Ultimate Fighting Championship/MMA

[Method]

Apparently Penn vs. GSP II may be closer than anyone thought. Dana hinted that it could be happening as early as this New Years. I for one would love to see that fight as both fights have improved since the first fight. Read more here:
http://www.fightline.com/news/2008/69/bj_the_prodigy_penn_326478.shtml

[Adam Miller]

TUF 8 CAST IS IN

Early picks for me:

Shane Nelson
Krzysztof Soszynski


The new Anderson Silva Dana keeps talking about: possible Tom Lawlor looking at his record hes 5-1 with the loss being a DQ and all TKOs early...

[duckydan]

And the news of the week for UFC (IMO)

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=14275

Brock Lesnar vs Randy Couture.

While I think it is too soon for Lesnar it should be a great fight leading up to the winner taking on the winner of Nogueira / Mir to unify the belt. Obviously the UFC would prefer a Couture / Nogueira match to do it sooner than later but since that has been planned with the TUF 8 this is a good way to move it along and get Couture back in the ring for his next to last match in the UFC.

edit: one of his three matches since he now has a 3 match deal.

[deej brutal]

lesnar vs couture? i heard about it earlier and i hope couture takes out lesnar and we get a couture/nog matchup, which will be something else.


still waiting for a fedor/couture fight, that would be intense

[AlphaXGamerXDad]

If Brock has a step-up in his game, like he had for his last fight, old man Randy could be in trouble. I so want to see Lesnar go far in the UFC. When he 1st started "wrestling" on TV, you could tell he was bigger/better than that. Not many fighters work harder than him, and his opponents better stat giving him some credit.

What do y'all think of Iceman's chances Saturday?

[PerpetualHeaven]

Woah woah woah. Hamill vs Franklin? What is Franklin doing in light heavy. Well, Hamill is my favourite fighter and Franklin has proven, even though I picked him both times to beat Silva, that he can't be the best. I'm sorry, I love Hamill more than the world therefore Hamill will annihilate him. He will destroy him. haha :D Completely bias opinion. :)

Anyways, my predictions for UFC 88:

Liddell vs Evans: Evans via decision
Hamill vs Franklin: Hamill 2nd round via KO
Parisyan vs Yoshida: Yoshida 3rd round via KO
Henderson vs Palhares: Henderson 2nd round via KO
Marquardt vs Kampmann: Marquardt 3rd round via Submission
Tavares vs Pellegrino: Pellegrino 2nd round via Submission

Yay.

[Method]

I'm actually quite excited for Couture vs. Lesnar. I think it will be a good test to really see what Brock Lesnar is going to be in the sport. As far as Evans vs. Liddell, I've underestimated Rashad since I first saw him on TUF and I'm going to do it again and say he loses via TKO.

[Adam Miller]

Audio of conference:

http://www.mmarated.com/blogs/blog/20080902/couture_lesnar_conference_call_audio-629.html;jsessionid=647501AA425A7849F3A9FDDCF2FB67 80

P.S I think Liddell, Franklin by TKO and Parisyan by decision. Apart from that im with Perp.

BTW i think Nog got screwed and the Fedor fight wont happen in the UFC.

[dda24]

That is insane that Lesner is fighting Cotour already after only 1 win in the UFC. And he didn't even impress me in the last fight vs. the crazy horse. He only won because he is a huge man. He has very little skill in my opinion besides his takedowns. he could have got heath's back about a hundred times last fight and he was unable to finish him. I think he will dominate the majority of the fight vs. cotour though, but he will lose when he gets caught in a submission.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Audio of conference:

http://www.mmarated.com/blogs/blog/20080902/couture_lesnar_conference_call_audio-629.html;jsessionid=647501AA425A7849F3A9FDDCF2FB67 80

P.S I think Liddell, Franklin by TKO and Parisyan by decision. Apart from that im with Perp.

BTW i think Nog got screwed and the Fedor fight wont happen in the UFC.

Reason I ultimately picked Hamill, other than being bias (haha), is because Hamill is a big boy. Bisping is not a little guy. He's huge and Hamill is an ultimate wrestler (olympic grade I believe he was going to be). Franklin has been fighting in the middleweight division for a long time and Hamill tosses around lightheavy's like their toys. Maybe Franklin will finesse him, I'm not sure but he moved up a weight class so I expect speed loss.

[bplayak]

Reason I ultimately picked Hamill, other than being bias (haha), is because Hamill is a big boy. Bisping is not a little guy. He's huge and Hamill is an ultimate wrestler (olympic grade I believe he was going to be). Franklin has been fighting in the middleweight division for a long time and Hamill tosses around lightheavy's like their toys. Maybe Franklin will finesse him, I'm not sure but he moved up a weight class so I expect speed loss.

I almost fell out of my chair yesterday when I heard the news about Couture/Lesnar. I am so happy Couture is coming back to the UFC. I can't imagine the amount of money that is in that contract. Since it's a three fight deal, I guarantee that somewhere in that contract says that if Couture wins the first two fights, his third fight must be Fedor or he is not obligated to fight. It won't make sense for Randy to fight anyone else after that. I saw somewhere that Dana is looking at this like a tournament, wrestler v. wrestler where winner faces the winner of the jiu jitsu/jiu jitsu making it the best wrestler v. best submission guy. I kind of like the idea.

Anyway, Perp to your comment, this is one of the rare fights I just don't want to see with Hamill and Franklin being two of my favorite fighters. Franklin really has only been fighting middleweight for about 3 and a half years now. His first middleweight fight was Evan Tanner. His first 19 professional fights were all at lightheavyweight in which he only lost 1 time which was a fight in 2003 to Lyota Machida. I really see Franklin winning this fight fairly easily either by knockout or submission if he gets taken down. And no Franklin can't beat Anderson Silva, but hey is there anyone who can????? lol. I just hope Hamill puts on a good show. I still can't believe he's gotta fight Rich...that sucks.

[Mustkill9]

The way to beat Rich Franklin is with speed. Anderson Silva beats everybody, I know, but Silva could never lose to Franklin- because Silva beats him with speed.

Will Hamill's camp be wise enough to realize this, and is Hamill capable of beating him with speed? Those are the questions that will determine the winner of this fight I believe.

[hopesfall2win]

That is insane that Lesner is fighting Cotour already after only 1 win in the UFC. And he didn't even impress me in the last fight vs. the crazy horse. He only won because he is a huge man. He has very little skill in my opinion besides his takedowns. he could have got heath's back about a hundred times last fight and he was unable to finish him. I think he will dominate the majority of the fight vs. cotour though, but he will lose when he gets caught in a submission.

Didn't impress you? He beat the shit out of Herring from the opening seconds. Knocked him to the ground within first 30 secs man. He completely dominated Herring.

"only beat him cause he's huge" ..well he's going to be huge vs everyone, you can't knock him for it. As for going for opponent's back, I think he and everyone watching would rather see him beat the hell out of the opponent than a slow wrestling/submission battle.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Anyway, Perp to your comment, this is one of the rare fights I just don't want to see with Hamill and Franklin being two of my favorite fighters. Franklin really has only been fighting middleweight for about 3 and a half years now. His first middleweight fight was Evan Tanner. His first 19 professional fights were all at lightheavyweight in which he only lost 1 time which was a fight in 2003 to Lyota Machida. I really see Franklin winning this fight fairly easily either by knockout or submission if he gets taken down. And no Franklin can't beat Anderson Silva, but hey is there anyone who can????? lol. I just hope Hamill puts on a good show. I still can't believe he's gotta fight Rich...that sucks.

I think Hamill could deal with Franklin. Hamill is the epitome of strength and wrestling. I just hope he doesn't stand up with Franklin. I know Franklin has an awkward stand up game that's hard to beat. If Hamill takes it to the ground and pounds him, I think it's over. I can't see Hamill losing to submission. He's too good of a wrestler. I can only see him getting KO'd and that's a big IF for me because he has a sick chin. He's like a wall. His stand up is pure shit obviously but he's power. Pure power. If he can get into some wrestling with Franklin and take it to the ground, I see a KO.

[Mustkill9]

I think Hamill could deal with Franklin. Hamill is the epitome of strength and wrestling. I just hope he doesn't stand up with Franklin. I know Franklin has an awkward stand up game that's hard to beat. If Hamill takes it to the ground and pounds him, I think it's over. I can't see Hamill losing to submission. He's too good of a wrestler. I can only see him getting KO'd and that's a big IF for me because he has a sick chin. He's like a wall. His stand up is pure shit obviously but he's power. Pure power. If he can get into some wrestling with Franklin and take it to the ground, I see a KO.

I take it you don't agree with me about Hamill needing speed to win. I think you're focusing more on Hamill's strengths, and I agree with everything you said. But you don't look at it from the perspective of specifically beating Franklin.

Rich Franklin is 23-3. His only losses are to Silva twice, and Lyoto Machida (my favorite fighter right now). Like Silva, Machida is a speed fighter. There's a lot more to Machida than that, but it starts with speed. So take away the 2 fastest fighters Franklin has fought, he's an amazing 23-0. Also, the last 9 people Franklin has fought are all names a MMA fan knows. Franklin is no joke.

EDIT: Before anybody tells me you can't teach speed, that's not true. That's what these coaches job is. Remember Couture beating Tim Sylvia? That was Couture using a game plan that was designed 100% to beat Sylvia with speed. Couture never fights like that, but he adjusted because of his specific opponent.

[Adam Miller]

I take it you don't agree with me about Hamill needing speed to win. I think you're focusing more on Hamill's strengths, and I agree with everything you said. But you don't look at it from the perspective of specifically beating Franklin.

Rich Franklin is 23-3. His only losses are to Silva twice, and Lyoto Machida (my favorite fighter right now). Like Silva, Machida is a speed fighter. There's a lot more to Machida than that, but it starts with speed. So take away the 2 fastest fighters Franklin has fought, he's an amazing 23-0. Also, the last 9 people Franklin has fought are all names a MMA fan knows. Franklin is no joke.

EDIT: Before anybody tells me you can't teach speed, that's not true. That's what these coaches job is. Remember Couture beating Tim Sylvia? That was Couture using a game plan that was designed 100% to beat Sylvia with speed. Couture never fights like that, but he adjusted because of his specific opponent.

You cant teach actual speed, you teach reaction speed...

[Mustkill9]

You cant teach actual speed, you teach reaction speed...

Let me try to explain this another way. Basically I'm recommending speed tactics, and he's had a few months to figure out exactly which ones would work best for him, and... to practice them, ultimately making him faster at the speed moves that he's practicing.

[sports_guy212]

anyone know if matt hughes will be fighting in the near future? since losing to gsp he's somewhat disappeared.

[Adam Miller]

Let me try to explain this another way. Basically I'm recommending speed tactics, and he's had a few months to figure out exactly which ones would work best for him, and... to practice them, ultimately making him faster at the speed moves that he's practicing.

Yeh i knew that was what you meant i just didnt want anyone saying you were wrong i tried to clear it up a bit.

As for Matt Hughes they're looking at Superbowl weekend Matt Serra.

INSIDE SCOOP: Rampage VS Wand 3 at UFC 91...Maybe this pay per view could be a new record..

[bplayak]

anyone know if matt hughes will be fighting in the near future? since losing to gsp he's somewhat disappeared.

Also to add to this, did you miss his fight to Thiago Alves in June? He's never disappeared lol.

[Adam Miller]

Matt Brown and DYK is on the main card because of Parisyan's back injury so...looks like one of Perps predictions is wrong already..:p

[onimod13]

Chuck Liddell Vs. Rashad Evans- This looks to be a god fight but i think the iceman will win it.

Rich Franklin Vs. Matt Hamill - hamill has shown he is a good fighter and did well on ultimate fighter but i think franklin should win this.

Dan Henderson Vs. Rousimar Palhares - I think this should be an easy win for hendo get him back into winning ways.

Martin Kampmann Vs. Nate Marquardt - I think the experience of marquardt should see him win this one.

Dong Hyun Kim Vs. Matt Brown - Hoping matt brown does well in this one as he was good in ultimate fighter.

All in all seems to be a good line up for this event and going by statistics very evenly matched.

[Mustkill9]

My predictions:

Chuck Liddell Vs. Rashad Evans- Liddell should usually win this one. Evans seems like he should have knockout power, but he really doesn't, and Liddell can usually take a punch. But eventually Liddell will get old. Is he becoming past his prime? I think soon, but not yet.

Rich Franklin Vs. Matt Hamill - After everything I said before, I don't think Hamill's crew realizes they need to get a speed gameplan going. I just realized that Franklin is moving up a weight class for this fight. That should make Franklin another step slower. I expect Franklin to win, although I'm rooting for Hamill.

Dan Henderson Vs. Rousimar Palhares - Henderson loses his third in a row? Palhares chokes out Henderson? It could definitely happen, and since Palhares is a heavy underdog, I'm with him here.

Martin Kampmann Vs. Nate Marquardt - Marquardt is a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Ricardo Murgel, and a 2nd degree black belt in Pancrase Mixed Martial Arts/Jiu-Jitsu. With lots of big fight experience, and MMA accomplishments, he should be able to beat Kampmann.

Dong Hyun Kim Vs. Matt Brown - Matt Brown is a coin flip against slightly below average UFC fighters, and who is Dong Hyun Kim anyways?

[Adam Miller]

My predictions:

Chuck Liddell Vs. Rashad Evans- Liddell should usually win this one. Evans seems like he should have knockout power, but he really doesn't, and Liddell can usually take a punch. But eventually Liddell will get old. Is he becoming past his prime? I think soon, but not yet.

Rich Franklin Vs. Matt Hamill - After everything I said before, I don't think Hamill's crew realizes they need to get a speed gameplan going. I just realized that Franklin is moving up a weight class for this fight. That should make Franklin another step slower. I expect Franklin to win, although I'm rooting for Hamill.

Dan Henderson Vs. Rousimar Palhares - Henderson loses his third in a row? Palhares chokes out Henderson? It could definitely happen, and since Palhares is a heavy underdog, I'm with him here.

Martin Kampmann Vs. Nate Marquardt - Marquardt is a black belt in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu under Ricardo Murgel, and a 2nd degree black belt in Pancrase Mixed Martial Arts/Jiu-Jitsu. With lots of big fight experience, and MMA accomplishments, he should be able to beat Kampmann.

Dong Hyun Kim Vs. Matt Brown - Matt Brown is a coin flip against slightly below average UFC fighters, and who is Dong Hyun Kim anyways?

Dong Hyun Kim will KO Matt Brown and look for the DJ Sammy entrance music...

[Mustkill9]

Dong Hyun Kim will KO Matt Brown and look for the DJ Sammy entrance music...

I hope you don't mean the song Heaven, especially the acoustic Light FM candlelight remix on the piano. It might make a lot of people angry.

Boys of Summer? That might actually somehow be even worse!

[onimod13]

I hope you don't mean the song Heaven, especially the acoustic Light FM candlelight remix on the piano. It might make a lot of people angry.

Boys of Summer? That might actually somehow be even worse!

ROFL

All in all should make for some good fights tonight.
Just finished watching amir khan practice his thriller routine (after he tried getting back up that is he was all over the place)
Alex arthur lose his wbo title to nicky cook bit fed up with that as arthur is fellow scotsman but he was well outboxed.

Prize fighter is making a return on sky sports on friday night.

[Adam Miller]

I hope you don't mean the song Heaven, especially the acoustic Light FM candlelight remix on the piano. It might make a lot of people angry.

Boys of Summer? That might actually somehow be even worse!

My favorite is why, but i cant say i didnt overplay Heaven when it came out....

But yes its the song heaven lol.

I was just gonna ask if anyone else watched that 54 second KTFO and as a Brit i am truly truly happy.

A pikey at my brothers boxing gym used to put Amir down there all the time apparently but could only go so far as he didn't have a "fixed address" true story...

[onimod13]

I dont doubt that for one second mate and as a (brit) lol i was more than happy to see him get what he was owed.
The fact that it was PPV made it all the more funny.

[Adam Miller]

I dont doubt that for one second mate and as a (brit) lol i was more than happy to see him get what he was owed.
The fact that it was PPV made it all the more funny.

Wow never noticed i said Brit i hate it when people say that...but i gotta disagree with it being better on pay per view taking you made like my mates and went round someones house who was paying for it? lol 15 quid for 54 seconds...

[onimod13]

It was once said the best things in life are FREE!!!!

There are illegal ways to have watched this fight but i like the one where because i work for the supplier i get it free.

[Adam Miller]

It was once said the best things in life are FREE!!!!

There are illegal ways to have watched this fight but i like the one where because i work for the supplier i get it free.

Yeh but Sopcast is no good when you got 10 mates round a computer...lol

[SabreOscar]

That has got to be one of the most brutal knockouts of all time

[Adam Miller]

Message to Perp.....real men don't boast...;)

Im being blamed for Chucks loss by my brother and his two mates and my mate whos first time it is staying up to watch a ufc..

[SabreOscar]

I was telling everyone at work not to sleep on Evans. Did you see the poll? 72% were picking Chuck to win.

[SaCkaveli20]

SUGAAAAAA!!!!!!!

Oh man that was fantastic..lol
I was the only one cheering at the bar when Liddell went to sleep ahahahaha

[Adam Miller]

Rashads getting a title shot now...

[duckydan]

I think Chuck Lidell needs to add me to his payroll... his last three losses were the only three pay-per-views I did not order. Last night I forgot about it and wasn't going to pay halfway through the event. It's ashame that he's fallen to nothing but then again if Ken Shamrock can fight Kimbo Slice there's still hope for him.

[Adam Miller]

I think Chuck Lidell needs to add me to his payroll... his last three losses were the only three pay-per-views I did not order. Last night I forgot about it and wasn't going to pay halfway through the event. It's ashame that he's fallen to nothing but then again if Ken Shamrock can fight Kimbo Slice there's still hope for him.

Chuck would punish Kimbo Slice..

[onimod13]

The thing that sounded good to me last night was randy ' the natural' couture vs brock lesnar.

How i so want someone to punish lesnar.

Pretty gutted at icemans loss though didnt see that coming.

[onimod13]

Yeh but Sopcast is no good when you got 10 mates round a computer...lol

Sopcast sucks and if you got your pc hooked up to a small monitor sucks too.
However free sky box office never goes wrong ( i can also tell you how insider knowledge get it free )

[Adam Miller]

The thing that sounded good to me last night was randy ' the natural' couture vs brock lesnar.

How i so want someone to punish lesnar.

Pretty gutted at icemans loss though didnt see that coming.

Same, and Bas said on inside MMA he has a great way to beat Lesnar and was txting Randy as soon as the fight was announced.

Sopcast sucks and if you got your pc hooked up to a small monitor sucks too.
However free sky box office never goes wrong ( i can also tell you how insider knowledge get it free )

I like you...PM me or add my msn. :)

[onimod13]

Wahey lesnars gonna get a seeing too :D
Atleast one of us likes me cause i dont lol

[bplayak]

That has got to be one of the most brutal knockouts of all time

Amen to that. That was definitely the most brutal knockouts if not the most brutal I have ever seen. Most guys when they get knocked out are flat on their backs with their joints all stiffened. I reallly thought Chuck broke his neck for the first couple minutes. Knocked out almost flat on his face and head twisted towards the mat. If you watch the replay from behind Chuck you can see the top of his spine pop out right by his neck. Just vicious. First and foremost, I'm just glad Chuck is ok. That aside, Rashad now has TWO highlight reel knock outs on his resume'. Not many guys can say that.

On the Hamill and Franklin fight, poor Matt Hamill. I hated watching that fight. I don't even no why Joe Silva made that matchup. That kick to the liver that Matt got knocked out with looked so painful. Only being Matt's 8th professional fight, he shouldn't have been in the cage with someone of Franklin's calibur yet.

[SabreOscar]

Rich Franklin is one of the the original poster boys for UFC. I would even go as far as saying he is Dana's favorite of the Poster Boys because he is clean cut, well spoken, and educated (he was a freaking high school teacher!) It was important for the UFC organization that Rich get back to his winning ways so that he could rebuild his confidence. IMO there is nothing wrong being the 2nd best Middleweight in the world. But yeah Hammil should not have been in there with him this early. He looked very amatuerish lastnight.

[Mustkill9]

I didn't realize Rashad Evans was so fast. I guess I wasn't really into his fights enough to notice. If Evans can keep that speed or improve on it, he has a great chance to be the 3rd person to beat Rich Franklin. I'll even say 70% chance. Evans deserves a title shot, but I'd like to see him fight Franklin now.

OK so the light heavyweight division is ridiculously stacked. But everyone's forgetting about Lyoto Machida. He's not on anybody's top 10 pound for pound fighters list. But I expect him to eventually be recognized as the 2nd best after Anderson Silva. I feel like Machida is as hard to beat as Silva, but just hasn't proven it yet.

[SabreOscar]

I believe Rampage deservers a rematch before talking about who should fight Forrest next. Evans is a legit contender, Id like to see him take on one more top tier 205lbs fighter before giving him his shot at a title though.

[0bey]

I just saw UFC 70 again.

[Mustkill9]

I believe Rampage deservers a rematch before talking about who should fight Forrest next. Evans is a legit contender, Id like to see him take on one more top tier 205lbs fighter before giving him his shot at a title though.

I don't think the UFC has ever had the same 2 fighters fight each other back to back times. As close as the Griffin-Jackson fight was, I think its only fair to the rest of the fighters that Jackson now wins at least 1 fight before he gets a shot at getting his title back. Personally, I think he should have to win 2 or 3 in a row, depending on his performance.

Evans is officially getting a title shot. Dana White has not released a date yet, but the rumor I hear is Dec 27. From what I understand, Liddell was going to get a title shot if he won that fight.

[Adam Miller]

When i said Rashad is gonna fight Forrest now....that was news not a guess. It will happen. lol

I also said watch for Wand Rampage 3 at 91. ;)

[onimod13]

I think jackson vs evans should be the next fight i dont think he deserves a shot at the title and forest yet.

Shows that some of the guys that come from ultimate fighter deserve their shots at it and that the format works. Bisping vs leben next up 2 former ultimate fighters i hope leben gets knocked out though he really annoys me from his time on the show.

New season starts after UFC 91 Lesnar vs Couture

[Adam Miller]

I think jackson vs evans should be the next fight i dont think he deserves a shot at the title and forest yet.

Shows that some of the guys that come from ultimate fighter deserve their shots at it and that the format works. Bisping vs leben next up 2 former ultimate fighters i hope leben gets knocked out though he really annoys me from his time on the show.

New season starts after UFC 91 Lesnar vs Couture

TUF 8 starts after ufc 91 on November 15th you mean?

It starts after Ultimate Fight Night doesn't it September 17th?

[onimod13]

Yup my bad must have been a blonde moment or something there.
Starts after neer vs diaz and a day later here in the uk unless you have access to us tv :D

Cant wait to see the line ups and see if anyone destroys the house this season lol.

Maybe after it starts we can run book on winner and first person to destroy the house or something or someone in it.

[PerpetualHeaven]

When i said Rashad is gonna fight Forrest now....that was news not a guess. It will happen. lol

I also said watch for Wand Rampage 3 at 91. ;)

We all know that Wand is probably the best fighter to ever grace the planet ;) haha. Yay to Evans KOing Liddell. I think it's time for him to retire. I'm so happy :) He's been losing so much. Score.

As for Hamill :( eff that dude. What the hell? Knockout? God damn it, Hamill! As for every other fight. I guess I was close but some of them ended in decisions.

[Adam Miller]

We all know that Wand is probably the best fighter to ever grace the planet ;) haha. Yay to Evans KOing Liddell. I think it's time for him to retire. I'm so happy :) He's been losing so much. Score.

As for Hamill :( eff that dude. What the hell? Knockout? God damn it, Hamill! As for every other fight. I guess I was close but some of them ended in decisions.

Come on Perp tell us how you really feel about Chuck...its ok.

Also there will be no more trashing of the TUF house or they are paying for it.

[SabreOscar]

Former Middleweight Champ Evan Tanner has been found dead in California. Shocking news. RIP Champ.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AsaIBwLd9.havRf1NDUqfzg9Eo14?slug=ys-mmaweektanner090808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Adam Miller]

Former Middleweight Champ Evan Tanner has been found dead in California. Shocking news. RIP Champ.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=AsaIBwLd9.havRf1NDUqfzg9Eo14?slug=ys-mmaweektanner090808&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Shit man i can't believe it. I was just gonna post this (just got up).

The sherdog article doesn't sound 100% percent sure its him but its looking like it.

Sherdog article: http://sherdog.com/news/news/former-ufc-champ-tanner-dead-at-37-14334

[onimod13]

Sad loss tanner was a good fighter even if i didnt like him myself.

[Mustkill9]

I hear a rumor that on the next Ultimate Fighter show, Nogueira is going to have Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida as assistant coaches. Wow. Even if these guys can barely speak English, I would want to be on that team. That's some lucky fighters who get to have personal lessons with those 3 guys.

It makes some sense because they all fight out of the same camp, Black House.

[Adam Miller]

I hear a rumor that on the next Ultimate Fighter show, Nogueira is going to have Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida as assistant coaches. Wow. Even if these guys can barely speak English, I would want to be on that team. That's some lucky fighters who get to have personal lessons with those 3 guys.

It makes some sense because they all fight out of the same camp, Black House.

Yeh thats been known for ages i mean theyve even filmed now..and your missed out Lil Nog as well. :)

[Mustkill9]

Yeh thats been known for ages i mean theyve even filmed now..and your missed out Lil Nog as well. :)

For some reason I can't picture any of this. Trying to explain ground and pound with a vocabulary that only includes elbow, punch, him, strong, fast, big, and knockout? Machida and Silva better learn English fast.

[bplayak]

For some reason I can't picture any of this. Trying to explain ground and pound with a vocabulary that only includes elbow, punch, him, strong, fast, big, and knockout? Machida and Silva better learn English fast.

Totally agreed. I love Anderson Silva (still not big on Lyota as I do not like his defensive style) but he still only appeals to the hardcore MMA community. If Anderson was this laid back Brazilian who knew English could you imagine how popular he would be in all facets of not just fighting but the pop culture??? Take a look at what a superstar Chuck is or what a superstar Tito Ortiz is. Walk out on a crowded street in say New York City and say hey do you know either Tito Ortiz or Anderson Silva is, and I guarantee you'll get more people who know Tito, with the Apprentice and the Ultimate Fighter and of course dating Jenna Jameson. He's not very good but he gets his name out there. As soon as Anderson learns English(albeit he tried so so so hard at his press conference when it was announced he was fighting Patrick Cote) he will be one of the most popular MMA fighters of all time.

[MessiahSlayer]

I just realized there was a place on this board about MMA and UFC. I figured I would come in here and confess my love for UFC and my dream to one day fight in it XD. I have been watching the recent pay per views at a local bar around here and they have been really exciting. I would have to say St Pierre and Orvlosky or whatever his name is (can't remember because i haven't seen him fight in a while) are two of my favorites but there are plenty others i enjoy watching.

[Adam Miller]

I just realized there was a place on this board about MMA and UFC. I figured I would come in here and confess my love for UFC and my dream to one day fight in it XD. I have been watching the recent pay per views at a local bar around here and they have been really exciting. I would have to say St Pierre and Orvlosky or whatever his name is (can't remember because i haven't seen him fight in a while) are two of my favorites but there are plenty others i enjoy watching.

Lol Orvlosky. Andrei Arlovski fought at Affliction and looked good against Ben Rothwell and is now probably gonna fight Fedor after Day of Reckoning was pushed back with Affliction getting with Golden Boy he probably wont fight Barnett.

Also has anyone seen who Mir is taking with him? Henderson, Dyrsdale, Maia and Aurellio are all included. Maybe it wont be so straight forward with whos team you would want to be on.

[Mustkill9]

Also has anyone seen who Mir is taking with him? Henderson, Dyrsdale, Maia and Aurellio are all included. Maybe it wont be so straight forward with whos team you would want to be on.

Minotauro's team is 1) the Heavyweight champion and jiu-jitsu master, 2) the unanimous best pound for pound fighter in MMA, and 3) my favorite MMA fighter. So I don't care if he brings strippers. Dyrsdale? Is that another one of those Pride guys?

And I'd try to figure out Silva's bouncing ball secret. He has this high bounce ball he practices with that he says is his secret practice technique. He may have even called it the secret to his success, but I don't remember. It was on one of those Countdown to UFCs (that I've watched too many of).

[Adam Miller]

Minotauro's team is 1) the Heavyweight champion and jiu-jitsu master, 2) the unanimous best pound for pound fighter in MMA, and 3) my favorite MMA fighter. So I don't care if he brings strippers. Dyrsdale? Is that another one of those Pride guys?

And I'd try to figure out Silva's bouncing ball secret. He has this high bounce ball he practices with that he says is his secret practice technique. He may have even called it the secret to his success, but I don't remember. It was on one of those Countdown to UFCs (that I've watched too many of).

How can you say Nog is the Jiu Jitsu master then ask who Drysdale is? Robert Drysedale ADCC 07 champion tapped Marcelo Garcia...the Jiu Jitsu God. Is he a Pride guy lol. You also forget Nogs younger brother. Im not even saying Nogs team isnt the best but Mir is bringing in some top guys now.

As for the bouncing ball its no secret Frank Shamrock has always keen to show his balance on it, im sure you can find vids of him on it on youtube.

[Mustkill9]

How can you say Nog is the Jiu Jitsu master then ask who Drysdale is? Robert Drysedale ADCC 07 champion tapped Marcelo Garcia...the Jiu Jitsu God. Is he a Pride guy lol. You also forget Nogs younger brother. Im not even saying Nogs team isnt the best but Mir is bringing in some top guys now.

As for the bouncing ball its no secret Frank Shamrock has always keen to show his balance on it, im sure you can find vids of him on it on youtube.

I'm not embarassed that I don't know who Drysdale is. I spend a lot of time watching UFC, so I just don't have time for these other fights. You know I even have an opinion on the most obscure UFC fighters.

EDIT: The edit was about to say "I don't even know what ADCC is!" But then I realized that's Abu Dhabi championship- the highly respected jiu-jitsu tournament.

[Adam Miller]

I'm not embarassed that I don't know who Drysdale is. I spend a lot of time watching UFC, so I just don't have time for these other fights. You know I even have an opinion on the most obscure UFC fighters.

EDIT: The edit was about to say "I don't even know what ADCC is!" But then I realized that's Abu Dhabi championship- the highly respected jiu-jitsu tournament.

Yeh, all im saying is Mir isnt just bringing in his group that he trains with himself hes trying to bring in people that he said are better then himself at certain aspects to make his guys better. I think people are gonna like Mir more after this season.

[SabreOscar]

Nice fight by Nate Diaz tonight. Showed some great technical skills, but I think he needs to find a new strength coach if he wants to compete at the top level of competition.

[Adam Miller]

The Alessia Sakara fight is worth looking up for those who haven't seen it.

Everyone from the MMA gym up elephant and castle and the Gracie Barra at picadilly are gonna wanna go for tuf 9 auditions. Im going for sure and so is my brother and a few of his guys from boxing. He needs to get a few more amateur boxing wins then and i need to quickly go through the ranks at the Gracie Barra. Auditions October 20th. UK VS USA style.

[onimod13]

Topic seems to have slowed down a bit here which is surprising considering after the fight night show it was the new season of ultimate fighter.

Fight your way into the house again this season and some good fights there were for the first half.
More good matchups this week to see who the final housemates are.

Lots of strong looking fighters in there including the guy who passed out at the start, should make for a great season and hopefully a decent fight between nog and mir.

Mir has looked well out of whack for a long time now tires very quickly he got lucky with lesnar with the ankle lock but shows hes still dangerous on the ground.

[Adam Miller]

Topic seems to have slowed down a bit here which is surprising considering after the fight night show it was the new season of ultimate fighter.

Fight your way into the house again this season and some good fights there were for the first half.
More good matchups this week to see who the final housemates are.

Lots of strong looking fighters in there including the guy who passed out at the start, should make for a great season and hopefully a decent fight between nog and mir.

Mir has looked well out of whack for a long time now tires very quickly he got lucky with lesnar with the ankle lock but shows hes still dangerous on the ground.

I dont think Mir got lucky with Lesnar, he has skill but so does Nog. They are pretty much Pride vs UFC heavyweight jiu jistu and its really hard to tell who is better. What i will say though is i do not see Mir getting a tko over Nog at all but i could see Nog get one over Mir.

Im also interested to see the bet that lost Mir his hair.

Finally look out for Mustapha al turk in the ufc soon...prospect butif he fight Velasquez it would be a shame. Velasquez and Carwin will be top heavyweights in 5 years.

[SabreOscar]

The Alessia Sakara fight is worth looking up for those who haven't seen it.

Everyone from the MMA gym up elephant and castle and the Gracie Barra at picadilly are gonna wanna go for tuf 9 auditions. Im going for sure and so is my brother and a few of his guys from boxing. He needs to get a few more amateur boxing wins then and i need to quickly go through the ranks at the Gracie Barra. Auditions October 20th. UK VS USA style.

Have they announced coaches yet for season 9? Good luck in your audition bro. My buddy and I were going through a possible list of coaches and everything we came up with has us excited and looking forward to it.

[bplayak]

With Affliction teaming up with EliteXC for a cross promotional fight, anyone seen the latest rumor of a Kimbo vs. Fedor fight???

http://mmajunkie.com/news/12853/elitexc-affliction-collaboration-could-be-prelude-to-fedor-vs-kimbo-slice.mma

I for one think it's a total joke and if this fight would actually happen, poor poor Kimbo. Does this guy have a death wish?

[Adam Miller]

With Affliction teaming up with EliteXC for a cross promotional fight, anyone seen the latest rumor of a Kimbo vs. Fedor fight???

http://mmajunkie.com/news/12853/elitexc-affliction-collaboration-could-be-prelude-to-fedor-vs-kimbo-slice.mma

I for one think it's a total joke and if this fight would actually happen, poor poor Kimbo. Does this guy have a death wish?

It would not happen...Kimbo is not EliteXC champion yet why would he get the fight plus hes fighting Shamrock for definite.

Roy Nelson and Arlovski is set though.

No one got any thoughts about Dream 6 and Cro Cops knee magnetic nuts?

[SabreOscar]

Yahoo Sports is reporting that Anderson Silva is considering Retirement next year.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/Anderson-Silva-pondering-retirement-?urn=mma,109549

I guess if you are going to go out, go out on top. UFC and the MMA world will be losing a big star though.

[Mustkill9]

Everyone from the MMA gym up elephant and castle and the Gracie Barra at picadilly are gonna wanna go for tuf 9 auditions. Im going for sure and so is my brother and a few of his guys from boxing. He needs to get a few more amateur boxing wins then and i need to quickly go through the ranks at the Gracie Barra. Auditions October 20th. UK VS USA style.

That will be the dopest shit if we're watching you on there. I don't know how much of a chance you have because you don't talk any smack about your skills- but I want to hear that you at least tried out. Do you have a MMA record?

[SabreOscar]

No one got any thoughts about Dream 6 and Cro Cops knee magnetic nuts?

I just watced the fight on youtube. Im sick to my stomach right now thinking about the injury. I didnt know that was possible. I hope its only temporary.

[Adam Miller]

That will be the dopest shit if we're watching you on there. I don't know how much of a chance you have because you don't talk any smack about your skills- but I want to hear that you at least tried out. Do you have a MMA record?

I doubt ill get in i can tell you now that there are thousands of people that are gonna go but alot of people i know are not going because they say there not at that level yet. I figure why not go? As for record yeh 5 - 1 but only as amateur but along with a boxing record and a jiu jitsu background why not go right. My brothers mates finally got a new date for his pro debut at Cage Rage Contenders 11 fighting a guy whos 2 - 5...Jody Cottham i think.... My brother says hes fighting for the money alone and has been putting everyone at the boxing gym in guillotines to the annoyance of his boxing trainer lol.

I just watced the fight on youtube. Im sick to my stomach right now thinking about the injury. I didnt know that was possible. I hope its only temporary.

Yeh it must of hurt...a bollock going inside is only natural in cold water lol but its sad to say he was getting punished up until then and now Fedor cant fight the winner...Mousasi looks really good though subbing Manhoef and KOing Jacare is not a bad night for your record.

[BlamelessSoul]

havent really really watched UFC in a long time. But i did go to one in 1994 when it was in Detroit. Dan "The Beast" Severn fought Ken Shamrock in the man event. The thing i remember most was this little skinny guy fought this big sumo guy. So the sumo charges the skinny guy and squishes him up against the octagon, then the skinny just threw one punch and the sumo guys nose just exploded blood it was pretty sweet

[Adam Miller]

havent really really watched UFC in a long time. But i did go to one in 1994 when it was in Detroit. Dan "The Beast" Severn fought Ken Shamrock in the man event. The thing i remember most was this little skinny guy fought this big sumo guy. So the sumo charges the skinny guy and squishes him up against the octagon, then the skinny just threw one punch and the sumo guys nose just exploded blood it was pretty sweet

White guy in white trousers back in bare knuckl;e days and he knocked the guy down and kicked his teeth out? I think your remembering gerard gordeau vs teila tuli or something but the sumo guy was recently in a film that i cant remember...i think it was forgetting sarah marshall.

[p0rtfan]

Just been on the official ufc site. Looked at the fight cards for 89,90,91. 89 doesn't look spectactular but 90 looks good.91 is incomplete.

[Adam Miller]

Big fights now added to the next set of UFC cards with Wand vs Rampage and Forrest vs Rashad at ufc 92 the end of year card.. 94 May be the card with GSP vs Penn 2 on it and the ufc card in January ufc 93 in Dublin getting Franklin vs Henderson and Shogun vs Coleman 2. :)

[SabreOscar]

A last minute replacement has been found for the injured Shamrock. Kimbo will still be fighting.

[Adam Miller]

Seth Peterozelli Tuf guy if i remember?

Sherdog play by play:

http://sherdog.com/news/news/elitexc-heat-play-by-play-14645

Is it on cbs yet im watching an online thing of cbs and its adverts

[hopesfall2win]

A last minute replacement has been found for the injured Shamrock. Kimbo will still be fighting.

did he pussy out..

[SabreOscar]

Fight doesnt start until 8pm (pst) for me. So about another hour and a half to go.

[SabreOscar]

did he pussy out..

who knows.

its being reported he sustained a cut from a accidental headbutt during some last minute sparring. Elite tried to get him medically cleared to fight but the doctor would not sign off. they said Shamrock left the building so we probably will not get to see how bad a cut it was.

also heard that Frank Shamrock who is commentating tonights fights offered to step into the cage to fight Kimbo but was denied lol.

[Adam Miller]

Seth Petrozelli is confirmed...i said it was a cut on another thread someone started about this fight. Says so on the sherdog play by play. Arlovski looked good and Gina would still get a stiff one..

Seth should be a better fight in honesty more evenly matched. Seth for the win and Kimbo for the excuse of switched fighter...

[jorGe62990]

NO WAY! KIMBO LOST! It was over in like 8 seconds!! He got knocked down by a jac and then couldn't get up. He really got owned.

[Deathblow23]

I saw it too! He got caught,...stunned, and then punished. I'm as shocked as anybody.

[MEA7HOOK]

Shamrock hung around for an interview after he was scratched from the card. The cut was pretty bad, extending about halfway across his left brow, and required 6 stitches.

[Jiga.Puzzle.5]

Kimbo got fucking screwed watched the replay like 3 of those kids punches landed,and they gve him like 3 secs to put his fist up 100% bullshit.

[SabreOscar]

Little early of a stoppage imo but Kimbo was getting worked so it was "good" stoppage. Elite is probably shitting thier pants that thier meal ticket just got embarresed on national tv. Someone should have paid Seth to take a dive lol.

Gina vs Cyborg is going to be hott, and a decent fight too.

[Jiga.Puzzle.5]

That ref was just a pussy,If you watch Kimbo fights he get beat up most the time,but always breaks out and ends it with power.

[MEA7HOOK]

The first punch after the short straight kick nearly knocked Kimbo out. He fell straight to his knees and took a few shots before he even tried to "defend" himself by throwing his hands up in the air. That isn't classified as intelligent defense so I think it was a good stoppage since Kimbo was just crumpled on the ground taking huge blows to the head. You could see Kimbo asking, "what happened?" after the fight, so the ref's decision made sense to me.

[Adam Miller]

Kimbo got owned. Anyone whos shocked and thinks it was stopped early is wrong. Was he out? No not at all but was he going anywhere? No not at alll more punches woulod have just been thrown. Why are people shocked? Its rediculous your shocked at Kimbo but no ones mentioned Arllovski vs Nelson. Kimbo has just hands and hes not in the top 50 there...

[SabreOscar]

I dont think anyone is talking about Arllovski because he did what he was supposed to do, take care of business. He looked good and very relaxed. What I liked about his fight was after he knocked out the guy he was right there on top of him making sure the guy was ok. Good sportsmanship.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Agreeing with Miller here. Why would anyone be shocked that Kimbo lost? Have you seen who he's fought? Alright let's examine. First, there was Bo Cantrell. This guy is a joke. He's 10-11! Yes, he's finished all of his fights but he's also been beat more than he's won. He lost to a guy named Basatini, who's 9-19! Then, Kimbo beat Tank Abbott. Tank is what I would call a fat joke. 9-14 record and he's damn pathetic. After those two fights, he fought James Thompson, who is mediocre at best.

Now, Kimbo fought Seth, who I think is actually pretty decent and has excellent KO power. Seth, is in my opinion, a middle level fighter. Now that the EliteXC's poster boy was destroyed, I think they're in trouble. They were trying to feed Kimbo a legend who is clearly way past his prime.

If it is true that they denied Frank Shamrock, I wonder why. :P Frank would probably have destroyed him as well. He has a fairly decent reputation of being a good fighter. Ken is probably one of the best fighters ever but he's washed up.. HUGE. I love how EliteXC underestimated Seth though. In their FACE!

[Jiga.Puzzle.5]

Im just bitter I lost 50 bucks on that fatty!

[jorGe62990]

I think people are more surprised by HOW he lost, rather than the fact that he did lose.

[Adam Miller]

Im just bitter I lost 50 bucks on that fatty!

Roy Nelsons a decent fighter but Rothwell beat him in the same way that Arlovski beat Rothwell. MMA doesnt work but you were taking a risk putting money on Nelson.

Agreeing with Miller here. Why would anyone be shocked that Kimbo lost? Have you seen who he's fought? Alright let's examine. First, there was Bo Cantrell. This guy is a joke. He's 10-11! Yes, he's finished all of his fights but he's also been beat more than he's won. He lost to a guy named Basatini, who's 9-19! Then, Kimbo beat Tank Abbott. Tank is what I would call a fat joke. 9-14 record and he's damn pathetic. After those two fights, he fought James Thompson, who is mediocre at best.

Now, Kimbo fought Seth, who I think is actually pretty decent and has excellent KO power. Seth, is in my opinion, a middle level fighter. Now that the EliteXC's poster boy was destroyed, I think they're in trouble. They were trying to feed Kimbo a legend who is clearly way past his prime.

If it is true that they denied Frank Shamrock, I wonder why. :P Frank would probably have destroyed him as well. He has a fairly decent reputation of being a good fighter. Ken is probably one of the best fighters ever but he's washed up.. HUGE. I love how EliteXC underestimated Seth though. In their FACE!

Spot on. Except your missing that even Thompson exposed Kimbo and they used Seth because he was probably most well known to the fans and they could say Kimbo vs UFC veteran. The excuse for not allowing Frank would have been that hes a middleweight but for sure hed destroy Kimbo, Frank is a top level middleweight.

[Mustkill9]

All I know is that Kelly Kobold clearly won round 2, and 2 of the judges gave all 3 rounds to Carano. (I was messing with a big bag of Boston Market in the other room so I missed round 1.) I don't want to say the fight was rigged. But the judges had to be biased by Carano's charisma, and Kobold's lack thereof.

For you trivia guy's out there, Kelly Kobold looks like a goblin. According to dictionary.com, the definition of kobold is:
nounDefinition: in German folklore, a haunting spirit, gnome, or goblin
In middle high German Kobold translates directly to goblin.
And in Dungeons and Dragons, kobolds are like the weakest, nastiest little monsters. (Not that I play that.):)

Is it any surprise these male judges gave round 2 to Carano, the American hero? I shouldn't call her American hero, but that's how they're selling her.

[Adam Miller]

All I know is that Kelly Kobold clearly won round 2, and 2 of the judges gave all 3 rounds to Carano. (I was messing with a big bag of Boston Market in the other room so I missed round 1.) I don't want to say the fight was rigged. But the judges had to be biased by Carano's charisma, and Kobold's lack thereof.

For you trivia guy's out there, Kelly Kobold looks like a goblin. According to dictionary.com, the definition of kobold is:
nounDefinition: in German folklore, a haunting spirit, gnome, or goblin
In middle high German Kobold translates directly to goblin.
And in Dungeons and Dragons, kobolds are like the weakest, nastiest little monsters. (Not that I play that.):)

Is it any surprise these male judges gave round 2 to Carano, the American hero? I shouldn't call her American hero, but that's how they're selling her.

Your not alone, i thought Kobold won round 2 as well but i would give round 1 to Carano but it was close. Wither way its a unanimous decision. Anyone see Gina strip at the weigh ins? Id let her gain mount for sure.

[Mustkill9]

OK I'm in a bad mood now. I just went to Yahoo's home page, and the page is dominated by a picture of Kimbo Slice (the only picture on the page), and in big letters it says "Kimbo exposed as farce." Under that it says
A 14-second KO means the curtains have closed on Kimbo Slice, writes Dan Wetzel. » Legend shattered (http://www.yahoo.com/s/965487)

Give me a friggin break. Who is Dan Wetzel blowing that he can be that much of a moron, and have his writing on the front page of Yahoo? I'm not even a Kimbo fan at all, but to use this kind of language to describe Kimbo for his loss, shows a complete misunderstanding of MMA. It makes me sick.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Yeah, but you have to understand that EliteXC has been riding on Kimbo. Seth was considered a very mediocre UFC fighter. EliteXC has been trying to set up fights for Kimbo to plow through. They underestimated Seth and their posterboy was destroyed in 14 SECONDS! That ultimately makes everyone think Kimbo is a fraud. I'm not sure when Seth was notified but I'm getting the jist that it was the same day as the fight. That makes Kimbo look even worse. Even worse is that Kimbo tried to grapple with the REF! Kimbo just looked terrible dude. So bad.

Now, the ratings for this EliteXC fight were pretty damn good. That's what EliteXC wanted. Now I'm wondering how they will fare when they live on a big channel (since this one was on CBS).

Also, Gina is so much hotter than Kelly. haha

[Mustkill9]

Yeah, but you have to understand that EliteXC has been riding on Kimbo. Seth was considered a very mediocre UFC fighter. EliteXC has been trying to set up fights for Kimbo to plow through. They underestimated Seth and their posterboy was destroyed in 14 SECONDS! That ultimately makes everyone think Kimbo is a fraud. I'm not sure when Seth was notified but I'm getting the jist that it was the same day as the fight. That makes Kimbo look even worse. Even worse is that Kimbo tried to grapple with the REF! Kimbo just looked terrible dude. So bad.

Now, the ratings for this EliteXC fight were pretty damn good. That's what EliteXC wanted. Now I'm wondering how they will fare when they live on a big channel (since this one was on CBS).

Also, Gina is so much hotter than Kelly. haha

Yeah you know why I was upset though. Nobody is a fraud after getting caught and KOed in 1 MMA fight. That's ridiculous, and actually one of the coaches just explained this on episode 3 of TUF. "If you've never been caught, you just haven't been fighting strong competition long enough."

[Adam Miller]

Yeah, but you have to understand that EliteXC has been riding on Kimbo. Seth was considered a very mediocre UFC fighter. EliteXC has been trying to set up fights for Kimbo to plow through. They underestimated Seth and their posterboy was destroyed in 14 SECONDS! That ultimately makes everyone think Kimbo is a fraud. I'm not sure when Seth was notified but I'm getting the jist that it was the same day as the fight. That makes Kimbo look even worse. Even worse is that Kimbo tried to grapple with the REF! Kimbo just looked terrible dude. So bad.

Now, the ratings for this EliteXC fight were pretty damn good. That's what EliteXC wanted. Now I'm wondering how they will fare when they live on a big channel (since this one was on CBS).

Also, Gina is so much hotter than Kelly. haha

Seth was meant to fight Alex Rosa that night and got offered to switch. I wonder if Rosa got paid...

Legend exposed? I can understand what you mean by you don't get exposed losing one fight but calling him a legend is more wrong in my mind...

[PerpetualHeaven]

Yeah you know why I was upset though. Nobody is a fraud after getting caught and KOed in 1 MMA fight. That's ridiculous, and actually one of the coaches just explained this on episode 3 of TUF. "If you've never been caught, you just haven't been fighting strong competition long enough."

I feel you but Seth is now getting it in his head that people will start recognizing his name again. So, Seth beating Kimbo has blew his ego to a fairly disgusting size. I was reading the article on Sherdog.com. Initially he was a talent yet he never "lived" up to it. Now that he's beat Kimbo, he thinks his name will get back out there.

I don't think Kimbo is completely done for. He'll leave from this and learn but he's OLD. 34 years old is not very young for MMA. Not everyone is Randy Couture who, by the way, is a freak of nature. So, lets hope Kimbo realizes he's not a god and that for him to continue being the poster boy for EliteXC, he needs to WIN against decent competition.

One more thing! Anyone see Tito? He's looking into EliteXC. He's so washed up.

[Adam Miller]

I feel you but Seth is now getting it in his head that people will start recognizing his name again. So, Seth beating Kimbo has blew his ego to a fairly disgusting size. I was reading the article on Sherdog.com. Initially he was a talent yet he never "lived" up to it. Now that he's beat Kimbo, he thinks his name will get back out there.

I don't think Kimbo is completely done for. He'll leave from this and learn but he's OLD. 34 years old is not very young for MMA. Not everyone is Randy Couture who, by the way, is a freak of nature. So, lets hope Kimbo realizes he's not a god and that for him to continue being the poster boy for EliteXC, he needs to WIN against decent competition.

One more thing! Anyone see Tito? He's looking into EliteXC. He's so washed up.

I dont think Titos top level at the moment neither but think about it he beat the current ufc LHW champ and drew because of appoint deduction with the guy fighting for the title...

As for Kimbo no hes not completely done and they will probably try to make the Ken Shamrock fight happen leading up to a rematch to get as many viewers as they can. This loss though will stop a lot of people caring. They tried to build him and hes training properly so respect to him but hes nowhere near top and wont ever be.

[SabreOscar]

You make a great point about Tito. He might not be top of the line LHW anymore but he is one of the most recognizable MMA fighters in the world. Him joining Elitie will give there organization a little more credibility where they are in need of Big Names. IMO the best fighter they have on thier roster is Nick Diaz. Robbie Lawler is thier Middlewieght champ and he was destroyed by Diaz.

[duckydan]

Been a while since I logged in... First Kimbo definately got beat. He was out of it when he got up. That said did anyone read the report that the owner of EliteXC was yelling at the ref "Illegal hit" when Kimbo went down claiming that Seth was hitting the back of the head to halt the fight to give Kimbo a chance to recover? Amazing... though the company had all of their eggs in that basket.

With being upset about the article on Yahoo I'm more upset that they called him a Legend... calling Shamrock a Legend is right. Calling Couture a legend is accurate. Calling Kimbo a legend is like calling Carrot Top a great actor.

Lastly on Tito... I don't think we'll see him sign with EliteXC... he's probably using it as a bargaining chip against Dana to get more money. Signing with Elite would be the worst move in his career.

[PerpetualHeaven]

I dont think Titos top level at the moment neither but think about it he beat the current ufc LHW champ and drew because of appoint deduction with the guy fighting for the title...


True but he beat Griffin 2 years ago, which is a long time and it was in a split decision fashion. I think in a rematch, Griffin would take it hands down. Also, he hasn't beat anyone decent since he beat Griffin. He beat Shamrock twice in the same year! Since then, he tied Evans (and I think in a rematch, he would destroy Tito), TKO'd by Liddell, and lost to Machida.

Regardless, I can't deny that he was once one of the best LHW and he is probably the most recognizable MMA fighter. He'll definitely bring in the dough for EliteXC if he does decide to sign with them.

hes training properly so respect to him

Bas Rutten is the man. He's such an excellent fighter and I would have thought Kimbo would have been more prepared. I'm not going to blame Rutten for Kimbo's mistakes though. I just would have assumed Kimbo woudl have been a more intelligent fighter considering Rutten is on a winning streak of 22.

Lastly on Tito... I don't think we'll see him sign with EliteXC... he's probably using it as a bargaining chip against Dana to get more money. Signing with Elite would be the worst move in his career.

I'm pretty sure Dana does not like Tito; so we'll probably see big money heading Tito's way from EliteXC.

[Adam Miller]

Yeh i dont think Titos top competition but im just saying when you look at those two wins he can be promotoed by anyone to say "who holds wins offer the ufc champ and the number 1 contender" and he did almost pull off a trianble against Machida. When it comes to El Guapooooooo he was training Kimbo for Ken Shamrock dont forget...i bet the training was exclusively wrestling and grappling, specifically leg locks.As for Tito he is talking with everyone and hell probably get more money from Affliction but with EliteXC more people will see him and he could become champ alot easier. So a 3 fight deal in a year with EliteXC could be smart first. He is also possibly coming back to the ufc but not dealing with Dana but with Lorenzo.
Why is it not let me put lines in between the text??

[SabreOscar]

"I knew I would do all right with him actually standing up," Petruzelli said on the radio show. "The promoters kinda hinted to me, and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him. They didn't want me to take him down. Let's just put it that way. It was worth my while to stand up and try to punch him."

http://www.sportsline.com/mma/story/11014132


Thats a quote from a Interview Seth did after beating Kimbo. Its being denied as a false statement but it makes you wonder about Elite.

[Adam Miller]

Sethns saying it was twisted out of context: http://sherdog.com/news/news/elitexc-denies-paying-petruzelli-to-stand-14673Anyone seen that gif of Gary Shaw son going mental shouting at the ref while Kimbo was geting punished? I have, and everyone wonders about EliteXC.

[Mustkill9]

2 people here said they were upset about Kimbo being called a legend. That actually didn't bother me about the Yahoo article.

The definition of legend is "a nonhistorical or unverifiable story handed down by tradition from earlier times and popularly accepted as historical." There are other definitions of the word that define a legend as a very accomplished person with no mystery about them, but they are less appropriate uses of the word legend.

The fact is Kimbo IS a legend under definition 1 of legend. If you know about Kimbo, there a bunch of "unverifiable stories" of "one time Kimbo..." and "when Kimbo was 12 years old..."

So the only true fighting legends I can name are Kimbo, Mike Tyson, and Mike Vallely from Jackass.:p

[duckydan]

Sethns saying it was twisted out of context: http://sherdog.com/news/news/elitexc-denies-paying-petruzelli-to-stand-14673Anyone seen that gif of Gary Shaw son going mental shouting at the ref while Kimbo was geting punished? I have, and everyone wonders about EliteXC.

It was great seeing him yell. As I think I said earlier he was screaming "Illegal hit" and "Back of the head" He was probably wishing he didn't pay Kimbo close to twice the agreed amount to face someone other than Shamrock.

[Adam Miller]

It was great seeing him yell. As I think I said earlier he was screaming "Illegal hit" and "Back of the head" He was probably wishing he didn't pay Kimbo close to twice the agreed amount to face someone other than Shamrock.

Yeh 500k he got...and Seth got 50k including the win bonus. Kimbo is far from a legend.

[SabreOscar]

500k for 14seconds?

I need to upload some of my streetfights on youtube and hope Elite comes calling for me.

[Mustkill9]

I waited for England to have a chance to see The Ultimate Fighter, because they see episodes on the weekend. (That's still true right? What day is it on?)

Why did Dana White give Junie another chance? Junie's actions were ridiculous. It sets such an awful precedence. Dana White has been consistant up to this point in being firm against bad behavior. Granted, he can do whatever he wants, but now everybody that messes up is going to be justified in saying "I didn't do half of what Junie did."

And Junie is such a loser, he showed no respect for his second chance. I can't stand him.

The only thing I wonder is if White was feeling like crap that day, and just didn't have the energy to do what he had to do. Because his voice sounded like he was sick, and that does take energy to stand there in front of 16 people who are hanging on your every word and a camera crew.

[Adam Miller]

I waited for England to have a chance to see The Ultimate Fighter, because they see episodes on the weekend. (That's still true right? What day is it on?)

Why did Dana White give Junie another chance? Junie's actions were ridiculous. It sets such an awful precedence. Dana White has been consistant up to this point in being firm against bad behavior. Granted, he can do whatever he wants, but now everybody that messes up is going to be justified in saying "I didn't do half of what Junie did."

And Junie is such a loser, he showed no respect for his second chance. I can't stand him.

The only thing I wonder is if White was feeling like crap that day, and just didn't have the energy to do what he had to do. Because his voice sounded like he was sick, and that does take energy to stand there in front of 16 people who are hanging on your every word and a camera crew.

Thursday its on now. :) Last week that si so you see it on the Wednesday and we do Thursday right? The rights to the show have been bought over here it used to be on Bravo and the live shows were on the next day but now we get Ultimate Fighter a day late and the ufcs live!

What do you think of Sanchez gettin injured and Koscheck stepping in? I still think the winner will get a shot at the title and maybe the loser will fight Sanchez for a title shot after that.

2 UFC weekends in a row, roll it on.

[Mustkill9]

Thursday its on now. :) Last week that si so you see it on the Wednesday and we do Thursday right? The rights to the show have been bought over here it used to be on Bravo and the live shows were on the next day but now we get Ultimate Fighter a day late and the ufcs live!

What do you think of Sanchez gettin injured and Koscheck stepping in? I still think the winner will get a shot at the title and maybe the loser will fight Sanchez for a title shot after that.

2 UFC weekends in a row, roll it on.

Sanchez must be pissed, his biggest rival gets to fight in his place. Nobody probably remembers, but I was really high on Koscheck until he lost to St Pierre. I thought Koscheck was going to be champion quickly. Now I feel like his only chance to ever beat St Pierre is to come at him like Serra did- the only problem is St Pierre is better now, and guarding against that.

If anybody needs to know how good St Pierre's ground game is, watch how he dominated Koscheck. Who else can dominate Koscheck on the ground like that?

TUF is on Wednesday night here.

Anderson Silva -800 over Patrick Cote. I've never seen higher than -600 before in UFC.

[IMAMEX]

Sanchez must be pissed, his biggest rival gets to fight in his place. Nobody probably remembers, but I was really high on Koscheck until he lost to St Pierre. I thought Koscheck was going to be champion quickly. Now I feel like his only chance to ever beat St Pierre is to come at him like Serra did- the only problem is St Pierre is better now, and guarding against that.

If anybody needs to know how good St Pierre's ground game is, watch how he dominated Koscheck. Who else can dominate Koscheck on the ground like that?

TUF is on Wednesday night here.

Anderson Silva -800 over Patrick Cote. I've never seen higher than -600 before in UFC.

First off, I can't believe I missed this thread! MMA rules my life.


I think Koscheck vs. Alves proves to be a much different fight for Alves than what he was preparing for against Dirty. It should be interesting to see how Koscheck approaches Alves and I'd like to see him try and trade with him a bit first but I doubt he will. I really think that if Alves can cut the weight in time and not beat himself up too much in the process, he can pull off a late stoppage.

War Pitbull!

[PerpetualHeaven]

Sanchez must be pissed, his biggest rival gets to fight in his place. Nobody probably remembers, but I was really high on Koscheck until he lost to St Pierre. I thought Koscheck was going to be champion quickly. Now I feel like his only chance to ever beat St Pierre is to come at him like Serra did- the only problem is St Pierre is better now, and guarding against that.

If anybody needs to know how good St Pierre's ground game is, watch how he dominated Koscheck. Who else can dominate Koscheck on the ground like that?

TUF is on Wednesday night here.

Anderson Silva -800 over Patrick Cote. I've never seen higher than -600 before in UFC.

Patrick Cote is going to get killed. I don't even get how he received a title shot. I don't think he's beat anyone even worth mentioning. R.I.P. Patrick Cote!

Anyways, anyone excited to see the Pit Bull KO Kos in round 2? I am!

[IMAMEX]

Patrick Cote is going to get killed. I don't even get how he received a title shot. I don't think he's beat anyone even worth mentioning. R.I.P. Patrick Cote!

Anyways, anyone excited to see the Pit Bull KO Kos in round 2? I am!

lol that's what I'm hoping. Late rd. 2 stoppage for Alves.

About Cote, that was another one of those planned No. 1 contender fights that went awry. Remember when Cro Cop was supposed to steamroll through the HW division and they set him up against Gonzaga so he could have some momentum going into the championship fight against Couture? The same thing happened here.

They were basically grooming Big Dog Almeida to get the next title shot but he blew it and lost to Cote so they had to give Cote a title shot.

If you think about it, the same basic thing happened to Kampmann on his first real test since coming back from his knee injury. No one expected Nate Marquadt to strike the way he did and he basically ruined to possibility of Anderson vs. Kampmann. It's all good though, this shake up really makes the 185 division that much more interesting. Now if only they can get Filho to sign to fight anderson...

[Adam Miller]

I dont like Koscheck and he is rated way too highly by most. I think his game plan is going to be predictable...and Alves' wont change much.

Imame x i told about this thread when you messaged me about Aleks. :)

My mates cage rage opponent has got injured and there hoping to find a replacement before it is scrapt...and my brothers amateur boxing debut is Nov 8th. Tuf 9 try outs in 6 days. :)

Also i am completely going for Anderson but really guys at this level anyone can win its MMA if Anderson takes one on the chin it could get interesting.

Fedor v Arlovski January. Can Arlovski use straight boxing against Fedors striking style.

[Mustkill9]

Tuf 9 try outs in 6 days. :)


I'd like to hear what that's like. What do they make you do and stuff. I've seen an application for an older season, and the main thing they wanted to know is your MMA record, specifically your last 3 fights, who they were against and where. They also want to know where your training history. You are going right?

[IMAMEX]

I dont like Koscheck and he is rated way too highly by most. I think his game plan is going to be predictable...and Alves' wont change much.

Imame x i told about this thread when you messaged me about Aleks. :)

My mates cage rage opponent has got injured and there hoping to find a replacement before it is scrapt...and my brothers amateur boxing debut is Nov 8th. Tuf 9 try outs in 6 days. :)

Also i am completely going for Anderson but really guys at this level anyone can win its MMA if Anderson takes one on the chin it could get interesting.

Fedor v Arlovski January. Can Arlovski use straight boxing against Fedors striking style.

Soz I must have missed that. TUF 9 will be US vs. UK no? that should be interesting. I might actually start watching that show again.

No disrespect to Anderson but I remember his tenure in Pride and when he first came into the UFC, I was impressed but still expected some holes in his game to ultimately be exploited. That has not been the case so far. The end all came when he stopped Hendo for me. I couldn't believe it and now I really don't see anyone aside from maybe Filho or Cung Le posing a threat to him. Even still, Cote seems to have a rock solid chin so it should be more interesting of a matchup than we are giving it credit.

As far as your Fedor vs. AA question. No. He cannot. Fedor Rd. 1 TKO

[Adam Miller]

I'd like to hear what that's like. What do they make you do and stuff. I've seen an application for an older season, and the main thing they wanted to know is your MMA record, specifically your last 3 fights, who they were against and where. They also want to know where your training history. You are going right?

Yeh definately but my chances are nto great... They expect a couple fo thousand people. I wish this opportunity came aorund in like 3 years. I wanna video a lot of it. My Dad thought there was gonna be like a tournemnt to decide who gets in...bless him.

I dont think Cung Le or Filho pose a threat and Filho and Silva will not fight theyve both said it, even with the WEC LHW and MW divisions coming over. I would like to see Anderson and Manhoef stand up and maybe Frank Shamrock or Gegard Mousasi. Theres still some competitive fights for Anderson and he wants Okami when hes not injured.

Who is Yoshida gonna fight now Koschecks gone does anyone know? They gonna wait for Karo?

[IMAMEX]

Yeh definately but my chances are nto great... They expect a couple fo thousand people. I wish this opportunity came aorund in like 3 years. I wanna video a lot of it. My Dad thought there was gonna be like a tournemnt to decide who gets in...bless him.

I dont think Cung Le or Filho pose a threat and Filho and Silva will not fight theyve both said it, even with the WEC LHW and MW divisions coming over. I would like to see Anderson and Manhoef stand up and maybe Frank Shamrock or Gegard Mousasi. Theres still some competitive fights for Anderson and he wants Okami when hes not injured.

Who is Yoshida gonna fight now Koschecks gone does anyone know? They gonna wait for Karo?

Seems Yoshida is still fighting Kos!


"Apparently, Koscheck is still on, as he wants to do both fights," said Hirata. "If he gets injured [in the Alves fight], it may be Sanchez. That's what I was informed from the UFC."

[Adam Miller]

Seems Yoshida is still fighting Kos!

Thats pretty sweet... War Alves then Yoshida....:)

[Mustkill9]

I'm very disappointed in this season's Ultimate Fighter show. They're only 3 fights into the show, and it's been a war messing with each other's beds and personal belongings. And it's all that guy Kristov's fault or whatever his name is. These guys need to get their sleep.

And Dana White is losing me here. Whatever, keep Junie around. But White knows all about what's going on in the house and with a smile on his face he's like "this should be interesting. We'll see what happens."

What's happening is the entire basis of the show is getting destroyed because nobody can lock their door. And the way you get revenge on somebody is to sabotage them. Which is simple when you have 100% access to their stuff, and they're gone for a few hours. This is going way downhill, and I assume White thinks it's good for ratings.

[Adam Miller]

There just exactly the same guys each season its getting a bit boring... Nog demands respect and Mir is happy for them to mess around. Looks like Mir gets involved in the mind games next week questioning that guys black belt asking who he got it under lol. I thought it was funny id said your mum....gave her a rear naked poke and then celebrated by letting her gain mount while i tried propping up or something just to see Mirs reaction..

As for Jnie he has some problems but he gets to the final im sure because of videos now removed of him saying he did well... He has something wrong though maybe childhood because his brothers the same..but i think his brothers the better fighter.

[Mustkill9]

If somebody effected my sleep the night before I fought, I'd be on a rampage. Even that first crap where they siran wrapped that guy's stuff the day before he fought might have been enough to set me off. I wouldn't be storming around the house though.

I'd be spending my free time figuring out how to mess with the other team the night before they fight. I would be so nasty the situation would have to be addressed. I would be ordering insects, blood... AND I would be totally justified because by effecting my sleep, they lowered my chance for success on something I've devoted my life to. So you see what I'm saying about this situation on the show?

[PerpetualHeaven]

Junie is kept around for one reason and one reason only: Because people actually think he's a good fighter. Either that or they really want to see him get destroyed! I really want someone to just KTFO of him. Such a dick.

[Adam Miller]

Junie is kept around for one reason and one reason only: Because people actually think he's a good fighter. Either that or they really want to see him get destroyed! I really want someone to just KTFO of him. Such a dick.

Yeh same situation with CB last year but he didnt do anything wrong..Junie wont get beat yet tough thats the sad thing...

Yeh i think messing around is ok unless it affects the fights such as sleep the night before or something but anything else i would be game for.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Nogueira is one of the most respected and efficient fighters in all of MMA. I can't believe the amount of disrespect he received. It actually killed me inside seeing how much disrespect there is. He's no damn Mir. Mir is nobody to me. Nogueira is the epitome of incredible skill. Fighters these days have no respect. It's actually pretty damn sad.

[Mustkill9]

Nogueira is one of the most respected and efficient fighters in all of MMA. I can't believe the amount of disrespect he received. It actually killed me inside seeing how much disrespect there is. He's no damn Mir. Mir is nobody to me. Nogueira is the epitome of incredible skill. Fighters these days have no respect. It's actually pretty damn sad.

Fighters are not known for their intelligence. That said, these guys don't understand how expendable they are. Just like White said to Jesse last season after he went on the drunk rampage: "You are a reality show star, not a UFC fighter."

People who can sort of fight are almost as common as people who can sort of sing, and people who can sort of act. 1 out of 100 of the top people make it. These people better do a lot right, AND get really lucky if they intend to get anywhere in their industry.

Basically my point is that we can relax about the fighters' disrespect a little- because the fact is we are watching a bunch of losers. What should we expect out of losers? These people are going back to average lives at best after the show is over. Well that's my opinion.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Sure but listen to them when they discuss being in the UFC. How can you dream that big and hate on Nogueira? I don't care if Mir was my coach; I would listen to Nogueira still and show him respect. I would expect that kind of attitude from someone who's very ignorant about MMA. Sure they may be losers, but they all show heart and want to be somewhere beyond their shitty lives. I'm just saying though. If I ever were in that house, I sure as hell would treat Nogueira like a god.

[duckydan]

I haven't had much to say about this season's TUF... it's not been very interesting at all. I liked the respect the guys had for each other in the first season and some of the seasons after. Last season I was wishing someone would throw CB off the balcony and this season he's giving them way too much of a leash. He kicked Jessie off for being half the douche that Junie is being and Junie hasn't even won a match yet!

Also, in other news... Kimbo Slice is now homeless again:

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6607230.html?nid=4262

"Mixed Martial Arts company Elite XC will shut its doors at the end of the year, according to executives close to the company.

The Elite XC franchise, formed in 2006 by Showtime Networks and Pro Elite to compete with the Ultimate Fighting Championship in the MMA events ring, has had one of the highest profiles in the MMA business with several of its matches televised by CBS Sports. But Yahoo! Sports reported that the organization lost more than $55 million in its two years (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Au5MBSu1boHwxDDFJvPB_gE5nYcB?slug=dm-elitexc102008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)) of operation. It was unclear what, if any role, the controversial 14-second knockout of heavyweight Kimbo Slice (http://www.fandome.com/video/104718/Kimbo-Slice-Loses-in-14-seconds-To-Seth-Petruzelli/) on an Oct. 4 card presented by CBS (http://www.zimbio.com/Kimbo+vs+Mercer+Fight/articles/150/Kimbo+Slice+Loses+14+Seconds+Replacement+Petruzell i) had on the decision.
The demise of Elite XC, along with the International Fight League earlier this year, leaves the Ultimate Fighting Championship with few challengers to its dominating position within the MMA genre.
An official announcement on Elite XC’s closing is expected later today, according to sources. "

[Mustkill9]

I haven't had much to say about this season's TUF... it's not been very interesting at all. I liked the respect the guys had for each other in the first season and some of the seasons after. Last season I was wishing someone would throw CB off the balcony and this season he's giving them way too much of a leash. He kicked Jessie off for being half the douche that Junie is being and Junie hasn't even won a match yet!

Also, in other news... Kimbo Slice is now homeless again:

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6607230.html?nid=4262

"Mixed Martial Arts company Elite XC will shut its doors at the end of the year, according to executives close to the company.

The Elite XC franchise, formed in 2006 by Showtime Networks and Pro Elite to compete with the Ultimate Fighting Championship in the MMA events ring, has had one of the highest profiles in the MMA business with several of its matches televised by CBS Sports. But Yahoo! Sports reported that the organization lost more than $55 million in its two years (http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news;_ylt=Au5MBSu1boHwxDDFJvPB_gE5nYcB?slug=dm-elitexc102008&prov=yhoo&type=lgns))of operation. It was unclear what, if any role, the controversial 14-second knockout of heavyweight Kimbo Slice (http://www.fandome.com/video/104718/Kimbo-Slice-Loses-in-14-seconds-To-Seth-Petruzelli/) on an Oct. 4 card presented by CBS (http://www.zimbio.com/Kimbo+vs+Mercer+Fight/articles/150/Kimbo+Slice+Loses+14+Seconds+Replacement+Petruzell i) had on the decision.
The demise of Elite XC, along with the International Fight League earlier this year, leaves the Ultimate Fighting Championship with few challengers to its dominating position within the MMA genre.
An official announcement on Elite XC’s closing is expected later today, according to sources. "

They lost more than 55 million dollars in 2 years? How did people who are this stupid get that much money? They must have inherited it. I mean, they know how much they're getting for tickets and their TV deal, they know how much it costs to rent the venue. I guess you can't afford to pay these fighters that much money huh guys? This is high school economics.

I actually find this hard to believe and wonder if someone isn't doing some kind of reverse money laundering, pretending they lost more money than they did here (to protect another investment that they want to keep looking good.)

As for Jesse compared to Junie, I believe Jesse was worse so far. Jesse went out into Vegas kicking out a window, shouting how he's a UFC fighter, and drunkenly harassing women. He might have touched them too, I don't remember. At least Junie was contained to the house.

[duckydan]

As for Jesse compared to Junie, I believe Jesse was worse so far. Jesse went out into Vegas kicking out a window, shouting how he's a UFC fighter, and drunkenly harassing women. He might have touched them too, I don't remember. At least Junie was contained to the house.

True but Jessie was fairly calm while in the house. Imagine Junie makes it to the finals or even higher that he wins the show and gets set out on his own... now potential millionaire. I doubt he'd act calmer with his new found spotlight. Forrest Griffin said during an interview last month that he found it hard to accept the attention after he won season 1... the UFC now gets more media attention so I definately don't see him cleaning his act up now.

[Mustkill9]

Mir's team is about to start practicing with the snorkels (that make it so you can only breathe through your mouth.) I was extremely against this method in previous posts. I don't feel like I convinced anybody how wrong it is. Since then I thought of another great reason why this is bad.

When you're fighting, you need to be biting down on your mouthpiece as hard as you can, pretty much. Even in a street fight, you need to keep your mouth tightly shut. It makes your chin and jaw much more solid- if you get hit in the chin with your mouth open, you probably are going to lose the fight on that punch. So how can they train fighters to breathe through their mouths?

EDIT: The old reason I had was basically that bodies cannot be properly oxygenated by mouth breathing, which is scientific fact. I also further believed that they were leading the brain to subconciously start breathing through the mouth during actual fights, keeping you with less oxygen.

[NumberUno]

The pay-per-view last night was definatly not the best I have seen. Anyone else see it?

What a major let down in the title fight, but you gotta love "the spider" Silva staying the champ!

The pitbull gave Josh K some major charley horses :p

[MEA7HOOK]

I thought it was a good card, up until the main event. I was glad to see Sherk finally fight someone who didn't have a ridiculous reach advantage. Him and Griffin were going at it, striking instead of trying to out-wrestle each other. It was also nice to see Werdum get put down with such a vicious knockout - I thought his last few fights were boring.
At least Koschek went the distance - Hughes didn't make it out of the first round with Alves.
But the main fight was a HUGE disappointment. I understand that Silva was trying to throw Cote off of his game, but I've never seen him dance around like an idiot before.
Lost a little faith in the sport after that fight.

[Mustkill9]

I'm probably part of only 1% of the population who thinks this. But I thought that was awesome when Cote just went down out of nowhere. It was great watching Cote going "I'm so sorry. I can't believe this happened." And watching Silva walking around acting like he's thinking the same thing. I just wish it would have happened in the first round.

I'm not a Cote fan, or a French fan in general though. When it happened to Manny G I wasn't happy to see it.

[IMAMEX]

It seems like Anderson was counting on fucking with Cote the entire 5 rounds and that's why he was taking it easy. When Cote went down with that nasty ACL tear, it just made him look like an asshole who was dancing around like a tool. Props to Cote for taking some vicious shots and smiling it off. Too bad that he'll probably never get a rematch.

[SabreOscar]

Heres hoping we never see another performance like that from Silva. Alves is a beast, if GSP gets past Penn I would love to see that fight as I think Alves can knock him out.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Mir's team is about to start practicing with the snorkels (that make it so you can only breathe through your mouth.) I was extremely against this method in previous posts. I don't feel like I convinced anybody how wrong it is. Since then I thought of another great reason why this is bad.

When you're fighting, you need to be biting down on your mouthpiece as hard as you can, pretty much. Even in a street fight, you need to keep your mouth tightly shut. It makes your chin and jaw much more solid- if you get hit in the chin with your mouth open, you probably are going to lose the fight on that punch. So how can they train fighters to breathe through their mouths?

EDIT: The old reason I had was basically that bodies cannot be properly oxygenated by mouth breathing, which is scientific fact. I also further believed that they were leading the brain to subconciously start breathing through the mouth during actual fights, keeping you with less oxygen.

I thought about this a lot and this would only be bad if he began to breathe through his mouth all the time. First, we're assuming if these guys are already breathing through their noses. Majority of the population breathes through their mouths into their chest. It's supposed to be through their nose into their stomach. Air going into the chest is just as bad as breathing only through your mouth.

Now, the point of this tranining, and this is only a theory, is similar to high altitude training. When you train heavy, rarely anyone can breath through the nose. Breathing through the mouth generally points to someone reaching their cardiovascular limit. When you add the snorkel, you're cutting off a lot of air all together. Remove the nose and most of the mouth, and you have oxygen restriction. What they're trying to do is help the athletes run on minimal oxygen. This is only bad if it's something that constantly happens throughout the entire day. Since training for this type is probably only 30-60 minutes long, then the abnormal effects you have listed cannot be prominent.

[Mustkill9]

I thought about this a lot and this would only be bad if he began to breathe through his mouth all the time. First, we're assuming if these guys are already breathing through their noses. Majority of the population breathes through their mouths into their chest. It's supposed to be through their nose into their stomach. Air going into the chest is just as bad as breathing only through your mouth.

Now, the point of this tranining, and this is only a theory, is similar to high altitude training. When you train heavy, rarely anyone can breath through the nose. Breathing through the mouth generally points to someone reaching their cardiovascular limit. When you add the snorkel, you're cutting off a lot of air all together. Remove the nose and most of the mouth, and you have oxygen restriction. What they're trying to do is help the athletes run on minimal oxygen. This is only bad if it's something that constantly happens throughout the entire day. Since training for this type is probably only 30-60 minutes long, then the abnormal effects you have listed cannot be prominent.

I've basically said my piece about this topic. Something to consider based on what you just said is the Denver Broncos. They consistantly have great seasons at home where the other team can't breathe, because of the altitude. But what happens every time they have an away game? The Broncos are usually about 2-6 on the road, even when they reach the playoffs- and this stat goes back decades.

Also, you know what the difference is between Peyton Manning and Eli Manning? If you look carefully Eli is always breathing through his mouth. This is probably why Peyton puts up such better stats! :)

[Mustkill9]

In the last episode of The Ultimate Fighter, one of the teams ate a fruit bowl that had 4 people's urine in it. And you know how absorbent watermelon chunks are.

That team then got together and put sperm on sushi. And the guy who ate it can't even say anything, because he was stealing somebody else's food! I can't believe what I watched in this episode. The guy who ate the sperm was actually fighting this episode, and he lost really badly (to the kid from New York City that Dana White called the next Anderson Silva, Phillipe Nover. I don't think so, but I'd love to see it.)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=mmajunkie-Team_Nogueira_blog_TUF8_episode_No_8&prov=mmajunkie&type=lgns That's the story as told by Ryan Bader, one of the fighters on the show. It's a bit long, but it's a crazy story. (And I basically just summed it up)

You guys might want to check out this show if you're not already watching it. Who knows what's going to happen next?

[bros1337]

Sure but listen to them when they discuss being in the UFC. How can you dream that big and hate on Nogueira? I don't care if Mir was my coach; I would listen to Nogueira still and show him respect. I would expect that kind of attitude from someone who's very ignorant about MMA. Sure they may be losers, but they all show heart and want to be somewhere beyond their shitty lives. I'm just saying though. If I ever were in that house, I sure as hell would treat Nogueira like a god.
Thats Prolly because you have a Fighter spirit/attitude wich seems to be missing in TUF and i gave up watching TUF after the second season just started to watch cuz i read that Minotauro was one of the coaches this season.
latest EP was nasty i know its a US/TV show but cmon keep it to MMA not a soap comedy with eeeew just think about the fruits i get vomit feelings

ps.
Who else is excited about lessnar VS couture?

[PerpetualHeaven]

In the last episode of The Ultimate Fighter, one of the teams ate a fruit bowl that had 4 people's urine in it. And you know how absorbent watermelon chunks are.

That team then got together and put sperm on sushi. And the guy who ate it can't even say anything, because he was stealing somebody else's food! I can't believe what I watched in this episode. The guy who ate the sperm was actually fighting this episode, and he lost really badly (to the kid from New York City that Dana White called the next Anderson Silva, Phillipe Nover. I don't think so, but I'd love to see it.)

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=mmajunkie-Team_Nogueira_blog_TUF8_episode_No_8&prov=mmajunkie&type=lgns That's the story as told by Ryan Bader, one of the fighters on the show. It's a bit long, but it's a crazy story. (And I basically just summed it up)

You guys might want to check out this show if you're not already watching it. Who knows what's going to happen next?

I laughed when Kaplan, even after he was dominated in every aspect of the game, said he was better than Norver in every aspect of the game. Norver has some mean power. I think he's really good but not the next Anderson Silva. BJ Penn will own the lightweight division until he retires. He has the most functional BJJ in MMA and I think his power is phenomenal.

[Adam Miller]

GUESS WHOS BACK........BACK AGAIN

After moving and stufff i been really busy but i should be back on properly now so back to talking MMA on a xbox site :woop:

Brother won his first amateur boxing bout btw.

I cant wait for ufc 91. Im feeling Randy on this one......;) gonna go Stevenson as well and UFC 92 well... its a late christmas present.

I cant be asked going over MMA sites for info so can anyone fill me in on where all the ELITE XC talent is going and if Cage Rage is being sold? I havent got up to date on the ultimate fighter yet.

[Mustkill9]

GUESS WHOS BACK........BACK AGAIN

After moving and stufff i been really busy but i should be back on properly now so back to talking MMA on a xbox site :woop:

Brother won his first amateur boxing bout btw.

I cant wait for ufc 91. Im feeling Randy on this one......;) gonna go Stevenson as well and UFC 92 well... its a late christmas present.

I cant be asked going over MMA sites for info so can anyone fill me in on where all the ELITE XC talent is going and if Cage Rage is being sold? I havent got up to date on the ultimate fighter yet.

I don't follow anything except UFC and TUF, so I have no idea. I hear this guy Robert the Prodigal Son Wolfson is coming. No, never!

[Adam Miller]

Oh i forgot to mention about the tuf 9 tryouts well a couple of people who i know through other people got in and they eventually cut the 185 division...and went with 170 and 155 instead of 170 and 185 because of this wizkid lightweight. Check one of Danas blog it has a video on it. :)

[IMAMEX]

GUESS WHOS BACK........BACK AGAIN

After moving and stufff i been really busy but i should be back on properly now so back to talking MMA on a xbox site :woop:

Brother won his first amateur boxing bout btw.

I cant wait for ufc 91. Im feeling Randy on this one......;) gonna go Stevenson as well and UFC 92 well... its a late christmas present.

I cant be asked going over MMA sites for info so can anyone fill me in on where all the ELITE XC talent is going and if Cage Rage is being sold? I havent got up to date on the ultimate fighter yet.

I don't follow anything except UFC and TUF, so I have no idea. I hear this guy Robert the Prodigal Son Wolfson is coming. No, never!

MMA sites are cool. You just gotta find the right one for you. Mustkill you should really give other brands of MMA a chance. Have you heard of DREAM in Japan? They have amazing events. They're put on by the people who produced PRIDE FC. Anyway, most of the great fighters you see on the UFC have fought in other great org's (BJ Penn in K1, Nog was HW champ in Pride, Anderson Silva fought in Pride, Rampage fought Wanderlei Silva 2x in Pride, Brock Lesnar fought with K1, and the list goes on).


As for the Elitec XC talent, It seems everyone is waiting out their non-compete clause. I think it's something like 60 days. A few guys like Nick Diaz and Eddie Alvarez have clauses in their contracts that allow them to fight in Japan regardless of what happens here so that's a plus. There is a bit of a rumour floating around saying that Nick is coming back to the UFC so there's always that. Hope all this regurgitated info helps! I'm off to Vegas now for UFC 91!

[PerpetualHeaven]

I cant be asked going over MMA sites for info so can anyone fill me in on where all the ELITE XC talent is going and if Cage Rage is being sold? I havent got up to date on the ultimate fighter yet.

They're just going to start signing with other places. Here's a blog that explains it all:
http://ufcblogger.wordpress.com/2008/10/21/where-will-the-elitexc-fighters-land/

As for Cage Rage being sold, there has been nothing noted. So, for now, it seems like it won't be sold.

[Adam Miller]

Cheers for the info guys. :) I knew about Alvares and Diaz's contracts and i thought i heard a while ago that Lawler would come back to the UFC but no rumours on Shields or anything like that. Ill catch up on inside MMA and see if Bas mentions anything.

[PerpetualHeaven]

I can see Alvares being signed to UFC. Also, Feijao since he's probably the EliteXC's best fighter. Shields is highly probable as well. There is a lot of talent there that hasn't been utilized. I can see a lot of these guys going UFC.

[hopesfall2win]

If anyone can find a clip of the Jeremy Stephens huge knockout on Dos Anjos from UFC 91 please post it, that was freaking classic.

[Mustkill9]

Who here remembers me saying Brock Lesnar is going to quickly become UFC champion- before Lesnar even fought had his first MMA fight? Nobody else was predicting that one, across the internet.

I was also saying (before Lesnar fought) there will be a title fight between Kongo and Lesnar. The only thing I'm worried about messing up this great prediciton is Nogiera, who I expect to beat Mir, then maybe beating Lesnar. I don't think he's going to beat Lesnar, but I think Nogiera is by far the biggest threat to mess up my prediciton.

If I have to, I'll go back and find my quote, but you guys know how high I am on Lesnar and Kongo. I think Kongo totally screwed up-