FREE "Extended Cut" Story DLC Announced

[N7 Shadow]

Originally Posted by Rivercurse

Big news.. I know I'm in the minority, but the more I think on it, the more I liked the original ending. *flameshield*

Anyway, I trust bioware, and this doesn't sound like new endings. Just clarification and expansion on the one we've got. That's fine with me.

Same here.

Oh and that shield was from the Guardian he killed a few nights ago.

[specVjavi]

I just finished the game last weekend... And while some clarification and some closure on the ending will be greatly appreciated on my behalf, I hope this dlc is not a brand new, completely different ending. We can't UNSEE what's already been seen. If they change the ending, I will still remember the original ending that we received. Though, because it's titled Extended Cut, I don't foresee a completely different ending, just some sort of explanation. Which is fine by me.

[ZingZitang]

Originally Posted by Ethereal235

The part that you're pissed about, the 'space magic' (exactly what everything related to FTL travel, the mass relays, biotics, etc. is) and the explanation the Catalyst gives, seems to have been expected. The only thing that ever would have been different was the presentation. That's exactly what they're changing, too. Artistic integrity generally means staying true to the themes and purpose of what you're working on. If you're saying artistic integrity means that everyone working on the project signs off on every scene, then by that definition, I suspect most of the game lacks it.

I'm not really pissed about anything. I just think the whole ending is a joke. Of course its all "Space magic", but come on! The incomprehensible existence of the Reapers is to, As Synthetics(Reapers are synthetics) destroy all life before its destroyed by synthetics? What a Joke. Then a Magic Wave of Light/Energy wins the game? Really?

And while I guess it was never really confirmed, I'm sure you read about Patrick Weekes(Confirmed member of the Mass Effect Writing team), who posted on Penny Arcade about how Hudson Didn't allow any other members of the Writing team to Edit/Review the Final Mission and the Ending of the game. His post was immediately Removed(Note: this was all before the Ending Controversy Exploded). Weekes says it wasn't him, but I imagine his job was in jeopardy, in which case I would also deny it. This is what I was referring to.

If we go with that definition of Artistic Integrity, then it most definitely was completely thrown out the window in the end of the game. Because the entire ending most definitely does not stay true to the themes and purpose of the Rest of the Entire Trilogy.

Either way, I never expected them to give us a Completely new ending, and Bioware's "Artistic Integrity" is still intact because they're simply elaborating on the ending, not changing it.

I look forward to seeing what happens in the Extended Cut DLC.

[RDrules]

anything they do to try and fix the mess of an ending is good cant see it doing a good job though.

oh and artistic integrity is rubbish anyway, its just something people say when they're works shit and people call them on it so they dont actually have to fix it, fact is a good artist who is being paid for their work will change it i the customer isnt happy and i dont remember anyone screaming about artistic integrity when Mass Effect: Deception came out and theyre doing an entire frikking rewrite on that one

Originally Posted by ZingZitang

I'm not really pissed about anything. I just think the whole ending is a joke. Of course its all "Space magic", but come on! The incomprehensible existence of the Reapers is to, As Synthetics(Reapers are synthetics) destroy all life before its destroyed by synthetics? What a Joke.

this is actually the only complaint about the ending that i dont agree with and think people are entirely wrong about.

the whole error there relies on people saying that reapers are synthetics and as of mass effect 2s ending they are not, they are hybrids of organic and synthetic, the reapers dont destroy all life they turn them into reapers and like the geth the organics become part of a "collective" type structure and so are "saved" from being destroyed.

hat they are doing is trying to stop all organics being wiped out by synthetics by joining them with themselves before it happens.

Its not that stupid just twisted machine logic, it makes perfect sense that a computer program would think this when it has no true concept of free will or organic survival instinct

[Z3R0 S1X]

Who thinks we'll be right back were we started once this drops and people see the extended ending? Most everyone? Thought so because somehow I don't think this will please anywhere near everyone that has beaten the game.

[fastNcurious]

Since people have been so passionate about the ending, Bioware/EA should've done a kickstarter fund to make this extended ending. So gamers get what they want, and Bioware/EA don't have to use their own money. Lol.

(Yes, I realize it's a twisted idea. Woulda been funny in a sick way though.)

[xTGMx INF3RNO]

This could be a major fail for all the people who raged. There not changing the ending just adding more scenes. Personally thats good IMO. I just want some answers and a longer ending pleaasee. Maybe add more to the secret/good ending

[D-star]

Originally Posted by RDrules

this is actually the only complaint about the ending that i dont agree with and think people are entirely wrong about.

the whole error there relies on people saying that reapers are synthetics and as of mass effect 2s ending they are not, they are hybrids of organic and synthetic, the reapers dont destroy all life they turn them into reapers and like the geth the organics become part of a "collective" type structure and so are "saved" from being destroyed.

hat they are doing is trying to stop all organics being wiped out by synthetics by joining them with themselves before it happens.

Its not that stupid just twisted machine logic, it makes perfect sense that a computer program would think this when it has no true concept of free will or organic survival instinct

This sounds like a two part episode from Doctor Who, Series 4 , Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead. Bioware wanted an open ended conclusion but they put in to many logical holes in the story.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_in_the_Library

[grimkillah]

I do have a feeling we are going to come back to this ending crisis after extended cut release.

[ZingZitang]

Originally Posted by RDrules

Its not that stupid just twisted machine logic, it makes perfect sense that a computer program would think this when it has no true concept of free will or organic survival instinct

I can agree that its just twisted machine logic. Like in countless other stories involving AI/Robots. They destroy humanity to prevent it from destroying itself.

It just doesn't fit with everything else we know about the Reapers. And I'm sad that the Reapers are this Cliche.

[grimkillah]

Originally Posted by ZingZitang

I can agree that its just twisted machine logic. Like in countless other stories involving AI/Robots. They destroy humanity to prevent it from destroying itself.

It just doesn't fit with everything else we know about the Reapers. And I'm sad that the Reapers are this Cliche.

My idea of reaper havesting advanced race to combine intelligence to solve the dark energy problem would be so much better.

[Ethereal235]

Don't want to belabor the point here, but the reapers don't destroy all life at the end of each cycle, just the ones that are advanced enough to create synthetics. Catalyst kid said so, and literally every species in the galaxy is an example of the honesty of the statement.

I hope they actually add dialogue options to that scene. I had questions for him, and I'd at least like more than "It's your choice," and no guidance or direction at all. If they only add better cutscenes and some sort of epilogue that tells me what happens after all the shit I've done, I'll be happy, but I'd be interested in talking to the Catalyst more than we were allowed to.

[RDrules]

Originally Posted by D-star

This sounds like a two part episode from Doctor Who, Series 4 , Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead. Bioware wanted an open ended conclusion but they put in to many logical holes in the story.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_in_the_Library

theres a massive difference though, the dr who episodes were the middle fan ongoing series with a near infinite amount of time left to clear up everything in episodes like that.

mass effect 3 is supposedly the end of the trilogy and so should have cleared up the entire arc with nothing left open then the next game would be the start of an entirely new story

[IVIR BLOBBY]

I don't see much of a point in this, but if its free i cant complain

I mean my only issue with the ending was how each ending felt the same & the overarching knowledge that with the mass relays gone, me4 was not going to happen. With this DLC i'll get a few more conversation options and a bit more clarity but overall it wont change my opinion of the ending.

Overall the game was excellent, ending let me down for the aforementioned reasons but a game that keeps me playing for a 30 hour playthough i cannot say is bad with a straight face.

[DEG23]

Looks like i may be the only one who doesn't really care about this DLC. To me the damage is done to a point where i have no desire to go back and 'learn more'. Extended scenes don't interest me even if this does so what happens to the different war assets or your allies i have a feeling it won't incorporate all my choices so i don't think a few extra scenes will change anything.

[DarkReign2021]

I support this move from Bioware. I've never actually hated the ending of the game. I only hated that all 3 endings were pretty much the same video and that there was no conclusion as to what happened to any of the characters that we came to love these last 5 years. I just want to know what happened as a result of the Crucible, not to change the outcome. What Bioware did was what Bioware wanted to do and that's how they're prepared to open the next trilogy in the series (or whichever developer EA decides to allow to tackle it. I wouldn't mind seeing Obsidian take a shot at it so long as they can weed out the damn glitches that always plague their games. KOTOR II was proof that they have a strong story development team.)

[Dz06lt]

thankfully artistic choices of the creators wont be affected. That said it is kinda pointless that they are going to take until summer to get the scenes done

[Vindicator51]

Just a thought about something. If these are cutscenes already in the game, then that just makes the less writers leak more valid.

[ColdSpider72]

Originally Posted by Vindicator51

Just a thought about something. If these are cutscenes already in the game, then that just makes the less writers leak more valid.

If the cutscenes were already in the game, we wouldn't have to wait till Summer to get them. Do you really think Bioware wanted to push the rest of their DLC schedule back for something that was already finished? They are potentially losing tons of money by pushing their other plans back, so I highly doubt it.

And I think the leak was valid for one simple reason. Because Patrick Weekes never responded on Twitter to say that it happened any other way. If you wanted to clear your name, wouldn't you come out and say "No, everyone was involved in the writing of the ending"? Or "It was actually so and so"? He hasn't said one word publicly about it ever since the leak.

The writers are very generous with their praise of each others' accomplishments, especially when responding to tweets. If anyone else had been involved with the ending besides who we were told about in the leak, you can bet Patrick would have been the first one to say "So and so helped with the ending, too" If for no other reason than to give the other people credit for their work......whether we hate that work or not. He is a pretty humble guy, so if he had helped with the ending and not someone else, he would have admitted it. The fact that he mentions nobody, speaks volumes.

Also, neither Casey nor Mac have come out to say that they DIDN'T work on the ending......so that lends further validation.

[Vindicator51]

I'm pretty sure they would've heard much more praise, if the team actually had influence on the ending. Then we would probably have avoided Sci-fi fantasy as well.

The way he talked about it in the article screamed ideas for the endgame.

[Merch]

Originally Posted by Vindicator51

Just a thought about something. If these are cutscenes already in the game, then that just makes the less writers leak more valid.

There are audio files from the old 'dark energy' ending still in the game

[Hunterking]

Why is there a pic of JOKEr underneath the article?

[13ip0lar]

Originally Posted by Merch

There are audio files from the old 'dark energy' ending still in the game

What was the old/original ending suppose to be? I heard it got leaked so they changed it to the bullshit one we got now.

[ABD CakeTime]

"We'll give you more closure, but you have to pay us first". Nice try Bioware, but you already got my money once and then you tried to say that nobody understands your phoned in efforts. Sounds like a money grab to me, kind of like the day one DLC.

[Hunterking]

Originally Posted by ABD CakeTime

"We'll give you more closure, but you have to pay us first". Nice try Bioware, but you already got my money once and then you tried to say that nobody understands your phoned in efforts. Sounds like a money grab to me, kind of like the day one DLC.

... it's free...

[ABD CakeTime]

That's not the point. I won't give them any more of my time, they don't deserve it.

[Hunterking]

Originally Posted by ABD CakeTime

That's not the point. I won't give them any more of my time, they don't deserve it.

That was your entire point actually

But why won't you give it a chance... I know you'll be suckered in by "free" and "Mass Effect" and "DLC"... You can't resist!

[ABD CakeTime]

Hey, just because I'm Jewish doesn't mean I can't resist free things, though I'll admit it is difficult. Also, I posted prior to morning coffee and didn't read the entire article. I've pretty much checked out of Bioware's fan camp at this point, when they tried to get me to drop another $10 on release day I had enough. The game's ending just added to it, and the Multiplayer suffers from being extremely not fun ever. Short of producing a parody of their horrible ending starring Shepard wearing rainbow colored armor and voiced by Pauly Shore or something equally ridiculous and unexpected, I don't want in.

[Hunterking]

You're Jewish, so what? I'm Dutch!
They don't come any cheaper

[Belvik]

Didn't think the ending was necessarily that terrible, it was just stupid that all three were basically the same. I will definitely enjoy elaboration on what happens after the choice is made so we can see what happens with other races/members of our crew. I just hope they arent stupid enough to make it a stock ending for each endgame choice that doesnt take other choices we made in to account.