Elite Armor Drop Pattern

[FlipSwitch]

It's just that the set pieces that drop will always be for the character your playing, until you complete that set. Even after it is complete, you will still find that the vast majority of pieces will still be the set you have, mingled in with assorted others.
Also, once you have a set piece, I believe that piece is scratched from the loot lists until the set is complete, so you won't be picking up the same piece over and over. Other than that, there is no pattern, just percentages =D

Im just clarifying that nothing you do, aside from changing characters or adding Loot Drop %, will change what you get from each mob. im not trying to be harsh or snipe at you, its just that if one person misunderstood, so might others =)

If anyone needs some help kitting out your characters for farming, I can probably help you. I have both Rifle and Cannon range runes. Alternatively, fire grenades at it. The splash damage from grenades will hurt the spider even if your out of range for your primary fire.

Just please bear in mind that I also am a gamer, and do not bow to everyone's beck and call everyday. I get loads of requests for help and I do my best to accomodate you, but some people seem to think that because I offered osmething I should do it immediately. if im online and not doing anything important, sure Ill come help out. But if I'm playing a different game I dont plan on dropping whatever it is im doing just to help people get an item or two. If I did, Id have no gaming life whatsoever because Id constantly be leaving games and parties all over the show. That is not to say dont message me, please do, but start with a message over these forums first please guys, cheers.

[Diabolic Ares]

I'm using Cyber Commando, and I got two epic armor (boots and chest) from doing Spider Farming within one hour. Might be lucky, but I notice the pattern somehow, sometimes any Epic Runes, wont come out for while.. May be soon "hot items" coming, at least that's what it happened to me. Epic Runes dropped out very often, stopped all of sudden and won't coming longer, I reset the xbox360 and it came again. Probably "reset the dropping rate" What do ya guys think?

[FlipSwitch]

It's just placebo effects and luck. It makes no odds what you do, the drop rates dont change. I doubt resetting your console does anything to change the drop rates, as I said the game uses an RLG to decide what drops. The clue is in the R, for Random.

[qfingers]

It makes no odds what you do, the drop rates dont change.

I think the whole point of this thread is to hopefully disprove that, due to the otherwise dismal drop rate. Im not sure who or what convinced you so strongly that nothing else can change that rate.

A characters droprate could possibly be something like: base + lootdropchance + x
where x is number of section tokens, or number of reds in your inventory, or your play time/5, or salvage mode converted to a number, or pretty much anything.

now, the game designers probably didnt put anything in like that, but without seeing source code we cant really know. The game is a little glitchy; regarding the whole cyber well issue, i've fallen off the map a few times now, the spider farming(which is a good glitch), not to mention the manual being wrong about auto-salvaging, and bearly mentioning runes and charms, so I think its difinitely possible that something else worked its way into that equation, even without a programmer's intent. I think we all just want a little hope that we can get some good loot without playing for 500 hrs....

[FlipSwitch]

500 hours is a little exageration. I have aroung 350, but considering 100+ of those were on a seperate save (which I lost) can be discounted we'll call it 250. I have all the Cybernetic Aesir, most of Human Aesir, and 5 complete elite sets. Some of those were traded for, but if you ask me the drop rate on Too Human is the developers way of saying "keep playing our game and we'll reward you", just like those developers that put stupid multiplayer achievements in like "kill 5000 players" and other such crap.

If you would care to read it, this thread has, as yet, failed to prove anything of the sort. Considering how long its been going (since 28th August 2008) thats not really looking good. It is partly because of this that I would say it's doubtful theres anything really deep. Sure, the loot system probably does have some seriously complex fomulae, but hey its a professionally made game and many of said formulae have simple results. Unless you get the developers to say otherwise, I remain skeptical towards any patterns, aside from you only getting your classes set and other basic restrictions like that.

Also, the amount of time development teams spend debugging games is huge, they spend months and months working out all the kinks in the games coding. Although the odd glitch does get through like you say, something that spans the entire game like a loot system issue would surely be flagged up, but indeed possibly not, that I concede.

Overall though, if a pattern was going to emerge I daresay it would have done so before now. We've all looked through this thread, I know I have at least, and nothing appears to be consistent, aside from people getting thier own sets. Basicly, the loot systems code probably calls on a piece of code that says:

Begin loop, If the enemy is dead, check player class/alignment and loot drop %, search loot list, randomly choose loot, draw loot on screen, end loop.

Of course thats massively simplified and not in code format. But you get the idea. Long post, but you get the basic idea of it.

[Tomo The Owner]

I completed the Human Champion around the 80 hour mark.
Noted Strats.
- Doing HoH runs is by far the most efficient method, i picked up 4 out of 7 pieces from GRNDL in <12 run throughs.
- it appeared that equipping elite items increased the chances of GRNDL dropping more.
- I got the weapon from the shop, the helmet and legs from spider drops on the world serpent and i got the chest, boots, shoulders and gloves from GRNDL.

[FlipSwitch]

Spider Farming is tried and tested, just as much as HoH runs, and the vast majority of players find that to be far, far faster.

12 runs, sounds to me like you got stupidly lucky. Im glad you did, but not everyone will. I know I for one did HoH for my first set and it took me forever.

[Parallax Demon]

Have to agree with FlipSwitch, spiderfarming is by far the best method to get your elites. At the sime time you can collect Aesir armor and red runes.
It's tedious but it will get you some great items.

[PS Demorth]

i have programed a few games and i think what your saying about the loop program is about perfect. HOWEVER

the reason the majority of you are getting your items of grendl is simple, because he is a boss it would make since for him to drop either more or more rare items. they probably put in a block on him say if your level 50 and you kill him you have an orange block, meaning he can only drop items orange or higher but still selecting from the same list. so if there are 100 orange items you can get and 10 red (helm chest shoulders gloves greaves boots weapon ballistic charms and runes) the odds are kinda bad.

but for anyone who doesnt care about the what and just wants the how, doing HoH runs is probably your best bet because its the shortest and you wont up any chances just the number of times. i am a cyb. defender and i got my helm at lv 30 of hod but whatever. i also got my ballistic of a obelisk so its just random.

[FlipSwitch]

In theory, Grndl's higher drop rate of reds make him a more viable choice for farming elite items. However, in practice the time investment required to reach and kill GRNDL-1 is much higher than that of farming the spider.

Spider farming is quicker acquiring drops simply because of the amount of kills you can cram into a short space of time. It is much quicker to kill the spider than it is to reach Grndl with all the tokens you need for an epic to drop.

[Zee]

I'm going for my first elite with not too much luck. Especially considering I'm a cybernetic Champion, I can't find anyone with the set to trade. I have gotten some elite items like the helm, and the Shoulder pads, but everything else has been red runes. I'm sure it's not a pattern, but it seems like I would get 1, 2, or 3 rares within the first 10-20 spiders or so. Then no more in till I try it out later.

So far I never even got a rare from Grndl nether.

[Parallax Demon]

I've got all my elites from spiderfarming for about 6 hours. Loot drop change at the max and fast kills with my commando did the trick.
One more reason to play with a commando

[FlipSwitch]

I wager 75% of the people who frequent these boards play as a commando, mainly due to the few people who have maxed out commandos singing their praises all the time. Meh, not like I care, I play one myself. Anyway, praises.

The ridiculous kill speed of a decent commando can make spider farming a much more effective process. Everyone coming onto these boards and moaning about how they havnt completed their set in under 10 hours spider farming needs to bear this in mind:
1 hour of spider farming for us probably eqivalents to 2-3 hours worth of farming for you. Spending a little time improving your commando with some decent runes will make a huge difference.

[Spawn 0f Hell]

I heard that if you wait until level 50 and then use the world tree cyber well that the shoulder pads drop from an obelisk. Is that how you spell obelisk? It looks weird...

[FlipSwitch]

Obelisk.

It is possible, as all large obelisks have a chance of dropping elites, whether set pieces or miscellaneous. However, the chance is almost negligible and thus raiding the world tree isn't anywhere near worth the effort if you're looking for set pieces.

[Colllecionador]

I'm a Human Champion looking for any Elite Set piece (all but weapon) please, someone could borrow me, so i can equip and get the achiv? (i only want the achiv, only that) if not ... pay 1.000.000,00 bounty each (if u want anything else in enchange, let me know). I need help on this so, if u wanna help, pm me for trade or just help me.

thx

[FlipSwitch]

Wrong thread for this. Go try the armour trading sticky.

[Nonfatproduct]

Hey there Looking for Aesir, i must have the worst luck in m game. Please message me if i can use some to get this achievement or something.

Thx, NonfatProduct

[FlipSwitch]

Again, use the armour trading sticky.

[Omega Supreme]

All 6 armor items can drop in HoH?

What influence does co-op solo and salvage options have?

[FlipSwitch]

All 7 can drop from HoH, they are more likely to drop in co-op i would assume, although mission replay and online co-op probably make little difference.
Note, playing in an online co-op game iwthout a partner is also probably morel ucrative than playing with one, simply because you dont share the loot and i doubt having a second player makes much difference to drops.

Only difference auto salavge will have is it will ruin your day if it is set to everything.

[jontylikeskk]

OK I guess that I must be doing something wrong as I cannot get ANY elite armour to drop at all. I am level 50 defender. I have run through the entire game now about 10 times, start to finish, I have done HoH runs 1-3 to end about 20 times, both in replaying solo and also in single coop. I have run the conveyor route, single and soop about 100 times and have lost count of the hours spent spider farming. I have 9 elite weapons, 3 hammers (Shaper of the Fjords, Skuld's Cold Love and the defender specific Sentinel's Kingmaker which I have equipped), 2 Pistol sets (Both Dragon-Guns of Eld and yet one does say LVL 49 which I find curious!) and 4 Rifles (XABR-1337 Experimental Battle Rifle (Slug), which I equip for GRNDL-1 and also the boss on the serpent as it seems to do the most damage, 2 of The Incinerating Grief (Plasma) one of which has a red rune for 25% more ammo and my most used Vali's Burning-Spear, (Laser), which is equipped most of the time). My armour is a mix of Myomer and Enlightened, all level 50 with Loop Drop Chance Capped. I have one completed level 3 Charm (Epic Charm of the Flesh Leech) and 3 Red Runes (Worth, The Unstoppable Spear and Carnage). That's it, I just try a variety of things, running through levels single player, replaying HoH, running the conveyor, spider farming for an hour, running through Helheim start to finish like HoH, admitedly not always without dieing but in the main not and yet I have not seen a single piece of red, elite, armour, nothing, nada. I have played on this character alone for 144 hours, and with my other characters my play time is well over 200 hours, probably more like 250! What am I doing wrong? Is there something here that I am missing? Is there something that I have to do to get these damned pieces to drop?
Please help, this is absolutely infuriating.....

[jontylikeskk]

Ok, quick update. Since my last post I have been spider farming. I have at last gained one piece of elite armour! Sentinel's Sacred Mindguard, the Helmet, for my Berserker. I have just done approximately 75 spiders, and I think I have spotted something. It needs a little testing first, and as of right now I don't have time, but I will come back and test out this theory at some point soon.
At first I was just killing the spiders, respawning them and every now and then stepping into the room, releasing my laser spider, simply to get more kills, but I do think that this has an impact on the elite items dropped, if only because I think by doing this something in the game resets, or changes maybe. However this was just something I noted whilst trying out a few things.
My theory is this, quite simply when killing the spiders I was starting to take note of their names, and then their levels, and it was at this point I think I noticed a trend to the 'drops' or should I say lack of red drops, received.
Most of the spiders I came to were level 50, the odd one level 51, 52, 53 and even 54. The majority I killed using the ballistic on my XABR, about 12 'genades' seems to kill the majority. Some I had to kill, faster, with my Laser Elite weapon (because once the shield was knocked off the spider my XABR was only doing about 150ish damage and the laser grenade only 7, but the 'incendiary' after effect of the laser definitely put them down faster.
Anyhow, back to the theory, bearing in mind that up to the point where I got my helmet (I was on my 35th spider) I had only just started to note names and then after I got the helmet I noticed the levels and started to note them down.
I think, and as of yet I am totally not sure as it has only been proven on 1 occasion in the 50 odds spiders after my helmet, but I do think that the elite items, and in fact the red runes (of which I now have 8), they are dropped by spiders of level 55 or above. I havent yet got any spiders whose level was above 55, but the first one I got, at level 55, dropped me a red Impact rune.
SO that's it really, I am going to try to farm some more spiders, but taking note of their levels and if they drop anything red. I think that if you get a spider at or above a certain level, and at the moment I think that the break point is 55, I think you stand a good chance of dropping something elite.
I will be trying to spawn the spider, fire once at it to check level and if it is below 55 then just go back and respawn, this may or may not work, you may wish to kill them all making notes of their levels, but in over 50 spiders spawned I had only one red item dropped and that was from a level 55 spider.
If anyone else can help check this out it may help others to speed up this inane process of getting those elusive elite items.

[Domantos]

Originally Posted by jontylikeskk

Most of the spiders I came to were level 50, the odd one level 51, 52, 53 and even 54. ......on 1 occasion in the 50 odds spiders after my helmet, but I do think that the elite items, and in fact the red runes (of which I now have 8), they are dropped by spiders of level 55 or above. I havent yet got any spiders whose level was above 55, but the first one I got, at level 55, dropped me a red Impact rune.

I'm trying to figure out the level of the spiders, but they are just too far away for me to see.

Is there any other way to get info about the enemy than the little number to the left of the "life circle" ?

[jontylikeskk]

Originally Posted by Domantos

I'm trying to figure out the level of the spiders, but they are just too far away for me to see.

Is there any other way to get info about the enemy than the little number to the left of the "life circle" ?

To be honest I don't know, it is really hard to see the detail sometimes, I have a 32" LCD screen so I can just about make out their level (sometimes I have to make an assumption!) but as I play more and more the pattern of the level on the circle becomes easier to interpret, and the level 54 is very different looking from the 50, 51, 52, 53. But I dont know of any way to tell what level they are otherwise :-(

[Domantos]

Guess I'll have to invest in a bigger TV with better quality... Samsung 40" LED here I come :P

Seriously though, it's a bit silly that you can only see this info by being close to the enemy. If it is shown, then you should have been able to press a button for info. The technology is there

[DarkCrown]

Last night I spider farm for 6 hours , I get 3 rune and 1 sword and 1 gun

I note only 1 name of a spider who gave me a red rune
"Sadistic Edge Of Darkness"

I don't know if those name are really random , but during my next spider farm if the name is related to the rarity of the item drop we might have a clue

[FlipSwitch]

Honestly, I have never really paid attention to spider levels, as I play on a crappy little screen. The names are randomly generated, and I dont think that they have are related to the loot lists. However, level is a much more likely factor in waht appears in the loot list and what chance it has of appearing - it would make sense that a lv 54 spider has a better loot list than a level 50 spider.

However, the manner in which you kill them probably has very little effect - it is other factors such as what class you play and what you already have equipped that influences what the spider drops, for example if you are wearing, or have in your possession, an incomplete set of elite armour for your class, the spider will not drop repeat copies of the set pieces you already have, but will have a small chance to drop the pieces you dont own yet.

Honestly, I blame the lack of elites your getting on the speed at which you kill the spiders. I could probably farm an elite set in half the time you can simply because I kill the spider pretty much as fast as humanly possible, at least I have yet to stumble accross a way in which to speed up the process further.

As for whether or not it is possible to glean information from the enemy apart from that given by the targetting recticule - no, it's not. The only other information you can get is whether it is elite or not, or a polarity by the colour of the creatures aura, for example Ice polarities will glow blue. Ofc you can also tell whether it is a light or dark polarity the same way, and also by what effect oyur ballistic attacks hav on it. Thats all you get unfortunately.

[DarkCrown]

last 2 days , I farm for 2 hours and I receive a helmet , chest and glove (which my friend succeed into auto-salvage ! )

We farm the next day for 6 hours and barely only get red rune.

Big glowing gold spider that are level 52 or 60 (can't say what's the number , but there's a small blue arrow left of the # of the level) they always give money :/


Back to farming :O

[Ruq]

I read 6 pages of this and couldn't really stand reading the rest, but I would like to point something out:

I've done 3 or 4 Hal runs with my 50 berserker at capped Drop Chance and I'm barely getting orange items. I believe it's because technically I haven't beaten the game; my friend, who had beaten the game but got his file erased, managed to find a few pieces of helterskelter sets when he did Hall runs.

So if I had to guess I'd say your progression through the game has impact on what rank items you'll get. Or perhaps it just increases the chances, but I literally get nil for orange runes, teir 3 charms, etc.

Go into your stats and make sure you've gotten all the tokens for all the levels, somehow I'm missing 2-3, and I have 4-5 but none others on that level, and I'm missing 3-5 on the World Serpent. If I complete those and then start finding candy I'll let ya know.