I can't really afford to do nothing but purchase and keep games, instead using Gamefly and trade-in services for my gaming needs. I consider myself a completionist as well, so I have had to re-rent or re-purchase multiple games once more achievements have been released (on top of purchasing the DLC), and sadly I see this becoming a much bigger trend for companies to have continued success (financially) from a single title. There have been reports going around that DLC is one of the tools companies are using to combat the second hand gaming market, removing the temptation to trade away their game and selling more units at the regular retail level. Seeing as the inclusion of achievements is one of the biggest draws to DLC (most of the articles we run about DLC are riddled with comments like "No achievements = No buy"), I can see this method being quite successful. However, are more achievements, regardless of how they are offered, a good thing... or will gaming companies only see this an as opportunity to nickle and dime us to death with every release?

User Comments

Forum Posts: 38	Comment #1 by xSiNx RaMpAGe x Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:16:50 AM	(0)
	ok ok

Forum Posts: 137	Comment #2 by Nck90 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:22:39 AM	(0)
	I'm getting to the point where dlc itself is just getting way to expensive, I'm almost to that point where I'm not gonna care about achievements anymore because I spend 60 bucks on a game.. we'll use RE5 as an example.. get my 1000 out of it .. and then a month later we have to spend another 5 bucks for addon content to get 200 more gamerscore out of it .. that's ok for now.. but can someone explaim to me how come I had to spend 40 bucks for Beautiful Katamari and then have to turn around and spend money on addons to get my 1000 .. pretty sure MS said the first 1000 points where suppose to included on the disc or through free content.. or am I the only one who complains about that game still.. ?

Forum Posts: 3045	Comment #3 by Hot Juicy Pie Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:24:01 AM	(0)
	Madness!

Forum Posts: 529	Comment #4 by dreamweaver1984 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:24:13 AM	(0)
	im sick of DLC... it needs to be done with.. its just to nickle and dime us.. if the content is made for specific game.. it should be included in the game... of course MS likes the dlc being added because they can make money off of it..

Forum Posts: 206	Comment #5 by SasileUchiha92 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:25:09 AM	(0)
	If I like a game enough, i'll buy the DLC for it with or without achievements. Like the Lost Odyssey DLC, I didn't even know it had achievements with it, but I bought it anyway. I think achievements with DLC is plus. I like this new limits.

Forum Posts: 144	Comment #6 by Comatose Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:26:17 AM	(0)
	I prefer DLC to have achievements, But i dont mind if they dont if the content is good enough. We used to game without achievements right? That shouldnt change. People whom say "No Achievements= = No buy" are just wasting their time gaming and selling themselves short of some decent gaming experiences. Achievements dont make a game no matter how fun they are collecting. These rules are odd but i see how it all makes sense.

Forum Posts: 529	Comment #7 by dreamweaver1984 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:28:54 AM	(0)
	my new rule.. is if i have 1k in the game(all original achievements i will consider the dlc. other wise they can shove that dlc somewhere else

Forum Posts: 214	Comment #8 by zyxomma100 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:32:23 AM	(0)
	I don't like the 1750 cap. Seems like an odd number to me, but now that it's there, I hope it stays there. The 80 achievement limit is stupid. There's no reason for it. The Orange Box is the closest I'll get to my dream game of 200 fun-to-earn 5 point achievements. There's other things that annoy me, including the Vision Camera achievements and the ones that require another game to unlock. I actually like the "no achievements for free DLC" rule. Yeah, it sucks when genuine good free DLC can't be given achievements, but the rule also prevents developers from inflating gamerscore values for their games by withholding content and releasing it as "free DLC" with achievements added. With the advent of paid download keys (which MS needs to BAN), it's easy to see that happening.

Forum Posts: 15221	Comment #9 by The Pants Party [STAFF] Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:34:52 AM	(0)
	#2: No DLC was required for the original 1000 points in Beautiful Katamari. Wherever you got that idea, you were misinformed. I got my 1000 before any of the DLC levels were available on the marketplace. The DLC was strictly for the 250 extra points.

Forum Posts: 1158	Comment #10 by RagingClue Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:38:23 AM	(0)
	if its max 80 achievements how can orange box have 99?

Forum Posts: 1672	Comment #11 by ThrillKillBill Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:39:47 AM	(0)
	@#9 When Orange box was being produced M$ was re-writing the allowed amounts of achievements rule. Valve was told they could have a max of 99 achievements and they used them. Between then and the actual release of the game M$ was still trying to decide of the "rules" and they ended up deciding a max of 80 after orange box was released. Regardless, orange box will not get any DLC achievements cause they fucked themselves doing 99 in the retail. Stupid, i know. makes little sense, i know. its how it is until M$ changes their minds again later this year or sometime next year

Forum Posts: 15221	Comment #12 by The Pants Party [STAFF] Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:40:34 AM	(0)
	#9: As I said in the article, that is currently the exception to the rule; it was in place before these new rules were created.

Forum Posts: 214	Comment #13 by zyxomma100 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:42:57 AM	(0)
	Anyway, I don't mind the influx of DLC. I just choose not to buy the vast majority of it because I think it's overpriced. If MS would lighten up on the pricing for DLC and arcade games, they'd see a LOT more of my money, but that's just me. And Pants Party, are you sure? I haven't played BK too much, but my roommate played that to death. He got 100 hours playtime, all obtainable cousins, 100% collection, most of the online achievements, all missions in normal and time attack, the whole nine yards... and he's not even close to 1000.

Forum Posts: 626	Comment #14 by its delicious Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:47:03 AM	(0)
	The DLC/achievement situation a tough choice for those who like 100% achievements, but it's clear some people will pay for that. As an example, I paid only $25 for the full Mass Effect experience. DLC will likely never come down in price, but the original titles always do. Being patient is key to getting an affordable 100% experience.

Forum Posts: 1672	Comment #15 by ThrillKillBill Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:48:37 AM	(0)
	i beat you pants AND wrote more =-p

Forum Posts: 864	Comment #16 by sanger Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:53:54 AM	(0)
	#13: Maybe he doesn't play "normal" mode all that much as there is one huge achievement for 200 normal requests completed? Katamari achievements have huge point values for the hours played, collection %, requests completed, online games, etc so if he didn't complete the last of those sets of achievements he will have low gamerscore in the game overall. The game can definitely be 1000 without any DLC and 1250 requires all DLC.

Forum Posts: 15221	Comment #17 by The Pants Party [STAFF] Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:58:25 AM	(0)
	Haha, you suck Thrill! Yeah, my last comment was directed at #10 but someone was ahead of me. And #13: Yes, I'm sure. Check my achievements. I had 1000 in BK before the DLC levels hit the marketplace.

Forum Posts: 1745	Comment #18 by ThrawnOmega Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:06:35 AM	(0)
	I expressed similar concerns a while back: http://thrawnomega.blogspot.com/2009/02/gamerscore-inflation-how-more-points.html It'll be interesting to see what more developers do with this... Thanks for the info Pants!

Forum Posts: 25	Comment #19 by detective virus Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:28:37 AM	(0)
	i agree #8

Forum Posts: 106	Comment #20 by Adrenaline240 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:30:07 AM	(0)
	DLC that comes out a week or two after a game comes out is BS because that means it was finished in time to put in the game. DLC like the halo map packs that take a long time to create after the game is on shelves is ok in my book.

Forum Posts: 268	Comment #21 by macd Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:33:34 AM	(0)
	DLC pisses me off for the most part. Most DLC is pretty poor and well over priced for what you get. Especially sinc ei buy a lot of older games so i can get them for like £10-£15. TBH these rules mean bugger all. The last rules were eventually broken, what's to stop it happening again. And liek others... 1750 is a weird number, should have got 1500 or 2000. Or like 1873 to totally confuse people.

Forum Posts: 81	Comment #22 by Heartbeat Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:36:11 AM	(0)
	I'm not sure about the "no achievements for free DLC" speculation. Granted it was a year ago, but Bioshock released it's Free DLC (with the extra [not to mention crappy] plasmids) and it came with the Brass Balls achievement.

Forum Posts: 50	Comment #23 by Jack LeChat Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:40:41 AM	(0)
	i think they should put a 2000 point cap with max 1000 on disc and max 1000 on DLC and no cap on how many achievements they can have, that gives the developers a lot of flexibility and the possibilities to keep the games we spend our hard earned money on fresh for a lot longer

Forum Posts: 200	Comment #24 by kingrich06 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:48:13 AM	(0)
	if a company pays enough(generate) money for MS, MS will will look the other way.

Forum Posts: 213	Comment #25 by The Reaper0 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:52:09 AM	(0)
	To be completely honest I don't mind the whole 'games-going-over-the-1250-max' If the game is decent and there is DLC that is worthy of more achievements. So be it! Unfortunately I don't have a decent computer where I can play games like The Orange Box with no worries so I get it on the Xbox 360, all my online friends are from Xbox Live and The Orange Box along with Left 4 Dead are two of my favorite games and it absolutely kills me I can't get all the insane online achievements for Team Fortress 2, for the amount of play time I'd get out of the new PC Team Fortress 2 achievements I'd be willing to pay as much as Valve saw fit. How ever, the increasing amount of developers who think "Hey, how about we make a whole bunch of download able content that people will love! but here's the catch,

Forum Posts: 15221	Comment #26 by The Pants Party [STAFF] Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:52:14 AM	(0)
	#21: Yeah, BioShock and Kane and Lynch both had free DLC with achievements, but since then... nothing. We'll see. :)

Forum Posts: 71	Comment #27 by crymepayz Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:59:24 AM	(0)
	The timeshift maps were free for a limited period and they brought some more free cheevo's too.

Forum Posts: 337	Comment #28 by mksystem74 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:02:11 PM	(0)
	there is no stopping DLC, the numbers show that. These "completionlists" have become so damn annoying with their complaining. For what ever reason people on an achievement site who look for ways to boost their gamerscore complain about games giving them an opportunity to get more gamerscore. It doesn't make sense. A lot of them buy Arcade games just for the extra 200 points they can get. Then turn around and complain "Fable 2 broke the 1250 rule now I got to spend money and blah blah blah" Shut up! Not saying all, but a lot of them are like that. DLC is a smart business platform. Achievements are not the reason they make DLC though. Look at Rock Band who releases DLC every week, but they don't raise the gamerscore on the game. They know people will buy it, BUT Rock band is WAY differen

Forum Posts: 213	Comment #29 by The Reaper0 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:02:22 PM	(0)
	Ah, stupid word limit, I got carried away.:p

Forum Posts: 167	Comment #30 by The Globalizer Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:04:55 PM	(0)
	Of course DLC is to nickel and dime us -- but as long as the content is worth the cost, what's the complaint, really? And I'm sure they're trying to cover their losses on the second-hand market. Honestly, if companies make more money on their elite products, they'll typically spend more development cash on the unusual and innovative games, with less worry about their corporate bottom line. (One example that comes to mind is EA with their sports franchises and their development of innovative games such as Mirror's Edge and Army of Two.) I'd rather have strong, successful, diverse gaming companies, instead of 5 companies relying on launch week to make all of their cash -- that is a recipe for half-completed, overhyped, or just bad games, something that is very common in the PC gaming w

Forum Posts: 87	Comment #31 by dylanmannen Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:09:42 PM	(0)
	1350 is god for fallout 3 i think, and som more achivementes for fable 2 is fun. and i want more achivements for grand theft auto. way is it so bad. i like when it comes more achivements. then i have a reason to play that game again. but fu.k online achievements. the achievements for halo 3 is ok. but i dont like the gears achievements.

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #32 by asilent boom Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:13:22 PM	(0)
	@27 so did the 1st GOW which are still free. Wonder how long these rules last until they are changed.

Forum Posts: 337	Comment #33 by mksystem74 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:15:06 PM	(0)
	got cut off... WAY different than Fable 2 or Fallout or Halo 3. So it comes down to 2 things. 1) Is DLC for so and so game gonna sell? 2) How will we make a profit on it? In some cases only way DLC will sell if if they add achievements. Others they want to just give their fans of the game more to do. MS does a good job regulating DLC/Achievements cause if Avatar released DLC to cost $10 for an extra 100-250... That's when you can complain. But for successful franchises like Halo, Fable and Fallout... Seriously, just leave it be.

Forum Posts: 10	Comment #34 by Taggsta Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:15:59 PM	(0)
	Should be either 1000 or 2000....looks better on your profile and for comparing friends

Forum Posts: 167	Comment #35 by The Globalizer Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:17:43 PM	(0)
	...world.

Forum Posts: 485	Comment #36 by DarqStalker Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:39:56 PM	(0)
	If no one did the math yet: the extra 750 points is due to having 3 quarters for 250 points each.

Forum Posts: 951	Comment #37 by Chaosflare Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:41:13 PM	(0)
	Orange Box should just be pardoned, considering they were originally 3+ games that were sold separately. :/

Forum Posts: 8	Comment #38 by Homicidal_inc Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:48:59 PM	(0)
	Ok Why Are people Bitching Over Such Trivial Shit! Who Cares it a cap is broken arnt Gammers Rebels in some way or another. Isnt that Why Mortal Kombat Broke the rulz. Man I am a gammer from the 80's and Now, and Gammers today are to Damn Whinny! Get over it. DLC is anywhere from 400 to 1200 MSP! you would pay that if it Wound Up At Gamestop On a Disc! This is the New Damn Age and I am Starting to see a down fall in Gammrs. You Have to many A$$holes moding systems cause they suck ass at a game and make the gameplay crap for others! You Have Punk A$$ kids Glitching And posting On Youtube thinking they are Cool! Shut Up Or Stop Gaming! We didnt hear this kind of Whinning Back in thte 8 bit days back then is was NES or Sega what side you were on well I was on Booth! I am So sick of How trivia

Forum Posts: 8	Comment #39 by Homicidal_inc Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:48:59 PM	(0)
	trivial People has gotten in this world! People that got nuts if they dont get a 100% compltion in 1 week! a game is made to enjoy not try to prove how bad ass you are! thats why I am Gald Gears of War has 100,000 kills and Level 100 it give me somthen to strive for and wheen I finally do get it in a Given time I will feel Acomplished not like these JackA$$ Glitchers I just got my 53,595 Zombie Kills On L4D and I felt Great casue I am a Huge Zombie Fan! So bottom Line stop wasting you life away Bitching About such small non important Crap And Play The Damn Game you or somone else spent good money on! If you dont want to Buy DLC then dont no one is putting a gun to your head sayen you have too, and if you feel the need that you are not acumplished cause you didnt buy it then you need some d

Forum Posts: 8	Comment #40 by Homicidal_inc Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:48:59 PM	(1)
	damn Help! Gameing Is Made to be fun Not Obsesive!

Forum Posts: 548	Comment #41 by squid5580 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:52:11 PM	(0)
	I just think any DLC achs should not go onto a gamercard unless we buy it. If I don't buy a game that game doesn't go in my list so why is DLC any different? I don't see why (take RE5 for example) that it couldn't come up as a separate game RE5 MP map achs. I don't like the feeling of being punished for not liking certain DLC which is what they are doing. I have no interest in it whatsoever, I never played it and have no intentions of ever buying it yet my score reads like I have tried and failed.

Forum Posts: 19	Comment #42 by FoolKiller Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 12:59:08 PM	(0)
	A few things I would like to bring up.... in no particular order. 1. 99 SHOULD be the max not 80. I have a feeling it is a hard cap in terms of the technology, as they only allowed for two digits so it would probably need the re-writing of some of the software to fix that. 2. Achievements should be up to 2000. 1750 is just odd. Don't worry, they will probably boost it with another add-on to Halo. 3. DLC is designed to milk people. But if you want it, then buy it. Otherwise, ignore it. I have spent nearly $100 for music for Rock Band and I think it was worth it. I only really object when stuff like the Prince of Persia epilogue shows up when it could have been on the disc. 4. I think that if I haven't purchased the content, the achievements shouldn't show up in my gamersc

Forum Posts: 30	Comment #43 by abigfrog Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:00:36 PM	(0)
	Great article!

Forum Posts: 466	Comment #44 by APassingShadow Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:01:15 PM	(0)
	Most DLC is a rip off, I can't believe people spend the money on it like it is nothing... Then to make it worse they make the achievements for DLC only available if you pay for the DLC?? That's just wrong. Example: Knothole Island from Fable 2. You can download the free version and 'watch' your friend beat it, but you are just a shadow that can't even hurt the enemies(?) and you get no achievements even tho you are there. No buy one get one frees from M$ appearantly.

Forum Posts: 3	Comment #45 by DecadentSlacker Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:06:15 PM	(0)
	I don't see these new set of rules as a bad thing in any way. DLC and DLC achievements help me give games new life far after I normally would have set them aside. Having more points to go along with more DLC is a positive, as now we may start seeing three to four pieces of new content over time for the most popular titles. With that being said, I'm still very picky on which DLC I decide to buy. If I did not enjoy a game pretty deeply the first time around, then there is no way I'm purchasing DLC for it. I can understand wanting to be a "completionist" with the games you put on your list, but honestly man...it's not worth it. The next thing I would like to see addressed is the limit on arcade titles. I think we might need a new category besides "arcade" and "X-Box Originals." Imagin

Forum Posts: 19	Comment #46 by FoolKiller Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:10:18 PM	(0)
	continued from post #39 4. I think that if I haven't purchased the content, the achievements shouldn't show up in my gamerscore. Having 1000 out of 1250 is sad because I don't wish to buy the content and I completed it fully. 5. This is more for the wonderful people in charge of this site. I really like the printable lists and such, but I would suggest 2 adjustments to the achievement lists you post. If at all possible you should show which achievements are multiplayer, and then when you add it later you should show which belong to DLC so that it would be easier for me to figure out what I can and cannot go after. Cheers.

Forum Posts: 5145	Comment #47 by Parkerktm Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:17:27 PM	(0)
	very interesting. Good source webb

Forum Posts: 120	Comment #48 by Madtown B Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:18:58 PM	(0)
	The cap on the number of acheivements is not there because they cannot add anymore due to the software. This might get a little nerdy, but each acheivement probably has an 8 bit "address" that shows the xbox where to go to find information about it. You can have 256 different combinations with an 8 bit code, so the system maximum is probably 256. I think you guys are missing the point of DLC. It is for the hardcore fans who loved the game so much that they just gotta have more. Most of you are treating DLC like it is a tragedy that you have to buy/rent the game again. Well, the fact that sold/rented the game to begin with just means that you aren't the group of people that DLC is catering too. Personally, I only buy DLC that I am interested in, i don't worry about the acheviements.

Forum Posts: 1280	Comment #49 by Chuppernicus Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:25:06 PM	(0)
	Bitch, Bitch, Bitch.

Forum Posts: 286	Comment #50 by Diaxen Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:28:06 PM	(0)
	It should be obvious to everyone that Microsoft cares far more about making money than they do about DLC. Sorry buds, I'm a completionist and despise DLC achievements. Take Gears of War 2 for example. Most of the online multiplayer achievements were attainable, allowing you to get 1000 without too much fuss, and letting you move onto better games. But no, they insisted on releasing those horribly priced map packs with multiplayer achievements. Right, because I really want to subject myself to the horribly broken and unplayable GOW2 multiplayer again? No thanks. Make 1000 the cap for all games, screw DLC achievements! I no longer care about achievements because of all the nickle and diming.

Forum Posts: 23	Comment #51 by Sergeant Saix Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:35:34 PM	(0)
	Good Article. Thanks for the heads up, it answered alot of questions.

Forum Posts: 116	Comment #52 by DeadAtTheScene Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:36:32 PM	(0)
	i think 1750 is a terrible cap. this is almost as stupid as condmened 970. wtf was that about. it looks terrible on your list. IMO games should have A 2000 cap, arcades 200 (maybe even 500 as long as it never increases again) and xbox orignals maybe 500 or 1000. they dont seem to sell much anyway... or do they? and NO number max. id LOVE 200 5 point cheevys

Forum Posts: 9	Comment #53 by Ultra Damon Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:37:41 PM	(0)
	I think one of the best uses of DLC was the collectors edition of NFS Undercover. It meant that everyone had the same game and upgraded if they wanted, giving the choice to the player. Also if u sold the game and then wanted to play it again sometimw, you could use any copy of the game. As for the points increases on games, the more score the better in my opinion cause at the end of the day it is the gamer who chooses whether or not to buy the extra content. Some of the prices are steep but I am sure the cost of making the DLC justifies the price in most cases! :)

Forum Posts: 22	Comment #54 by V4R14N7 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:40:22 PM	(0)
	They need to make it show on your game information that you did not infact but the new DLC. Let's take Tomb Raider for example. It should always say 1000/1000 if you didn't buy the Ann. update.

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #55 by baseballplaya52 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:40:33 PM	(0)
	personally i dont really care about achievments w/free or not free dlc i dont really get 1750 cap or 80 cap y those # y not 2000 or 100 it would be so much easier and i also think dlc cost should go down over time just like the orginal game cost does

Forum Posts: 3	Comment #56 by DecadentSlacker Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:41:45 PM	(0)
	I think that worrying too much over this being a "completionist" thing is absurd. If you didn't like Gears of War 2's multiplayer, then why in the world would you care about getting achievements based on playing that aspect of the game? Just playing a game, or a part of a game which you garner no enjoyment from for the gamerscore is pointless. Some people are like masochist with their achievement hunting. I try pretty hard for achievements too, but I'm not going to have my ego burned by not being able to get 100% achievements on certain titles.

Forum Posts: 15221	Comment #57 by The Pants Party [STAFF] Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:50:29 PM	(0)
	#47, what's Webb got to do with this? :P

Forum Posts: 116	Comment #58 by DeadAtTheScene Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 01:54:45 PM	(0)
	lol @ the "good source webb"

Forum Posts: 56	Comment #59 by Jatan Detrevni Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 02:01:55 PM	(0)
	#40 agree fully, people r spoiled, the kids now donnt know how it was to play a game just to play it, the new inovations, the lack of playing with other people because of just one player being available. GS is just icing on the cake to a good game, who gives a damn if limits r less or more? pay the price or dont for dlc, when it comes to it, games r meant for fun not who is the most uber elitist at GS

Forum Posts: 330	Comment #60 by ch9209live Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 02:16:08 PM	(0)
	@ 46 agree with 4. , i have FAable 2, Fallout 3, SW TFU, Oblivion and Phantasy Star Universe with 1k G but no DLCs, which i think is shitty (plus couple of other games that have over 1k G but i don't have full 1k) and i think no achs. total limit, but 2k Retail Game limit (1k + 1k with DLCs)

Forum Posts: 268	Comment #61 by Lord of Orion Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 02:18:43 PM	(1)
	I would love to know what they are going to do about the problem of online achievements becoming "Unobtainable" ... EA Sports is a great example of this. I could go to Target, Walmart, or Best Buy (Circuit City was what brought this to mind though) and pick up a copy of Tiger Woods 2006 and not be able to get some of the achievements (all I think) ... wouldn't that violate the "no achievements that cannot be obtained without extra stuff" rule that was in place and drew controversy like Fable II did?

Forum Posts: 902	Comment #62 by DemonI81 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 02:35:51 PM	(0)
	DLC has become a joke. It is no longer extra content added at a later date for most companies. Now it's become, what can we hold back form the retail and then release 2 weeks later and get another $10 out of everyone. Or what can we add to the disc and then charge gamers to "unlock" calling it DLC. The use of achievements is getting on my nerves too. Achievements are being used as a selling point, rather than a bonus. Companies are pumping out horrible, overpriced DLC with the knowledge they'd sell 2 copies if they don't add achievements, so they add a bunch of extra achievements to the crappy DLC to get sales. The entire achievement system has been compromised, first with Halo 3 and now with many other games/companies taking advantage of it, thus totally degrading and ruining the system

Forum Posts: 11	Comment #63 by iLuSioN ReaL Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 02:42:43 PM	(0)
	Theres should not be achievements or gamerscore in a game

Forum Posts: 15	Comment #64 by danny hampson Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 02:46:06 PM	(0)
	gears dlc is stupied, u have to buy the maps so you can get the achievements for level 50 and 100 because you have to play and win on the snowblind maps, am glad i brought them but its harsh on all those who aint, there just sucking money out of us!

Forum Posts: 584	Comment #65 by Captain Urahara Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 02:54:33 PM	(0)
	I would love for Valve's TF2 update on 360 to get achievements but it's doubtful at this point. I would still pay for the update whether it had achievements or not.

Forum Posts: 15	Comment #66 by Jew Tremin Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 02:58:48 PM	(0)
	Madness Comment 3?? THIS IS X360ACHIEVEMENTS.ORG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forum Posts: 16	Comment #67 by Danmaku 1CC Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 03:10:36 PM	(0)
	i think its a good way for the companies to get money from pirates, but as a completionist i think if a game has dlc, the achievemnets should only show up on your list if you've purchased the cotent

Forum Posts: 36	Comment #68 by Kr0ni Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 03:11:43 PM	(0)
	I figure this is the exact thing YOU want. More Achievements = More reason to come to your site.

Forum Posts: 13	Comment #69 by Master Neilson Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 03:19:11 PM	(0)
	Why do microsoft milk eveything? They've got a great achievement system and they always take advantage of us the gamers.

Forum Posts: 71	Comment #70 by yamiseth Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 03:42:39 PM	(0)
	I miss the good old days where games didn't have achievements, and you just played them for the fun :/ Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go get more points.

Forum Posts: 87	Comment #71 by lost-catalyst Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 04:00:23 PM	(0)
	i don't see a problem with this whole situation. This means you no longer pay 10 bucks for 50 points. and gives games a longer life. I honestly think this is a good idea. I don't get why some people are complaining about this. Plus it keeps the temptation away from trading in games too. In anyway you're not forced to buy them and you're not forced to get the full points anyway. People would complain if there was a cap of 1000 or no cap at all.

Forum Posts: 145	Comment #72 by Cymru kakashi Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 04:08:32 PM	(0)
	DLC is quickly becoming a joke, Sure a few maps every now and then i'm happy to pay for but tiny bits of DLC are coming out for the games I just bought. I find it ridiculous, DLC should be like shivering isles was, an EXPANSION to the game like PC games have been doing for years not some overprices comstumes (I'm looking at you SF4)

Forum Posts: 594	Comment #73 by x 19 Luke 87 x Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 04:17:32 PM	(0)
	Lets be honest. Its all to do with how much money they can make from it.

Forum Posts: 407	Comment #74 by KingSigy Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 04:23:17 PM	(0)
	This whole added achievement thing is ridiculous. I don't understand why companies can't provide the additional achievements in a separate title. Do it like Rock Band and make track packs, or something. Those track packs allow people who really want the extra points to get them and let the other users who want a simple 1000 to have that as well.

Forum Posts: 680	Comment #75 by Grummy Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 04:25:58 PM	(0)
	The idea that DLC is made to 'Nickle and Dime' us is inherently flawed. Additional content has been around for a long time in games, and in many cases we've had to pay for it, achievements or not. RTS games like Dawn of War and Warcraft 3 have expansions, additional content to the original game that interacts with said original game, so do some RPG's, Neverwinter Nights, Morrowind. And not its not just PC games that have this trend, console games too, ineed Morrowind was also available on the original Xbox and to get the new content on that we had to buy the whol game again! The same goes for Fable with the lost chapters. OK, granted none of these were DLC, but with regards to the PC games, the medium may be different, but the principle remains, as for console, well the ability was there

Forum Posts: 242	Comment #76 by JustAFriend Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 04:36:57 PM	(0)
	nice one xbox360a, keep on the case for us all!!

Forum Posts: 9	Comment #77 by waterhead71 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 04:52:47 PM	(0)
	I call shenanigans!!

Forum Posts: 126	Comment #78 by strikerzex911 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 04:56:44 PM	(0)
	Something should be done because eventually every developer will release a half-assed game, and release the rest as dlc. Fuck that.

Forum Posts: 609	Comment #79 by TheFalcon Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 05:06:17 PM	(0)
	solving this DLC crisis is as simple as doing 3 things. 1. make the DLC appear SEPERATE on your gamercard from the retail game. this appeals to completionists who can get their 1000 and then decide "ehh this DLC isn't worth it" and not buy it, without having to worry about their completion %. 2. include a trial version of the DLC for free. we already have trial versions for arcades and demos for retail, so why not DLC? they can do a system where you could play only half the DLC to sample it or have full access for only a 48 hour period and then it expires. 3. have the DLC drop in price much like how retail games do. have a 30% drop in 3 months and then maybe a 50% drop after 6 months. but this will likely never happen because it's too convenient to never change prices for DLC c

Forum Posts: 5	Comment #80 by VileZero Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 05:21:33 PM	(0)
	lol people are actually crying about them making more achievements available through DLC? you guys are crazy.

Forum Posts: 12	Comment #81 by JackOfBlades13 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 05:22:38 PM	(0)
	Well, some light being shed is better than no light. Still, it doesn't cover low-quality Achs by forcing the devs to not spoil major points in the game by not making some Achs into Secret Achs; I hate when they do that.

Forum Posts: 160	Comment #82 by sinista12 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 05:45:56 PM	(0)
	I don't like the dlc. I mean its nice to have new things added to games to keep you playing and that's the only plus. The problem is its 10 for just maps which you might like 1 or 2 out of them all. And you have to buy them in order to get the full gamerscore in the game. I doubt anything will change with it but the amount of dlc is greatly increasing and its hard for people to get it all. I just hope it doesn't get out of hand and they start charging for more stuff.

Forum Posts: 42	Comment #83 by Bajcz Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 05:48:57 PM	(0)
	i agree with #80

Forum Posts: 1225	Comment #84 by dirge Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 05:58:57 PM	(0)
	Here is what Valve have said recently about TF2 on Xbox... The XBox 360 update is still being worked on. If you're wondering what's taking so long, since the content is "done" on the PC already, it's mostly been around fitting it all onto the XBox. The original version of TF2 in the Orange Box was very close to the XBox's memory limit, and all the additional TF2 content we've produced has pushed well beyond it. We've found a couple of nifty ways to get back a bunch of that memory, but it's turned out to be a lot of work, and that's what most of our time is being spent on. In the meantime, we're going to get a code update out to address the server cheating that's going on. Found on... http://www.teamfortress.com/

Forum Posts: 34	Comment #85 by OblivionsRow Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 06:14:10 PM	(0)
	i agree with comment #80

Forum Posts: 10	Comment #86 by Crash McCloud Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 06:21:43 PM	(0)
	I think that there should be no limit what so ever, if a company wants to put 100 achievements in a game then let them, hell it works for the Playstation 3, they don't have a limit on Trophies to my understandings.

Forum Posts: 249	Comment #87 by xxNIGHTWINGxxx Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 06:33:34 PM	(0)
	I love achievements. I want more. If it's a good game and some good dlc, and they add achievements to it, here is my money Microsoft and/or third party publishers. If the games like Fallout 3, Fable 2, Halo 3, and etc. want to keep churning out great dlc and break or bend the cap, then who cares. If achievements are a form of way to get our attention to some dlc, then do it. I am an achievement whore. That is why I frequent this site to see what achievements are out there and which are obtainable. I dropped some MS points on Saints Row 2 for the easy achievements. For example call Tera Patrick for the phone sex achievement....Easy achievement. Thank you Volition for those easy points and bless you Bungie, Bethesda Game Studios, and Lionhead Studios for bending the rules.

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #88 by Decent Fellow Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 06:49:48 PM	(0)
	Personally, I think a limit on achievements is stupid. I mean really, what does it matter if a game has 1000 points or 1250 or 1750 or even 2000? Is it really that big of a deal? The way I see it, the more achievements the better. If there is some legitimate reason for why there should be a limit on achievements and DLC, please tell me, I would love to know. In the meantime, I'm going to hope that Microsoft ignores the complainers and gives us as many achievements as the developers want.

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #89 by GunnerBinx25 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 07:14:00 PM	(0)
	k i think that the original disc should have 1000 GS on it. no more. no less. to me that 1000 gamerscore could be divided into 50 achievements or 100 achievements. and i dont think there should be a limit on achievements (i.e. multiple dlc's). but the only reason a game should get capped off is when they are making stupid achievements like shoot one enmemy in the face and get 100 gamerscore. thats just retarded. then everybodies GS would skyrocket and it wouldn't be fun to get achievements anymore. it would be like the challenge is sucked right outta them.

Forum Posts: 25	Comment #90 by detective virus Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 07:14:06 PM	(0)
	http://www.xboxlc.com/cards/sig/gow/DetectiveVirus.jpg I THINK ALL GAMES SHOULD MAX OUT AT 1250

Forum Posts: 19	Comment #91 by FoolKiller Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 07:18:03 PM	(0)
	Responding to #48 by Madtown B I know what you are talking about. I meant more along the lines of possibly designing the display to handle only 2 characters (ie. 99). A weak analogy albeit the best I can think of is the Y2K. So it isn't that I think that it couldn't internally handle it, I just think that they designed it to show two digits and it is easier to cap the limit rather than rework something that no game would really take advantage of.

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #92 by GunnerBinx25 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 07:27:22 PM	(0)
	@87, btw achievement whores are gay. achievements should be a challenge. you shouldnt buy a game to strictly get achievements. now trust me if an achievement is to kill X amount of enemies with X gun, id do it cuz its fun. but your the type that would spend 10 hours collecting little things for a 5 point achievement. fucking stupid.

Forum Posts: 19	Comment #93 by FoolKiller Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 07:35:52 PM	(0)
	@ #92 by GunnerBinx25 I wouldn't go that far. I chase achievements b/c I enjoy trying for the things that I wouldn't normally do. It gives me greater use of the game and something to try for other than beating it (since nowadays clearing games requires no skill in most cases... sorrie, im an old school 80s gamer). However I would never buy/play a game b/c it is an easy 1000 and I would never not play a game I enjoy (Guitar Hero III, I'm looking at you) because I suck at it and have trouble earning more than one or two hundred points.

Forum Posts: 93	Comment #94 by Phantomlocket Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 07:49:16 PM	(0)
	i personally believe that games should only come to 1000g. it looks better and more complete when it has 1000 verses 1250, or 1350, i like being able to go through somebody's game list and know which games they have completed fully and when they have a bunch of games over a 1000 i cant really do that. also there shouldn't be new achievements that you will get trying to get the original achievements. i want to be able to get 1000 in a game and nothing else, there is only 1 game i will ever buy dlc for and have bought dlc for is halo 3

Forum Posts: 25	Comment #95 by detective virus Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 07:51:02 PM	(0)
	hb

Forum Posts: 23	Comment #96 by Vulgar Rhombus Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 07:56:13 PM	(0)
	@#87 You got it right.

Forum Posts: 120	Comment #97 by Madtown B Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 08:09:01 PM	(0)
	@ 91 That is a definite possibility, but i dont think it would be that big of an update to display 3 numbers instead of 2. I partially just said what i said before off to show off my geeky knowledge, lol.

Forum Posts: 313	Comment #98 by Bohemian Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 08:37:33 PM	(0)
	I hate DLC's, finished the bloody game before you sell it to us instead of selling it in pieces

Forum Posts: 61	Comment #99 by pieroglyphic Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 08:57:25 PM	(0)
	unfortunately, first qtr 2009 was when i lost all interest in completing or even getting achievements. gaming and achieving used to be a way to relax and get away from problems.. now we have these companies reminding us that, especially during a recession, our dollars lose their value even in gaming... very sad

Forum Posts: 2084	Comment #100 by pined5551 Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 09:03:45 PM	(0)
	i dont mind a game having dlc, so long as its not an endless wave of it. Like "such and such" map packs 1,2,3,4,5,..... and so on. It gets to the point where the game costs less than the dlc streams. I think all games should be allowed one dlc realease of 250. Or it should be made official that all dlc must have 250GS worth of achievements, totally to 800 MS points, even if it comes in drips the points can't go over 800, and the achievements need to add up to 250.

Forum Posts: 37	Comment #101 by lilasianman Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 09:14:43 PM	(0)
	SOOOOOOOOOOOO many long comments...

Forum Posts: 249	Comment #102 by xxNIGHTWINGxxx Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 09:23:53 PM	(0)
	@92 GunnerBinx25 You said that going around collecting things is stupid for a small amount of gamerscore, but yet you are rolling with a 1000/1000 in Lego Indiana Jones. Correct me if I am wrong, but there is quite a bit of collecting in that game for achievements. Nice try, maybe next time. Achievement Unlocked Retard of the forum 5G

Forum Posts: 46	Comment #103 by Treflipin Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 09:44:17 PM	(0)
	Usually i just read all the posts on these things and laugh or say yea thats a good point but i think ill throw in my 2cents for once. I love video games i always have its my escape from reality and favorite recreation. Achievements have made games a lot more fun mainly because it gives you more to do in a game that i would otherwise just beat and add to my collection. Like someone said above games are not hard anymore and if they are its just because of an enemy having perfect aim and endless respawns (aka call of duty on veteran). So that being said as far as achievements are concerned it does not matter what they are if i want to play the game that ive been waiting for, but at the same time an "easy" achievement list could coax me into playing not necessarily a bad game but not a gre

Forum Posts: 339	Comment #104 by rsxdelerium Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:27:30 PM	(0)
	Nickel and dime us to death for sure ..

Forum Posts: 36	Comment #105 by Card Dreamer Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:38:01 PM	(0)
	I really don't get people's complaints. Back in the "glory days" (NES, SNES, SEGA, etc), when we loved a game, we wanted more more and more for the game. Higher level caps in RPGs, added bosses, etc. At least I did, because it would have allowed me to use a character I worked hard on as apposed to a whole other game. Plus, add ons were to enhance existing situations, not a full on squeal to a game. Now, people complain that games they loved get more attention/focus. You can't please anyone now-a-days. And the whole rules for Achievement #/Score Caps is just ridiculous. If a company wants to release content/achievements enough to make a game 5000, heck, I'm fine with it. No one but yourself is making you buy these add ons. And heck, some people are complaining about FREE ones! Seriously,

Forum Posts: 46	Comment #106 by Treflipin Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:39:44 PM	(0)
	cont. from post #103 great one either. As far as gamerscore for a single game is concerned i dont mind a game having 1250 1500 or 1750 for that matter as long as it is an even number that people understand is 100%. 930 1350 1100 numbers like that annoy me but still its nothing i complain about after all its just a game and its what i do for fun. And lastly with dlc and price and all that pajazz if i want it and its a good game i buy it, if not i dont however i do agree with most on the fact that 10 dollars for a few maps that im prolly not gonna play is kinda rediculous but thats just the way it is. And finally on a side note to all you people that do whine and complain about these stupid little things or your "completionist" attitude warrents you to make stupid comment

Forum Posts: 46	Comment #107 by Treflipin Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 10:41:02 PM	(0)
	just realize its a game your not gonna win a million dollars for being the top ranked dude in kentucky or idaho or wherever it is that you live, its just bragging rights so take it for what its worth and enjoy yourself in this wonderous age of gameplay and graphics. lol and even though i said lastly about 3 times now and have used 3 posts i thought of one more thing. The video game industry is a buisness and like any other buisness they are out there to make money for the most part. All buisnesses nickel and dime theyre customers its just the way it is in this day and age so like i said before if you are that hardcore kid who cant stand being "nickel and dimed" just dont spend your money maybe it will help you out more in the long run anyway

Forum Posts: 114	Comment #108 by JCFG Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:06:27 PM	(0)
	Im not very crazy about this, 1750 is too much work. And money, if this goes on I'm never gonna bother 100% ever again. because it's a never ending cicle of "yes, game is done.... fuck, new achievements, yes, 100% again... fuck another map stupid map pack. I really start to give up.

Forum Posts: 444	Comment #109 by Nightbeam Saturday, April 25, 2009 @ 11:12:20 PM	(0)
	Who really gives a damn what the cap is. I'd guess you'd have to be a devoted blogger for an xbox 360 help site. ;0

Forum Posts: 137	Comment #110 by Bloody Sky Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 01:36:26 AM	(0)
	I remember when games used to be played for fun and fun only. Man those where the days... Also I would kill for some Rock N' Roll Racing or Monster Party DLC, thanks.

Forum Posts: 172	Comment #111 by fastman309 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 01:37:45 AM	(0)
	what about games that fall under 1000 like LOTR: BFME 2 at a sr trange 705

Forum Posts: 173	Comment #112 by Blue Thunder28 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 01:55:09 AM	(0)
	I'm really glad the cap is increased, more playability for my favourite games. Plus more chieve chieve and gamerpoints so yay. This is all good, it'll hopefully get devs to continually add onto their games for a great amount of time after their release, I love it.

Forum Posts: 13	Comment #113 by Master Neilson Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 02:33:58 AM	(0)
	@111 That game probably was out before microsoft made the announcement of all games must have 1000 minimum when released. To be honest, it should'nt matter about cap limits, if the devs want to release more dlc then thats fine let them, their not 'Nickle and diming' until you buy it YOURSELF, you can only blame urself then. Obviously everyones entitled to their opinion so keep complaining if it make you feel better, @92 thats going a little overboard pal, if people like achievement hunting thats cool.

Forum Posts: 423	Comment #114 by BLQQDCQRE Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 02:37:05 AM	(0)
	I dont care how many DLC comes out I LOVE ACHIEVEMENTS!!

Forum Posts: 73	Comment #115 by aj no messin Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 02:49:24 AM	(0)
	1k should be max end of!!

Forum Posts: 1	Comment #116 by corky2008 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 03:29:06 AM	(0)
	@ 4 i agree with you its going way out of hand and it should just be included in the original game and not later for more money its not really fair and what happens if you loose your hardrive or something will you get your dlc back if you get a new hardrive?

Forum Posts: 101	Comment #117 by ShinAkuma Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 04:32:23 AM	(0)
	Well fallout dlc will have some sh***y achievements -.-' I friggin hate those Reach level 30 with bad karma So friggin' boring -.-' But i'll get it like the other dlc's

Forum Posts: 21	Comment #118 by NoaAltwynn Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 04:32:32 AM	(0)
	@116 You can always just, I don't know, recover your gamertag and then download the DLC again maybe? There is a record of what you've bought called Download History. Personally, I really don't mind that the caps went up and that there's a hard limit. However, I want to see some better rules on how DLC works and what they can and cannot charge for. Things like unlock keys really need to go away, Capcom and Bandai Namco being some of the worst offenders, along with expensive cosmetic/stat changes like the AC6 planes, those are the true nickle and dimeing. Things like Shivering Isles, both Fallout 3 packs and GTA4: Lost and the Damned I don't mind because of the fact we got some quality content out of those. That's DLC done right if you ask me.

Forum Posts: 201	Comment #119 by danny dee Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 05:01:49 AM	(0)
	well this is just plain old stupid. The gaming companies don't care about us gamers. No they care about a profit. I mean fair enough a few online games get the extra achievements but thats okay i am willing to pay if i actually play the game. Take Gears of War 2 for example that game sucks but its addictive and epic go out of their way to make more new shitty maps that no body is going to play I mean people had to pay 400msp for the flashback maps and alot of people payed 800msp for fuel depot i mean who actually likes grimd yard and the other two maps??? Then a game like mirrors edge gets an update 250 points for 800msp I mean wtf? I'l admit mirrors edge is fun for the first couple of missions then it gets old and too repetitive and all of the gamerscore whores (LOL) have to pay an extra

Forum Posts: 31	Comment #120 by Bammyj Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 05:16:28 AM	(0)
	I like DLC to a point, and love it when its free (a'la L4D Survival mode) but i do kinda feel ripped off when i buy a fallout/oblivion pack and am finished with it in an hour or 2. But hey i bought horse armour so fallout is a vast improvement on the DLC front :P

Forum Posts: 32	Comment #121 by Zmoke Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 05:44:13 AM	(0)
	After all, they are just gamerscore and achievements. Nothing concrete. Still, I would like to see some clear rules after all those expections. Achievements are so fun to collect.

Forum Posts: 120	Comment #122 by Emperor Guan DI Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 06:18:50 AM	(0)
	While some idea on rules that MS has set in place is a nice thing, it seems almost pointless. No offense Pants, but I mean honestly when games like Hellboy are permitted to be released lacking 1000 points on the disk, what the limit and cap will be on gamer points on a game concern me little. Games that are "blockbuster" titles are going to get DLC with more points, just a fact I've accepted. Allowing smaller games to get away with no having the full 1000 points or claiming it will be released in a later update is something MS should be more concerned about than the maximum amount of achievements or points per game.

Forum Posts: 53	Comment #123 by Vampirate King Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 06:30:12 AM	(0)
	What they really need to work on is putting the rock band achievements that are available on those little disks. And putting the achievements out to be able to download somehow because I already have all the songs on every disk bought through just loving the game so much and I stopped buying the DLC now for that game because I didn't want to miss out on the next disk. And I don't want to pay another $40 for songs I already have. But I don't wanna miss out on the 250gs which is an easy get when I already bought the content.

Forum Posts: 37	Comment #124 by stevec1636 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 07:07:28 AM	(0)
	um. this is kinda funny, i can't belive that people are bitching and moaning about this. play the game to enjoy the game and then worry about your gamer score. if you liked the game and there is DLC then get it. If there are achievments or not who cares. we play games to have fun the points are kinda just a bonus.

Forum Posts: 115	Comment #125 by Blaze1983 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 07:12:44 AM	(0)
	its strange that this is such a big deal, why does anyone care if a game goes over the 1k 1250, 1500 1750 what ever the marker is. I LOVE achievements but i honestly dont care if a game comes up 1k or 15k, i think a every game should ship at 1k, After that its up to them how much they add, & How much it costs............. Of corse id prefer if it was free but oh well if its good enough ill pay lol

Forum Posts: 4	Comment #126 by ScatterdSHOWERS Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 07:26:22 AM	(0)
	DLC is only good. You end up getting more outta the game content wise and the achievements are only a plus to the expansion. I just have to say STOP COMPLAINING

Forum Posts: 79	Comment #127 by XxM4RKSM4NxX Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 07:47:26 AM	(0)
	I have no problem with the breaking the achievement rules. The thing that bothers me is how they charge 800 MS points per pack, when a game has like 3 different DLC packs. They should just make a package where the gamer gets a deal out of it.

Forum Posts: 1566	Comment #128 by Midnight Malice Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 08:31:07 AM	(0)
	Tried & true statement, is anyone actually forcing you to buy the DLC? Friends don't count BTW. If you don't agree with what they are doing, stop buying. Get the retail points offered and move on. It isn't that complicated really. The problem I have is when they release minimal DLC packs for 400msp a day or 2 after the game hits shelves. Again, I am not being forced, but if it is ready that close to release day, it should be on the disc when shipped. As for the limits... no problem here, if it is worth it, I'll buy it. If I have 1000 instead of 1250 or 1350 or 1750 thats on me, but I still see the game as finished as long as I get the retail 100%.

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #129 by gully wit it Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 08:43:17 AM	(0)
	I think the best 800 points I ever spent was on the cod4 maps with no achievements. They are so fun and worth it. Screw achievements its all about a fun game! But 1750 looks beter than 2000 tbh think about it

Forum Posts: 47	Comment #130 by Shadowmancer88 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 09:06:53 AM	(0)
	Why are people complaining about gamerscore points they do nothing, they cant be used in the marketplace and have no purpose. As a new 360 owner I believe that the achievement system should be like valves having just the achievements rather than points. At the end of the day all we are is arguing about points which have no effect on the gameplay or our lives, on another note dlc from the marketplace is ridiculous in price and should really be free most of the content in them is poor anyways.

Forum Posts: 113	Comment #131 by Sir_Lumbo Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 09:41:25 AM	(0)
	I don't care what the rules are, so long as they are universalisable. Games should ALL be given th same max number of points. I hate looking through my gamercard then seeing, what is now, becoming a random flurry of numbers. 1250 1000 200 1425?? Long gone are the days of looking through and seeing that 1000, and recongnising it as the benchmark of completion.

Forum Posts: 325	Comment #132 by Cordes Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 09:44:22 AM	(0)
	They should never have changed the system. 1000 GS for every game was perfect.I mean, I'm not a completionist but some games I really wanted to complete but now won't (i.e. RE5 where I have 1000 GS but I will never go for the extra 200 because it's just not a game I want to play online). This whole new system is stupid. Change it back...

Forum Posts: 10	Comment #133 by Jtpearl Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 10:45:25 AM	(0)
	I understand this is a site about gamerscore but for just a moment I would like all of you to step back and look at this. You are upset over the "rules" of something that doesn't even matter. "Oh no, they released a 10 point achivement for a game I traded in 8 months ago!!! I have to go buy it again!!!!". Seriously poeple, did all of you forget the main reason to play a video game is to actually play it and enjoy it? Yes it is fine to to want to get as much of the points as you can but to read some of your arguments and complaints really comes across that a lot of you honestly think that it matters what your score is. Guess what, it doesn't.

Forum Posts: 1566	Comment #134 by Midnight Malice Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 10:49:45 AM	(0)
	@130 ummm are you lost? This whole site is deticated to achievements, discussing them, making guides with the quickest way to unlock them, finding players to boost with.... it is basically a communtiy of achievement whores. Not saying you aren't welcome here, everyone is, but I just want to make sure you actually realize what this site is about before you bash every single member here.

Forum Posts: 69	Comment #135 by stawman uk Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 11:05:02 AM	(0)
	there should be a limit to dlc and achievement limit,like four dlc with 250 limit on each pack,so 1000gs retail then 4 dlc's @ 250 each = 2000gs.unless its dlc and no acheivements like cod,forza 2 then they can make as much dlc as desired.and yes some of the content is a ripoff.ie res5.but it is hard times for everyone,i have bought 3 arcade games all car and track packs for forza 2 and all the packs for gow2 and thats it.if you think its a ripoff dont buy it,but when developers make content and add points then they know it will sell,just because of achievements.if there wasnt any achievements i doubt some of the dlc would be made,its all about your money,upto you what you do with it

Forum Posts: 100	Comment #136 by ii iLLMaTiC Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 11:08:46 AM	(0)
	honestly im sick of dlc.. it ruins my completion percentage.. although games like skate 2 i loved it and got my 1250. halo needs to chill out because i got my 1000 and moved onto cod4 and they add another 750 points... just makes me mad..its starting to seem like the new cap is 1350.. well if you think about it the only games that have been goin over the cap are microsoft exclusives OR microsoft exlusive dlc..

Forum Posts: 4073	Comment #137 by CovertDog Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 12:03:09 PM	(0)
	@133 You mean it doesn't matter to you, which is fine. Just as it's fine for us that do care about achievements to actually have an opinion on the rules that govern them.

Forum Posts: 32	Comment #138 by Vince and April Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 12:07:35 PM	(0)
	I'm sure the system will change, and change, and change again.

Forum Posts: 130	Comment #139 by DeathConvoy Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 12:17:43 PM	(0)
	It'd be nice to have a clear answer on free content and whether they can have acheivements. Crackdown gave achievements with the Free For All bonus (up to 1080 points), and the new maps for Gears of War (1) are now free, allowing all 1250 points to be attained for free. No doubt Gears 2 maps will be available for free eventually too. I understand Left 4 Dead's lack of achievements on the 360 - the content was 'rushed' to come out, and as Valve own the Steam system, they don't have to go through as much hassle to add new ones. Look at Team Fortress 2 - 170 achievements on Steam, still only the original amount on the 360, though I do recall Valve wanting to have a full "1000" points for each game in Orange Box. I'm just sick of these "limits". First it was 1000, and not all games stuck

Forum Posts: 13	Comment #140 by bloodjinn420 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 12:51:12 PM	(0)
	everyone loves achievements duh! but, not everyone gets the games for the achievements. i play the games that i think awsome. not the ones people tell me are an easy 1000GS. i'd like to know why some of you gamerscore addicts played games befor the 360. it couldn't have been because you just enjoyed the game? or could it? :p

Forum Posts: 119	Comment #141 by Desmondo2000 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 01:05:20 PM	(0)
	So does that mean PS3 owners could get trophies for the same free DLC we get nothing for? That would be gay I dont want them having anything lol

Forum Posts: 47	Comment #142 by Shadowmancer88 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 01:50:24 PM	(0)
	@134 You are mistaken I didn't say I hated achievements I just hate the ridiculous gamerscore system that has no purpose but to cause arguments like this one, with a sytem like valves on steam you can drop in achievements all the time without fuss but on xbox live there is some system about points which limits the overall amount of achievements meaning that the tf2 dlc coming soon may have little or no achievements.

Forum Posts: 1	Comment #143 by Sh0cktrooper Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 02:56:14 PM	(0)
	Fallout 3 and Fable 2 are good examples. I (used to) care about my completion, but I just can't be arsed to spend 2400 MSP or maybe even more in time on DLC for some additional achievements. So I won't. If I look on TrueAchievements how many people have bought DLC for Fallout 3 (5,160 vs 18,837 (27%) for Anchorage, 3,006 (16%) for The Pitt) then the whole DLC market isn't really as strong as it looks, to me at least.

Forum Posts: 1245	Comment #144 by TheColdWolf Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 03:56:58 PM	(0)
	Besides why can't the DLC just be free or at least ones that have achievements because the companies and MS makes money off the game itself for selling them at 60$ in the first place. SO why not make dlc free they also make money off the game's gamerpics and pre-thems also they should make there games as good as halo 3 so they can have launch events and make them sell better so the DLC with achievements can be free.

Forum Posts: 18	Comment #145 by Jashole86 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 04:09:44 PM	(0)
	How can something that adds more replay value and achievements 2 games be bad? If u dont like the dlc then dont buy it

Forum Posts: 311	Comment #146 by epik499 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 04:41:59 PM	(0)
	Half-assed dlc sucks, and there's way too much of it for the price they want. In addition to an achievement limitation, they should drop the cost of dlc so they sell more of it. It's been to the point where these new games are releasing dlc so soon after a release... put it on the damn disc, or dlc it for free. 1000, 1250, 1500, 2000, 1 mil points a game? Who cares, our OCD will persuade us to go after it no matter the amount, but make it worth our while and stop nickel and diming us.

Forum Posts: 100	Comment #147 by reddevil63 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 05:36:07 PM	(0)
	1000 points should be the limit, dlc should have no achievements. MS are breaking their own rules and gamers are having to pay out good money for dcl so that they can get the full points after completing. In a way its clever as MS know gamers will buy dlc with achievements.

Forum Posts: 4	Comment #148 by Jon the Hoff Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 06:45:24 PM	(0)
	If you want the DLC bad enough you'll buy the DLC whether it has cheevos or not, so why not throw some on there so we have something to show for our money and dedication? MS didn't break any rules, it's not MS that develops the games, they are the ones that publish them (in most cases). Also, Microsoft makes enough money that if they wanted to make mandatory achievements in each game, they could. Do you really think they care about what we like or don't like? Or what we're tired of? If that was the case, all of the hand me down half rate GTA rip offs would be gone. I liked Two Worlds, but no one else did. So why would they make a sequel? Because all they care about is their money.

Forum Posts: 47	Comment #149 by vault69 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 10:43:35 PM	(0)
	@ everyone else who cares about achievements to much "HOW THE F*** DID HE KILL ME?" my most common and over used phrase in the past week or so I LOVE call of duty 4 I had it on ps3 and now on xbox and the achievement whore inside of me(just like you all[yes all] do) is telling me to get 1000 on it and 1500 or whatever the max you can get on halo 3 is now but I am indeed resisting that urge by playing private halo and public cod4 I got my MVP achievement for halo about a week ago and I was suprised that I did good enough to actually get it(yes I suck at halo so stfu) I also have 920 in cod4 but that was because I wanted to compare the veteran difficulty from cod5(magic spawning grenades btw) and I still could not beat No Fighting in the War Room on veteran because of several things

Forum Posts: 600	Comment #150 by xCHICKEN DIXx Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 10:45:53 PM	(0)
	they should provide info describing if it has achievements or not in the description of the dlc.

Forum Posts: 47	Comment #151 by vault69 Sunday, April 26, 2009 @ 11:52:14 PM	(0)
	cont from 149 which I will leave up to you to find out I play cod4 to get red tiger everything(mp5 m1014 and dragunov right now) and when I see on the screen "mp5 expert III +1010 xp" I feel great inside I may be the only one who will ever see that on my profile but when I come up behind you and kill you with it you will know, which is satisfaction enough another example Indigo Prophecy(which I bought off of the marketplace) has a reward system that summarizes all pre-achievement days you find points cards scattered throughout the entire game and you unlock videos of how they made the game and other stuff I like no wait I LOVE this reward system instead of achievements because nobody cares whether or not you got them so in summation go out and get your 10th 55 all red tiger and fin

Forum Posts: 47	Comment #152 by vault69 Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 12:03:54 AM	(0)
	once again here I go I never go on rants like this it's wierd cont from 151 I will be in team deathmatch in cod4 and it is guaranteed that at least 1 achievement whore who cares to much will blast me for this and 1 person will challenge me 1v1 in cod4 so good luck and f* you to you d* achievement whores you

Forum Posts: 2143	Comment #153 by Evil Demon55 Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 01:19:20 AM	(0)
	Microsoft just wants more money, changing rules figuring Halo 3 will sell out, gaining more money... jerks!

Forum Posts: 2309	Comment #154 by Andreas_loel Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 01:30:09 AM	(0)
	I only buy dlc if i like the game this far my dlc purchases goes as far as All halo map packs 20+ Rockband songs Cod 4 Map pack And i think thats about it. I dont feel any fucking urge to buy something that grants me 250 gs for 5 bucks, when i can get 750 more for 10 bucks. @153 Microsoft is a company no shit they want money? if you could get money this easy wouldnt you take the chance? i know i would. Taking advantage of people is the easiest way to make money (unless you are american because then suing someone is easier) So in conclusion instead of whining If you love the game: Pay 5 bucks for the dlc If you got the 1k and only played it for gs: DONT simple

Forum Posts: 13	Comment #155 by Master Neilson Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 06:37:58 AM	(0)
	I can't believe the complaints in here, get a grip, who cares whether or not the devs decide to release dlc on games you played half a year ago, it's ridiculous, seriously i think some of you have forgotten what gamings all about, having FUN and KICKING ASS.

Forum Posts: 162	Comment #156 by carter1412 Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 06:49:26 AM	(0)
	thanks for the info :)

Forum Posts: 788	Comment #157 by Raider Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 06:56:31 AM	(0)
	If I love the game, like oblivion, I will get the DLC even if there are no new achievements. I'm a person who enjoys playing game first. A recovering achievement addict second.

Forum Posts: 210	Comment #158 by miiiguel Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 06:59:32 AM	(0)
	I don't do judging, so if ppl want to moan and whine, while annoying, just do it. I'm a completionist and a collector as well. So I kinda like this new "trend", it gives me yet another reason for my awesome collection to increase.

Forum Posts: 210	Comment #159 by miiiguel Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 07:04:40 AM	(0)
	Oh..., thanks for the editorial! Rules must exist, at the expense of turning Achievements a joke if they disregard some sort of guidelines. The explanation on the editorial makes sense, I'm happier.

Forum Posts: 37	Comment #160 by Spartan BJW Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 07:55:12 AM	(0)
	Hmmm, nice to know.

Forum Posts: 140	Comment #161 by urAssass1n Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 10:02:08 AM	(0)
	I know this is going to sound gay, but why not make the max 1773??? at the same time of being retarded, it would also make all the 13year olds out there feel like they are truely elite in the game. There has to be a solid max, that does not change, so gamers can truely compare their achievements in gameing as a whole to other gamers. Without this eventually the whole achievement and GS system will just be boring. I myself am not a completionist, but I like 50% I only go out of my way to max a game, if I really like it. I don't care if DLC is free or not, and if it comes with achievements or not, but I do agree with the no achievements for free DLC. They do need to add achievements to the xbox originals, but only if you purchase the DL ones. That way there is some incentive to pay th

Forum Posts: 140	Comment #162 by urAssass1n Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 10:22:18 AM	(0)
	1200 MS Points rather then the 3 bucks at walmart

Forum Posts: 99	Comment #163 by ProxsimityVirus Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 10:38:32 AM	(0)
	@ everyone whining about dlc and cost. the xbox is the new computer, games can be expanded maybe even some day they will be modifiable. think of age of empires when that game was released I think I paid around 40-50 dollars. then it got an expansion pack witch cost 30 dollars. 8-10 dollars for new content on the xbox is a steal. now the type of content i don't like are car packs gun packs etc or what Bethesda did with oblivion, the pirate cave already exists in the game before you download it. the door leading to it says you need a key. now that one their really made me mad. and look at this from a developers stand point to, it costs money to develop these content packs witch they need to get back some how. i love achievements a lot but i think they where a bad thing to introduce t

Forum Posts: 99	Comment #164 by ProxsimityVirus Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 10:52:32 AM	(0)
	to gaming go back to your roots a remember why we became gamers in the first place. for the fun the thrill. stop all this achievement crap.

Forum Posts: 626	Comment #165 by mighty1 Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 11:15:56 AM	(0)
	this was a great article and for certain an eye opener. there are a few things all gamers should be thinking about after reading this article. for starters is this what video games are about know, achievements tied into dlc? i kind of reminds me of what adamn sessler of g4's x-play said a few months back on his blog which was game developers have been making a nasty habit of not giving us the full,complete game and are milking us to the extreme with new dlc. you know if its meant to be in the game then put it on the game or sell it on a disc rather than just limited to the marketplace. the other thing i can't help but keep thinking about is know that ms knows the case of the rod are the doing all they can to really fix the problem because for those willing to buy all this dlc, it doesnt

Forum Posts: 34	Comment #166 by Superschrubber Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 11:30:47 AM	(0)
	If they have rules for dlc achievements they should also make rules for the price. Onegame i will never finish is Samurai Warriors 2. Bought it for ~10$ and the DLC costs 2400 points, and i don´t think they will ever make it cheaper.

Forum Posts: 210	Comment #167 by miiiguel Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 12:36:00 PM	(0)
	"to gaming go back to your roots a remember why we became gamers in the first place. for the fun the thrill. stop all this achievement crap." Are you trying to make a statment a-la "punks' not dead" ? As I fail to understand such comment on an Achievements related site.

Forum Posts: 210	Comment #168 by miiiguel Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 12:37:40 PM	(0)
	And why don't tou understand the 1750? It's 250*3!! FFS! 250 per DLC max.. Get it ?

Forum Posts: 62	Comment #169 by Zalaras Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 12:42:08 PM	(0)
	Don't get me wrong, I think achievements are ok and I get enjoyment from games that do them well. But I think I'd much rather a comprehensive comparison system for each game that's not based on achievements. For example, showing the difficulties you've done the main story on, kill/death ratios for online play etc. all on your gamercard. Now if every game could do their achievements like Left 4 Dead then I'd have no problem, but certain games just ruin this (cough Avatar cough). I can understand that people who've built up a massive gamerscore probably wouldn't like this idea, but what do people think?

Forum Posts: 106	Comment #170 by nukefarmer Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 01:41:50 PM	(0)
	Pretty soon ea is going to release a game and then with the dlc its going to be 100,000 buy itself

Forum Posts: 449	Comment #171 by sweenish182 Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 01:53:53 PM	(0)
	the idea that the achievements are a clean and noble system is a retarded. i really don't see the point in this, especially on this site. i mean, it's people on this site that are the reason pretty much all dlc has to have achievements. how many times do you see people saying that if dlc doesn't have achievements, they won't buy it? you've done it to yourselves, yet it's odd that you complain about getting exactly what you want.

Forum Posts: 210	Comment #172 by miiiguel Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 02:08:15 PM	(0)
	Not everyone is complaining.

Forum Posts: 210	Comment #173 by miiiguel Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 02:08:55 PM	(0)
	@ 169: thing is, Achievements brought an unified system for all games. You don't have k/d ratio for Virtua Tennis, have you? I mean, the system is a sucess, you can tell by seeing it's spreading to other platforms. You can tell by the sucess of this site. You can tell by the fact it brought the already tight Live community even closer. And so on. Fair enough for ppl who don't like it, and prefer the "good old days", but you don't have to buy the DLC, you don't have to "care" for Achievements.

Forum Posts: 210	Comment #174 by miiiguel Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 02:15:06 PM	(0)
	@ 170: that's what these rules are for, don't you think? I find them quite fair. It has to improve, technology is always evolving, and if DLC is getting more and more complex and important, it only seems logical. But, I do hope they stick to the rules.

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #175 by fsu_floridastate_vt Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 02:53:01 PM	(0)
	i actually like dlc...expecially map packs, people get tired of playing the same halo 3 maps over and over and the mythic map pack has snapped us out of our trance and is awaking us for the upcoming game halo 3 odst...if it werent for map packs or any dlc for that matter game would get lost after you get the 1000G, i got 1000 on madden 09 and now i very seldom play that game...dlc with achievments is great

Forum Posts: 358	Comment #176 by kizwiz Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 02:53:18 PM	(0)
	Should of stayed at 1000, it was fine back then. Now its just gone sloppy and horrible. I hope for the next xbox they keep the achievement system, but start again with the new xbox games. And make achievements worthwile. Anyway why dont people just keep the games? I still have crap loads of games I never play like King Kong, I keep them incase I want to swap with a friend or something. Its nice to see new achievements but goddammit theyre so annoying and addictive!

Forum Posts: 1245	Comment #177 by TheColdWolf Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 03:48:22 PM	(0)
	yea, same thing with the trophies for the ps3 sony has no limit what so ever and so there for people like EA added allot of trophies from 50(Including Platinum) to 80 do to the DLC that has come out since the games launch.

Forum Posts: 62	Comment #178 by Zalaras Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 04:17:58 PM	(0)
	@ 173: Hmm, I didn't mean a unified means of comparison for every game. I would just like to be able to see a bit more about games, outside of the game itself. Like someone could look at my gamercard and be able to see more stats about a particular game. The stats page would have stats chosen by the developer. This would probably be a massive strain on LIVE resources though. On the other hand, I could credit the achievement system for it's simplicity and usually when I'm comparing achievements, I'd only compare the more difficult ones anyway. A page of stats could be a bit overbearing.

Forum Posts: 14	Comment #179 by MadMonkeysUncle Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 05:11:03 PM	(0)
	@ Everyone above and below me, on this page of course. It aplies to alot of places in life. Its called the big complex. My truck is bigger than your truck, my missle is bigger than yours. Its a number war between the big cheese and the developers. My number is bigger, Im not listening to you, I win. Whats one good thing I can do with this G score?

Forum Posts: 199	Comment #180 by Night45Fox Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 07:00:43 PM	(0)
	If the content is good on its own, then achievements are an added bonus, but, you cant save shitty dlc with achievements. and why do people care if they break the 250 barrier ?

Forum Posts: 68	Comment #181 by thedave Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 07:17:45 PM	(0)
	Why was Hasbro Family Game Night allowed 1400 for ONE title then? They really screwed up there, and should have made that one SEVEN SEPERATE Games, at 200 Points each.

Forum Posts: 56	Comment #182 by CHiLLiONS Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 09:18:54 PM	(0)
	who cares anyway, theres always somthin to bitch about. there are too many real world problems deserving us to stress over.

Forum Posts: 56	Comment #183 by CHiLLiONS Monday, April 27, 2009 @ 09:51:24 PM	(0)
	oh and btw, of course i personally love achievements, but they have completely ruined online gaming for xbox, and you all know why. achievement whoring should not be tolerated outside of certain gamerzones, or possibly NO MORE ONLINE RANKED ACHIEVEMENTS, only social match achivements. playing halo 2 online is more fun compared to halo three because of the lack of achievements.

Forum Posts: 12	Comment #184 by Diog3nes Tuesday, April 28, 2009 @ 01:42:21 PM	(0)
	DLC is great when it expands upon a good game. That said there are a lot of games using DLC and achievements to keep a gamers attention which is quite annoying.

Forum Posts: 2	Comment #185 by willoverthemoon Tuesday, April 28, 2009 @ 03:02:54 PM	(0)
	I agree with #183 - The whole achievement thing has ruined it. I admit, I do go for some achievements, but that's because its nice to have something to work towards. For example, Gears 1 weapon ranked achievements. Loads of people winged about those - but when I went for them, I had some of the best gaming experiences I've hever had! Not to mention I met some ace people too. So, sure I like achievs, but never in the history of humanity would I solely game for them.

Forum Posts: 10	Comment #186 by IIX Lynx XII Tuesday, April 28, 2009 @ 08:32:28 PM	(0)
	blah blah blah its a good thing for everyone who loves achievements! And seriously about 100%... so what! Usually games with new dlc have multiplayer achievements (GoW2) other players dont care on which achievements you have, usually people play for fun! Besides you dont get a cookie for 100% in retail... P.S. will they raise arcade number? if so... CASTLE CRASHERS FTW!!!!! (still waiting on extra 15G in small arms.)

Forum Posts: 40	Comment #187 by jumpin jonny Wednesday, April 29, 2009 @ 04:31:10 AM	(0)
	i dont get why people are complaining cause 1250 was an odd number too but it didnt really matter cause most people dont have 1000 on every game so thier score reads funny either like 1000 1000 860 1100 540 so whats the difference

Forum Posts: 198	Comment #188 by Insane Sugar Rush Wednesday, April 29, 2009 @ 04:23:10 PM	(0)
	DLC should be more like "try-before-you-buy". Like with Crackdown

Forum Posts: 9	Comment #189 by rightontargt4 Thursday, April 30, 2009 @ 06:18:50 PM	(0)
	I don't care about an achievement cap or point cap, or anything being discussed in this forum. DLC is worth it sometimes, and sometimes it's not! If it isn't don't buy it, and the price will drop or go on sale. It's happened. The only thing I'm upset about is the fact that some achievements give you a number other than those ending in 5 or 0. See: Mortal Kombat, Luxor, and some other games I can't think of. It's just annoying.

Forum Posts: 38	Comment #190 by Flyin' Chipmunks Thursday, April 30, 2009 @ 06:35:26 PM	(0)
	Quit Moaning You Fags. If You Cant Afford To Spare 5 Bucks To Buy DLC Then Either, Don't Buy It. Or Get A Fucking Job. Microsoft Don't Force You To Buy This Shit. : L

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #191 by Jayrod1789 Friday, May 01, 2009 @ 12:18:51 PM	(0)
	I'm not going to lie I think I'm an achievement whore but only on games that are good enough to get the 1000, The dlc either needs to be limited to small amounts for one game or have tons but if your going to have tons like fallout all for 800, the price no matter how good the dlc needs to be dropped to like 400, cause 10 to 20 dollars an addon is just bullshit. Although they could start charging us 10 to 20 dollars less for the games. If this keeps up i'll play on my ps3 where I dont care about the trophies so ill never get the dlc.

Forum Posts: 42	Comment #192 by Bajcz Friday, May 01, 2009 @ 06:46:43 PM	(0)
	i agree with #190

Forum Posts: 178	Comment #193 by PuttyGod Friday, May 01, 2009 @ 06:47:12 PM	(0)
	Okay.

Forum Posts: 58	Comment #194 by Chizwick Friday, May 01, 2009 @ 07:18:59 PM	(0)
	I love how 190 has to capitalize each word to make his own whining seem more prominent.

Forum Posts: 90	Comment #195 by bluphraust Friday, May 01, 2009 @ 09:08:33 PM	(0)
	DLC used to be a great thing when it first was introduced, what a great concept and way to get replay out of a game. Now capitalism wins again.

Forum Posts: 560	Comment #196 by MakoBallistic Friday, May 01, 2009 @ 09:40:20 PM	(0)
	if we all stop buying it they wont waste money making it, not like thats going to happen though.

Forum Posts: 746	Comment #197 by LiamW92 Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 02:26:05 AM	(0)
	I think microsoft should concentrate on games which cannot even get upto 1000G first, than going with the DLC games. Examples: NFS Carbon - 990(MAX) (975 In Most Cases) NHL 2K8 - 960(MAX) NBA Live 06 - (960 MAX) Rainbow 6 Vegas - (950 In Some Cases) - The DLC caused the achievement glitch Hellboy - 840(MAX) Why dont microsoft actually fix the achievements of the broken games BEFORE they go all crazy on the DLC rules. (Ok, the DLC rules are needed, but i think every game should actually have 1000g first.) I would love to see microsoft do something about this.

Forum Posts: 11	Comment #198 by jdfsoccer101 Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 09:04:39 AM	(0)
	games should require absolutely no limit on the amount of achievements and the amount of gamer points they have. If people are willing to buy DLC then who cares how many achievements they give you? And what is the difference if you have 50 achievements adding up to 1000G or you have 100 achievements adding up to 1000G. Who cares if you have 200 achievements adding up to 2500G. what is going to happen if games have more achievements and more gamer points to offer!?!

Forum Posts: 152	Comment #199 by Hysteria89 Saturday, May 02, 2009 @ 11:52:53 AM	(0)
	I agree that there should be no limit to the amount of achievements that a game has. However, I do feel that games need a cut off point in terms of gamerscore. If games didn't have a limit in the amount of gamerscore, then surely companies could exploit this to raise their sales(by increasing the amount of gamerscore).

Forum Posts: 4293	Comment #200 by Purge Sunday, May 03, 2009 @ 04:51:13 AM	(0)
	This is madness!

Forum Posts: 162	Comment #201 by marKot1k Monday, May 04, 2009 @ 09:28:05 AM	(0)
	May as well add my 2 cents worth to this... Personally, at the moment, I dont mind the increases in Achievement limits - the price does however annoy me a little - but saying that, up until recently I wasn't too bothered with my Gamerscore - then I found this site... LOL

Forum Posts: 10	Comment #202 by xARDxBuds R Us Monday, May 04, 2009 @ 09:47:46 AM	(0)
	@161. Hell Yeah!! xbox originals should be updated with achievements. after playing stubbbs the zombie 5 times, achievements being added would make me play it again, multiple times if i had to. waiting for 6 months to a year and paying anywhere between $20 to $70 for a game is a bargain, another $10 to $20 for DLC, you still have a bargain. wait for a while, your wallet will love u for it. you dont have to buy the games while they are $100+ if u think about it your mates will pay $100 maybe get the 1000, u wait a year pay half price and cuz other people would have clocked it, it will be much easier to get the 1000. glitches hopefully patched by the time u play so your getting off with a better deal....... in my opinion

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #203 by BodamEscapePlan Tuesday, May 05, 2009 @ 12:37:36 AM	(0)
	I bet if they put out DLC that would give you 100,000 GS for like $300 a lot of you would still buy it. Have we lost grip on what playing video games is all about?

Forum Posts: 2	Comment #204 by mcghue Tuesday, May 05, 2009 @ 06:57:36 AM	(0)
	If you look back on the way PC games were updated they used to release expansion packs usually around 20 bucks so paying a small fee or even free download content has to be good. Dont get me wrong I agree that MS want as much money as possible but if you dont want to pay for for upgrades, new content etc then dont waste other peoples time going on about it. I personally have not downloaded any content that I have to pay for simply because I have not got 1000g in the games I have as I have only had my 360 since christmas but if I like a game enough I will buy upgrades regardless of the extra achevements if any

Forum Posts: 3	Comment #205 by LORDNOAR Tuesday, May 05, 2009 @ 02:05:53 PM	(0)
	i'm an achievement whore....i'll take it anyway microsoft wants to dish it out.....i'm a dirty, dirty achievement whore.

Forum Posts: 90	Comment #206 by launchpadmcqack Wednesday, May 06, 2009 @ 01:08:02 AM	(0)
	Im Cool with DLC but only on this condition. That if i choose to not buy the dlc it should still show ass 100% until i buy the dlc this way if i choose not to buy it atleast i can still make my OCD happy by seeing that little green bar filled. But i do have a complaint. GODFATHER i put so much dam time in that game for a meesly 835. almost a year down the road the boosted up 2 1200. Again would have been fine if my game showed up 100% but it doesnt and im pissed.

Forum Posts: 3529	Comment #207 by MediumMelanin Wednesday, May 06, 2009 @ 03:23:41 PM	(0)
	yeah, but dont they dont overdo liek 2000 GS in 1 game.

Forum Posts: 31	Comment #208 by Dark_Brother Tuesday, May 12, 2009 @ 12:35:08 AM	(0)
	the whole orange box should be a non issue it contains 3 new never before published games and 2 remakes so i think it should be exempt from some of the rules.

Forum Posts: 1	Comment #209 by kresho Tuesday, May 12, 2009 @ 06:44:10 AM	(0)
	I like achievements but that will not make me buy DLC unles I like the game the DLC is for. So far I only bought all 3 fallout DLCs. Now thinking about gettin Lost and Damned.

Forum Posts: 7	Comment #210 by FeaR x FuZioN Wednesday, May 13, 2009 @ 02:32:40 AM	(0)
	dlc are gettihg a tad 2 expensive and should put down in price

Forum Posts: 31	Comment #211 by OMGitsPatwtf Wednesday, May 13, 2009 @ 01:26:12 PM	(0)
	DlC= MAP PACKS=good CAMPAIGN EXTENDED CHEVS=good ONLINE EXTENDED CHEVS=bad Call of duty 4 did it the best with a good campaign,great online,map packs,so on and so on.

Forum Posts: 24	Comment #212 by berkley Tuesday, May 26, 2009 @ 08:04:54 PM	(0)
	If it makes the game better (as in the TF2 updates) it must be free, but adding a whole new component to a game (as in map packs) I am willing to pay for that I personally like to get achievements but I wont sacrifice money and fun just for them.

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #213 by EduardKoeleJuck Friday, May 29, 2009 @ 03:22:47 PM	(0)
	It should depend on the DLC's size. MC:LA South Centralis only an addon with some cars, tracks & races, but it's not a whole new game. GTA IV's TLAD is. So TLAD should have 500G, instead of 250G.

Forum Posts: 1696	Comment #214 by Blue Radium Monday, June 01, 2009 @ 01:49:54 AM	(0)
	I generally only get DLC for games I enjoy, that also has achievements. Fallout 3 is amazing, so anything that helps me milk it more is a must buy. Burnout Paradise is the best racing game I have played, and with Criterion relentlessly offering more and more content, a lot of which has been free, I am happy to buy the little things they release. GTA 4 has a great single player and online experience, both of which are boosted by DLC, so I'll get any DLC released for that game. You can't see it as "must maintain my 100%" (although it is nice) as much as you should look at it as a way to milk a good game for all its worth.

Forum Posts: 513	Comment #215 by FiReStOrM^ Thursday, October 01, 2009 @ 09:24:25 PM	(0)
	Sorry but I hate DLC achievements and the new 1750 limit. I enjoy collecting achievements but above all else love to get 1000/1000. This is impossible with DLC achievements because it then raises the limit up to 1250, and now anywhere up to 1750. CoD5 as an example (same with Halo 3), releasing simple map packs with extra achievements. I think this is lame. I think DLC should be new game modes and maybe extra levels or something for games. I think a game should be 1000/200 for disc and arcade, with DLC not adding any achievements or gamerscore. It should be quality additions to games, instead of just map packs and such with achievements to get people to buy them. That is my oppinion, no doubt many people will disagree but that is how i feel.

Forum Posts: 3250	Comment #216 by KillerBEA Tuesday, October 27, 2009 @ 11:54:55 PM	(0)
	God being whiney you people oh 1750 looks weird well your just damn picky. just like having a not 0 or 5 at the end of your gamerscore looks weird. Shouldnt achievements be a fun way to show that i did something in game i like and then additional achievements from dlc should be added to your gamercard regardless because it is available to you at all times (if you have live) it just cost a little extra. Get over yourselfs and have fun that is what this HOBBY is for.

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #217 by ShotgunMadman Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 08:50:28 PM	(0)
	I don't even think anyone's mentioned Mass Effects Cerberus Network I paid 1200 MS points for that and now all the content they're releasing for that (1 Achievement at a time I might add) is more money on top of that That, is inexcusable

Forum Posts: 0	Comment #218 by ShotgunMadman Saturday, July 24, 2010 @ 08:55:36 PM	(0)
	That's when I see that this is a 9 month old thread -_- fml

Forum Posts: 61	Comment #219 by SweetnSaxyBoy Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 07:30:25 AM	(0)
	Ha 218 your all good ;) but yes with the hind sight of a few years they will obviously nickel and dime people because they can. we've created this completionist world on Live where they can almost count the number of people who will buy a certain about of DLC just for the extra GS or to stay at 100% its a deadly spiral that I don't see an end to because believe it or not they are out there to make $$ and its a no brainier for any company to keep adding and adding until no one buys what your selling anymore.

Forum Posts: 61	Comment #220 by SweetnSaxyBoy Thursday, December 22, 2011 @ 07:31:25 AM	(0)
	so if a post is on a 3 year old thread does it count as a post if no one is around to read or comment on it?

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