Ultimate Fighting Championship/MMA

[Adam Miller]

Mmm im not to syched Sylvia and Silva win by TKO and its 77 Hostile Territory.

[PerpetualHeaven]

I'm late in this but my comments on UFC 76. Another upset PPV. This is insanity. Liddell losing, Shogun lost, Fitch beats Sanchez, and Tavares lost. I'm so confused. I'm lucky I don't like to gamble because I would be in one hell of a whole.

For UFC 77, I pick Rich Franklin to win for sure. There is no doubt in my mind he'll win. Also, I pick Vera to win. Sylvia is so overrated.

[n1n3t33nd3lta]

you guys ever watch the first couple of ufc's? royce gracie pwns.

[Adam Miller]

you guys ever watch the first couple of ufc's? royce gracie pwns.

Lol yes weve seen them but how highly trained were the guys he was fighting back then?...He has fought since you know if your just getting into ufc.

As for ufc 77 im not sure both could go either way Sylvia is overrated but who has Vera gone up against? I think there both really close and ill make a decision closer to the time lol.:p

[n1n3t33nd3lta]

haha, nah i'm not just getting into it. I'm level 2 certified by uncle sam. it's just crazy by how much they've changed from the first ones until now. they all grapple now, and they all do submissions. back then it was tko or bust.

[poulpy72]

I sincerely believe Silva will retain his belt. He's got Franklin's number. I do like both fighters, but this will probably pull Franklin away from the charts and stardom...:(

As for Sylvia vs Vera, I think Vera is a more skilled fighter, but he might have difficulty against such a big man...

As for the old UFCs, if you start watching the old ones and continue over the years, it's very interesting to see the addition of new rules and the fighters' skill level growth. Royce was good in the first few UFC years, simply because he was almost the only one with top skills. All the Gracie's are still good nowadays, but they're not as dominant as Royce was in 1993.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Lol yes weve seen them but how highly trained were the guys he was fighting back then?...He has fought since you know if your just getting into ufc.

As for ufc 77 im not sure both could go either way Sylvia is overrated but who has Vera gone up against? I think there both really close and ill make a decision closer to the time lol.:p

Frank Mir - TKO'd Tim Sylvia
Brandon Vera - TKO'd Frank Mir

Also, a win against Frank Mir and Vera TKOing him says something about Vera. It's not only that but how he finished almost all of his fights. Either submission or TKO. He has the power to finish fights whereas Sylvia relies so heavily on his range and landing that hit on the chin. Even though Sylvia may have the reach advantage, Sylvia lost to Randy which means Vera can win this easily by playing it out like Randy did.

I sincerely believe Silva will retain his belt. He's got Franklin's number. I do like both fighters, but this will probably pull Franklin from the charts and stardom...:(

As for Sylvia vs Vera, I think Vera his a more skilled fighter, but he might have difficulty against such a big man...

As for the old UFCs, if you start watching the old ones and continue over the years, it's very interesting to see the addition of new rules and the fighters' skill level growth. Royce was good in the first few UFC years, simply because he was almost the only one with top skills. All the Gracie's are still good nowadays, but they're not as dominant as Royce was in 1993.

I think Ace has an excellent chance of winning. Initially, Franklin was so out of shape and the fluidity and rhythm wasn't there in the octagon. He wasn't in the ring for a really long time and had to tender to a broken hand which required surgery. The amount of training he had compared to Silva was sliced in half. Now you can see Rich getting back into shape. He has the sharpest mind in the UFC. He plays from a tactical stand point and what he did wrong was leave the fight standing up. Rich could easily win on the ground. He just needs to not stand up. He should do what he did to Okami. Wear him down. Let him try and escape. Get in the blows to rack up the points. I would try and not get the submission or TKO because Silva is exceptional in both areas. Franklin has this in the bag if he fights smart. Then again, people get to egotistical and want to stand up with Silva.

I also want to know how Silva is a 185 freaking pounds. That guy is so thin. He has like no muscle on him. Just really lanky looking. He's only 6'2 also an inch taller but Franklin has so much more mass on his body. Silva has insane reach too. It's going to be an awesome fight. Either Silva wins by TKO or Franklin by decision.

[Adam Miller]

I agree with Silva by knockout or Franklin by decision, but using the

Frank Mir - TKO'd Tim Sylvia
Brandon Vera - TKO'd Frank Mir

sort of method you can pretty much show why any fighter can beat any other. :)

[PerpetualHeaven]

I agree with Silva by knockout or Franklin by decision, but using the

Frank Mir - TKO'd Tim Sylvia
Brandon Vera - TKO'd Frank Mir

sort of method you can pretty much show why any fighter can beat any other. :)

I know but it shows there's a chance. Frank Mir is an excellent fighter either way so he has beaten someone who has beat the former best heavyweight. He didn't just beat Frank Mir, he killed him. Vera has won 3 of his 4 fights in the first round by KO or Submission while the other fight was finished in the second. Vera has what everyone calls "KO power". He's also very athletic for a heavy weight while Sylvia is a clutzy putz.

[Adam Miller]

Yeh its a fight theres always a chance as weve should all know by recent events i think Vera is good and "should" win this fight but hes just got to do more to prove himself for me.:)

[PerpetualHeaven]

Did anyone know that the new TUF began? I totally forgot about it and I saw the first three episodes today. Awesome stuff. It's going to be a great season. First three fights all finished in submissions :eek: Two of them were pretty pathetic though. Two of the guys gave up and what's up with Joe? What a pansy. Gave up being on TUF, being friends with Serra, and teaching at Serras school. What a douche.

[Adam Miller]

Yeh iv been watching it and its good and im not moaning but it doesnt air over here until Monday and ou get it Wednesdays so iv only see two episodes so dont give spoilers lol. I accidentally saw the result and about Joe on sherdog and ufc.com so it doesnt matter this time but from now onwards. :)

[ATT Fighter]

I've been watching TUF relegiously, especially since Serra is a coach. I'm pissed that Joey couldn't just wait it out. I mean... come on.. Dana White was right, it could have put his effin life on the map. Sucks. But, oh well. I wouldn't mess up a life like that.

I hope Serra kills Huges. Huges is done, and I'm glad he sees it. I can't stand Huges any more Serra can. Serras last fight was impressive, and I hope he does the same to Huges.

[mightydionysus]

TUF: Joey's been allowed to get away with this type of behavior in the past or he wouldn't be puling the crap now. I bet Serra will live and let live and the quitter that Joey is will be rewarded with some sort of undercard fight in the future. With lots of begging to Dana. Maybe a staged grudge match with Serra vs Joey. I hope I am dead wrong! He deserves nothing.

UFC 77: I'll take Silva over Rich and I hope Vera can handle Sylvia... but I wouldn't bet on either.

[PerpetualHeaven]

I've been watching TUF relegiously, especially since Serra is a coach. I'm pissed that Joey couldn't just wait it out. I mean... come on.. Dana White was right, it could have put his effin life on the map. Sucks. But, oh well. I wouldn't mess up a life like that.

I hope Serra kills Huges. Huges is done, and I'm glad he sees it. I can't stand Huges any more Serra can. Serras last fight was impressive, and I hope he does the same to Huges.

No way dude. Serra hasn't even beaten anyone that's well known except GSP and that was a fluke. That's like saying Jens Pulver is the man because he beat BJ Penn that one time but he wasn't. This is pretty much the same deal. Hughes is losing it now and hasn't been training like he has but there's no way he's going to lose to Serra. If he loses to a nobody like Serra then he's just tainting his career.

[poulpy72]

No way dude. Serra hasn't even beaten anyone that's well known except GSP and that was a fluke. That's like saying Jens Pulver is the man because he beat BJ Penn that one time but he wasn't. This is pretty much the same deal. Hughes is losing it now and hasn't been training like he has but there's no way he's going to lose to Serra. If he loses to a nobody like Serra then he's just tainting his career.

I fully agree with you PH....Serra won by luck against GSP. I hope Hughes will take the belt and that GSP will beat Hughes once again...

[Derrick DS]

A couple of fights are up for UFC 78 Validation. They are:

Michael 'The Count' Bisping vs Rashad 'Sugar' Evans

Thiago Silva vs Houston 'The Assassin' Alexander

David Terrell Vs. Ed Herman
Hector Lombard Vs. Karo Parisyan
Frank Edgar Vs. Spencer Fisher
---------------------------------------------

I can't wait to see Horton Alexander fight again... he's been amazing in his first bouts. As for Bisping & Evans, I hope Evans knocks him out. I've been a little pissed about the Bisping/Hamill decision, I was certain Hamill won that fight. Also glad to see Spencer Fisher and Ed Herman fighting again. Looks to be a very entertaining night.

[SabreOscar]

A couple of fights are up for UFC 78 Validation. They are:

Michael 'The Count' Bisping vs Rashad 'Sugar' Evans

Thiago Silva vs Houston 'The Assassin' Alexander

David Terrell Vs. Ed Herman
Hector Lombard Vs. Karo Parisyan
Frank Edgar Vs. Spencer Fisher
---------------------------------------------

I can't wait to see Horton Alexander fight again... he's been amazing in his first bouts. As for Bisping & Evans, I hope Evans knocks him out. I've been a little pissed about the Bisping/Hamill decision, I was certain Hamill won that fight. Also glad to see Spencer Fisher and Ed Herman fighting again. Looks to be a very entertaining night.

Evans by TKO. Bisping is overrated and got gift in his decision victory over Hammil.

Im excited to see Alexander back in the octogan again. That guy is a beast! However I dont think he has been fully tested. Id like to see him go a full 3 rounds to see what he is realy made of....but he will probably knock people out before it ever gets that far.

[darkXhawk]

Has anyone checked out the UFC Fantasy game on their website? Not sure how new it is but its kind of cool. You vote on fights by picking a winner, way of victory, and how long the fight lasted.

[SabreOscar]

will have to check that out.

anyone else disapointed about the undercard on the upcoming PPV? I normaly buy all of the PPV but I think Im going to pass on the next one.

[Adam Miller]

Fedor signed with M1 its officially official this time and m1 was bought by an undisclosed American company possibly Mark Cuban...

As for ufc 78, Alexander and Bisping.:)

[poulpy72]

Fedor just pissed me off big time!!!!! Is he scared of the UFC top fighters or what?? He knows where the best fighters in the world are and he's not joining them....major bummer...:(

[Adam Miller]

Wow im posting my second biggest piece of ufc news ever in 2 days... Randy couture has quit, wrote a letter to Dana saying mainly it was because he doesn't get to fight Fedor and the money they offerened him was huge.

Wonder if m1 will sign him and well see them fight, wonder who m1 is owned by, find out Oct 23rd at a press conference.

Dam..

[poulpy72]

Wow im posting my second biggest piece of ufc news ever in 2 days... Randy couture has quit, wrote a letter to Dana saying mainly it was because he doesn't get to fight Fedor and the money they offerened him was huge.

Wonder if m1 will sign him and well see them fight, wonder who m1 is owned by, find out Oct 23rd at a press conference.

Dam..

Crisse de tabarnac!!!...sorry ...just had to swear in my native language!!!! Just read that on UFC.COM....man this is not a big ufc news Adam...these are 2 MAJOR letdowns!!!!

I'm so angry at Fedor and depressed regarding Randy....I'm going to have to empty a bottle of port tonight...this is horrible!!!:mad::mad:

[SabreOscar]

Wow im posting my second biggest piece of ufc news ever in 2 days... Randy couture has quit, wrote a letter to Dana saying mainly it was because he doesn't get to fight Fedor and the money they offerened him was huge.

Wonder if m1 will sign him and well see them fight, wonder who m1 is owned by, find out Oct 23rd at a press conference.

Dam..

Randy is still under contract with UFC so M1 cant sign him. The only way these guys meet is if they run into each other and get into a street fight. I highly doubt you will see Fedor in the UFC anytime before 3 years.

[killlah631]

I'm waiting to see Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbot!! Also Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra shall be a good one. UFC is running the fight sports entertainment.

[poulpy72]

I'm waiting to see Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbot!! Also Matt Hughes vs. Matt Serra shall be a good one. UFC is running the fight sports entertainment.

Slice vs Abbott won't happen....the promotion they were fighting for got one of their sponsors to drop out a few days ago...No money = no show. It sucks...

[BackerMan]

too bad that randy has quit the ufc. He's a great fighter. His fight with Fedor would've been the biggest in MMA history.

[Adam Miller]

Randy is still under contract with UFC so M1 cant sign him. The only way these guys meet is if they run into each other and get into a street fight. I highly doubt you will see Fedor in the UFC anytime before 3 years. I mean i wonder if Randy goes there after the 9 months are up and the ufc contract saps.. Also in a Korean newspaper it says that Mark Cuban has bought M1.

Sad news for mma but it could turn out for good.

[Derrick DS]

While I'm sad that Randy left the way he did, I can't blame him. He only wanted one more fight, Fedor, and he can't get it now. Even if he did fight Fedor, win or lose, he probably would have retired after the fight. I wish 'The Natural' good luck on his future endeavors.

[PerpetualHeaven]

I mean i wonder if Randy goes there after the 9 months are up and the u8fc contract saps.. Also in a Korean newspaper it says that Mark Cuban has bought M1.

Sad news for mma but it could turn out for good.

You know what, I think for sure Fedor would have killed Randy. For sure. No doubt in my mind but then again, PRIDE fighters seem to have a problem in the octagon so it may be to Randys advantage. Either way, it's unfortunate and Fedor is a douche bag. I don't know if M1 even has that great of heavyweight

[Adam Miller]

I think Fedor isnt wrong he would have signed for the ufc if he got the Sambo tournaments i think, but i agree he would probably have beat Randy but yeh PRIDE fighters have been having problems with the octagon and Randy does have a good style for the octagon and Fedor for the ring.

Maybe M1 will sign Barnett and well see a good fight there.. and maybe a joint PPV with ufc.

Also there are mre rumours about who now owns M1 and some people are saying Vince McMahon could have bought it..

[poulpy72]

Good point Adam! I do hope we see Barnett somewhere. He's one top fighter!!

I also want to see who exactly owns M1. It was the very first time I heard about this league when Fedor signed, so until further notice, it's a minor league for me.

[BackerMan]

maybe randy going to M1...

[Adam Miller]

Randy cant go to M1 because he is under contract with ufc and although if he doesn't (wont) fight in the next nine months when he comes back to MMA he will still be under contract for fights in the UFC so that wont happen unless Dana allows it..which he wont.

Now a more off topic of real UFC discussion, i really want the ufc themes and gamerpics and have an American account which i can download them but i have no points. Is there a way i can transfer points from my Adam Miller account to my Adam America one? As i have found out i can use the themes on any account once downloaded.

[poulpy72]

Randy Now a more off topic of real UFC discussion, i really want the ufc themes and gamerpics and have an American account which i can download them but i have no points. Is there a way i can transfer points from my Adam Miller account to my Adam America one? As i have found out i can use the themes on any account once downloaded.

What?? they're actually available???? Only an American account can DL these or any North American account? I badly want them too but never saw them available.....

[Adam Miller]

I have an American account for free arcade games and anything you download is available on any account on that console. So make an account d/lk them and use on your proper account. :)

But i have no points on account i never use...surprisingly. So thats where im stuck although next set of points i get will go to my American account because i can use everything on my real English one but theres just more available.:)

P.S You forgot to delete "Randy" from your quote of me.;)

[poulpy72]

Hmmmm....I hate having more than one account....Why are they not making everything available to everyone!?!?!?!

As for the "Randy", you have an eye for little things don't yeah??...:) I just thought I'd let you know you fall in the same "old man" category as Randy.;)....hehe

[Adam Miller]

:p I was just thiking if i bought a point card from a local shop in the UK could i out the points on an American account?

I hate having more than 1 account too but i only use one for playing games..:)

[Nick G 42390]

It was confirmed during the UFC 77 "Hostile Territory" pay-per view that former WWE superstar, turned recent MMA star Brock Lesnar has signed a deal with the Ultimate Fighting Championship.

No announcement was made on when, where or who he will fight against, but this comes as a complete shocker as no one had reported anything about this prior to tonight's event.

MMANews.com will get on the story to try and get as many details for you as possible in the near future.

It's official. Brock Lesnar signed with UFC.

[dda24]

Brock Lesnar joining the UFC is no surprise at all watching UFC today. You should have known for months that he was coming. Especially since he had a K-1 fight back in June... Heavyweights better be on the lookout he's a beast.. Randy you should come back for one more ass whooping.. lol....

[PerpetualHeaven]

***SPOILER***


I hate you Ace. I hate you so much. I support you all the time and you get TKO'D AGAIN? I quit. No more predictions from me. He's officially a chump and no one will ever beat Silva. Officially the most unstoppable fighter in the world right now. I hate you Silva, I hate you.

[Mustkill9]

***SPOILER***


I hate you Ace. I hate you so much. I support you all the time and you get TKO'D AGAIN? I quit. No more predictions from me. He's officially a chump and no one will ever beat Silva. Officially the most unstoppable fighter in the world right now. I hate you Silva, I hate you.

Yeah, it's hard to imagine a better 185 pound fighter. Silva's like a perfect 10 in every category. People are going to start realizing the importance of Muay Thai training. So many UFC fighters are not using their knees well enough. Silva's Muay Thai makes guys like Franklin look slow, inflexible, and unagile.

This is exactly why I've been such a big fan of Kongo from the minute I first saw him fight. Kongo will be the heavyweight champion soon. And Brock Lesnar will be fighting him for the title. Well those are my predictions. I think Brock Lesnar is amazing too. I was saying it since day 1 about both of them.

[Adam Miller]

Mmm im not to syched Sylvia and Silva win by TKO and its 77 Hostile Territory.

You sir are a prediction genius, i wa shoping Franklin would win too and in the Vera fight i quickly said this will go the distance after seeing most of round one.

I didnt mention the other fights on here but i predicted all the main card and McDonald and Okami at my house correct, which never happens...

I knew Brock Lesnar was gonna come and i dont think Kongo is top class competition at all i think a lot of people in the ufc would beat him right now and you cant forget Noguerra.:)

[Derrick DS]

I knew Silva was going to rock Franklin again, Silva is just too good to be stopped. I was actually surprised that Franklin made it to the second round.

I was kind of hoping Vera would beat the Maine-iac but Sylvia went the distance and got the win.

Next PPV, I hope Bisping gets his face caved in by Evans.

[poulpy72]

I knew Silva would easily dominate Franklin, but I sincerely thought he was going to bring it down to the canvas ASAP! But no...instead he opted to stand against Master Silva...I hope he learned his lesson this time. Well, second time he got his nose reset after a Silva fight...hehe. Silva's knees are so amazing! And what a pinpoint accuracy he's got!!!

As for Vera vs Sylvia, well Vera didn't do much. He looked rusty and slow. I know Tim's a huge man but Vera looked afraid of getting hit. Sylvia and Kongo??!! ok...whatever. Nogeira would probably get rid of both of them. I believe Lesnar will be a problem to many guys though. His sheer size and strenght will be tough to deal with.

As for Bisping vs Evans, I don't really like either but I hope we'll see Bisping at the top of his game so Evans can have a loss...he wa snot impressive at all against Tito.

[SabreOscar]

I hope Bisping gets his ass handed to him. He got a gift of a decision from the judges in his last fight. I want him to lose badly now. Im excited about seeing Houston Alexander back in the cage again.

[Derrick DS]

12/29 - UFC 79 Nemesis:
Matt Serra vs Matt Hughes
Chuck Liddell vs Wanderlei Silva

Thoughts:
Hughes is going to crush Serra. I don't see this fight going past the first round. Let's face it, Serra is a better coach (hell, he has his own martial arts school), Hughes is a better fighter.

I don't know much about Wanderlei Silva, but I hope Chuck can pull a win out. I don't think Liddell can handle a third straight loss.

[PerpetualHeaven]

WANDERLEI IS FIGHTING?!?!!?!? *jumps around like a little school girl* EEEE! IM EXCITED :D Wanderlei is my favourite fighter in the world (along side Matt Hamill). I think he's going to destroy Wanderlei. Wanderlei honestly is the man. I think he's the man that can guarantee Jackson losing. Anyone ever saw the fight where he kneed Jackson like a cadrillion times?

Anyways, anyone watch the last episode of TUF? What a jip. The judges were absolutely horrible. Even Dana White said so. I hope he starts realizing that they have to start hiring more qualified judges. There have been too many fights lately that just get judged wrong.

[Adam Miller]

I think Hughes will win and te longer the fight lasts the more sure i will be im not going to call the Chuck and Wanderlei fight because i love them both i hope they knock each other out like agent smith and neo.......

I have waited a long time for this fight, Wanderlei to get the belt and Chuck to come back and beat Jardine and get a few more wins.

Amazing card gonna be good. :)

P.S : Link to Randys press conference from yesterday :

http://sherdog.com/videos/videos.asp?v_id=1316

[poulpy72]

Unless Serra gets a lucky punch like against GSP, Hughes will definitely come out on top!

As for the Silva vs Liddell fight, I believe Wandy will knock Liddell out to retirement....and then many will say that Chuck in his prime wouldn't have lost and we'll never hear the end of it. I think Chuck is still as precise as ever, but he lost some hand speed.

I'm still so sad about Randy's resignation....::(

[dda24]

Well I'm glad they at least have a fight that should be good.. Hughes is going to destroy Serra so I don't even know if I want to watch that one. I might feel bad for the guy. Hopefully Chuck doesn't go out like a punk again....

[scorcherchamp]

i hope hughes gets his ass kicked,man that guy is an ass,as for wanderlei he's prolly gonna get his ass kicked like all the other fighters from pride who come to the ufc

[PerpetualHeaven]

i hope hughes gets his ass kicked,man that guy is an ass,as for wanderlei he's prolly gonna get his ass kicked like all the other fighters from pride who come to the ufc

Hughes an ass? How the hell is he an ass? You're exactly like Serra. Matt Hughes is the most kind and humble fighter in the UFC. No one gets nicer then he does. He's not egotistical and full of himself like Serra.

[Adam Miller]

Hughes an ass? How the hell is he an ass? You're exactly like Serra. Matt Hughes is the most kind and humble fighter in the UFC. No one gets nicer then he does. He's not egotistical and full of himself like Serra.

Thats what i think but everyone on sherdog thinks hes an ass....

[PerpetualHeaven]

Thats what i think but everyone on sherdog thinks hes an ass....

I don't get it. I've never even see the guy being egotistical in my life. Even the way he says he's going to beat the crap out of someone is very polite. I bet people think he's an ass because he's so humble. Honestly, Serra called him an ass because he was getting people to read something from the bible. Of course the entire perception was wrong there. He's always a smiley nice guy.. well not anymore after he lost controls of the quarter finals.

[poulpy72]

Serra's an ass. no doubt!!!

Hugues is not an ass, although I wouldn't call him a saint either. He's probably better than the average fighter though.

[Perxxxxx]

Serra and Hughes , both ass's

[PerpetualHeaven]

Serra and Hughes , both ass's

How so? Care to explain? I don't even see how Hughes is an ass.

[Derrick DS]

I don't think it shows too much that Hughes is an ass this season, however, he did come off as a smartass when he was coaching in the season w/ St. Pierre... and that's when Serra called him out. Serra still holds it against Hughes.

Hughes is completely critical too. He took out Scarola in the first round, which was a pretty cheap shot against Serra. When the guys were allowed to watch the season finale of the last ultimate fighter season, Hughes thought it was great that he brought food for his fighters and that Serra didn't do anything. The only time Hughes opens his mouth and talks about Serra is behind his back. At least Serra is vocal about what he thinks of the whole situation.

It's not really going to matter though, Serra will still lose against Hughes. Serra is a better coach, Hughes is a better fighter.

[PerpetualHeaven]

I don't think it shows too much that Hughes is an ass this season, however, he did come off as a smartass when he was coaching in the season w/ St. Pierre... and that's when Serra called him out. Serra still holds it against Hughes.

Hughes is completely critical too. He took out Scarola in the first round, which was a pretty cheap shot against Serra. When the guys were allowed to watch the season finale of the last ultimate fighter season, Hughes thought it was great that he brought food for his fighters and that Serra didn't do anything. The only time Hughes opens his mouth and talks about Serra is behind his back. At least Serra is vocal about what he thinks of the whole situation.

It's not really going to matter though, Serra will still lose against Hughes. Serra is a better coach, Hughes is a better fighter.

Oh come on, The reason Hughes thought he was so great for bringing food is because Serra and Hughes are in a feud and Serra is just a running mouth. Really, I think he wants to take a shot at Serra whenever available and he was playing smart by taking out Scarola. The last fight was badly called. Everyone knew who won and some how Ben did. Bull.

[scorcherchamp]

Oh come on, The reason Hughes thought he was so great for bringing food is because Serra and Hughes are in a feud and Serra is just a running mouth. Really, I think he wants to take a shot at Serra whenever available and he was playing smart by taking out Scarola. The last fight was badly called. Everyone knew who won and some how Ben did. Bull.

a perfect example of why hughes is an ass
and if you dont finish a fight u cant complain on how the decision goes is what i think!!
come on dude u just have to watch the guy for a minute to see he's an egotistical ass i mean really u cant be serious!
serra is a great coach and i find myself agreing with everything he says he's a nice guy strait up

[Adam Miller]

I just watched last nights ultimate fighter and the judging was wrong and even Dana said it which i couldn't believe i think that the first round was a draw but because of the system you have to give it to one fighter so it wasn't Ben's round...second one was definitely and more so than the first round was Dan's so I think Ben won the fight but it should have gone to a 3rd, 10-9 rounds either way.

[Mustkill9]

I was watching that Barrera fight. At the end when they said there was a winner I was like "woah. You mean the judges scored that last round 10-8?" I was like no way. Then I was like you know, I guess so. I thought they were a little carried away by scoring it 10-8 against Barrera. Then they announced that's not the reason, it was that Barrera lost the the first round- and I was shocked.

They need better judges, and a clearer scoring method. I'm not positive whether or not they need to change the 10 point scoring system itself, but they need to better define what wins and what loses a round. Joe Rogan is the perfect announcer in my opinion, and he isn't positive what the judges are looking for! That should scream that there's a problem. I've heard him say things before like "I'm not sure how much credit they give to octagon control," and "it depends how much credit they give for these leg kicks."

[PerpetualHeaven]

a perfect example of why hughes is an ass
and if you dont finish a fight u cant complain on how the decision goes is what i think!!
come on dude u just have to watch the guy for a minute to see he's an egotistical ass i mean really u cant be serious!
serra is a great coach and i find myself agreing with everything he says he's a nice guy strait up

Yeah right! Of course you would complain did you see the call? EVEN DANA WHITE AGREED WITH HUGHES! Hughes has never been egotistical. He's not full of himself like Serra is. Oh I'm Serra i'm the best coach in the world. That's basically him. He's such a snot. Wouldn't you be upset if you had no control over how the fights turn out anymore? I think you would be upset especially if the fight was called like that. Either Dan won or it went to a third round. It was called majority decision. 2 people voted for Ben in the first round. How? The man was getting the shit knocked out of him. There was no way Ben even won. It was third round or Dan won. Bad judging, Dana even said it, nothing wrong with Hughes complaining. Hughes egotistical and not Serra. I think your world perspective is twisted.

[Adam Miller]

Joe Rogan is the perfect announcer in my opinion, and he isn't positive what the judges are looking for! That should scream that there's a problem. I've heard him say things before like "I'm not sure how much credit they give to octagon control," and "it depends how much credit they give for these leg kicks."

Aparently some of Rogan's commentating isnt Rogan and i think we should ere more from the judges during the fight..

Article on Eddie Bravo saying he is in Rogan's ear: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=670362

[scorcherchamp]

Yeah right! Of course you would complain did you see the call? EVEN DANA WHITE AGREED WITH HUGHES! Hughes has never been egotistical. He's not full of himself like Serra is. Oh I'm Serra i'm the best coach in the world. That's basically him. He's such a snot. Wouldn't you be upset if you had no control over how the fights turn out anymore? I think you would be upset especially if the fight was called like that. Either Dan won or it went to a third round. It was called majority decision. 2 people voted for Ben in the first round. How? The man was getting the shit knocked out of him. There was no way Ben even won. It was third round or Dan won. Bad judging, Dana even said it, nothing wrong with Hughes complaining. Hughes egotistical and not Serra. I think your world perspective is twisted.

dude im not sayin that wasnt a bad decision im just sayin he didnt finish the fight how many times has this happend before fighters know if u dont finish the fight well then its a coin toss with the judges...u think my world perspective is twisted?? lol really dont get your panties in a bunch!your canadian right u heard what hughes said about canadian fighters and george st pierre did u hear what he said when serra beat st pierre i mean this guy is pure hillbilly ass!!
he wants to quit the show because he's losing if thats not egotistical i dont know what is!

[PerpetualHeaven]

dude im not sayin that wasnt a bad decision im just sayin he didnt finish the fight how many times has this happend before fighters know if u dont finish the fight well then its a coin toss with the judges...u think my world perspective is twisted?? lol really dont get your panties in a bunch!your canadian right u heard what hughes said about canadian fighters and george st pierre did u hear what he said when serra beat st pierre i mean this guy is pure hillbilly ass!!

I don't care what he said about Canadians. And I'm getting my panties in a bunch? It's just that you think motor mouth Serra is some angel and Hughes is an ass. Hughes is a pretty humble guy. Sure he can be an ass, but what fighter doesn't talk smack? The only reason you think he's an ass because he insulted Canadians and GSP. Oh go figure. The guy is a solid all around guy. I mean Hughes has talked how much smack on TUF? Hardly anything compared to Serra. Serra is blah blah blah all day like he's the best fighter ever. He also wants to quit the show because that stupid judging put him over board. Come on now really, that was one of the worst decisions ever. It doesn't matter if the fight finished or not, you can't give Ben the first round. You must be mentally retarded. And how does that make him egotistical? He's just tired of his team losing and not sticking to the game plan. A lot of great coaches have quit on there team, but it hardly makes them egotistical.

[scorcherchamp]

I don't care what he said about Canadians. And I'm getting my panties in a bunch? It's just that you think motor mouth Serra is some angel and Hughes is an ass. Hughes is a pretty humble guy. Sure he can be an ass, but what fighter doesn't talk smack? The only reason you think he's an ass because he insulted Canadians and GSP. Oh go figure. The guy is a solid all around guy. I mean Hughes has talked how much smack on TUF? Hardly anything compared to Serra. Serra is blah blah blah all day like he's the best fighter ever. He also wants to quit the show because that stupid judging put him over board. Come on now really, that was one of the worst decisions ever. It doesn't matter if the fight finished or not, you can't give Ben the first round. You must be mentally retarded. And how does that make him egotistical? He's just tired of his team losing and not sticking to the game plan. A lot of great coaches have quit on there team, but it hardly makes them egotistical.
whatever your obviously in love with hughes...two things wrong in what u say first it does matter if the fight was finished or not even though hughes would have been an ass if he had lost by submission or knockout two no good coaches quit on there teams duh!!
p.s. hughes humble...omg your world perspective is twisted!i dont really like serra but compaired to hughes he is an angel!!and your right i must be mentaly retarded to continue this discussion...im outty!

[Mustkill9]

Matt Serra lives a couple of miles from me, so I'm automatically a huge fan of him. When he won the ultimate fighter, I saved this newspaper cover with his picture on it for like 6 months- it was sitting there in my kitchen face up. I like Matt Hughes too, because he is a winner. I watched him defend his title I think it was 5 or 6 times. Actually I like almost all the UFC fighters, but that's just me.

[Derrick DS]

*CONTAINS SPOILERS FROM MOST RECENT EPISODE*
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Team Serra beat Team Hughes bringing the score up to 6-1. Its really hard to believe that someone who took a spining back fist to the face and become an instant highlight reel in the UFC could get to where they are now.

Regardless, Hughes is still going to crush Serra at the PPV. I know this has been a year of upsets, but it just isn't happening.

[Adam Miller]

Ok can i ask once more i know its annoying but can we not have ultimate fighter spoilers please. We dont get to see the show til the following Monday in England and i click this thread and read the first line of your post and it ruins the fight build up on the programme.

Sorry.

[Derrick DS]

Ok can i ask once more i know its annoying but can we not have ultimate fighter spoilers please. We dont get to see the show til the following Monday in England and i click this thread and read the first line of your post and it ruins the fight build up on the programme.

Sorry.
Dude, don't apologize... that's my fault. I didn't see your last post. Next time I'll make sure to post *spoilers*. Wasn't thinking & I won't do it again without the spoilers warning.

[Adam Miller]

Dude, don't apologize... that's my fault. I didn't see your last post. Next time I'll make sure to post *spoilers*. Wasn't thinking & I won't do it again without the spoilers warning.

Nah im sorry for making you wait to discuss :p. Thanks :)

[poulpy72]

Even though I'm mostly up to date with the episodes, I agree with Adam. I believe we should ask for a new thread dedicated to The Ultimate Fighter tv show. This wouldn't spoil anything to our daily UFC thread members like Adam.

Whoever's in charge of this specific forum, please consider this proposition for us all...:)

Thx

[PerpetualHeaven]

Ok can i ask once more i know its annoying but can we not have ultimate fighter spoilers please. We dont get to see the show til the following Monday in England and i click this thread and read the first line of your post and it ruins the fight build up on the programme.

Sorry.

... Oh man I'm so sorry. I totally forgot. My bad I'll make sure I label spoilers from now. Honestly, I forgot. My bad.

****SPOILER*****

Anyways, Matt Hughes team what the hell? Poor guy. J-Rock lost. I think Danzig is the only chance he has at winning the whole thing and he's by far the most experience and lethal fighter. Let's hope he can do it. I still can't believe J-Rock lost. He should have worked him into the ground. Just poor showings from Matt Hughes team. They get pumped before the fight and leave it all at the door then get KO'd in the ring. Pathetic.

[Mustkill9]

Yeah J-rock had like no offense. That's a great way to lose a fight- let that much time go by while attempting that little offense. But how good was his imitation of Matt Serra?

In my last post I mentioned that I like the personalities of almost all of the fighters. I think Mac Danzig is a douchebag. (I actually was talking to myself for 10 minutes pretending to explain to Mac why you kill insects that are in your house.) And I think George the australian guy is alright and that guy Ben is totally out of line by complaining so loudly that George won't wake him up. I already didn't like Ben for saying that after he wins his fight he'll take care of Barrera's horse, dog, and girlfriend. Seriously, if I was Barrera I'd show up at Ben's house lighting stuff on fire at 3AM- but hey that's just me.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Yeah J-rock had like no offense. That's a great way to lose a fight- let that much time go by while attempting that little offense. But how good was his imitation of Matt Serra?

In my last post I mentioned that I like the personalities of almost all of the fighters. I think Mac Danzig is a douchebag. (I actually was talking to myself for 10 minutes pretending to explain to Mac why you kill insects that are in your house.) And I think George the australian guy is alright and that guy Dan is totally out of line by complaining so loudly that George won't wake him up. I already didn't like Dan for saying that after he wins his fight he'll take care of Barrera's horse, dog, and girlfriend. Seriously, if I was Barrera I'd show up at Dan's house lighting stuff on fire at 3AM- but hey that's just me.

Danzig is a dick, but I'm confused about this other Dan you're speaking of. Are you talking about Ben, the tall lanky Muay Thai white dude? I think so, only Dan is Dan Barrera. But yeah, Ben is being a little whiner. George is right and he's not their father.

[Mustkill9]

My bad, I fixed my post. I'm not good with names.

[poulpy72]

Awesome news this morning! Sokoudjou has signed with the UFC and we will have the chance to see him in action on December 29th!!! They announced he will fight Ryoto Machida.

Sokoudjou KOed both Rogeiro Nogueira and Ricardo Arona in the 1st round! He's an exciting young fighter and we should see him for many years to come!

[fwconquest]

What ever happened to Mirco Krocop? He was the best kicker I'd ever seen in Pride, and since he got beat in UFC I haven't heard anything of him. He could definately shake up the heavyweight division.

[Derrick DS]

What ever happened to Mirco Krocop? He was the best kicker I'd ever seen in Pride, and since he got beat in UFC I haven't heard anything of him. He could definately shake up the heavyweight division.
I remember reading a blurb about his just this week. If I can find the official article I'll post a link, but this is what I remember...

He was questioning whether to retire after his back to back losses in the UFC, but ultimately will continue on. He mention he may only fight a half of dozen more times before be calls it quits and retires.

[Adam Miller]

Mirko Cro Cop Filipovic is training again and has a new found desire to do well and did contemplate retiring as said above but now says he has 5-6 fights left in him.

Big News for MMA: M1's first event will apparently be on 31st of December in Japan as Fedor would have hoped and he will be fighting too..

Source: http://mixfight.ru/news/2007/11/15/First-M-1-Event-NY-Eve/

Sherdog discussion thread: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=679749

And in other news i have created a "Ultimate Fighter Thread" so i dont have to hide from this thread when i don't want to hear the results and i want to talk ufc. Maybe we should change this one to MMA thread or is it confusing you enough? :p

Anyway heres the link and if we could get a sticky so that we dont mix the two that would be great.

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=45197

[poulpy72]

Yep....I had the same thoughts recently. We should rename this thread to MMA and not UFC only. It would not do to speak of Fedor in a different thread and right now, he's not UFC merchandise.

And once again Adam, excellent work on that TUF thread.;)

[darkXhawk]

I just read on MMAWeekly that during the post-fight press conf. from UFC 78 Dana announced that Anderson Silva's next fight will be against Dan Henderson. What a fight that should be. Here's the link http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5096&zoneid=13

[PerpetualHeaven]

I just read on MMAWeekly that during the post-fight press conf. from UFC 78 Dana announced that Anderson Silva's next fight will be against Dan Henderson. What a fight that should be. Here's the link http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5096&zoneid=13

Dan Henderson by Submission :D I can feel it to. It's going to be nice seeing Anderson Silva lose.

[darkXhawk]

Dan Henderson by Submission :D I can feel it to. It's going to be nice seeing Anderson Silva lose.

Hahaha....I can't say Im a big Silva fan without sounding badnwagon-ish. I was mad when he beat Franklin the first time and very pissed off when he beat him the second time, but he is a great fighter along with Henderson. It'll be very interesting to see what happens.

When it comes to Wanderlei/Liddell, I REALLY want Chuck to win, otherwise we probably won't see him fight again for a long time, if ever.

[Adam Miller]

Well ufc 78 what happened was what i thought would happen and what i didnt want..Alexander getting exposed i thought we would see but i kinda wanted him to be impressive on the ground and bisping vs rashad was not exactly effective striking and the takedowns didnt amount to anything.

I heard about Henderson fighting Silva about a week ago and should of posted here but it was just a rumor, it was rumouredfor79 though i dont know if thats been announced i havnt seen the post fight conference yet.

Anyone think that Ed Herman would have been arm barred and lost if the second round went on 10 more seconds?

[poulpy72]

UFC78 was boring, as expected...well, at least the main event. Edgar was very impressive! As for Herman, I believe he would have been choked out if it had lasted 5-10 seconds more...

Hendo vs Silva is set for March 1st. It's the only fight that made sense for Silva...and it should be one hell of a good fight just like Rampage vs Hendo. I'm so happy Dana was able to convince Hendo to come down in weight for this fight!! I can't wait!

[Mustkill9]

I would have to make the moneyline silva -170/ henderson +130 for that fight. Silva deserves to be a favorite, and I believe will win the fight. We'll see if Vegas agrees with me or not. (Stupid Vegas takes extra juice on UFC fights, I guess because they don't know how to handicap them as well as football games. I adjusted my moneyline with respect to their extra juice.)

I find that fighters coming down in weight don't necessarily dominate at lower weight classes. Sometimes you see a weaker version of the fighter- but certain fighters can actually wind up muscular and faster and healthier. I think Henderson will be somewhere in the middle. It depends what his natural weight is.

[Adam Miller]

His natural weight is middle and if he can make his strength a factor it will be a good fight, Henderson was holdin his own with Rampage with extra weight and he also has knock out power and great wrestling. He is one of the only fighters who can give Silva a fight and its not gonna be a walk over by any means.

EDIT: Matt Serra got injured in training and is now out of the ufc 79 card..."breaking" news..http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8808

[darkXhawk]

His natural weight is middle and if he can make his strength a factor it will be a good fight, Henderson was holdin his own with Rampage with extra weight and he also has knock out power and great wrestling. He is one of the only fighters who can give Silva a fight and its not gonna be a walk over by any means.

EDIT: Matt Serra got injured in training and is now out of the ufc 79 card..."breaking" news..http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8808

Yes and replacing Serra in the main event of UFC 79 will be GSP!!!

[Adam Miller]

Yes and replacing Serra in the main event of UFC 79 will be GSP!!!

Yep :) just came here to post that update, also its not unfair on Serra as he now fights the winner of this fight as opposed to the winner fighting GSP. Serra says he wants Matt Hughes to win so he can beat his ass. Also i think Fitch is gonna fight Karo next which means this division is becoming interesting. :)

WAR GSP

[darkXhawk]

Even if Hughes doesn't beat GSP they'll still let him and Serra fight, they'd almost have to.

[Adam Miller]

Well the winner is definately fighting Serra next so if GSP wins and then beat Serra then i think they would definately do Serra and Hughes. If GSP wins then Serra beats him i think Hughes is gonna have to work back up a little before he fights for the title coming off a loss. :)

[clear31]

i love both Hughes and GSP so its hard who to root for but I am probably a bigger GSP fan. I like this match because I do feel GSP will win and it really is his only chance at getting a rematch with Serra. I am sure GSP feels this way as well. I highly doubt either Hughes or GSP would take this fight had it not been for a interim title.

My only problem with the fight is GSP nor Hughes will have a full training camp for each other. Sure GSP prob was constantly training and we know hughes was training. But this is not good for either considering Hughes was training for a completely different fighter in style, size, etc. While GSP was training but not for a fight against Hughes.

Regardless this is a great card Hughes-GSP III, Liddell-Silva finally, and
Machida-Sokaudjou

[Adam Miller]

This is going to e a good card, Liddell Silva speaks for itelf with a rubber and match GSP Hughes also.

Who do you think has it tougher Hughes for having to have a new game plan now for a completely different fighter as we know hes a game plan fighter..or GSP for having just over 1 months notice for a fight.

Also i think the Machida fight could be a let down and Machida is gonna go for the boring long fight and if he gets his way he will win a decision but if Sokoudjou can knock out Machida or go the distance and look good then hes serious.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Tougher for Matt Hughes. He went from a fairly easy opponent to basically the best fighter in that weight division.

[rx32degrepber]

i love UFC a whole lot better than boxing that is forsure. but my favorite guy would have to be a guy that just retired who is Randy C. the best and always will be in my mind that is.... and does anyone else find Joe Rogan annoying?

[darkXhawk]

i love UFC a whole lot better than boxing that is forsure. but my favorite guy would have to be a guy that just retired who is Randy C. the best and always will be in my mind that is.... and does anyone else find Joe Rogan annoying?

No not at all. I find him funny and he also knows a lot about martial arts.

[darkXhawk]

Tougher for Matt Hughes. He went from a fairly easy opponent to basically the best fighter in that weight division.

I dunno. Hughes has fought GSP twice now so he should know what to expect. And you can't call Serra an "easy" opponent when that "easy" opponent knocked out the "best fighter in that weight division."

[PerpetualHeaven]

I dunno. Hughes has fought GSP twice now so he should know what to expect. And you can't call Serra an "easy" opponent when that "easy" opponent knocked out the "best fighter in that weight division."

Serra is an easy win. Sometimes the best fall the easiest but doesn't mean the person who beat them is good. Serra has lost to Shonie Carter and Karo Parisyan. Karo is a good fighter, but he's not that great. GSP and Hughes are way above them. That Serra win was a fluke. He's an easy opponent. Jordan and the Bulls lost to the lowly Raptors one season, does that make the Raptors good? Nope, just means the Bulls were on their off game and Raptors just by chance played really well that night.

I may be wrong though. Maybe Serra is a completely new man when he was fighting GSP. We won't get to see now but he could have been. I'm just saying based off what I know about him. He hasn't shown me anything superb. Just a lucky win against GSP and a bad show by GSP.

And just because you've fought someone multiple times, doesn't mean it'll be the same. Hughes lost to GSP already. They're elite fighters. They can't come in with the same stuff every time.

[clear31]

Personally think Serra got lucky. Hes a good fighter but Hughes and GSP are great fighters. Anyone can get caught in the UFC.

anyway, as for the future I believe the winner of this match will simply dispose of Serra. I really believe GSP is going to win. With GSP ending up beating Serra when the match comes around. As for Hughes I think he will either go up to get at Anderson Silva since he has stated he would like to get him if Rich Franklin couldnt beat him or he'll end up retiring. He's said he only has a few fights left in him. but who knows you cant look past Hughes he could easily come out on top as well.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Personally think Serra got lucky. Hes a good fighter but Hughes and GSP are great fighters. Anyone can get caught in the UFC.

anyway, as for the future I believe the winner of this match will simply dispose of Serra. I really believe GSP is going to win. With GSP ending up beating Serra when the match comes around. As for Hughes I think he will either go up to get at Anderson Silva since he has stated he would like to get him if Rich Franklin couldnt beat him or he'll end up retiring. He's said he only has a few fights left in him. but who knows you cant look past Hughes he could easily come out on top as well.



Matt Hughes is a beast. He wouldn't have to gain much weight to go up a class. The beauty about Matt Hughes is his unrivaled strength. The man is godzilla among beast not simply because of his size but because he has power. He's ground game is one of the best along with his wrestling, something no opponent has tried against Silva. Instead, they stupidly stand up and try to go fist to fist him. Stupidity.. ahhh yes.

[darkXhawk]

Serra is an easy win. Sometimes the best fall the easiest but doesn't mean the person who beat them is good. Serra has lost to Shonie Carter and Karo Parisyan. Karo is a good fighter, but he's not that great. GSP and Hughes are way above them. That Serra win was a fluke. He's an easy opponent. Jordan and the Bulls lost to the lowly Raptors one season, does that make the Raptors good? Nope, just means the Bulls were on their off game and Raptors just by chance played really well that night.

I may be wrong though. Maybe Serra is a completely new man when he was fighting GSP. We won't get to see now but he could have been. I'm just saying based off what I know about him. He hasn't shown me anything superb. Just a lucky win against GSP and a bad show by GSP.

And just because you've fought someone multiple times, doesn't mean it'll be the same. Hughes lost to GSP already. They're elite fighters. They can't come in with the same stuff every time.

Hahaha, well I do know one thing that you can't compare MMA to basketball. There's a reason Serra is where he's at in his career right now and it's not because of luck. If you're a fighter in the UFC, you're a bad man, I don't care who you are.

[Mustkill9]

Matt Hughes is a beast. He wouldn't have to gain much weight to go up a class. The beauty about Matt Hughes is his unrivaled strength. The man is godzilla among beast not simply because of his size but because he has power. He's ground game is one of the best along with his wrestling, something no opponent has tried against Silva. Instead, they stupidly stand up and try to go fist to fist him. Stupidity.. ahhh yes.

We did get to see a glimpse of Silva's ground game, against the winner from TUF season 4 who didn't make weight- Travis Lutter. Lutter is supposed to be jiu-jitsu master, and what happened was Silva from the bottom, dropped elbows to the top of Lutter's head, and Lutter tapped out from elbow strikes. I wish I could describe it better, because the elbows were dropped pretty viciously, and Joe Rogan and myself weren't sure of the legality of the elbows at first- if I remember correctly. It was an impressive ground performance. (It's officially listed as submission by triangle choke, because Lutter was in a triangle choke, but he was getting brained by elbows at the same time!)
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I believe that Serra is capable of winning a fight on any given night against Hughes or GSP. Once you reach UFC veteran skill level, you pretty much have a chance to win against anybody in your weight class. In my opinion, Serra has about a 3 in 10 chance of beating Hughes or GSP. And Hughes/GSP I think is pretty close to even.

Am I dreaming or do they not even interview Machida when he wins? If I'm right that means he's literally the only person I ever seen not get interviewed after a UFC fight, and I've seen a ton of them. I wish they would get rid of him. I like to see some personality or entertainment beyond just the actual fight. Something. Get a tattoo, I don't know. Anything!

[PerpetualHeaven]

Hahaha, well I do know one thing that you can't compare MMA to basketball. There's a reason Serra is where he's at in his career right now and it's not because of luck. If you're a fighter in the UFC, you're a bad man, I don't care who you are.

Actually, you can. I can compare MMA to any sport. Anything can happen on any given night in any sport. Luck is a force to be reckoned with. Serra got there because he's good, but have you seen who he has lost to? His only notable win is over GSP. There are a lot of guys in the UFC, but doesn't make them good fighters compared to the others in the UFC. Serra beat a whole bunch of lowly nobodies in the Ultimate Fighter and lucked out against GSP. His track record is mediocre at BEST. He hasn't even beat anyone that great and he's lost to mediocre fighters.

But like I said, he COULD be a new man but we won't find out now. All I'm saying is anyone can win against anybody. I've seen the best fighters lose to some of the worst. Since you said Basketball was a bad comparison, think Mike Tyson vs Buster Douglas. Buster Douglas was actually fairly good but his chances of winning were so slim. He was basically minced meat compared to Tyson. What happened? He KO'd Tyson.

All I'm saying is, it's easy to get lucky. When things go your way, sometimes you don't even need skill. Serra has never been known to KO people. He's a submission king. That's his first KO ever.

We did get to see a glimpse of Silva's ground game, against the winner from TUF season 4 who didn't make weight- Travis Lutter. Lutter is supposed to be jiu-jitsu master, and what happened was Silva from the bottom, dropped elbows to the top of Lutter's head, and Lutter tapped out from elbow strikes. I wish I could describe it better, because the elbows were dropped pretty viciously, and Joe Rogan and myself weren't sure of the legality of the elbows at first- if I remember correctly. It was an impressive ground performance. (It's officially listed as submission by triangle choke, because Lutter was in a triangle choke, but he was getting brained by elbows at the same time!) ************************************************** ************************************************** ******************************* I believe that Serra is capable of winning a fight on any given night against Hughes or GSP. Once you reach UFC veteran skill level, you pretty much have a chance to win against anybody in your weight class. In my opinion, Serra has about a 3 in 10 chance of beating Hughes or GSP. And Hughes/GSP I think is pretty close to even. Am I dreaming or do they not even interview Machida when he wins? If I'm right that means he's literally the only person I ever seen not get interviewed after a UFC fight, and I've seen a ton of them. I wish they would get rid of him. I like to see some personality or entertainment beyond just the actual fight. Something. Get a tattoo, I don't know. Anything!

Everyone knows Silva has excellent submission skills I already know that. Thing is he hasn't faced anyone with power. The rub about Silva is his long limbs. He's perfectly made for submitting and striking. He seems weak but he's fairly powerful but someone like Hughes relies solely on strength such as Tommy Speer on The Ultimate Fighter. Even though Lutter may be known for BJJ, he's considerably weak compared to Silva in that area. Hughes on the other hand has an abundance of experience, most of his fights have ended in either a submission or KO, and he has more power to slip out of or put Silva in a submission.

I think Hughes has an excellent chance of winning. He's a much shorter person compared to Silva. That's also a great advantage on the ground. I think his experience also is a large factor. Hughes has been fighting forever but we'll see. He could easily lose. Silva is probably the most dominant fighter in the UFC right now. I really don't know if anyone could beat him but I think Hughes probably has the best chance then anyone else. Someone who has power and excellent GnP would do excellent but they need to stick to it and shoot instead of standing for a while, wearing yourself out, and letting yourself get into stupid positions (i.e. what happened to Lutter).

I would like to note something. Watch Hughes vs Gracie. I don't care what you say, Gracie is old yes but his ground game has never changed. BJJ is all about finesse and technique. Hughes worked Gracie and he knows all the tricks of the trade.

[Mustkill9]

This just in:

George St. Pierre -260
Matt Hughes +200

They've got Matt Hughes as more than a 2 to 1 underdog? I don't know where they get that. Hasn't Vegas been burned enough lately by giving underdogs too little credit? These +270, +300, +350 underdogs have been hitting! They're going to make Matt Hughes +200? I don't agree with this line, no matter who ends up winning.

Incidentally, I just bet $440 on Huerta on Dec 8th.
Roger Huerta ( Money Line +125 ) for Game Risking 440.00 To Win 550.00 USD

If he loses I'm gonna be a little upset.

[darkXhawk]

Actually, you can. I can compare MMA to any sport. Anything can happen on any given night in any sport. Luck is a force to be reckoned with. Serra got there because he's good, but have you seen who he has lost to? His only notable win is over GSP. There are a lot of guys in the UFC, but doesn't make them good fighters compared to the others in the UFC. Serra beat a whole bunch of lowly nobodies in the Ultimate Fighter and lucked out against GSP. His track record is mediocre at BEST. He hasn't even beat anyone that great and he's lost to mediocre fighters.

But like I said, he COULD be a new man but we won't find out now. All I'm saying is anyone can win against anybody. I've seen the best fighters lose to some of the worst. Since you said Basketball was a bad comparison, think Mike Tyson vs Buster Douglas. Buster Douglas was actually fairly good but his chances of winning were so slim. He was basically minced meat compared to Tyson. What happened? He KO'd Tyson.

All I'm saying is, it's easy to get lucky. When things go your way, sometimes you don't even need skill. Serra has never been known to KO people. He's a submission king. That's his first KO ever.

I think you just said what I was trying to say. If you're in the UFC you have the skill to beat anyone at any given time. So it doesn't really matter who Serra has lost to, they all had the skill to beat him. You said Serra was an easy opponent, but he's not. He's the Welterweight champ (till the ppv) and it took skill to get there. He knocked out one of the best fighters in the divsion. So what if GSP wasn't on his game that night. It was probably because he got a big head about himself and under-estimated Serra. Which in my opinion, if hes supposed to be one of the best fighters in the divsion, that shouldn't happen.

I train and compete in judo. And it takes skill. There really isn't much luck involved. The only time I can say luck plays a role in a fight, is that you're lucky enough to have your opponent make a mistake but you have to have the skill to be able to take advantage of that mistake.

It doesn't really matter if Serra is a submission guy, doesn't mean he can't hit hard. Look at the Tim Sylvia/Jeff Munson fight. No one in a million years would've guessed Sylvia was gonna dominate Munson on the ground, reverse submissions and even lock him in a triangle. And again, Travis Lutter and Anderson Sylva, yes Lutter lost that fight, but I think hes given Sylva his best challenge yet, even more than Rich Franklin on two differente meetings. Had Lutter made weight and been in a stronger mental state, I think he'd be the Middleweight champ.

[Adam Miller]

I cant find the link now but in a radio interview the other day Dana White spoke about having 5 rounds for normal fights and 7 rounds for title fights. Im not sure if this would be good so that all fights are fought to finish or would long boring fights become even more long and boring with fighters sleeping on each other? As well as the killer physical demands of course.

Good? Bad? What effect would it have?

Also it seems that MMA is going to claim its first death after Sam Vasques is looking less likely to come around. This was after his fight with Vince Libard where he took many punches to the chin and was stood back up but collapsed and the fight was ended on a Renegades Extreme Fighting card. Do you think that this will effect MMA going mainstream at all?

[Mustkill9]

I cant find the link now but in a radio interview the other day Dana White spoke about having 5 rounds for normal fights and 7 rounds for title fights. Im not sure if this would be good so that all fights are fought to finish or would long boring fights become even more long and boring with fighters sleeping on each other? As well as the killer physical demands of course.

Good? Bad? What effect would it have?

Also it seems that MMA is going to claim its first death after Sam Vasques is looking less likely to come around. This was after his fight with Vince Libard where he took many punches to the chin and was stood back up but collapsed and the fight was ended on a Renegades Extreme Fighting card. Do you think that this will effect MMA going mainstream at all?


I think they're making the Hughes/St Pierre fight 5 rounds, that's what I heard. I think this is a terrible idea the 5 round, 7 round idea! It will make fights more boring, and it already takes so much cardio and endurance to do what these fighters are doing. What I think they need to do, is have the refs do a better job of recognizing situations where they need to break the fighters and restart (standing clinches as well as ground clinches). How many times have you sat there going "yo, stand these guys up!" and then a full boring minute later they finally stand them up. It will force a fighter who wants to maintain his position to prove it by staying active.

As for a fighter dying, I was kind of wondering what was taking so long. I think if MMA can maintain that kind of rarity towards people dying, MMA will be fine. You ask will this effect MMA going mainstream? MMA was never trying to appeal to prude people and tree-huggers. The fans like me and you will be saddened when something like this happens, but we're not going to walk away disgusted with MMA. It's happened in boxing a few times, and their sport has bigger problems than the deaths, and boxing is pretty mainstream. MMA would be more mainstream if there were more good fights on regular TV. Paying $50 to see UFC is keeping a lot of people away, not the blood.

[PerpetualHeaven]

I think you just said what I was trying to say. If you're in the UFC you have the skill to beat anyone at any given time. So it doesn't really matter who Serra has lost to, they all had the skill to beat him. You said Serra was an easy opponent, but he's not. He's the Welterweight champ (till the ppv) and it took skill to get there. He knocked out one of the best fighters in the divsion. So what if GSP wasn't on his game that night. It was probably because he got a big head about himself and under-estimated Serra. Which in my opinion, if hes supposed to be one of the best fighters in the divsion, that shouldn't happen.

I train and compete in judo. And it takes skill. There really isn't much luck involved. The only time I can say luck plays a role in a fight, is that you're lucky enough to have your opponent make a mistake but you have to have the skill to be able to take advantage of that mistake.

It doesn't really matter if Serra is a submission guy, doesn't mean he can't hit hard. Look at the Tim Sylvia/Jeff Munson fight. No one in a million years would've guessed Sylvia was gonna dominate Munson on the ground, reverse submissions and even lock him in a triangle. And again, Travis Lutter and Anderson Sylva, yes Lutter lost that fight, but I think hes given Sylva his best challenge yet, even more than Rich Franklin on two differente meetings. Had Lutter made weight and been in a stronger mental state, I think he'd be the Middleweight champ.

All I'm going to say is everyone has skill to beat someone, but there are things that separate the men from the boys. Serra hasn't shown that. One fight does not make him the best. Neither does holding that belt. How he got there also shows that does not make him the best. He receives too much praise. Until he can defend that belt, to me he's still a nobody who's been a mediocre fighter.

And again I've said this time and time again, he may be a new fighter but we won't know. Until then, his GSP fight meant nothing. It does not make him great fighter in the UFC. It just makes him like every other fighter. You lucked out and got the win. A great fighter is someone who's consistently won against the best like Hughes or BJ Penn. Those guys are elite fighters. Who cares if the people have the skill to beat them. It's winning consistently that means something and against GREAT people not "good" because everyone in the UFC is good. Serra hasn't shown me that and that's been my ENTIRE POINT. One win does not make a great fighter. He beat GSP. It doesn't mean anything until he can defend that title at least twice and against great fighters not "comeback" fighters with horrible records.

Anderson Silva was doubted many times until he started defending consistently. They threw everyone at him. That's a great fighter! Not Serra. There's not even argument for Serra. And yes in everyone sport there's luck. Judo there's luck. It could the texture of the surface, sweatyness of the other person, if you became sick, etc. There's so many factors that could remove you from winning. Sometimes luck is all you need to win and it's like that in every sport.

But it seems like you don't get what I'm saying and what you're saying is basically like saying that everyone in the UFC is equal which isn't true. They all have skill, but some have more then others.

[Adam Miller]

I think they're making the Hughes/St Pierre fight 5 rounds, that's what I heard. I think this is a terrible idea the 5 round, 7 round idea! It will make fights more boring, and it already takes so much cardio and endurance to do what these fighters are doing. What I think they need to do, is have the refs do a better job of recognizing situations where they need to break the fighters and restart (standing clinches as well as ground clinches). How many times have you sat there going "yo, stand these guys up!" and then a full boring minute later they finally stand them up. It will force a fighter who wants to maintain his position to prove it by staying active.

As for a fighter dying, I was kind of wondering what was taking so long. I think if MMA can maintain that kind of rarity towards people dying, MMA will be fine. You ask will this effect MMA going mainstream? MMA was never trying to appeal to prude people and tree-huggers. The fans like me and you will be saddened when something like this happens, but we're not going to walk away disgusted with MMA. It's happened in boxing a few times, and their sport has bigger problems than the deaths, and boxing is pretty mainstream. MMA would be more mainstream if there were more good fights on regular TV. Paying $50 to see UFC is keeping a lot of people away, not the blood.

The Hughes/ St Pierre fight is 5 rounds because its a title fight. I agree with both points but it could change the way people go about fighting for the decision.

[oneandonlytommo]

has brock lesnar made his debut yet?

[Adam Miller]

has brock lesnar made his debut yet?

February 1st or 2nd at the superbowl card UFC 81 but he has fought once in MMA before in K1 and won. :)

EDIT: Also on that card and soon to be announced..

http://forum.portaldovt.com.br/forum...howtopic=69481 (http://forum.portaldovt.com.br/forum...howtopic=69481)

"Em primeiro mão, foi fechada horas atrás a luta entre Minotauro vs. Tim Sylvia, e ela vai rolar no UFC 81, dia 02 de fevereiro em Las Vegas.

Randy não se acertou com o UFC e o título vago será disputado entre Minotauro e Tim Sylvia!"

Translation :

"In first hand, the fight between Minotauro and Tim Sylvia was signed hours ago, and it will take place in UFC 81, feb. 2nd, in Las Vegas.

Randy did not reach agreements with UFC and the vague title will be disuputed between Minotauro and Tim"

[fwconquest]

I still can't believe the UFC can't reach some agreement with Randy to allow him to fight in the UFC and pursue other non-UFC fights. He's just trying to prove he's the best of the best and not everyone is in the UFC

[Mustkill9]

I just bet $440 on Huerta on Dec 8th.
Roger Huerta ( Money Line +125 ) for Game Risking 440.00 To Win 550.00 USD

If he loses I'm gonna be a little upset.

At +125 I was like "you're smoking crack."

I put money on 2 UFC fights this year. Won 300 bucks on Kongo and 550 on Huerta. Not bad...

[PerpetualHeaven]

Smart decision. Everyone know Huerta was going to win. I bet you were scared for your money a couple of times. That was a GREAT FIGHT NIGHT. Ohhh man was it ever good.

I'm not shocked by most of the wins. So please be aware spoilers are coming:

First, Arroyo vs John - MMmmmm, Arroyo has no stand up game whatsoever but his BJJ is fantastic. He's a brown belt yeah, but wow. His BJJ is on par if not better then George (who is a black belt and trains with Serra now). That swing of the cage was genius. Amazing arm bar.

J-Rock vs War Machine - WOW! What a fight! I knew Warmachine was going to win. He has been training with some of the best fighters and he has the power, strength, and skill to win. He needs a ton of fine tuning though. He should have finished the fight a couple of times. Same with J-Rock. He needs some fine tuning also. Either of them should have finished the fight earlier with so many opportunities.

Danzig vs Speer - Danzig just killed him. No contest. He wiped the floor with everyone in this contest. It wasn't even fair to put him in it. Nothing to say here. Danzig has a bright future ahead of him. Speer also will probably get picked up by Hughes to get trained. The man is a power house. Can't wait to see more from him in the future.

Miles vs George - George. Holy Canoly. They said he was one of the best in TUF and he proved. His BJJ is fantastic. His stand up game needs some fine tuning though. He also has a bright future.

Barrera vs Saunders - Saunders is just too damn good. Wow. His stand up and BJJ are really good. Barrera is an idiot. He fought horribly.

Rude boy vs Hightower - Hightower is HORRIBLE. His stand up is so wild. Rude boy just KO'd him. There were a couple of opportunities to finish it early but meh.

Anyways yeah... awesome night. :D Loved it.

[darkXhawk]

Smart decision. Everyone know Huerta was going to win. I bet you were scared for your money a couple of times. That was a GREAT FIGHT NIGHT. Ohhh man was it ever good.

I'm not shocked by most of the wins. So please be aware spoilers are coming:

First, Arroyo vs John - MMmmmm, Arroyo has no stand up game whatsoever but his BJJ is fantastic. He's a brown belt yeah, but wow. His BJJ is on par if not better then George (who is a black belt and trains with Serra now). That swing of the cage was genius. Amazing arm bar.

J-Rock vs War Machine - WOW! What a fight! I knew Warmachine was going to win. He has been training with some of the best fighters and he has the power, strength, and skill to win. He needs a ton of fine tuning though. He should have finished the fight a couple of times. Same with J-Rock. He needs some fine tuning also. Either of them should have finished the fight earlier with so many opportunities.

Danzig vs Speer - Danzig just killed him. No contest. He wiped the floor with everyone in this contest. It wasn't even fair to put him in it. Nothing to say here. Danzig has a bright future ahead of him. Speer also will probably get picked up by Hughes to get trained. The man is a power house. Can't wait to see more from him in the future.

Miles vs George - George. Holy Canoly. They said he was one of the best in TUF and he proved. His BJJ is fantastic. His stand up game needs some fine tuning though. He also has a bright future.

Barrera vs Saunders - Saunders is just too damn good. Wow. His stand up and BJJ are really good. Barrera is an idiot. He fought horribly.

Rude boy vs Hightower - Hightower is HORRIBLE. His stand up is so wild. Rude boy just KO'd him. There were a couple of opportunities to finish it early but meh.

Anyways yeah... awesome night. :D Loved it.

I had to work so I missed it. Watched the videos last night when I got home. but what was this huge announcement supposed to be by Dana? I looked all over and all I could find were rumors of what it might be. One rumor was that Rampage and Griffin were to be coaches for the next season, giving Griffin his much deserved title shot at the finale.

[PerpetualHeaven]

The big announcement was Forrest Griffin being the season 7 coach. There's speculation that Rampage would be the other coach because Griffin is a light heavyweight fighter. So yeah, it's probably going to be Quinton Jackson but no one knows really. Only annoucement was Forrest Griffin is a TUF 7 coach.

[Mustkill9]

At the very end of the show, they said to watch the Spike TV Video Game Awards Sunday night, and they would be announcing who the other coach would be. Forrest Griffin they announced on Saturday. Well I'm 99% sure that's what they said.

Now that I think about it, they probably are going to announce Quinton Jackson or something as huge. They wouldn't want to be anticlimatic by telling us about Jackson last night, after half the people have turned off the TV, and then on Sunday they tell us ...and Forest Griffin. We'd all be like, uh. Yay.

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Yeah I did think Guida was going to win the fight a couple of times. At the end of round 2 I had it Guida 2 rounds to 0, even though they were close. At that point I thought Huerta was going to lose. Then I saw this angry, evil smirk on Huerta's face that I never saw before as round 3 started. If he can fight with that same intesity that he showed in round 3 at all times, he has the potential to be the champion. Or at least second to Sherk.

[Adam Miller]

Well i just watched the fights and wow some were a lot better than i expected.

War Machine went to war, Danzig did as good as anyone could and George and Matt also both got wins and the min event was quality. Great night of fights.

Someone on Sherdog posted that they announced Rampage and Griffin at the awards and speculation has been them to for a long time now. Both are funny so it should overcome the huge rivalry they usually have going on between coaches. :)

EDIT: UFC site makes it official Rampage and Forrest...so who would win. :)

[PerpetualHeaven]

At the very end of the show, they said to watch the Spike TV Video Game Awards Sunday night, and they would be announcing who the other coach would be. Forrest Griffin they announced on Saturday. Well I'm 99% sure that's what they said.

Now that I think about it, they probably are going to announce Quinton Jackson or something as huge. They wouldn't want to be anticlimatic by telling us about Jackson last night, after half the people have turned off the TV, and then on Sunday they tell us ...and Forest Griffin. We'd all be like, uh. Yay.

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Yeah I did think Guida was going to win the fight a couple of times. At the end of round 2 I had it Guida 2 rounds to 0, even though they were close. At that point I thought Huerta was going to lose. Then I saw this angry, evil smirk on Huerta's face that I never saw before as round 3 started. If he can fight with that same intesity that he showed in round 3 at all times, he has the potential to be the champion. Or at least second to Sherk.

Sherk, in my opinion, is overrated. BJ Penn will easily defeat him. There's no question in that. BJ Penn is the best lightweight in the division and he's going to be the champion again. Problem with Sherk is he's not a finisher. He relies on decisions too much. You need a finisher to beat Sherk. I think after Kenny Florian's 3 fights after the Sherk match, I think it's safe to say that Florian could probably beat Sherk now.

Huerta's stand up is intimidating. He has some really powerful punches and kicks. He needs to work on his accuracy though. There are better lightweights then him in my opinion. Joe Stevenson, BJ Penn, and Kenny Florian are better then Huerta. Just my opinion though. Guida isn't that good. He's lost to some mediocre fighters.

EDIT: UFC site makes it official Rampage and Forrest...so who would win.

Rampage by Death. Rampage is probably the strongest Light heavyweight and his wrestling is sick. Once he beat Dan Henderson, he established himself as the best light heavyweight in the world. Seriously, it'll be a good match but I don't think there is a chance. I'm still shocked he choked out Rua. Rua defeated Jackson before. So I really, it's quite confusing. But thinking about current dominance, Jackson. Griffin did lose to Jardine... soooo. I don't know. It's going to be a good TUF 7 though :D

[Adam Miller]

Rampage by Death. Rampage is probably the strongest Light heavyweight and his wrestling is sick. Once he beat Dan Henderson, he established himself as the best light heavyweight in the world. Seriously, it'll be a good match but I don't think there is a chance. I'm still shocked he choked out Rua. Rua defeated Jackson before. So I really, it's quite confusing. But thinking about current dominance, Jackson. Griffin did lose to Jardine... soooo. I don't know. It's going to be a good TUF 7 though :D

MMA Math does not work at all. I was not shocked he beat Shogun in the way he did but i was shocked at Shoguns shape and lack of training. On a different day Forrest could have died. Also i know Rampage is a great fighter but i dont think hes done so much since he joined the UFC to get the praise he gets..the fight with Henderson was close and Henderson did have to bulk up. I also believe he caught Liddell and it was Liddells fault he lost rather than Rampage fighting well. I think with a good gameplan you can never say Forrest doesn't have a chance of beating anyone.

Im going with Rampage thugh, should be a good season. Dana said hes really gonna mix things up this season too, anyone think he means anything or just hype?

[PerpetualHeaven]

MMA Math does not work at all. I was not shocked he beat Shogun in the way he did but i was shocked at Shoguns shape and lack of training. On a different day Forrest could have died. Also i know Rampage is a great fighter but i dont think hes done so much since he joined the UFC to get the praise he gets..the fight with Henderson was close and Henderson did have to bulk up. I also believe he caught Liddell and it was Liddells fault he lost rather than Rampage fighting well. I think with a good gameplan you can never say Forrest doesn't have a chance of beating anyone.

Im going with Rampage thugh, should be a good season. Dana said hes really gonna mix things up this season too, anyone think he means anything or just hype?

Nah. Jackson beat him fair and square. He beat Liddell before. Also look at Liddell as of late. He lost to Jardine also. Jardine is a good fighter but not that great in my opinion. Surprisingly he's ranked 4th best light heavyweight by Sherdog.

Anyways, Liddell has two losses in a row now. I thought he was always an overrated fighter. Jackson is the real deal. He's been established as one of the better light heavyweights for quite sometime. I think the only difference now is that he gets to fight on American turf whereas he was always fighting overseas in PRIDE. Totally different aura. I think that's why guys like Cro Cop, Shogun, and Henderson have had a tough time. Octagon and America is a totally different atmosphere. For Jackson, it's like coming home since he's American.

Also, I can't say bulking is a reasonable excuse for Henderson. He's fought a ton of fights in the light heavyweight division. He beat Wanderlei at 205. So really, if he can beat Wanderlei at 205, there is no real excuse.

I think Forrest is a little overrated or actually a lot. A lot of people agree he's the most overrated fighter. His two fights with Stephen Bonnar were generally extremely close. Stephen Bonnar (one of my favourite fighters), and as much as I love him, is not that great. I think Rashad Evans is better then Griffin is to be honest. As for the Shogun fight, meh. I still think Shogun is far superior. His fault for let himself get choked out.

I think Jackson will probably sweep floor with Griffin. The strength difference is huge. Also, Jackson has probably one of the best wrestling skills in light heavyweight with Rashad Evans probably having the best wrestling skills. There's also something most people don't know about him and that's his stand up is actually incredible. You said Chuck got caught, but you underestimate the stand up talent of Jackson. Rampage had a win over a dude name Abidi or something like that. It was in K-1 which is basically all stand up. From my research, Abidi is a world champion Muay Thai fighter and a kickboxing champion. Jackson beat him twice in K-1: once by knockout and once by decision.

The thing I'm more excited about is Silva vs Henderson. Henderson obviously had the PRIDE middleweight championship belt for Middleweight. I think this will be Anderson Silva's toughest match yet. Hopefully someone will finally dethrone the so far unstoppable Silva.

As for TUF, it's going to be awesome but after seeing TUF 6, I don't know if anything can top it. TUF 6 BY FAR had the most talented cast: George, Warmachine, J-Rock, Matt Arroyo, Danzig, Joe Scarola (idiot I can't believe he quit), Ben Saunders, Tommy Speer, and Rude Boy. Like those are all honestly guys I can see with a future.

Only thing I'm happy for is that it's a middle weight season. You can tell that division is severely lacking when you have to have two light heavyweight coaches. So any new talent, I'll be happy.

[Adam Miller]

Nah. Jackson beat him fair and square. He beat Liddell before. Also look at Liddell as of late. He lost to Jardine also. Jardine is a good fighter but not that great in my opinion. Surprisingly he's ranked 4th best light heavyweight by Sherdog.

Anyways, Liddell has two losses in a row now. I thought he was always an overrated fighter. Jackson is the real deal. He's been established as one of the better light heavyweights for quite sometime. I think the only difference now is that he gets to fight on American turf whereas he was always fighting overseas in PRIDE. Totally different aura. I think that's why guys like Cro Cop, Shogun, and Henderson have had a tough time. Octagon and America is a totally different atmosphere. For Jackson, it's like coming home since he's American.

Also, I can't say bulking is a reasonable excuse for Henderson. He's fought a ton of fights in the light heavyweight division. He beat Wanderlei at 205. So really, if he can beat Wanderlei at 205, there is no real excuse.

I think Forrest is a little overrated or actually a lot. A lot of people agree he's the most overrated fighter. His two fights with Stephen Bonnar were generally extremely close. Stephen Bonnar (one of my favourite fighters), and as much as I love him, is not that great. I think Rashad Evans is better then Griffin is to be honest. As for the Shogun fight, meh. I still think Shogun is far superior. His fault for let himself get choked out.

I think Jackson will probably sweep floor with Griffin. The strength difference is huge. Also, Jackson has probably one of the best wrestling skills in light heavyweight with Rashad Evans probably having the best wrestling skills. There's also something most people don't know about him and that's his stand up is actually incredible. You said Chuck got caught, but you underestimate the stand up talent of Jackson. Rampage had a win over a dude name Abidi or something like that. It was in K-1 which is basically all stand up. From my research, Abidi is a world champion Muay Thai fighter and a kickboxing champion. Jackson beat him twice in K-1: once by knockout and once by decision.

The thing I'm more excited about is Silva vs Henderson. Henderson obviously had the PRIDE middleweight championship belt for Middleweight. I think this will be Anderson Silva's toughest match yet. Hopefully someone will finally dethrone the so far unstoppable Silva.

As for TUF, it's going to be awesome but after seeing TUF 6, I don't know if anything can top it. TUF 6 BY FAR had the most talented cast: George, Warmachine, J-Rock, Matt Arroyo, Danzig, Joe Scarola (idiot I can't believe he quit), Ben Saunders, Tommy Speer, and Rude Boy. Like those are all honestly guys I can see with a future.

Only thing I'm happy for is that it's a middle weight season. You can tell that division is severely lacking when you have to have two light heavyweight coaches. So any new talent, I'll be happy.

I have wrote less than that in English Essay Exam's.

Chucks fight with Jardine was close they both knoked each other down and a split decision is just an oppinion if that was an old non timed fight i think Chuck would have had it.

Im not giving an excuse for Henderson he is still a great fighter but he had only just won the belt and it was a close fight with Rampage.

I also think that SHogun i much better than Griffin but Forrest did beat him and if he didnt get the choke he would have won a decision. I think a lot of the TUFs are over rated. I dont think Rashad is as good as Forrest and there is no way Jardine is #4 LHW in the world but Sherdog ranks on recent accomplishments.

I dont underestimate Jackson's stand up i highly rank him but that punch against Liddell was completely flush as he was shuffling. I have also seen the fights with Ciril Abidi and he never did any good in K-1 though did he?

Also there is no way Evans is the greatest wrestler, Rampage does have good wrestling now though i would like to see him fight Thiago Silva.

Rampage for the fight though but i dont believe they are No#1 and 2 do you?

[PerpetualHeaven]

I have wrote less than that in English Essay Exam's.

Chucks fight with Jardine was close they both knoked each other down and a split decision is just an oppinion if that was an old non timed fight i think Chuck would have had it.

Im not giving an excuse for Henderson he is still a great fighter but he had only just won the belt and it was a close fight with Rampage.

I also think that SHogun i much better than Griffin but Forrest did beat him and if he didnt get the choke he would have won a decision. I think a lot of the TUFs are over rated. I dont think Rashad is as good as Forrest and there is no way Jardine is #4 LHW in the world but Sherdog ranks on recent accomplishments.

I dont underestimate Jackson's stand up i highly rank him but that punch against Liddell was completely flush as he was shuffling. I have also seen the fights with Ciril Abidi and he never did any good in K-1 though did he?

Also there is no way Evans is the greatest wrestler, Rampage does have good wrestling now though i would like to see him fight Thiago Silva.

Rampage for the fight though but i dont believe they are No#1 and 2 do you?

I can't help it, I like to write a lot :)

I still think Rashad is as good as Forrest. That's just my personal opinion. He used to fight at heavyweight, so he obviously has great power and strength. His stand up and submissions are lacking, but his wrestling and GnP are fantastic. I think he probably does have the best wrestling in the light heavyweight. For his wrestling, he wrestled for Michigan State University. From what I'm reading on wikipedia, he's one of the only four people to beat a legend named Greg Jones. His wrestling career was fairly impressive. It's just my personal opinion that he has the best wrestling in the light heavyweight. If we're talking best wrestler, I would go with Koscheck.

As for Abidi. The year after he was a K-1 Finalist. So yeah, he's actually pretty good. 2 years before that he was world champion Muay Thai fighter. Another world champion Muay Thai fighter is Anderson Silva. So Abidi is no joke. He does have quite a few losses, but he's still quite especially to be a 2003 finalist.

What do you mean by them being #1 and #2?

[Adam Miller]

but he's still quite especially to be a 2003 finalist.

What do you mean by them being #1 and #2?

Yeh theres no doubt hes still quite. :p

What i meant was Rampage and Forrest being the top two LHW's in the UFC.

Side note: Anyone else heard things about the UFC and the WEC..

[PerpetualHeaven]

Yeh theres no doubt hes still quite. :p

What i meant was Rampage and Forrest being the top two LHW's in the UFC.

Side note: Anyone else heard things about the UFC and the WEC..

Har Har Har! ;) Unless your grammar and spelling is perfect there isn't much you can say. So ha! Face!

Oh yeah, Rampage is the top light heavyweight in the UFC. He beat Liddell then Henderson. Only people who stand in his way are Jardine, Wanderlei, and Griffin. I guess Griffin is the number one contender right now after beating Shogun. Honestly, I don't know. It's random.

I mean Wanderlei is in the UFC now. He destroyed Rampage before. I think Wanderlei may become the number one LHW in the UFC. Wanderlei has fought all over the place. He's fought best at LHW, lost a couple of times at Heavyweight then Middleweight. He's real scary.. to me at least. That stare... brrrrr. I think he'll smoke Liddell then smoke Jackson. As you can tell, I'm a Wanderlei fan boy :D

So from my point of view this is the LHW for UFC (in my opinion):

1) Wanderlei Silva
2) Quinton Jackson
3) Shogun Rua
Everything from here on is random.. it can be placed anyway:
4) Keith Jardine (awesome track record thus far)
5) Rashad Evans
6) Forrest Griffin
7) Chuck Liddell
8) Thiago Silva (this one is debatable. He might be number 4)

If Vitor Belfort every came back and stop being a faggot, then he would be number one. But it won't happen because he's a douche bag and ruined his career.

[Mustkill9]

You guys said so much, and there's so much to discuss, but I try to stick with only opinions that I feel pretty strong about- and a lot of what you guys are talking about I'm honestly not positive if I agree or not. You both sound like you know MMA as well as anybody.

I have 2 responses for Perpetual though. First is I thought Koscheck was the best wrestler in the UFC too. Then we watched St Pierre completely outwrestle him in their fight. You saw that fight right? Actually my predictions have been really good, but I actually saw Koscheck as the future welterweight champion. I know I was alone on that one, and there is a ton of welterweight competition- but I really believed that he was that good, and improving that rapidly. St Pierre showed me how mortal Koscheck is.

Also, if you doubt Sean Sherk, what I need you to do is watch UFC All Access with Sean Sherk. Then rewatch the fight he had with Hermes Franca, who is underrated (even though he was fighting for the belt that night). Straight up, I have never seen anybody as hellbent on being a MMA champion as Sherk. And I realize there are guys that sleep with the belt, think about their upcoming fights all day and all night, train all day long. I sat there watching UFC All Access with Sean Sherk with my jaw dropped. He has the most intense workout routine possible, he is obsessed with eating literally the most productive health foods and nothing else, and I think it said he takes 21 supplements 3 times a day. And then we find out he was on steroids too? I'm not sure how he's going to come back mentally from what's happened to his MMA life, but before he was stripped of his belt, I firmly believe that he was the most dominant MMA fighter in his weight class in the world. I'm talking better than Silva at 185.

[Adam Miller]

Those rankings are not that bad based on what has happened is but its hard to rank when you know what people can do and haven't yet or you look at overall records without seeing the fights, but from what they have done in the ufc and of late those rankings are spot on.

Im a fan of Wand too and he will get to to number one but isn't at the moment and where is Henderson at? Great rankings though. :)

Belfort is still Cage Rage LHW champion and he said a while ago he would like to come to the UFC but i don't see it happening his career is not gonna make a huge comeback he has been through quite a lot.

I do rate Koscheck as probably the top wrestler but you have put GSP up there now too, if a had to name one guy who was really going to dominate in 2008 I'm going with him.

I can exclusively reveal upcoming footage on how Rampage is gonna beat Forrest in The Ultimate Dancer...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiKWhKaxYEk&eurl=http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=690569

[darkXhawk]

You guys said so much, and there's so much to discuss, but I try to stick with only opinions that I feel pretty strong about- and a lot of what you guys are talking about I'm honestly not positive if I agree or not. You both sound like you know MMA as well as anybody.

I have 2 responses for Perpetual though. First is I thought Koscheck was the best wrestler in the UFC too. Then we watched St Pierre completely outwrestle him in their fight. You saw that fight right? Actually my predictions have been really good, but I actually saw Koscheck as the future welterweight champion. I know I was alone on that one, and there is a ton of welterweight competition- but I really believed that he was that good, and improving that rapidly. St Pierre showed me how mortal Koscheck is.

Also, if you doubt Sean Sherk, what I need you to do is watch UFC All Access with Sean Sherk. Then rewatch the fight he had with Hermes Franca, who is underrated (even though he was fighting for the belt that night). Straight up, I have never seen anybody as hellbent on being a MMA champion as Sherk. And I realize there are guys that sleep with the belt, think about their upcoming fights all day and all night, train all day long. I sat there watching UFC All Access with Sean Sherk with my jaw dropped. He has the most intense workout routine possible, he is obsessed with eating literally the most productive health foods and nothing else, and I think it said he takes 21 supplements 3 times a day. And then we find out he was on steroids too? I'm not sure how he's going to come back mentally from what's happened to his MMA life, but before he was stripped of his belt, I firmly believe that he was the most dominant MMA fighter in his weight class in the world. I'm talking better than Silva at 185.

I did the exact same thing you did during All Access. I couldn't believe what he was putting himself through. I had a new found respect for him after watching that show, and then I heard about the steroids :( Hopefully he has learned his lesson and can come back and regain that title. He's probably the most dedicated fighter in the UFC.

When it comes to Koscheck, I roll my eyes in annoyance. Yes, he's a good wrestler, but he needs more. His fight with Diego almost put me to fucking sleep. I enjoyed watching GSP dominate him.

EDIT - I also want to add (since I didn't notice anyone else mention it) that Big John McCarthy retired as an active ref after the finale.

[Adam Miller]

EDIT - I also want to add (since I didn't notice anyone else mention it) that Big John McCarthy retired as an active ref after the finale.

Oh yeh i didn't mention that, he should be a hall of famer he has been there since ufc 2.

[PerpetualHeaven]

You guys said so much, and there's so much to discuss, but I try to stick with only opinions that I feel pretty strong about- and a lot of what you guys are talking about I'm honestly not positive if I agree or not. You both sound like you know MMA as well as anybody.

I have 2 responses for Perpetual though. First is I thought Koscheck was the best wrestler in the UFC too. Then we watched St Pierre completely outwrestle him in their fight. You saw that fight right? Actually my predictions have been really good, but I actually saw Koscheck as the future welterweight champion. I know I was alone on that one, and there is a ton of welterweight competition- but I really believed that he was that good, and improving that rapidly. St Pierre showed me how mortal Koscheck is.

Also, if you doubt Sean Sherk, what I need you to do is watch UFC All Access with Sean Sherk. Then rewatch the fight he had with Hermes Franca, who is underrated (even though he was fighting for the belt that night). Straight up, I have never seen anybody as hellbent on being a MMA champion as Sherk. And I realize there are guys that sleep with the belt, think about their upcoming fights all day and all night, train all day long. I sat there watching UFC All Access with Sean Sherk with my jaw dropped. He has the most intense workout routine possible, he is obsessed with eating literally the most productive health foods and nothing else, and I think it said he takes 21 supplements 3 times a day. And then we find out he was on steroids too? I'm not sure how he's going to come back mentally from what's happened to his MMA life, but before he was stripped of his belt, I firmly believe that he was the most dominant MMA fighter in his weight class in the world. I'm talking better than Silva at 185.

GSP is pretty good. He actually trains with the national team and the number 4th or 5th ranked wrestler in the world I believe it was. I still think Koscheck is the best but sometimes you will always get outwrestled. The best always lose at something.

As for Sherk, I know he's a determined guy. He's just not a finisher type guy. You can tell he trains hard because his conditioning is incredible. He's always pumped throughout the fights but still, Kenny Florian could beat him now I think. BJ Penn will obviously beat him so there's nothing to really say about that. Actually, no one is going to beat BJ Penn. He's a natural lightweight and he fights in welterweight too. So he's obvioulsy got great power. I don't think he was more dominant but that's all about opinions. I still think Joe Stevenson, BJ Penn, and Florian are better. And Lightweight is the most abundant in talent, and there's probably going to be better guys. Plus, you mentioned he used steroids, so he was cheating.

Those rankings are not that bad based on what has happened is but its hard to rank when you know what people can do and haven't yet or you look at overall records without seeing the fights, but from what they have done in the ufc and of late those rankings are spot on.

Im a fan of Wand too and he will get to to number one but isn't at the moment and where is Henderson at? Great rankings though.

Belfort is still Cage Rage LHW champion and he said a while ago he would like to come to the UFC but i don't see it happening his career is not gonna make a huge comeback he has been through quite a lot.

I do rate Koscheck as probably the top wrestler but you have put GSP up there now too, if a had to name one guy who was really going to dominate in 2008 I'm going with him.

Well, I read about Thiago Silva training fro