The PS3 vs Wii60

[Minty]

Def Jam is only £7?? Cheapest I can see it is £22 and thats on ebay.

Id say most people throught Europe will use play.com. which is selling it for £40 http://www.play.com/Games/Xbox360/4-...searchsource=1

Games like Guitar Hero are £65, which is $130 US. So yeah, I can say that games are more expensive over here. Def Jam isnt a good example as its crap, noone buys it and they have to sell it cheap.

[twelve]

Originally Posted by zebatov

I agree with most things he's said here... I'd like to add that the PS3 also doesn't have a removable HD and you can't resell games. However, I disagree that games are more expensive in the UK. I'm talking with my friend right now and he says that DEF Jam is only 7 pounds. That's what... Less than 20 Canadian? Most games here are still over 40. Good article.

PS3 has a very removeable HDD and very easily upgradeable. Something that the 360 doesn't have. You have to buy MS's 120GB HDD which gives them the ability to charge whatever they like for it and I can guarantee it will be a lot more than a 120GB SATA laptop hard drive will cost. And not only that but by upgrading to the 120GB HDD you lose the ability to play Arcade games and DLC offline, you must be signed into XBL to play them which is just stupid.

The upgradeable HDD is one of the few advantages the PS3 has over the 360.

As for games not being resold I wasn't aware of this. Are they locked to the console or something? In which case how do PS3 game rentals work?

[Jdm]

Originally Posted by Minty

Cheers for the responses

And anyone that wants to use the logo feel free lol

I claim that Wii60 logo! I will use it in my sig right now! Thanks for the freebie, Minty! I owe you one pal! Cheers!

[David and Jared]

Great article Minty, I believe wii60 is the way to go.

[DFILL450]

wii60 all the way thats wat im rockin rite now...even tho i play my 360 way more than wii....if ps3 had achievement points and rumble i think i wud think about buying it

[twelve]

Well rumble is on the way but achievement points is unlikely.

I've been checking out videos for Little Big World and it looks stunning. I think I'm gonna get a PS3 when that comes out.

[Elitequirky]

Having got all 3 machines i can safely say that 360 is the better. PS3 Lacks a little something i can't put my finger on. Maybe it's the fact that most HDTV's don't play in 1080p only 1080i. You need a top of the range HDTV costing over £700.

So that's graphics out then??????

Also the Wii rocks. It's like the old days when you used to get you mates round to kick ass on Lotus Esprit challenge on the amiga but now when you lose you can whack them with the remote. I have never laughed so hard playing a console.

Anyway Fair points to minty and an awesomely written piece mate.

[machII]

Originally Posted by twelve

PS3 has a very removeable HDD and very easily upgradeable. Something that the 360 doesn't have. You have to buy MS's 120GB HDD which gives them the ability to charge whatever they like for it and I can guarantee it will be a lot more than a 120GB SATA laptop hard drive will cost. And not only that but by upgrading to the 120GB HDD you lose the ability to play Arcade games and DLC offline, you must be signed into XBL to play them which is just stupid.

The upgradeable HDD is one of the few advantages the PS3 has over the 360.

As for games not being resold I wasn't aware of this. Are they locked to the console or something? In which case how do PS3 game rentals work?

Game rentals work as i rented ridge racer 7 and the HDD is much more powerful than the 360's...

Originally Posted by zebatov

I agree with most things he's said here... I'd like to add that the PS3 also doesn't have a removable HD and you can't resell games.

Wrong answer!! i've rented and bought a couple of ps3 games and sent back and sold motorstorm..If you download a game from the PSN such as "blast factor" or "Gripshift" you can't refund them and neither can you refund games you bought from the xbox live arcade....

[Cloak]

I had All 3 Systems at one Point I love my 360 one of the best systems and controllers i ever had/played the Ps3 has potential but Sony keeps shooting itself in the foot by losing exclusives and the steep Price tag



The Wii honestly is a gimmicky piece of shit. It's Got limited appeal all games will eventually play and do the same gimmicky cheesy thhings and it WILL be just like the gamecube but after this Nintendo will be just a game developer.

[Motenai]

I definately think Sony's got it all wrong with the european launch of PS3. Since I am spanish, retail cost of the console (only the 60Gb model available here) is 600€. Sorry I can't convert to english pounds... but hey guys, did u ever think about changing into euro? :-P

The fact is that I thought that's really too much for a console; and I am one of them who bought (well, actually my wife did xD) the Xbox and PS2 at 450 €... So since a friend travels often to Hong Kong I asked him if he could bring me the console from there. It cost me 370 € (so 230 € LESS); the only drawback are not the games (right now, all of them are region free) but the Blu-Ray region since is locked to "A" (Japan, China, North America & Canada). So I cannot buy any movie here until there is a freeloader or something like that. But it's ok, I usually buy at dvdboxoffice.com , and films there come both in english AND spanish, region A. Last week I ordered Reservoir Dogs, which BTW was out of catalogue here.

So I have my PS3 now, connected through HDMI... but no games. Honestly, there's no single game I feel atracted to right now, so I consider it some kind of early investment that I've done and gives me the chance to review PS3 games as well (I write for a videogames magazine as well).

I mostly play with my Xbox 360, but now is on vacation in Germany due to the TRLoD. So I exchanged my Wii (shut down until I finished Zelda weeks ago) with the 360 of a friend o' mine to keep playing (and reviewing) games, currently Command & Conquer 3.

Wii is, today and IMHO, too much of a casual console to play with. It lacks the solid catalogue Xbox is gathering that would keep me in front of TV for... too long at night xD Hope this changes within the next few months but in 3 days i was already missing my 360 and it's been 3 weeks now without my Wii and I don't care that much...

Motenai

[highpass]

I'm surprised to see all the Wii bashing here (do you have no soul?!), but each to their own I guess. My brother picked one up last week, and i've not had so much offline multiplayer fun since the days of Halo 1. Not tried anything bar Wii Sports & Play, but Billiards, Baseball (damn that's hard), Tennis etc etc are hours of fun. Even merely using the GUI is a joy :/

Originally Posted by Motenai

Sorry I can't convert to english pounds... but hey guys, did u ever think about changing into euro? :-P

Convert to an inferior currency? Never! Indeed your PS3's a worthy investment, the games will come eventually... fear not.

[dchispirtle]

I had a Wii for a while before selling it to help pay for a laptop. I didn't sell it because I didn't like the system. In fact, I rather enjoyed playing Wii Sports, Zelda, and WarioWare Smooth Moves.

I played Trauma Center for a while and had good fun with it, as well as Red Steel. The learning curve on both those games is kind of steep, but you can get used to it.

I fully plan to buy a Wii again whenever I get more money to spend on stuff like that. Hopefully by that time the third party games for the system will be worthwhile instead of ports from other systems with motion controls tacked on haphazardly.


As for the PS3, there has not been a reason to convince me into buying one at this time....Resistance: FoM is just not enough right now.

[twelve]

Originally Posted by goblue1590

i'm pretty sure there either redoing the PS3 or cancelling it

Redoing as in shrinking? like the PS2 > Slimline. Very likely but not anytime soon.

As for cancelling that would be financial suicide for Sony. Only reason they would do that is if they have gone completely bankrupt. The PlayStation brand name is Sony's moneymaker, without they will be nothing. If they cancel it now after investing so much time and money into it they might as well start giving away Vaio's with Happy Meals.

Anyway whenever you make a bold post like that it's always good to back it up with a source. Because both of the things you said sound like BS to me.

[jackanape]

The PS3 is too expensive for the casual gamer and the fact there are no top notch games available at the moment means its not really drawing in the masses. The reason the PS2 did so well was because it was cheap enough for anyone to afford and had a big catalogue of games to appeal to everyone, whereas the PS3 seems aimed predominantly at techno freaks who HAVE to own the latest kit. The games at the moment do not justify the price by any stretch of the imagination.

The Wii appeals a lot more and its successful as people see it as the ideal social gaming machine. It can truly appeal to any age and its easy to see why it luring in people who didn't give two figs about games previously. However, you have to question how much software they will shift. As people are buying the hardware and are always ready to whip it out when friends are round but how many of these families will buy a lot of games - they'll have one or two max and most will probably stick with Sports and Play for ages.

Even solo games like Zelda, while a great novelty at the start, will lose their shine as the whole appeal is with the new control system. What will the next Zelda offer? As by then the controls will no longer have the originality appeal to them.

Just can't see the Wii offering the long term pull that other consoles do and I think the PS3 needs to set its sights a bit lower. Can't believe Sony are trying to use it to win the next DVD war by forcing Blu Ray on everyone.

[twelve]

Originally Posted by jackanape

The PS3 is too expensive for the casual gamer and the fact there are no top notch games available at the moment means its not really drawing in the masses. The reason the PS2 did so well was because it was cheap enough for anyone to afford and had a big catalogue of games to appeal to everyone, whereas the PS3 seems aimed predominantly at techno freaks who HAVE to own the latest kit. The games at the moment do not justify the price by any stretch of the imagination.

The PS2 had LESS games at launch than the PS3.

In reality the PS2 and PS3 launches have been very similar. The only reason Sony are getting any bad press is the price. The console itself is very well made and very well prepared for an uphill battle, and despite not selling 100 billion consoles a day it has been a very successful launch.

The PS3 may not be flying off of store shelves as quick as the wii but they are selling pretty steadily, and that's all Sony needs. A steady fanbase that's growing in size.

[highpass]

Originally Posted by twelve

The console itself is very well made and very well prepared for an uphill battle

...With the exception of the GPU, which, lets face it, appears to be (on paper at least) very much a case of last generation tech, bar the RAM speed... It's very G70-ish. It'll still do amazing things, the point is that sadly it doesn't reflect the rest of the units leap in technology. Anyway, nitpicking aside, you're spot on.

[jackanape]

Originally Posted by twelve

The PS2 had LESS games at launch than the PS3.

In reality the PS2 and PS3 launches have been very similar. The only reason Sony are getting any bad press is the price. The console itself is very well made and very well prepared for an uphill battle, and despite not selling 100 billion consoles a day it has been a very successful launch.

The PS3 may not be flying off of store shelves as quick as the wii but they are selling pretty steadily, and that's all Sony needs. A steady fanbase that's growing in size.

I know the launches were similar, what I meant to say was that over time the PS2 developed a massive catalogue of games for all ages and that, coupled with a low price point, made it a winner. I just can't see the PS3 following a similar pattern.

The PS3 seems to have been aimed at a more adult gamer audience and , for the moment at least, only appeals to people who already own every other console or are die hard Sony fans. I even know some people who own a PS3 exclusively as a Blu-ray player which is great for Sony I'm sure but not so good for games production and sales.

It's a good console but, for me at least, is a Blu-ray player that plays games on the side. There simply aren't enough games that would make me want a PS3. Not to mention that most of the games that do appeal to me will be available on 360. The only real loss for me is Final Fantasy.......gutted.

[twelve]

I'll get a PS3 eventually but like you I see no reason for anyone to get one yet. Blu-Ray means nothing to me. I've compared HD-DVD and Blu-Ray first hand and HD-DVD wins hands down for quality and price. Only good thing about the Blu-Ray drive is that games wont ever need to be multiple discs or need as much compression (less compression means less loading screens).

So long as games come out on 360 and PS3 tho then devs wont be taking advantage of the extra capacity that Bluray offers. If they have to compress games for 360 then they may as well keep it the same for PS3, rather than make a game using blurays capacity and then have to shrink it down/compress it for 360 (less work to make it the same on both).

Down the line tho I'll be getting a PS3. There will of course be games that the 360 wont get. People look at the exclusives for existing IP (Final Fantasy, MGS, Halo, GTA), most people ignore the fact that there is new IP coming out as exclusives, such as Crackdown on 360, that came out of nowhere. PS3 is getting Little Big World later in the year and that looks amazing. Once that is out I will seriously consider getting a PS3.

Who knows what new IP might spring up for any console. Nintendo will always have Mario, Zelda, Pokemon etc (and will exploit them to their fullest). MS will have Halo and anything by Rare. Sony will always have something up there sleeve (none of their exclusives are tied to them particularly tho). For now I'm happy with the wii60 combo and will be for some time.

[Tiamat66]

The PS3 is just not worth the price on any level. They have one exclusive game thats good (Motor Storm.) They have Metal Gear? Who cares, we have Splinter Cell. I have heard of a ton of games that were suppossed to be PS3 exclusives, are now not (FFXIII.)

I think the big winner is the Wii. Since the 360 and PS3 are fighting each other, they're overlooking the Wii. If you look, alot of games that one of the systems get, that the other doesn't, the Wii gets as well. As for people saying that Sony is going to lose out with the PS3, that isn't going to happen. There will always be plenty of people who will blow a ton of extra money on a system that is sub-par, just to say they have it.

[twelve]

PS3 has two major exclusive that I'm dying to play. And neither of them are motorstorm.

F1 2007
Ridge Racer 7

Also when was FF13 confirmed to no longer be exclusive? It was all rumours when I last heard about it.

I don't agree with the wii being the big winner. Sure it's selling by the truckload now but will it have the staying power? Or will it just be another Gamecube?

[Nedyahwerd]

Yes very good read.

I don't have a PS 3 as of yet but I think if Star Wars comes out on Blu Ray then most likely I'll get a PS 3 for my player.

[Me™]

Wii60 for life

[InSoMnIaC_190]

I have all three and I rarely use my PS3 or the Wii. It is not that bad or anything but damnit I need some games on them lol. I keep renting games on 360 just for the achievements.

On PS3 I have :

Spider-Man 3 (very very bad for $60 , decent once you get the black suit though)

Resistance Fall Of Man (good game but once you beat it there is not much else to do.)

"Riiiiiiiiiiidge Racceeer!"( Enter Ken voice here from that press conference)

And for the Wii I have :

Zelda ( obviously a good game )

Red Steel ( I don't even want to talk about it , embarrassing lol.)

I hope Sony can step it up next year but after having PS3 a year by that time will really make me think twice about even keeping it.

To me it seems like a sinking ship everyone is jumping overboard to come to a more stable place. ( In terms of once exclusive games/developers. )

[Legends xExilex]

PS3 will get better when they can get a couple games out on the market.

But when it comes to online play

Xbox360 vs PS3 = Xbox 360 hands down no competition

[AikenDrum62]

Great article mate,
I have all 3 and have had Wii and PS3 since launch I have to say all 3 machines will have their place but Sony need to get good next gen games on the market quickly or they will fall to far behind.
The Wii just should not be classed with the other 2 as it is aimed at a different market. It is a fresh angle on gaming and the ideas it has brought will be here to stay at least.
Having said that it is the 360 that still comes out on top for me and if I had to choose a game that could be played over any system I would get it on 360 and the sole reason is the achievements as the difference in gameplay is normally minimal

[brutalityZ3r0]

xbox 360 is way better

[machII]

Originally Posted by brutalityZ3r0

xbox 360 is way better

In your opinion, but the debate is about the Wii60 (wii and 360) versus the Ps3.... summarized quickly, its a war of which company sells the most units of their machine..

[ThrillKillBill]

i love my 360 and i'm getting addicted to achievements fast. i've actually had my Wii longer and though its alot of fun i find it don't keep my interest alive for long playing sessions unless i take it to a party and alot of us are taking turns. Which means its a party machine. As for the PS3, well i have limited experience on it. I play ever demo at ebgames but with the console price i just can't afford one yet and therefore it gets a default boorum until a justifiable price is applied to it. Sure the graphics look good but you just can't get a real feel for a console by playing demo machines

[TheTrueDanteSparda]

tr00story. Well written too.

I used to slag off the original xbox something stupid when I had a PS2, But as I started to read and hear about the PS3, I leaned closer and closer towards the x360, and then when I found out a load of my workmates all played on live and I heard how excellent the online was, I jumped straight on the bandwagon so to speak and i'd never turn back.

I just wish the Wii had some decent games recently, the last game I bought was RE:4, since then they've either not interested me or been too childish/naff.

I wonder if developers are finding it hard to develop new ideas with the Wiimote now?

[Andrew x360a]

For me, there's just no way to justify the cost of a PS3 with the library of games that they have right now. The best games -- COD4, Assassin's Creed, GTA: IV -- are also available on the 360 and it looks like that's going to be the case for a while still -- they aren't getting Ninja Gaiden 2 or Too Human. Metal Gear Solid might convince me to drop the several hundred dollars, but until Sony can scrounge up some really sweet exclusives like God of War or the like, I just can't spend that kind of money.
For all of Microsoft's mistakes with the 360, they've done a rather amazing job making sure that their system isn't getting shut out of the good games. They broke Sony's hold on Grand Theft Auto (even got some exclusive content for the 360) and they've gotten some great 360-only titles -- Ninja Gaiden 2, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Too Human. Someday, I'm sure I'll buy a PS3, but not in the foreseeable future.