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Actually it wasn't. I'm not complaining about the complete storyline itself, I understand the ins and outs of it (although a few bits make absolutely no sense). I'm complaining about the way it was handled and presented and ultimately neglected. There is an enormous difference. Just because you understand a storyline doesn't mean it's well crafted.
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343 just haven't hit that balance. Halo 4 is vague, but I don't think its deliberate, not for the most part. Things just seem to happen at random, and when they do they don't have the emotional impact that they should. Then as soon as they come up, you're off to the next big thing. Halo 4 bounces between big ideas far too quickly and haphazardly for players to fully appreciate them. Nothing is given time. The cutscenes have their moments, but for the most part they simply exist to propel the story onward, rather than shed any light on the things that players really want a reason to care about. You're right, the game does provide you with the bare minimum to put the pieces together, I just don't think the pieces are presented properly. Coherence and engaging plot take a backseat to action and this feeling of constantly pushing forward, no matter what you might miss. The actual story, while generic at times, makes for quite interesting speculation and debate. I won't deny that. But its delivery is well off the mark, and nowhere near the standard of Bungie's Halo games. In Halo 1-3, you were always looking forward to the next revelation, the next big event, the next thing that would tie some of the tale together. In Halo 4, you bounce between these things having had barely any time to think through what you've just seen or heard. You're not given the chance or the reason to appreciate the deep narrative which 343 have attached to this title because they just don't let you, which is a shame because you can see they've put a lot of thought and affection into it once you fully comprehend the entire plot. On a side note, the terminals are awesome, but the best bits of the story should really come during the actual story, not in the form of a collectible. There are quite a few things which didn't make much sense but I think in most cases you just have to let fantasy overtake reality. One giant fail is when Chief sets off the bomb though. If he's gonna activate a bomb thats sitting literally right next to him, he needs to die. How on Earth he went from setting off a nuclear payload to being encased in some kind of nuclear-bomb-resistant forcefield with Cortana is just beyond me. Her timing and accuracy would have had to have been unrealistically perfect, but to be honest I lost all track of what the hell she was doing after her console was decomposed. |
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halo 3 had a better story, the last half of 4's story was pure garbage. Why did lasky say i went to corbulo military academy when chief was the one who saved him there. And also why did lasky act like he barely knew chief thus contradicting forward unto down. And scan halseys brain and boom, another cortana.
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8 missions I knew that was too short when I read the achievements. Loved all the graphics and scenery but I honestly do not care for this game or this other life form I still don't know exactly if its a forerunner and old human being a conveneant leader da fuq I know but there just lacks so much explanation. 343 can't be arsed to care about explaining what they're showing us I can't be arsed care about their next releases. Should've stuck with Halo Wars.
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The writing was very ham-fisted and melodramatic. Cortana's descent into madness was truly the only engaging dialogue in the whole game. I have a beef with the ending "fight" itself too among other things and agree with Si Alpha on much of his observations. Boss fights can be archaic, or absolutely awesome and epic. This was sadly neither. It was something worse. It was absent, not engaging and anticlimactic. I must admit, getting control of MC as you're dangling by a hand off that bridge took me by surprise and was pretty awesome. But a crawling, quicktime event and a grenade plant? Seriously?!?! That was simply not a fun way to end the game. That it came after that crazy jet flight to deliver the bomb was incredibly anticlimactic. During this whole scene and how it played out, I kept seeing MW2's ending in my mind. Supplant the map and character skins, and make the grenade a knife. Voila. The story built up some serious steam in the first half, but later levels the glossing over caused that foundation to falter. It was kinda sad actually. |
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I'm glad I'm not the only one. Thank you guys for putting into words, what the majority of my thoughts were. Things just seemed too random and too fast moving. "Forced down our throats" is the perfect analogy.
ALSO, YES! Cortana. How could I miss that little detail. Before I get started on that... I LOVE Halo more than any other franchise out there. On the other hand, I appreciate other games of similar genres. In example, Gears of War 3: I'm not starting a "who's story is better" thing, but let me tell you. [SPOILER ALERT] When Dominic dies, I freaking cared! I was hurt a little, and Marcus' reaction AMPLIFIED that. It was a really sad moment. [/SPOILERS] Now, how could I not feel the same for Cortana? She's been attached to our beloved character for years. Maybe it was the story telling, or rather, maybe it was the confusion. IF she is dead, for some reason I think NOT (money), I really don't think she is which is why that experience was so lack-luster. It should of been a real tear jerker. OK, Chief has issues as explained in the beginning that Spartans struggle with normal human emotion, fine. But this is a STORY, and the readers (or players) should feel something. On a side note, maybe this has something to do with being at the very end of a story. I have no Phd in proper story telling, but I know what I like.
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As for Cortana, I'm wondering if anybody here actually knows what the hell happened to her? It all gets a bit convoluted with her towards the end, as if 343 decided from the outset that she had to die and couldn't come up with a logical way of doing it, hence the vagueness. This lack of clarity makes it harder to determine what her future is in the series, if any. If she really is dead, I'm guessing she'll be a major topic in Halo 5 and I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if 5 culminates in Chief finding a way to bring her back. That could be a truly standout moment in the franchise if done properly, if 343 handle it with more care and give it more time to build up than they did with her death in 4. Whatever happens, we haven't seen the last of Cortana. She was too important to the franchise and too crucial to the core gameplay and narrative to just be dropped like an acceptable loss. |
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Just finished solo Legendary. Can't believe they finally showed Master Chief's eyes. Totally didn't see that coming.
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Yeah I just wanted to shoot the Didact a little, maybe have a battle where Cortana blocks his force choke for a bit and you rail him with all the ammo you have- then cut to the grenade in the chest part. Also an escape would have been cool, can't remember if Chief's space craft got destroyed when he infiltrated in the last level, but some sort of space escape while the ship explodes would have been cool.
Also did anyone else want the Didact to look like handsome squidward/prometheus engineer?
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i'd still like to know why the elites ar enow back with the covenant, and they are evil again...what happened to the Arbiter, why the hell did they just join with Didact in a second flat, why the hell did we all know his name was Didact before he ever mentioned it, why was Chief not the least bit curious as to why there are hundreds of new Spartans, why the hell did he at no point say "what the hell is a mantis" before he just instantly new how to operate it...so many whys
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You are correct there but remember that the current Arbiter Thel 'Vadam wanted a truce between the Covenant and the humans. A lot of Sanghellis did not like this and rebelled.
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No really. Fantastic job spoiling that for me on a Halo 4 board.
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What do you want, a second post? If you really cared about it that much, you'd have known it by now. You clearly have nothing to contribute anyway so why are you even here?
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The dreadful wait that is going to be the release of Halo 5 on the Nextbox... I need to stay alive long enough to find out what happened to Cortana.
This can't be the end of her. So sad. What a sad and powerful ending. After that last cinematic, I didn't ever care about the plot holes or (apparent) inconsistencies. It all happened so fast. No closure or anything, only a sense of loss. So sad, indeed. I instantly thought of this song : "Twin Atlantic - Wonder Sleeps Here" ![]() "Can we go home tonight ? I'll take you there.." Erhm. Well, that was emotional. /sigh
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Anyone else expect Andross to pop up on the comm chat during the flying section in chapter 8?
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One of the few points in the game where your choices/actions/inactions actually matter. Too bad none of it makes a difference to the ending. Quote:
For the Elites/Covenant: Non All of the Sangheili are evil bad guys. Jul Mdama is in command of this particular Faction - The Storm - faction of fanatical "Covenant". I put Covenant in quotes because its not really the Covenant anymore. Jul inparticular has a humongous hatred towards humanity, and has persuaded an Isolated Sangheili/Covenant Colony to join forces with him(Mostly because the leaders of this Isolated colony believe him to be some sort of Messiah.) They all joined with the Didact because they think He's a god. And the Didact is taking advantage of them because of this. The Arbiter: Last we heard of the Arbiter was four years before Halo 4 takes place. The Arbiter had just one a minor victory over the Sangheili Rebels trying to overthrow him. This Sangheili civil war is a result of the Arbiters Alliance with Humanity. As to why the Chief didn't ask any questions about the Mantis, or Spartan IV's - There were more pressing matters than sitting around asking about these things. He didn't have time, there will be time for questions later. And he knew how to instantly operate the Mantis because He's the Master Chief. He can do anything, as cliche as that is. BUT, I also don't know how Cortana instantly knew he was the "that Didact". "That Didact" Cortana says. Did I miss the part where the Didact introduced himself as the Didact? Or did she discern that from the Forerunner writing/symbols? Quote:
Also, I was a little bit confused as to how she Saved the Chief at the end. Was it is some sort of Hardlight Nuke-proof Bubble? Did she teleport him out of the ship with the 'transit' system? If she did either one of these things for the Chief, then she also could have done them for herself. However, Even if she Didn't physically save herself Cortana was in the Didact's ship, and the Didacts ship almost certainly had access to the Domain. The Domain is a huge Forerunner Database not unlike our current interwebs, therefore any information stored in the Domain cannot be physically destroyed, unless the Forerunners had some equivalent to servers(which I highly doubt), and they wouldn't have been housed on the Didacts ship anyway. I'll bet anyone anything that Cortana is in the Domain, or whatever is left of the Domain after 100,000 years.
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Im actually kinda a little dissappointed with the story, it moved like the final part of a trilogy would, not the opening. The Didact was powerfull sure, but wasnt ever really a confrontational threat. Look how easily he got beat (Even though some sacrifice was required). What will Halo's 5 and 6 even be on? I was guessing this first one was the start of Cortana's rampancy, and the Didact's revival with some Jul' Mdama splashed in there. Halo 5 was to be escalation on Cortana's condiditon, the Didact's master plan revealed, and maybe the conclusion to the Jul conflict. And Halo 6 was to be the final battle between Humanity and the didact while also resolving Cortana's condition. Jul didnt make a single appearence outsdie the first terminal however so Im lost as to what the reamining trilogy will cover.
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All i will say is this is a trilogy..... There is more to come! But the build up for the story was epic and its turned out pretty weird nothing explained and i kill the uber badman with a grenade.. ok
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Cortana will be back. I can't see her not being back. Who does Chief talk to if she isn't?
Now, whether it will be the Cortana that was left behind, who knows. |
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Dude, relax. Mass Effect 3 isn't a linear game. That's only one possible outcome for her. She didn't commit suicide in my playthrough. The Quarian piece and her ended very differently.
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To those wondering about the backstory, a lot of this was set up in the terminals in Halo 3, and more importantly, the "Forerunner Trilogy" of books by Greg Bear (two of which are released, the third in January 2013). They give backstory on the Didact, the Forerunners prior war with the humans (which also gives OUR backstory) and frankly the story of the entire galaxy 150,000 years ago. They are a bit rough at points, but still worth reading for some interesting insights. They certainly help with some of the key plot points in Halo 4.
I realize that many will complain that a video game should be able to tells its own story without relying on extra contact, and I think Halo 4 still did that, but I do think the books help inform the story. That being said, the next two games may paint a more complete picture. This was just "Part I" of the new trilogy of Halo games. |
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A lot of this stuff is also covered in the Waypoint videos you get through Terminals, which kinda sucks. I think they should've gone for something just a bit smaller in terms of scale to make it a bit clearer. But I agree on the Mystery part of things, as most of the 'ooh, what's that mean?' stuff here is either answered or just dropped before you can soak it in.
I'm not saying it's a bad story, but the way it's told is a bit forced. How long is the opening cutscene in this game? While it was firing up, I wanted it to end just so I could start playing already. The ending was good though, but I'm still wondering what that ending meant, if anything at all. Does the Master Chief never take his armor off or something? Did he get Space Depression? Did he quit? I feel if I beat it on Legendary I'd probably guess that one of his eyes is a different color to signify his 'evolution beginning.' Overall, not a bad Campaign. The ending fell flat for me. I thought it started off great, but then it just sorta devolved into Halo 1 but with a more annoying enemy than the flood if you ask me. They're tougher and have about the same numbers. I'd probably say 3 > ODST > 1 > 4 > 2 > Reach, for me. 2 didn't have an ending, and the writing in Reach was so cliched it hurt. There was some cliched/stereotypical stuff here as well, but it wasn't as overwrought as Reach was.
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The death of Cortana has really pissed me off. but i still think she is alive. perhaps didact recovered her remains and used forerunner tech to bring her back, then hold her hostage for the chief to come back for her lol. i just hope she comes back.
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Like other people have mentioned, the game's plot moved way too fast. It was fine until you meet the Didact, then everything just went as fast as possible. Not once did I ever feel a sense of urgency from any of the situations. I also like how nobody gave a shit that there was a living Prothean, oops sorry I mean Forerunner. When Master Chief was talking to the doctor on the station and said "He wants it back" she just looks dumbfounded. I expected her to say "Back? Is that a Forerunner ship?" or something. Not "But it's MAH ARTIFACT!!!"
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Also, something to take note of from the Librarians "Accelerated Evolution". . . Pay attention to the ending cinematic. Notice how John is 2 or 3 feet taller than Palmer? When they Palmer and John first met she said "I thought you'd be taller". The UNSC was present at Installation 03 because that was the Infinity's Specific Mission in Recent months before Halo 4. Finding the Remaining Halo Rings and Decommissioning them so they can't be used to destroy all life in the Galaxy.
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