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For the 11 statues there are not directly a success, probably! But you pay for the 100% success. You quite sure you need to but new combat to learn. 2 Statues you can also collect only for missions which wasn't bad though, because each completed mission via "social contacts menu" can be repeated at any time. Tutorial for the Mapsymbols: Fairly early in the game you get a mission with the name "Bam Bam Club", this mission performed by the end. During the mission, you have contact with Tiffany. You get her phone number and should call immediately after the end of the mission "Bam Bam Club" Tiffany. You meet in Bam Bam Club and we sing a karaoke song for her, so we of course. Can you manage any song with a 90% or higher rating, you will receive a thank you to the places Jadestatuen for your map. Timelinks:
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Achievements: West End Scavenger Unlock every lockbox in Kennedy Town and Aberdeen Central Scavenger Unlock every lockbox in Central. North Point Scavenger Unlock every lockbox in North Point. Tutorial for the Mapsymbols: pretty much in the middle of the game you get the mission "important visitors", plays and finished the mission. During the mission you have your contact to Ilyana, you is the key for our concern. Directly at the end of the mission "bugging" calls your Ilyana and meet you in the K-bar, flirts with her, and wins the subsequent FREERUN race. As a reward you have from now all safes on the map. Timelinks:
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Jadestatue Missions: Mission at 03:53: Conflicted Loyalties Mission at 06:39: Bad Luck Lockbox Bam-Bam-Club: Play the Mission "The New Boss" Central 29/30: Go to Victoria Peak and look at the Map to "P" Northpoint 38/40: the way to Victoria Peak are 2 Boxes, look at the Map above (Orangenumber 39 and 40 ) Last edited by Predni; 09-04-2012 at 07:21 PM. |
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Below is a full list of all Clothing, Vehicles & Awards. I was not able to fit this into the guide no matter how many times I moved things around. Hopefully this all gets added into the guide once it is published. Any questions look at the related achievement in the guide or post a comment in the guide HERE.
*Segment Next Gamer's Resource link HERE. CLOTHING *For purchasing clothing I would recommend to reach Face level 10. You will get a 40% discount when buying any clothing item, also wearing certain sets of clothes together will also give you a % off clothing. 1. Number One Clothing: Location. North Point Night Market Undershirt - $55 Knock-Off Hang + Sui V Neck (Light Grey) - $80 Counterfeit J. Jiggler Track Pants (Yellow) - $90 Very Baggy Jeans - $110 Faux J. Jiggler Canvas Sneakers - $105 Baseball Cap (Black) - $60 Beaded Dragon - $750 Rocker Wristband - $550 2. Very Best Discount Store: Location. North Point Night Market and Central T-Shirt (White) - $70 T-Shirt (Black) - $70 Fake Hang + Sui Fourhead V Neck - $490 Counterfeit Couronne Verdant V Neck - $355 Knock-Off J. Jiggler Track Pants (Charcoal) - $500 Knock-Off J. Jiggler Track Pants (Blue) - $500 Trucker Hat (Design 1) - $210 Trucker Hat (Design 2) - $210 Knock Off Frisky Sunglasses (Design 1) - $110 Awareness Band (Blue) - $45 Awareness Band (Orange) - $45 Awareness Band (White) - $45 Awareness Band (Yellow) - $45 3. Savings City and Central Impound Yard: Location. North Point Night Market and Central. T-Shirt (Bright Green) - $245 T-Shirt (Forest Green) - $245 Knock-Off J. Jiggler Jersey (Green) - $850 Trucker Hat (Design 3) - $235 Knock Off Frisky Sunglasses (Design 2) - $255 Face Mask - $140 Awareness Band (Pink) - $45 Awareness Band (Purple) - $45 4. Even Better Discount Clothing Store and Kennedy Town Docks: Location. North Point Night Market and Kennedy Town Docks Faux J. Jiggler Sports! T-Shirt (Blue) T-Shirt (Brown) - $85 Knock-Off Hang + Sui V Neck - $125 Fake J. Jiggler Hoody - $375 Ikoze Talent - $850 Ikoze Perform - $840 Baseball Cap (Yellow) - $245 Baseball Cap (Red) - $245 Awareness Band (Bright Green) - $45 5. Hang + Sui (North Point): Location. North Point J. Jiggler Track Top (Red) - $1,299 J. Jiggler Track Top (Blue) - $1,299 Ikoze T-Shirt (Black) - $575 Ikoze Bold T-Shirt - $469 Hang + Sui V Neck (Blue) - $1,445 J. Jiggler Hoody (Purple) - $532 Couronne Tank Top (Black) - $1,080 Ikoze Naturals - $5050 J. Jiggler Canvas Sneakers - $1,580 Baseball Cap (Orange) - $245 Baseball Cap (White) - $245 Frisky Cruiser Sunglasses - $2,440 6. J. Jiggler: Location. North Point Hang + Sui Dino T-Shirt - $450 J. Jiggler Sports! T-Shirt - $529 Couronne Fubar Hoody - $4,100 J. Jiggler Track Pants (Red) - $749 J. Jiggler Track Pants (White) - $749 Hang + Sui Baggy Jeans (Black) - $1,680 Hang + Sui Baggy Jeans (Light Blue) - $1,680 J. Jiggler Canvas Sneakers (Green) - $1,565 J. Jiggler Canvas Sneakers (Blue) - $1,565 Baseball Cap (Green) - $245 Panama Hat - $1,200 Hang + Sui Leather Wrist Bands - $5,960 7. Couronne: Location. Central Couronne Classic - $7,920 Couronne Long Jacket - $26,000 Hang + Sui T-Shirt - $530 Couronne Whiskered Jeans - $4,420 Achete Boots - $3,450 Frisky Blockers (Design 1) - $12,420 Frisky Blockers (Design 2) - $3,420 Frisky Gold Chain - $12,000 Ikoze Sport Watch - $12,945 8. Ikoze: Location. Central Couronne T-Shirt (Black) - $420 Hang + Sui T-Shirt - $570 Generic V Neck - $340 Couronne Street V Neck (Red) - $1,215 Achete Button Up Shirt - $8,670 Achete Leather Jacket (Black) - $4,180 Achete Leather Jacket (Brown) - $4,180 Ikoze Kicks (Black) - $1,645 Ikoze Kicks (White) - $1,645 Hang + Sui Pilots (Silver) - $1,370 Hang + Sui Pilots (Black) - $1,370 Frisky White Gold Chain - $5,320 Hang + Sui Coin On String Necklace - $180 Ikoze Sport Watch (Silver) - $835 9. Hang + Sui (Central): Location. Central Hang + Sui T-Shirt (Purple) - $270 Ikoze Bold T-Shirt (Blue) - $230 Couronne Street V Neck (White) - $910 Bruno James Street V Neck (Black) - $5,385 Bruno James Street V Neck (Blue) - $4,385 Couronne V Neck (Grey) - $620 J. Jiggler Puffy Coat (Red) - $6,080 J. Jiggler Puffy Coat (Dark Green) - $6,080 J. Jiggler Puffy Coat (Blue) - $6,080 Hang + Sui Cargo Pants (Green) - $2,620 Hang + Sui Cargo Pants (Grey) - $2,620 Hang + Sui Camo Cargo Pants - $2,620 Hang + Sui Boot Cut Jeans - $4,845 Couronne Douche Jeans - $6,200 Ikoze Kicks (Red) - $1,400 Ikoze Kicks (Light Blue) - $1,400 Ikoze Assassins - $6,700 Ikoze Clubstyle - $6,700 Faux J. Jiggler Canvas Sneakers (White) - $460 J. Jiggler Canvas Sneakers (Black) - $1,660 Frisky Ice - $12,020 Frisky Gold - $4,400 10. Achete: Location. Central Couronne V Neck (Blue) - $515 Ikoze Pride V Neck (Yellow) - $500 Achete Hipster Hacket (Grey) - $9,240 Achete Hipster Hacket (Black) - $9,240 Achete Hipster Hacket (Red) - $9,240 Ikoze Quilted Jacket - $12,400 J. Jiggler Straight Leg Jeans (Blue) - $21,620 J. Jiggler Straight Leg Jeans (Dark Blue) - $21,620 J. Jiggler Skinny Jeans - $5,000 J. Jiggler Canvas Sneakers (Yellow) - $1,368 J. Jiggler Canvas Sneakers (Yellow 2) - $1,468 Ikoze Kicks - $6,220 Frisky Cruiser Sunglasses (Black) - $9,500 Frisky Cruiser Sunglasses (White) - $9,500 Ikoze Sports Watch (Black) - $17,500 11. Bruno James: Location. Central Couronne Puffy Vest (Red) - $28,800 Aspirazone Business Suit (Black) - $20,030 Aspirazone Business Suit (Navy Blue) - $20,030 Hang + Sui Slacks (Dark Blue) - $12,235 Hang + Sui Slacks (Charcoal) - $12,235 Dress Suit Pants by Achete (Dark Blue) - $5,390 Dress Suit Pants by Achete (Dark Grey) - $5,390 Achete Tan Loafers - $14,620 Achete Black Loafers - $14,620 Hang + Sui Oxford - $5,850 Achete Standup Boots - $17,400 Cambria Scallop Watch - $24,500 Black Pearl Bracelet by Cambria - $29,000 12. Aspirazone: Location. Central Aspirazone Designer Suit (Black and Red) - $61,600 Aspirazone Designer Suit (Blue) - $57,750 Aspirazone Suit Pants - $18,160 Aspirazone Dress Suit Pants (Navy) - $18,160 Aspirazone Dress Suit Pants (Light Grey) - $18,160 Dress Suit Pants - $7,200 Aspirazone Dress Suit Pants (Grey) - $10,200 Aspirazone Dress Suit Pants (Brown) - $10,200 Stiddaroli Brown - $26,400 Stiddaroli White - $26,400 Black Loafers - $14,235 Earth Tone Loafers - $14,235 Aspirazone Malavitosi Black - $22,240 13. Salzaus: Location. Kennytown Bruno James Formal Suit (Grey) - $42,350 Bruno James Formal Suit (Blue) - $42,350 Bruno James Formal Suit (Tan) - $42,350 Bruno James Formal Suit (White) - $42,350 Futurismo - $92,400 Aspirazone Designer Suit (Blue and Tan) - $57,750 Aspirazone Designer Suit (Brown) - $53,900 Aspirazone Business Suit (Blue and Grey) - $46,200 Aspirazone Business Suit (Black and Grey) - $46,200 Aspirazone Dress Suit Pants (White) - $17,315 Aspirazone Dress Suit Pants (Dark Grey) - $17,315 Cream Meshiders - $27,700 Black Meshiders - $27,700 Brown Meshiders - $27,700 Cambria Nerdique - $49,250 Jade Necklace - $150,000 Cambria Insider - $107,800 Gold Link Bracelet - $269,500
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VEHICLES *For purchasing vehicles I would recommend to reach Face level 10. You will get a 40% discount when buying any vehicles, also wearing certain sets of clothes together will also give you a % off vehicles. Top Glamour Imports: Drag 979: $92,700 CS 750 R: $69,300 860 MHC: $462,000 SES: $405,000 Bismarck: $390,000 Executive: $210,000 Terre GT:$280,100 North Point Chop Shop: Kyou Kan: $85,000 Bisai: $29,000 Sparc: $55,000 Prime: $73,200 Neo V: $63,200 GX300: $38,000 Central Import Yard: Hassha: $153,000 Ridge Sport: $270,000 Taikai: $125,000 Drifter GT: $210,000 Enterprise: $330,000 Odaiko: $160,000 Kennedy Town Docks: Panzer: $360,000 Velocita: $649,900 Etalon: $520,300 1100 NA-R: $150,000 Wangan GSX: $550,500 Tuono: $605,000 Blast: $420,000
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AWARDS TIPS: (These are listed in order they appear in the Social Hub)• Overall: You will unlock this through natural progression. • Fluid Striker: Load up 'Mrs Chu's Revenge'. After chasing Ratface, you will come to an area where some enemies have firearms and are behind cover. Get into cover by pressing LB and then press A to vault over and disarm and kill the enemy. Reload check point until you award pops. • Head Hunter: Once you have your hands on a pistol or some sort of firearm. Start to aim for the heads. Recommend doing this as early as possible as some enemies towards the end of the game machine guns and will kill you quickly. • Lucky Shooter: While having a firearm in your hands, take cover by tapping LB. Then start to shoot over cover and luckily hitting and killing near by enemies. • Fire Starter: You can grind this out on 'Funeral' mission. Once you pick up the grenade launcher, start to kill the surrounding enemies. And the enemies in the parking lot. • Sniper: This shouldn't be to hard. While you are in shooting driving sequences, everything will go into slow-mo giving you an advantage towards your accuracy. OR you can get this by hardly missing any enemy while you have a firearm in some missions. • Gunman: You will get plenty of chances to use a firearm during the game. This will come with natural progression. • Ninja: If you have already learned the Leg Breaker move then this will be easy. Since doing the Leg Breaker leaves enemies dazed. See Bonebreaker for more info.. But pretty much daze an enemy and quickly walk behind them, double tap B and Wei will finish the enemy with a sneak attack. • Bonebreaker: You will need to learn the Leg Breaker move form the Kung Fu Temple, by return a number of jade statue. Once youve learned the Leg Breaker, grab an enemy with B, tap X once and then hold X. Rinse and repeat. • Environmentalist: Fairly easy. Environmental objects glow in red once you have grappled an enemy. Try using as many of those objects in the areas you can, and this will come easily. • Handyman: An easy melee weapon to find is the Tire Iron, found in the trunks of cars. Or melee weapons you pick up from enemies. Suggest always having a melee weapon when you go and do the Drug Bust missions, or when you are about to fight the enemies in red that surround the lockboxs. • Disarming: Same as Fluid Striker. Load up mission 'Mrs Chu's Revenge'. After chasing Ratface, you will come to an area where some enemies have firearms and are behind cover. Get into cover by pressing LB and then press A to vault over and disarm and kill the enemy. Reload check point until you award pops. • Defence: Another natural progression. You will come to plenty of fights in the game. To counter press Y when the enemy starts to glow in red. • Fast Talker: This will come through natural progression. But if you want to grind it out. You can replay the mission where you take Winstons girlfriend to get her wedding stuff. Later in that same mission you will go to the Monks Temple. There you will come across 3 fast talk sequence. (If anyone remembers what the mission is called, please let me know.) • Deadeye: This is actually the funny to do. An easy weapon to find is the Tire Iron, located in the trunks of cars. Enemies also drop weapons. This is usually a one-hit-kill on the small enemies. Just tap the RT button and Wei will launch the weapon straight at the enemy. • Martial Artist: Killing enemies with melee is pretty much the number one way of killing. You will come to a lot of fights during your playthough, so this will come naturally. • Enforcer: Will come with natural progression. Unlike the Public Enemy stat. This one does not have to be in one sitting. Just kill all enemies you come across. You will have this by the time you finish the game. • Safe Driver: Get into a slow car and drive on the highway. Just take your time and try not to hit anything or slow down to much as your timer will stop. A good trick that works is to slightly tap the RT button over and over. • Reckless Driver: Recommended to buy an A class vehicle early as possible. And drive that vehicle the whole game. To find an A class vehicle store, go to the one in Kennedytown. If not you can also steal some A class vehicles from people in the streets. • Hijacker: To highjack a car you will need to hold A and get behind another moving vehicle. There will be a white arrow, once it turns green press A again to jump to the other vehicle. Do this 10 times on any random vehicle. The highway works best for this. • Wrecker: To rack up 50 cars wrecked. Replay the 'Funeral' mission. Move through the mission as normal. After picking up the grenade launcher, save your ammo, you will end up in a parking lot. Start to blow up all the cars you can. Remember leave an enemy or two alive. That way you can die and restart from checkpoint. • Racer: There are 18 races in total. 2 out of the 18 unlock when you take Sandra out on a date. And some races require you to have either a A, B or C class vehicle to compete in. • Mogul: This will come naturally. Later in the game you will able able to do jobs for a guy named Tran. Tran will ask you to boost car and return them to his garage. If you do not damage the car you will earn full value for the car. The values are displayed on the left side of your screen. Doing Trans jobs will net you around $4, 000, 000. • Big Spender: Don't worry much about this one. You will probably spend more that the request amount once you start to buy all your vehicles and all clothing items. • Gambler: Alright go to the Cockfight in Kennedytown. Save your game before talking to the man at the gate. Bet the highest amount $100, 000 on whatever rooster you picked. (For me I always picked the rooster with the least wins.) If you win the bet, back out and save, and bet again. If you lose, DON'T save, just load up your previous save and go back to the Kennedytown Cockfight. Do this 10 more times. • Completionist: Will come with natural progression. You will need to reach 100% completion in the game. Includes all missions, cases, favors, events, jobs and races. • Explorer: You only need 175 out of 187 collectibles for this. After dating Amanda, Tiffany, Not Peng and King. They will award you by showing you all locations of the many kinds of collectibles. • Survivor: You will need to be on Heat 2. To get Heat 2 quickly, just run over a cop. Then stay really near the cop car that is chasing you.
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No, based on my play yesterday quite the opposite - they will appear on the map. Health shrines and lock boxes that I found while roaming appeared as markers.
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Did you just stick them into Google Translate? You didn't even try to make it comprehensible from that, did you?
Anyway, I came here to say collectibles don't disappear off the map, but they do disappear off the radar.
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i add a own creativ Map with all Numbers (Timelinks) in the Spoiler under the Collectibles Videos. You can now easy follow and choose what you missing or want to see. The Guide is 99% finish now, still waiting for the last Translate. regards |
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Holy hell...I nearly spit my coffee all over my monitor when I saw this...Thank you for the laugh
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What's the name of the mission at 3:53 in the jade statues video? The video says that the only way to get that statue is during the mission, but the name of the mission is in another language.
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The mission you get it in is called "Conflicted Loyalties" (Pretty sure). It is late in the game, and story related. You will get there, and it is not hard to miss.
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I can't get the lockbox in the Bam Bam club the door is shut I already beat the game too.
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The last Translate is done and the Guide is now Finish
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Great guide! Thank you for your hard work!
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very good guide Thanks!
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When you get far enough in the game the locations of all health shrines, statues and lockboxes appear on the in-game map so you don't need to waste your time watching videos.
Just sayin' for those that don't know.
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Ps.: Sorry Predni that I didn't have time for the translation-service, I was too busy haha.
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pics (especially of the cars) would make this guide perfect!!! still good though, thanks for posting.
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That clothing list seems to be wrong, since I've been to every clothing store in Central looking for Futurismo, and none of them carry it. Same can be said for the "Aspirazone Dress Suit Pants" and their "Designer Suits". It says a clothing store in Central carries all four of each, but my clothing list says I only own two (and I've been to each store, and they say that I have all items purchased).
EDIT: Before anyone says, I have Face level 10, so it isn't like I can't purchase everything because of restrictions. EDIT 2: I just checked the list again, and compared it to the ones I'm missing. I have 11 clothing items left to find, and according to the list here, they're all in Central, but as I said, I bought everything in Central. EDIT 3: Wait a second.. This list shows 7 clothing stores in Central, but the game map only shows 6 stores.. EDIT 4: Alright, this time I went to every store in Central, and looked at the names of the stores.. There's definitely something odd going on, because it shows 4 Hang + Sui stores, and 2 Aspirazone stores in Central alone. And I would think that would be completely wrong, judging by the list of stores. Are the clothing stores random, or something? EDIT 5: I figured out why I wasn't finding the clothing stores. The list has Salzaus as being in Central, when it's actually in Kennedy Town, and I was being confused trying to find that 7th store there. It had the last items I needed to finish. Last edited by * Clueless *; 08-20-2012 at 06:04 PM. |
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Wow that's a pile of clothes! Isn't there an achievement for getting them all? I seem to remember seeing one. It's going to take a butt load full of money to get them.
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So I skimmed through this pretty quickly.
What are the items that you can no longer collect in the end-game? Just 1 hard-to-miss Jade statue? |
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Going to take forever to get all the clothes and cars. Need to grind some Money. Any tips on how too?
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Cool thanks. I was confused with the lady cop since she kinda has a similar name. A good way to grind money (if you have completed all cases, side missions, races, etc..) will be to go the Cockfight in Kennytown (far left side of the map). You will be able to bet the highest of $100, 000. So before you actually go and bet, save your game, then speak to the guy in front to place a bet. If you lose, load your save and try again. If you win, save after your win and go back to the Cockfight. Repeat over and over.
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Great post, needs a sticky.
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