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osea101
10-19-2008, 10:55 PM
Great game overall, definitely a 9/10.
However some sequences were annoying because they slow the tempo down and I feel like i'm doing a chore or figuring out a complex equation and not playing a god damn video game
1. Shooting the asteroids - took me several tries and my hands got tired
2. Leviathan - Trying to use tele to throw back the bombs when they blow up in your face.
3. Releasing the S.O.S on the asteroid - I had no idea what to do here and the blue marker was of no help. It keep pointing to the asteroid so I jumped on it and got sliced about 10 times.
4. The invulnerable monster in the medical bay - I didn't know I should wait for the bitch to release the door look so I was just shooting away at that thing. It keeps regenerating and it wasn't really clear that you should try and wait it out.
So my biggest beef with the game is that the objectives are not always clear but the blue marker/compass is usually helpful - usually.
Facial La Fleur
10-19-2008, 11:16 PM
4. The invulnerable monster in the medical bay - I didn't know I should wait for the bitch to release the door look so I was just shooting away at that thing. It keeps regenerating and it wasn't really clear that you should try and wait it out.
I loved how you had to come up clever ways of disposing of that juggernaut bitch like in the Cryo Lab and in the Shuttle Bay (won't give specifics, everyone who's done it knows what I mean).
You must be a straight up FPS fan if you don't appreciate the puzzle elements of the game. It sounds like you just wanna run and gun and have no actual thought behind how you play the game other than pull the trigger. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing you don't like games like Zelda or Tomb Raider?
Dead Space is a collection of ideas from tons of other great games and it works well in almost every setting (except that damn asteroid mission lol) and I don't think I'd change anything about it myself. 9.5 of 10 for me.
osea101
10-19-2008, 11:35 PM
I am an RPG fan actually but you're right I don't enjoy Tomb Raider or Zelda. I did enjoy Resident Evil alot and that series packed some puzzles. The thing is with the asteroid mission it said "destroy gravity" something. How the hell do I know what a gravity blabla is? That thing that generated the blue light could have been anything.
I also didn't mind the ingenuous ways of destroying the unkillable zombies. It's just that the first time I encountered one it wasn't really clear what to do. I don't think the game gave you a background story or even a warning about the the invulnerability of those zombies unless I missed it. At least in RE Nemesis you knew he would come back to life.
I guess I like pussy games, the ones that lets you think that because you survived every encounter with minimal hp you must be good. I have a gamer ego.
IK IR cube
10-19-2008, 11:36 PM
The game is perfect to me.
I mean, if you want to talk about confusion, Zelda was confusing as a kid but i grew up loving it.
This is the first of (hopefully) the series. They learn and will make it better.
osea101
10-19-2008, 11:39 PM
If it's EA you bet there will be sequels. Lets just look at Red Alert 3. Does it make sense to make the game other than money? No, it's stupid fun and you bet Red Alert 4 will come along soon with space monkeys invading the Soviet Union and creating one big ass galactic banana republic which strongly opposes americanism.
But anyway, this game deserves sequels and there is really not much to improve.
Facial La Fleur
10-20-2008, 01:21 AM
I also didn't mind the ingenuous ways of destroying the unkillable zombies. It's just that the first time I encountered one it wasn't really clear what to do. I don't think the game gave you a background story or even a warning about the the invulnerability of those zombies unless I missed it.
Apparently you did miss it. Once you've taken off its limbs and it starts to regenerate, Kendra tells you it can't be killed and that you need to get the hell out of there.
madcap1
10-20-2008, 01:22 AM
2. Leviathan - Trying to use tele throw back the bombs when they blow up in your face.
Thats is the only thing I agree with that was a pain in the ass its not that bad if you have your Kinesis maxed out.
@Facial La Fleur that sig is WAY to big lol
Facial La Fleur
10-20-2008, 01:27 AM
@Facial La Fleur that sig is WAY to big lol
It's only slightly bigger than your whole sig setup. Plus way smaller file size. LoL
If you'd like to make me a new one I'm down for it cuz I suck at photshop.
Steelhead
10-20-2008, 01:38 AM
3. Releasing the S.O.S on the asteroid - I had no idea what to do here and the blue marker was of no help. It keep pointing to the asteroid so I jumped on it and got sliced about 10 times.
I'm stuck there right now. I stasis the wheel thing (inside) and disable it..the game says "sub objective complete", then I jump to the asteroid and run around it to the outside where I find another wheel, so I do the same thing...stasis>disable. But that's where it ends...I'm not sure what my next goal is supposed to be. :confused:
Any tips? :)
Facial La Fleur
10-20-2008, 01:43 AM
there are four gravity beams total. On the inside there is the obvious first one and directly above that on the ceiling of the room is the other. Next you'll need to head outside of the asteroid and place the beacon down and the destroy the two gravity beams to the left and right of the asteroid. Then head back inside and up to the control room.
Steelhead
10-20-2008, 01:44 AM
there are four gravity beams total. On the inside there is the obvious first one and directly above that on the ceiling of the room is the other. Next you'll need to head outside of the asteroid and place the beacon down and the destroy the two gravity beams to the left and right of the asteroid. Then head back inside and up to the control room.
Ah, I was missing more than I thought. Thanks for the help!
Tai_MT
10-20-2008, 01:47 AM
1. Shooting the asteroids - took me several tries and my hands got tired
That is why there is an Achievement for doing it. That is, doing it without your integrity dropping below 50%. It's an Achievement. Achievements aren't always made to be easy. They are made to be COMPLETED, just perhaps not all that easily. It takes some skill and a good set-up to do this. Most everyone had problems with this the first time through, and some even continue to have problems with it. I don't really see it as a drawback to the game. I see it as necessary challenge. You know, like facing Ridley in Super Metroid. The challenge is there because the game barely challenges you at all. Unless, of course, you're playing on something other than easy. Also, complaining that your hands got tired is kind of whiny and stupid. There is a PAUSE button. I suggest you use it. Take a break if it is REALLY so difficult to fire your guns so much. Worst. Excuse. Ever.
2. Leviathan - Trying to use tele to throw back the bombs when they blow up in your face.
The only reason you'd be doing THIS is if you're going for the Achievement. Honestly though, much easier to do this against a Brute, and it also means you can get the Achievement a lot quicker.
However, you ALSO forgot about a power you have. You know, STASIS! Stasis the flying object. Then use Kinesis on it. Then pull the firing trigger. Achievement unlocked!
But, if you're not trying to get the Achievement... Then you're just dumb. I hate to say it, but you are. Just shoot the stupid balls right as it spits them. Just keep firing at the mouth and it goes down.
3. Releasing the S.O.S on the asteroid - I had no idea what to do here and the blue marker was of no help. It keep pointing to the asteroid so I jumped on it and got sliced about 10 times.
This is a puzzle in the game. If you played Resident Evil... wait... their puzzles are lame, these puzzles aren't. These puzzles actually require you to TRULY THINK about your actions or you die. Puzzles in Resident Evil don't really require you to do that so often. They are more like "put all these colors in the right order!". Boring, yawn, ghey. Also, such puzzles break the IMMERSION of the games.
I solved the puzzle by looking at the diagram against the wall UNDER the asteroid. It shows two of the gravity controllers inside the ship and the other two outside the ship. I looked around and couldn't find a way outside. So I looked at the way the Asteroid was sitting and noticed there was enough room to walk around on it and get BEHIND it, outside the ship. I died once trying to accomplish this and then took a smarter approach. Once outside, I completed the destruction of it and planted the beacon outside where I wouldn't get sliced. After that, I was killed trying to get back inside. So, I learned from that mistake and didn't fail it on the next go. In fact, one of the Lurkers died following me inside. If sat down and LOOKED at the puzzle and used some common sense it wasn't so hard at all. You just expected to be able to rush in, beat the puzzle, rush out, and then keep going. No, sometimes, when working with industrial grade equipment in real life, like you do in the game, you can die if you mishandle it or don't know how to use it.
4. The invulnerable monster in the medical bay - I didn't know I should wait for the bitch to release the door look so I was just shooting away at that thing. It keeps regenerating and it wasn't really clear that you should try and wait it out.
One word, STASIS! Seriously, it's easy. Stasis the guy... Shoot off all his limbs... What? He's not dead? All the doors are locked? Maybe this would be a good time for someone to call in and tell you what is- Oh... What's that, Kendra? He's invincible? I can't kill him? He just regenerates? What's that? You've unlocked the door for me? I should run now? GREAT IDEA! Stasis again, then start legging it. Actually, while he's in stasis, you should probably shoot his legs and arms off again. That will probably buy you some time while he tries to regenerate. Oh, and don't forget to run!
You have problems listening in the game, apparantly... Or figuring out how to dismantle enemies and use your latent abilities to buy you time.
I'm sorry, but these aren't legitimate complaints, not by a long shot. If anything, they're very telling about how unskilled you are at video games in general and about your own playstyle...
osea101
10-20-2008, 04:19 AM
Wow dude. That tirade against me and my play style it's like you're one of the devs or something taking it personally. I guess you think this is a perfect game with no frustrations.
Not that I give a shit what you think of my skills but if you read my gamercard you'll see that I have 100 % on Cod4 now that shit is hard. Anyone who gets 1000 gc on Cod4 is pretty damn good.
Also, most people have problems with the asteroid because the objectives there aren't clear enough, it's not just "my bad style"
<3
Facial La Fleur
10-20-2008, 04:27 AM
Anyone who gets 1000 gc on Cod4 is pretty damn good.
This is indeed true. Hell if I can't get to the last checkpoint in 'No Fighting In The War Room' or beat 'Mile High Club' on veteran. And yet I am pretty good in multi-player. What gives, right?
madcap1
10-20-2008, 04:29 AM
@osea101 Dude dont even bother with that guy he does that shit to everyone. I guess he is the only truly skilled gamer here lol but I would take insult at that also questing someone game skill when most people had the same problem. Please do us all a favor Tai_MT and go back to watching Dr who please. All I have to say is I dont like COD4 but I do know it takes mad skill to get 1k on that game so grats bro. Mile High club lets see him do that.
osea101
10-20-2008, 07:12 AM
Thanks madcap. Looks like Thi is the official board asshole. And I thought I was rude to people.
onemoreMike
10-20-2008, 11:05 AM
I have a different opinion about the puzzle aspects of the game. When all of your objectives are laid out for you completely clear and obvious, it takes a lot of the challenge and thought out of the game. Then all you're left with is another linear shooter with a small RPG element. I think the story and variety of puzzles which incorporated the entire environement makes this a great balanced game. My only complaint is that the game is short with little replay value beyond achievement chasing. I look forward to the sequels. I also give it a 9.5/10.
Tai_MT
10-20-2008, 01:07 PM
I have a problem with people being stupid, mostly.
So, when people are so blatantly stupid, I call them out on it. If you dont' like it, then you don't have to read it. Pure and simple. Don't like what I have to say, don't read it.
But honestly, the objectives were always pretty clear to me.
And when they weren't...
All you had to do is go through all the doors you hadn't been through before. And find computers to activate that you hadn't activated before. It just takes a bit of common sense to figure out what you're supposed to do and where you're supposed to go.
But honestly, you don't have a legitimate complaint there...
You want some legitimate complaints?
1. You cannot restart the game on a higher difficulty with all your earned stuff. Nope, gotta start from scratch and this can make subsequent playthroughs pretty difficult.
2. Enemies can be pretty cheap, dropping in on top of your head without warning, without music or use of the "fear emitters". Just BAM! And they're on top of you while you didn't have much of a chance.
3. Hit detection at times is pretty poor. Sometimes even during the ADS Cannon places. But, what I mean is you can shoot an enemy that would take one shot to dismember and it walks away not dismembered. And then there are times where a single shot somehow takes off both arms when it only hit the one arm. And sometimes hit detection on your own character is pretty poor.
4. The grav panels can be somewhat cheap in places. If it looks like you can cut SLIGHTLY across the corner, like you could in real life, without putting anything in the gravity well, you'd be wrong. You die by trying to "cut corners".
As for being the "forum asshole"... I suppose I might seem that way to someone... You know, someone who doesn't listen what-so-ever.
I could honestly say the same thing about each and every person on these forums who was abrasive to me, or complained about my post length. But, I don't. I'm nice.
I'm just trying to tell you that those aren't legitimate complaints and they make you sound and look like a COMPLETE idiot.
You'll notice I even explained them to you so you could be better at the game. Or, perhaps, wouldn't complain as much about it.
As for Call of Duty...
Not a fan. I don't like realistic shooters. Plus, I don't like the whole "World War" feel, where it started. And I've seen the multiplayer aspect of the game... It's actually pretty noob-friendly... So... I never bothered to pick the game up and probably won't.
If it's hard, then congrats on getting 1000 in it. But having never played it and never wanting to play it... This feat means nothing to me.
lingenfelser
10-20-2008, 04:08 PM
I have a problem with people being stupid, mostly.
So, when people are so blatantly stupid, I call them out on it. If you dont' like it, then you don't have to read it. Pure and simple. Don't like what I have to say, don't read it.
But honestly, the objectives were always pretty clear to me.
And when they weren't...
All you had to do is go through all the doors you hadn't been through before. And find computers to activate that you hadn't activated before. It just takes a bit of common sense to figure out what you're supposed to do and where you're supposed to go.
But honestly, you don't have a legitimate complaint there...
You want some legitimate complaints?
1. You cannot restart the game on a higher difficulty with all your earned stuff. Nope, gotta start from scratch and this can make subsequent playthroughs pretty difficult.
2. Enemies can be pretty cheap, dropping in on top of your head without warning, without music or use of the "fear emitters". Just BAM! And they're on top of you while you didn't have much of a chance.
3. Hit detection at times is pretty poor. Sometimes even during the ADS Cannon places. But, what I mean is you can shoot an enemy that would take one shot to dismember and it walks away not dismembered. And then there are times where a single shot somehow takes off both arms when it only hit the one arm. And sometimes hit detection on your own character is pretty poor.
4. The grav panels can be somewhat cheap in places. If it looks like you can cut SLIGHTLY across the corner, like you could in real life, without putting anything in the gravity well, you'd be wrong. You die by trying to "cut corners".
As for being the "forum asshole"... I suppose I might seem that way to someone... You know, someone who doesn't listen what-so-ever.
I could honestly say the same thing about each and every person on these forums who was abrasive to me, or complained about my post length. But, I don't. I'm nice.
I'm just trying to tell you that those aren't legitimate complaints and they make you sound and look like a COMPLETE idiot.
You'll notice I even explained them to you so you could be better at the game. Or, perhaps, wouldn't complain as much about it.
As for Call of Duty...
Not a fan. I don't like realistic shooters. Plus, I don't like the whole "World War" feel, where it started. And I've seen the multiplayer aspect of the game... It's actually pretty noob-friendly... So... I never bothered to pick the game up and probably won't.
If it's hard, then congrats on getting 1000 in it. But having never played it and never wanting to play it... This feat means nothing to me.
Tai_MT,
Is it REALLY necessary to refer to someone as 'a COMPLETE idiot' because they have grievances with a game you don't agree with?
He wasn't alone in his statements! It's his own opinion and if you can't disagree objectively, do us all a favor and don't post.
Seriously dude, get a god damned life.
As they say 'opinions are like assholes, everyone has one'.
And you Mai_Ti are an asshole.
madcap1
10-20-2008, 04:09 PM
Thanks madcap. Looks like Thi is the official board asshole. And I thought I was rude to people.
Maybe if we just ignore him he will go back to watching Dr. Who lol
Tai_MT,
Is it REALLY necessary to refer to someone as 'a COMPLETE idiot' because they have grievances with a game you don't agree with?
He wasn't alone in his statements! It's his own opinion and if you can't disagree objectively, do us all a favor and don't post.
Seriously dude, get a god damned life.
As they say 'opinions are like assholes, everyone has one'.
And you Mai_Ti are an asshole.
Nicely put my friend this guy is a jack ass lol
osea101
10-20-2008, 05:26 PM
Thi,
You're the dumbass who wrote that Isaac got killed in the end when it's obvious he was just attacked and not killed. Jumping to that conclusion is pretty moronic if you ask me considering she is obviously just another hallucination. But see it's all pretty relative when it comes to games. I could let you have your opinion that he got killed and that you didn't like the ending which I actually enjoyed. OR, I can be an asshole like you about it and correct you in the rudest way possible.
If you think the MP in Cod4 is noob-friendly try playing the campaign on veteran. It'll kick your ass.
Lastly, I stand by my criticism because I want the gameplay to flow like a movie almost. I don't want to get stuck on repetitive elements in an artistic and beautiful game like this. I want it to flow nicely with just a few deaths here and there for the AVERAGE player.
lingenfelser
10-20-2008, 05:31 PM
Thi,
If you think the MP in Cod4 is noob-friendly try playing the campaign on veteran. It'll kick your ass.
I hear you osea101!
'No Fighting in the War Room' and 'Mile High Club' on Veteran were absolutely friggin' brutal to accomplish. But, proud to say I persevered to 1,000 as well.
Tai_MT
10-20-2008, 05:50 PM
And that's exactly what people do when they can't defend their own opinions or points of view.
Resort to name-calling...
I guess if it makes you feel like a bigger person, or somehow makes you feel like your points are validated because you can call someone a childish name without even trying to argue that your complaints ARE legitimate...
Which is, quite funny, to say the least. Instead of defending your point of view, you go right to the second-grader response and say, "you're a doo doo head!".
I'm sorry, but trying to discredit the person does not discredit the persons' ideas. Unless, of course, you are some kind of idiot with no experience in the real world what-so-ever.
And... I'd also like to point out a few other things...
Yes, some people need to be called idiots because calling them "special" doesn't cut it. Also, you can't call them "ignorant" because they DID know the things, the game threw you the information you needed as if you were a six year old without deductive reasoning. You can be called nothing else BUT stupid.
But... Perhaps you can enlighten me... Instead of calling you stupid or an idiot, what word would better suit you? Tell me, I'd love to know.
Besides that, I believe in the "you learn by consequences" type of philosophy. As in... Telling a child the stove is hot doesn't quite get the point across. The child will reach up and try to touch the stove anyway, out of some insane and idiotic curiousity. Some parents would stop the child and say "no!". But I don't believe this solves the problem well. Let the kid learn things the same way I did, through experience. Once the kid touches the stove and realizes you weren't lying, you can go about patching up the wound (if you were quick enough, it amounts to no more than a first degree burn) and taking them to the hospital. This also tells the kid that when you say something is dangerous, it's dangerous. It helps instill trust and common sense.
How else would you guys learn if you WEREN'T called stupid every so often? I guarantee you that at least ONE of your friends has called you stupid in the last two days. And you don't regard them as "assholes". In fact, you probably still hang out with them. I also guarantee that one or both of your parents have called you stupid at some point in your life.
So please, get over yourself and acting all butt-hurt over being called out about being stupid.
I've been called stupid. I've been called FAR WORSE things than stupid. In real life and on a forum. I don't go whine about it. I don't cry. I just let it roll off my back and learn what exactly I did to merit the insult. And, if I find I deserved the insult, I learn to curb my behavior. But, when I find I didn't deserve it, I laugh at the people who think I deserved it, as well as laugh at their vain attempts to make me feel bad.
Also...
I did disagree objectively. I even stated reasons why what he was stating were false or made him seem extremely stupid, even if he wasn't. I even offered him ALTERNATIVE STRATEGIES to help him play the game better. Since, you know, he was having problems with it. Things like, use stasis (which he hasn't been doing), or listen to what the people tell you to do and where to go, or even practice at points. I then countered with legitimate complaints about which no amount of real skill can help you and is somewhat left up to chance.
Also, I do NOT, I repeat DO NOT refer to someone as a 'complete idiot' because they disagree with me. Disagree with me all you like. Tell me you love Gears of War and it's the greatest game ever made. I'll disagree with you until the end of time, but never call you an idiot. Everyone has their own tastes, after all.
I will, however, refer to someone as a complete idiot when they are being a complete idiot.
I call it like I see it. I point out the elephant in the room when I see it and don't ignore it. I'm the kid who tells you that the emperor is naked while all you idiots don't want to offend the king and tell him his new Wardrobe isn't real.
The world is a harsh and cruel place, and what I've said to you isn't even close to how it really is. If you don't grow a pair now, you better start learning how to soon.
And as for childish things about getting my name mixed up... I guess I'll just chalk it up to your inability to spell or use puctuation or even capitalize properly. You know, inability to retain information you learn in the second grade, or fourth grade at the latest... If you meant it as a general insult... I could assume you take it that mispelling or saying someone's name is an insult. Probably because people do it to you and you get all upset about it. People haven't been able to spell my real name since the day I was born. People haven't even been able to pronounce it correctly most of the time. I don't get upset by it.
As for bashing me for enjoying Doctor Who... I don't understand why you bash me about it. I guess it's just another childish impulse to try to make me angry or something. Most everyone I know doesn't even know what Doctor Who is. Couldn't recognize it if I showed it to them with the name on it. But, you do. So, you've watched it too. Which means, you can't bash me about it without bashing yourself about it... But, I digress... I haven't bashed you on anything you enjoy. Haven't made fun of your interests...
So the real question becomes this:
Who's the real jerk? The guy with legitimate complaints who has called you, AT WORST, a "complete idiot", or the guys resorting to name-calling, general bashing, flaming, and then winking to each other as if they've accomplished some kind of grand feat that makes them Gods amongst men?
I'd have to say that in the land of REAL LIFE... You guys would be considered the jerks, and not me. At most, I'd be considered "that guy who is always negative". And honestly, that's what I am considered in real life ~_^
One more thing... Why get butt-hurt over something some random internet guy said to you? Or is there some nagging feeling your skull saying that perhaps I'm right? And it doesn't go away no matter how you try to bat it away with weak excuses? Oh yes, that's right, my sig applies to you and your blatant flames ;) Ciao.
madcap1
10-20-2008, 06:03 PM
^^Please no one respond to this complete moron, Maybe he will just go away seeing how he is really not welcomed. So please do not feed this idiotic troll anymore. Lets get back to the game talk shall we.
lingenfelser
10-20-2008, 06:36 PM
Fine Tai_MT I'll play your little game...
[QUOTE=Tai_MT;1243848]I have a problem with people being stupid, mostly.
But honestly, you don't have a legitimate complaint there...
You want some legitimate complaints?
1. You cannot restart the game on a higher difficulty with all your earned stuff. Nope, gotta start from scratch and this can make subsequent playthroughs pretty difficult.
This is an opinion shared by many, however not ALL.
My brother and friend and several others I've read on the Forums have NO issue with this whatsoever.
I tend to agree with you on this one.
But, from the Developer's point of view it makes Impossible Mode that much harder to complete by having to start clean.
2. Enemies can be pretty cheap, dropping in on top of your head without warning, without music or use of the "fear emitters". Just BAM! And they're on top of you while you didn't have much of a chance.
You call this a legitimate complaint? You're playing a Survival Horror game and you want a cheat to let you know when you going to be attacked or blindsided every time?! So much for immersion. Oh right, I forgot "fear emitters" and music cues are used in real life as well.
3. Hit detection at times is pretty poor. Sometimes even during the ADS Cannon places. But, what I mean is you can shoot an enemy that would take one shot to dismember and it walks away not dismembered. And then there are times where a single shot somehow takes off both arms when it only hit the one arm. And sometimes hit detection on your own character is pretty poor.
I haven't had a real issue with this. I've felt the hits and hit detection are just as accurate or more so than any other similar type of game. I only see this as a real problem when you are in scripted areas where multiple Necomorphs drop in and surround you, especially if they stack up.
4. The grav panels can be somewhat cheap in places. If it looks like you can cut SLIGHTLY across the corner, like you could in real life, without putting anything in the gravity well, you'd be wrong. You die by trying to "cut corners".
I've never come across this problem. I've yet to die by the grav panels.
I even risked walking and standing next one in Chapter 9 to access a storage case.
You ripped on osea101's gaming skills in your retort but this complaint and No. 3 speak to your inadequacies as a gamer.
As you can see your so referred legitimate complaints can be as easily rebuked as you did osea101's.
Please keep in mind your opinion is not GOD and is only that, your opinion.
You fail to realise your crtitcisms, points and complaints are immediatley dismissed by not just him, but all of us, once you referred to him as a COMPLETE idiot.
In my book that is no different to referring to you as an asshole.
Yet I love your constant defense of claiming to be a "nice guy", yet you're the one under fire here from multiple people for your disrespectful behavior.
You're just misunderstood, right?
You have 259 posts yet fail to understand and implement the most basic of forum etiquette?
Oh right, I forgot we're all COMPLETE idiots.
Superfro33
10-20-2008, 07:19 PM
I'd like to thank this thread because if anything, it at least got me familliar with the site's "ignore user" features. :p
The only problem I really had in the game was the asteroid release thingy. I was literally just perplexed and tried a bunch of things. Eventually I figured it out and felt like a dolt for not getting it earlier, but yeah....everyone is entitled to their opinions about the game and any problems they had with it, that's for sure.
Dothis
10-20-2008, 07:40 PM
2. Enemies can be pretty cheap, dropping in on top of your head without warning, without music or use of the "fear emitters". Just BAM! And they're on top of you while you didn't have much of a chance.
This is one of the best aspects of the game. When you have no idea where you are going to get attacked, it keeps you on guard.
lingenfelser
10-20-2008, 07:50 PM
This is one of the best aspects of the game. When you have no idea where you are going to get attacked, it keeps you on guard.
Exactly! Keeps you constantly on edge. As long as it's balanced.
I HATE it when an enemy's presence is telegraphed with music or sound cues.
I also like to round corners and see them in the distance as well, as if they weren't aware of you either.
Facial La Fleur
10-20-2008, 08:48 PM
Exactly! Keeps you constantly on edge. As long as it's balanced.
I HATE it when an enemy's presence is telegraphed with music or sound cues.
I also like to round corners and see them in the distance as well, as if they weren't aware of you either.
Yeah I'm so paranoid all the time that I walk around with my weapon drawn and aimed the whole time and alot of times I'm still barely prepared and on my third run through the game I know when and where things are gonna happen and yet I still get the shit startled out of me. Occasionally the music and sound effects will clue you in but other times the music will get very dramatic when nothing is going happen so you're always looking over your shoulder, afraid you'll be ripped in half from behind.
lingenfelser
10-20-2008, 09:05 PM
Yeah I'm so paranoid all the time that I walk around with my weapon drawn and aimed the whole time and alot of times I'm still barely prepared and on my third run through the game I know when and where things are gonna happen and yet I still get the shit startled out of me. Occasionally the music and sound effects will clue you in but other times the music will get very dramatic when nothing is going happen so you're always looking over your shoulder, afraid you'll be ripped in half from behind.
I do the same thing!
Constantly walking with the LT depressed.
The only time I run is to get distance between myself and the necromorphs so I can turn around and have some breathing room to aim.
Superfro33
10-20-2008, 09:33 PM
Every single one of my elevator rides has been spent with me in the back corner aiming my weapon at the door. :p
Facial La Fleur
10-20-2008, 09:37 PM
Every single one of my elevator rides has been spent with me in the back corner aiming my weapon at the door. :p
What about the two sided elevators? LoL
Tai_MT
10-20-2008, 11:28 PM
Lingen, I honestly have no real dispute with you. So far, you've been the most intelligent person in this thread.
However, I've only ever claimed to be "nice" once.
And the enemies dropping straight in on you becomes a problem on MUCH HIGHER difficulties than "easy".
They're merely a nuisance on any difficulty other than Insanity and are there merely to scare you.
You play on harder difficulties and this becomes "cheap" to an extent.
But... to go back and attempt to retort your post... Since, you know, you're the only one bothering to try to have an intelligent debate/conversation instead of resorting to the little kid mentality of "his words hurt me mommy, I gotta say mean things back so I feel better!".
This is an opinion shared by many, however not ALL.
My brother and friend and several others I've read on the Forums have NO issue with this whatsoever.
I tend to agree with you on this one.
But, from the Developer's point of view it makes Impossible Mode that much harder to complete by having to start clean.
I know that some people will not feel this is a legitimate complaint... Some people prefer this to starting over with all your earned things on a harder difficulty. However, they could've made insanity even harder with you being able to carry things over. Like... five shots from an unupgraded plasma cutter to dismember anything. It wouldn't be too difficult to jack up the difficulty in this fashion if you allow things to be carried over to harder difficulties.
I, myself, have no issue with the way they've done it. Each developer makes their own games the way they want... However, I've heard complaints of this and added it to my list of legitimate reasons to dislike the game, or subsequent playthroughs. One of the main reasons I see it is because a mode you toiled your way to conquer the first time means nothing on a second playthough. You'll just whiz through it without episode or problem. This is one of the reasons I never did "New Game +" with Resident Evil 4. I already knew what to do and where to go, and how to conserve ammo quite handily. What fun would it be to carry everything I'd earned into the same difficulty only to blow through the game in three hours? I guess it could be fun, if you enjoyed extreme overpowering... I'm not a fan of it, but some people probably are.
You call this a legitimate complaint? You're playing a Survival Horror game and you want a cheat to let you know when you going to be attacked or blindsided every time?! So much for immersion. Oh right, I forgot "fear emitters" and music cues are used in real life as well.
Well... Yeah, it is a legitimate complaint... The game goes from using fear emitters a whole bunch to then dropping enemies in randomly at you without so much as a "bang" on the grating above you when they come through. They're just suddenly on top of you and gnawing at your neck. This is more annoying than anything on earlier difficulties... But on the harder ones, it's borderline "BS" material. You know, BS, like things that are deliberately cheap (in Perfect Dark, the example was giving ANY simulant the Devestator and watching their accuracy become 100% instantly. They also did the same thing with the Reaper, which a human player couldn't even bring past 10 percent if they tried) or are cheap due to some small flaw in programming (Halo 2 shotgun in online play anyone? Glitching out of maps in any game? Weapon dupes in any game? Etcetera). And while I commend you on saying that fear emitters are like a cheat in the game... You also have to remember the game designers put them in there to be used in just the fashion I described using them. Using them to scare you. I don't scare easily or much at all, so basically, yes, they are a cheat. As for the comment about real life not having fear emitters at all... Well, that's an indictment of the game programmers. You basically just told them the fear emitters were stupid and shouldn't exist at all. Which, all in all, could be a legitimate complaint, if you're going for realism and immersion. However, the game designers decided to put them in and use them... So... I'm definately going to complain when they're not used that small 5% of the time when they're used 95% of the time, both for no reason, and to signal you're about to be attacked from some random direction. It's a legitimate complaint because of lack of consistancy and general "cheap" feel of it. I understand in real life it may be like Dead Space... But let's face it, this is a video game, not real life. In real life, very few people, if any at all, would be able to hold the gun level at one of those creatures, or even survive the neck eating portions of it like Isaac can. If anything, your health meter ruins the "immersion" factor most in the game.
I haven't had a real issue with this. I've felt the hits and hit detection are just as accurate or more so than any other similar type of game. I only see this as a real problem when you are in scripted areas where multiple Necomorphs drop in and surround you, especially if they stack up.
I'll cite several examples of this for you... I shot one of the creatures with the two legs and the tail that crawl around. I aimed at only the one leg. Fired the shot, the tail came off too. Even if the shot had gone through the leg, it would've hit the deck behind it, and not the tail. This is bad hit detection. Another example is when I CLEARLY hit a pregnant in the stomach and suddenly one of its legs popped off as well as the arm on the same side. My cousin and I were both saying "WTF...???" at that time. I've also shot one of the little pods on the ground that the guys stuck to the wall spit at you. Shot it so that the tentacle would sever... The tentacle didn't sever, instead, it recoiled as if I'd hit the pod itself and not the tentacle, and then shot at me. I've also "dodged" the firing the Lurkers do and yet still had one of the shots hit me, despite it never touching my body. And in a group of ambushing Necromorphs, I've hit them in the chest and had their legs blow off. Mind you this is at extremely close range... Like just before they latch on... But it's still odd and makes no sense whatsoever. I suppose I shouldn't complain about this because it's beneficial to me most of the time... But honestly.... I can't help but to feel like I'm cheating in some way, or exploiting some kind of weird glitch that makes me able to blow off limbs I wasn't aiming at.
Also the hit detection for your stomp is pretty bad... Reviewers glossed over that one, even though they did say it was bad... Sometimes it works like a charm, othertimes you're left wondering why you seemed to miss EVERYTHING underfoot. It's sketchy... Maybe they'll patch it.
I also had ONE time when the ADS cannon wouldn't work correctly against the asteroids. I shot a small asteroid, it flashed. I shot it six more times (both barrels this time instead of one), it flashed each time, and never exploded. It then smashed into the ship and cost me the achievement. I was like, "huh???" However, this only happened the once and I was unable to reproduce the phenomena.
Tai_MT
10-20-2008, 11:28 PM
I've never come across this problem. I've yet to die by the grav panels.
I even risked walking and standing next one in Chapter 9 to access a storage case.
You ripped on osea101's gaming skills in your retort but this complaint and No. 3 speak to your inadequacies as a gamer.
Um... How does the game registering hits I didn't make speak to my inadequacies as a gamer? I suppose I missed something there... Or what you were talking about was lost in the translation... Or, perhaps you thought I was complaining that it made the game harder for me with having poor hit detection. Sorry, I complain even if it gives me an ADVANTAGE in the game that I shouldn't have. I'm not a whiny kid who only complains when things go wrong. I complain when they go right and shouldn't. When I get a glitch that feels like cheating or that it shouldn't have happened at all. As for the complaint of the grav panels... Well, maybe you haven't had the problem... But while trying to dash down the first halls in chapter 4, I attempted to slightly cut corners and wound up on the ceiling a number of times. And yes, I was cutting corners in a fight. My goal was to get to the part of the room with the two panels in the corner where it would be easier to kill things without having to watch behind myself for footing, plus being against the wall would offer extra cover. I also experienced the same problem in the room with the guys hanging off the ceiling and the two super slashers doing whatever it was they were doing with them. While trying to access a part of the area I wasn't supposed to be in (which I didn't know, until I died) I cut a slight corner between a wall and a grav panel. It sent me into the ceiling and I died. After that, I figured I wasn't supposed to be able to go up that small ramp and didn't do it again.
This could probably be chalked up to human error instead of a legitimate complaint... But I feel it has something to do with "hit detection" instead of mere player complication. After a few deaths by grav panel, it didn't take me long to figure out where the "kill zone" on them was and just how much of my body could stick in them... But honestly, I feel this could be more clearly defined than it is in the game. However, it doesn't break the game for me in the least.
As you can see your so referred legitimate complaints can be as easily rebuked as you did osea101's.
Please keep in mind your opinion is not GOD and is only that, your opinion.
You fail to realise your crtitcisms, points and complaints are immediatley dismissed by not just him, but all of us, once you referred to him as a COMPLETE idiot.
In my book that is no different to referring to you as an asshole.
Yet I love your constant defense of claiming to be a "nice guy", yet you're the one under fire here from multiple people for your disrespectful behavior.
You're just misunderstood, right?
You have 259 posts yet fail to understand and implement the most basic of forum etiquette?
Oh right, I forgot we're all COMPLETE idiots.
I never once said my opinion was God. Nor did I imply it anywhere. I even asked you guys to rebuke it, and it took ONE of you this long to do it. I said to lay off the flaming and try to prove where I was wrong on what I'd said. People have still yet to do it... Because, quite honestly... his "legitimate reasons" were his lack of listening ability, lack of ability to use stasis (or will to use it, even when presented a boss battle), hating an area because of "fingers getting tired" while doing it. Or, just generally saying it's lacking because he couldn't figure a puzzle within the first two minutes of looking at it. Yes, when you first encounter the asteroid puzzle you get killed a few times figuring it out. That's part of the experience. If it wasn't meant to be easy, the blades wouldn't be on it at all. It's not a simple puzzle like most games throw at you where you match numbers or diagrams or colors or whatever else... This one requires you to do a little placed destruction and some spacial thinking in order to accomplish the task. Some people had more problems with this than others... I count myself fortunate for having so little difficulty with it... But, I don't count people STUPID for not being able to get it right away, or even on their twentieth death. It's not that you died on it that makes you stupid. It's that you complained about dying on it or that "the objective wasn't clear" that makes it stupid. You can plant the beacon on it anywhere you like. And in fact, the game tells you that you can. But, it also tells you that you have to destroy the gravity tethers too. Kendra tells you there are four of them, and you can only see two inside... I dunno, I just thought simple deduction or trial and error would've helped there. Something where you go, "wow, that was so simple, now I feel dumb for not having got it right away!".
As for dismissing all my points and such just for calling him a complete idiot... Well... can't say I blame you for that... But at the same time, you can't help but see, from an objective standpoint, how childish and idiotic that sounds. "you called me dumb, so everything you say is invalidated!". I could simply retort that the world is round and due to your own logic, you'd have to try to tell me with the straight face that the earth is flat. Or, I could tell you that water is made up of two Hydrogen molecules and one Oxygen molecule, and you'd have to tell me that it wasn't. Also, if I were to call him a complete idiot and then agree with him, you'd then have to say HIS point was invalidated as well, and his criticisms and complaints. You'd be forced to take the "mean guy" position simply because of your own idiotic logic.
But, I have to digress...
I never CALLED HIM a complete idiot. Not once. If you read my posts... I never referred to him as stupid. I simply said if he were doing CERTAIN THINGS in the game, he WAS stupid. I also said that his "complaints" made him LOOK and SOUND like a complete idiot. Never said, "you are a complete idiot for having these views and complaints".
If anything, calling them "legitimate" is what makes him look completely idiotic... And yes, I know at least SOME OF YOU were thinking it. You're just angry I didn't abide by some flowery foo-foo way of telling him he was wrong in order to spare his "feelings". It is impossible to offend NOBODY, and I hate people who go out of their way to try NOT to offend people. Trying not to offend people offends me. Live with it.
At least, I wasn't simply flaming him. I didn't just go, "man, you're dumb, why are you here?!" Like I seem to see in every forum on this place, at least once. I, instead, offered some solutions to the problems he was having. Yes, they were somewhat sarcastic... But honestly... It still helps him. A few tips and tricks to help him along, a few were sarcastic, but a few were good intentioned... But whatever, everyone hears and sees what they want to, because they let their emotions run the show and not their brain.
Eh... Calling me names doesn't hurt my ego... It's more telling about the people saying it than the person being called them. Pick a psychiatrist that tells you different and I'll give you a thousand american dollars. I don't personally feel I belong in the "asshole" category... Mainly because I live in the real world and know what assholes are first hand... You could actually consider me more of a "self-righteous jerk" than an asshole. I also have a slight "holier than thou" complex on certain subjects and towards certain people. It doesn't make me an "asshole", but it does tend to make me abrasive at times. But... at least I can admit what I am ;) (yep, that's being holier than thou, and being honest!).
Also, I'm not misunderstood... The english language and words in it are misunderstood... And then people try to use them in place of the correct words and it just makes everything confusing and jumbled. People think of me what they want, I can't stop them from their assumptions or conclusions and nor should I want to. I'm comfortable with who I am, I don't need the approval of anyone else. And you guys should be that way too. Perhaps not an arrogant jerk like me... But there are some good qualities you learn for yourself.
Disrespectful behavior? Eh... How to respond to that? Pot calling the kettle black, anyone? But... I also believe in the George Carlin doctrine... Respect should NOT be automatic. Respect should be EARNED. When you earn it, you'll get it. Not bloody well before then. You want automatic respect? Buy a dog.
The most basic of forum etiquette also entails proper spelling, punctuation, capitalization, and grammar... Yet, I don't see you delivering that speech to people who fail those tenants. I guess basic forum etiquette only gets brought up with you when it suits your needs... Plus, as soon as I broke the nonexistant rule about being nice to people regardless of what they said... Everyone else followed suit and began flaming and insulting me. Once again, pot calling the kettle black. And don't give me that weak response "well you started it!". You're just as guilty as I am. I hope my cross is next to yours when we're crucified for breaking the holy forum etiquette rules. At least I'll have someone to banter with ^_^.
The nails in my arms hurt more than the nails in yours! I bet you twenty bucks!
Ugh... had to break this into two posts... Sorry for the length... I know nobody likes it... But hey... everything I said had to be said.
madcap1
10-20-2008, 11:38 PM
Once again NO ONE RESPOND to this ass please DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS tirade. Please Tai_MT just stop posting these long post no one reads them they are to long so just STOP for god sake enough is enough already. GO AWAY
Tai_MT
10-21-2008, 12:13 AM
...says the guy who continues to respond to me.
"Don't respond to this guy, even though I just did it! OOPS!"
BTW: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Tirade That should help you out.
I'm also a human being, not a donkey. Calling me an "ass" doesn't make you look any smarter ~_^.
"nobody reads your posts, they are too long!". I'm sure someone reads them. After all, some of you have taken great care to QUOTE THEM in their entirity, take them out of context, and then reply to them.
I realize my posts are quite long... But I also realize that if you are on a forum, it's because you are here to READ THINGS. Saying such a thing is like being halfway done with War and Peace and saying, "I hate reading, reading takes forever!".
Should I just let you know when I've condensed my... what is it... 5 minute speech into a five minute movie so you can "listen" instead of having to do ALL that hard work of reading and scrolling?
I'm sorry, I'm just messing with you. You're quite funny in your own unique troglodyte way. I should keep you around.
Do me a favor, follow me around and post mean spirited things after everything I post. I get a kick out of it and it makes me smile that someone cares so much about me to post to others to not respond to my posts. It's so deliciously silly and fun!
I'll even pay you minimum wage to do it. How does $6.56 an hour sound?
kiwi18
10-21-2008, 12:15 AM
Seriously guys, chill the fuck out. Stopping fighting like 14 year old girls. This is not highschool...
I can agree with Tai on some points but I also disagree with him on others.
First off, Tai is right in the fact that it seems you do not listen very well in the game. Once you kill the regenerating monster, she will unlock the door and tell you you can't kill it and to book.
Also, Madcap, please be nice. There is no need to flame him for sounding intelligent and having points to back up his statements. Just because you don't agree with his POV on the subjects, does not mean he is an idiot and he is wrong. I actually did read all of his comments. It is nice to know there is someone on this site who actually cares about proper grammar, punctuation, spelling, and knows how to properly form a paragraph.
Edit:
Madcap are you serious??
You reported him for spam yet saying " Reported for spam"...is spam. You my friend, just got reported. Can an admin or mod clean this up or lock this down, this is getting ridiculous.
madcap1
10-21-2008, 12:21 AM
Seriously guys, chill the fuck out. Stopping fighting like 14 year old girls. This is not highschool...
I can agree with Tai on some points but I also disagree with him on others.
First off, Tai is right in the fact that it seems you do not listen very well in the game. Once you kill the regenerating monster, she will unlock the door and tell you you can't kill it and to book.
Also, Madcap, please be nice. There is no need to flame him for sounding intelligent and having points to back up his statements. Just because you don't agree with his POV on the subjects, does not mean he is an idiot and he is wrong. I actually did read all of his comments. It is nice to know there is someone on this site who actually cares about proper grammar, punctuation, spelling, and knows how to properly form a paragraph.
Edit:
Madcap are you serious??
You reported him for spam yet saying " Reported for spam"...is spam. You my friend, just got reported. Can an admin or mod clean this up or lock this down, this is getting ridiculous.
lol yeah this needs to be closed for sure this is a joke. thanks for that kiwi18 great job lol
Shinobi273
10-21-2008, 12:24 AM
Wall of text? Really? WTF is going on, I really don't want to read wall rants.
Closing this for flaming.
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