Official English Premiership Thread

[Gm Godfather]

That handball was a f**king disgrace, Scholes should be thoroughly ashamed of himself for even trying it, if there's one thing I hate, it's cheats!! I really hope SAF gave him the hair dryer treatment for that one!

Utd were really poor and once again (as against Newcastle) seem to lack the usual creative spark that makes them so watchable. Everyone was pretty poor, Neville seemed REALLY shaky and Ferdinand was back to his forgetful self, the amount times he let things go was shocking (Thank god for Vidic). Tevez was the ONLY Utd player out there earning his money (I've said it before, IMO he's the real star at Utd cause he works his socks off every game!). In the end it was only fitting that Utd lost as Zenit wanted it more, and got what they deserved!

Sounds like a man after my own heart, can't beat footie and a takeaway! Defo having a takeway with MOTD tonight (NO ONE tell me any results, as I wanna be surprised!).

Lineker, Hansen (TV legend) & Lawro (Not Shearer!) with the best of the days action + Chicken & Mushroom Madras = Saturday nights bliss!

BTW - I only know one result and it's WOLVES 5 - Nott's Forest 1, come on Super-Mick, might be seeing that old black and gold in the Prem next year!!

I have to agree 100%, United are lacking a Cantona, Teddy or Best type of Player at the moment, which could cost us this season add that toour major lack of depth.

The start of the season is a worry as they all appear to have the temperment of "WE WILL WIN" regardless of trying, Fergie NEEDS to Kick some MAJOR ARSE.

I will be upset if United sell Campbell for £7M to Hull.

Tevez and Rooney never stop running and never give up any ball, regardless if it appears to be a waste of time chasing it down.

I have said it every since the Legend left UNITED and the 1 person we have never TRULY replaced "Roy Keane". Yes, I know we have won this and that, be we lack his Leadership, spirit, tackling - If we could find the new Keane that would go a long way to solving our problems.

[Yann]

Today was quite good, I thought.

Tottenham didnt deserve the draw but good ol Frank Lampard messed up and basically passed Dent the ball :).

Liverpool v Villa was boring, and Torres went off injured :(, so it was clear it was going to be a low scoring game. Shame Villa didnt break through!

I dont get Man City at all, they beat good teams a lot then mess up and lose to numpty teams, it's really random!

[LFC2K6]

Today was quite good, I thought.

Tottenham didnt deserve the draw but good ol Frank Lampard messed up and basically passed Dent the ball :).

Liverpool v Villa was boring, and Torres went off injured :(, so it was clear it was going to be a low scoring game. Shame Villa didnt break through!

I dont get Man City at all, they beat good teams a lot then mess up and lose to numpty teams, it's really random!

You should know by now all Liverpool games are boring lol. It's because Rafas' mindset is to set out every game to draw 0-0, if possible push a midfielder other than Gerrard up to help nick a goal. The Torres injury has come really at the wrong time, we can lose Torres or Gerrard separately and cope relatively well, but losing both for 2 weeks+ is a real worry. Especially with Manchester coming to town soon. Time to see what we're made of.

[Ben Sharpe]

There is an international break now the United v Liverpool game is in just less than two weeks.

[Xterm1n8or]

At least Scholesy has a bright future in volleyball once his football career is over. :D

Yeah anyway it was a disgrace, little ginger rabbit ears can do daft things sometimes. But we still love him. :ass

[UK Mylo]

***Breaking News***

Man City have been bought out AGAIN by "Abu Dhabi United Group Investment and Development Limited" (with a name like that, you can tell they'll definitely be "all about the fans") and they have released a press statement claiming that "Man City will finish in 4th place in premier league this season" (OMG, my bullshit detector just went of the chart!).

*Takes out chair and waits for a "United" response (this should be good).

[LFC2K6]

"Man City will finish in 4th place in premier league this season"


Best laugh I've had in a while, No pressure on Hughes then :D

[Gm Godfather]

At least Scholesy has a bright future in volleyball once his football career is over. :D

LOL, I agree. I just don't think he would suit a binki.........

***Breaking News***

Man City have been bought out AGAIN by "Abu Dhabi United Group Investment and Development Limited" (with a name like that, you can tell they'll definitely be "all about the fans") and they have released a press statement claiming that "Man City will finish in 4th place in premier league this season" (OMG, my bullshit detector just went of the chart!).

*Takes out chair and waits for a "United" response (this should be good).

Looks like City will now have shed loads of money to spend in January and next season.

I see Spurs signed the Croatia Defender from City for a reported £8.5M.

Spurs need to finish in the Top 6 at least to justify all this money. £60+Million they have now spent.

[Bax x360a]

***Breaking News***

Man City have been bought out AGAIN by "Abu Dhabi United Group Investment and Development Limited" (with a name like that, you can tell they'll definitely be "all about the fans") and they have released a press statement claiming that "Man City will finish in 4th place in premier league this season" (OMG, my bullshit detector just went of the chart!).

*Takes out chair and waits for a "United" response (this should be good). Ahahahahaha. Poor old Hughes blatently getting the sack though :(
LOL, I agree. I just don't think he would suit a binki.........Don't lie... Scholesy would look awesome in a bikini :p

Why the fook hasen't Berbatov signed yet :mad:

[Amalrik]

My girlfriend is totally crazy about Premier League. Me too indeed.

We watched Aston Villa - Liverpool : her on her TV (with the time difference because she lives in Japan), me on Internet (because I can't catch freely soccer on TV where I live now). Really boring game, she went to bed near the end of the first half and I stopped watching too.

In France, because it's difficult to get Premier League Matches (and maybe because I'm french too), I watch french soccer teams. Olympique Lyonnais (my city's team) wins the championship since 7 years now. I can't wait that the Champions League starts, Ligue 1 Matches are really boring usually.

[Yann]

What's this?!

Berbatov possible Man City move after the new company bought them. I'll get a source in a second.

[Yann]

What's this?!

Berbatov possible Man City move after the new company bought them. I'll get a source in a second.

Berbatov Move to Man City

Mark Hughes has told Sky Sports News that Spurs have accepted Manchester City's shock bid for Dimitar Berbatov. The Bulgaria international has been a target for Premier League champions Manchester United throughout the summer, but City have now stepped in with an audacious last-minute move.
City's offer for Berbatov is reported to be in excess of £30million and would set a new British transfer record.
Hughes revealed that a fee had been agreed with the North London club and he now plans to hold talks with the talented striker.
Berbatov has been left out of Juande Ramos' plans for the club's last two matches, with the coach feeling his presence was a disruptive influence on the rest of the squad.
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson admitted at the end of last week he was unsure if the deal would go through before Monday's midnight deadline.
But talks between the two clubs were believed to be ongoing as the clock ticked down.
However, City have now joined the race and are looking to hijack the move, having earlier sold Vedran Corluka to Spurs.


Source : http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4079243,00.html

[LFC2K6]

Berbatov Move to Man City

Mark Hughes has told Sky Sports News that Spurs have accepted Manchester City's shock bid for Dimitar Berbatov. The Bulgaria international has been a target for Premier League champions Manchester United throughout the summer, but City have now stepped in with an audacious last-minute move.
City's offer for Berbatov is reported to be in excess of £30million and would set a new British transfer record.
Hughes revealed that a fee had been agreed with the North London club and he now plans to hold talks with the talented striker.
Berbatov has been left out of Juande Ramos' plans for the club's last two matches, with the coach feeling his presence was a disruptive influence on the rest of the squad.
United boss Sir Alex Ferguson admitted at the end of last week he was unsure if the deal would go through before Monday's midnight deadline.
But talks between the two clubs were believed to be ongoing as the clock ticked down.
However, City have now joined the race and are looking to hijack the move, having earlier sold Vedran Corluka to Spurs.


Source : http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4079243,00.html

Steal of the century if this goes through, I honestly believe he will still goto United, however money is talking it seems. I wish Liverpool could do things like this :(

[Pheonix_Assassin]

Chelsea will win the league and the rest man utd are gonna do shit this season fergie should hav retired last year on a high but no so what does he do buy no one and look we are shit and he should have endde this berba shit weeks ago and look man city have him FUCK MAN UTD THIS YEAR WE WILL FINISH 5th and i hope we do so fergie gets sacked p;lz David sack the prick

[Bax x360a]

I'll be so pissed off if Berba goes to City :mad: We're a joke if we don't sign him today; it's obvious for everyone to see that we need a striker, and with the sale of Saha we should have the cash, so why the feck aren't we signing anyone!!!

[Yann]

I'll be so pissed off if Berba goes to City :mad: We're a joke if we don't sign him today; it's obvious for everyone to see that we need a striker, and with the sale of Saha we should have the cash, so why the feck aren't we signing anyone!!!

Apparently Klaas-Jan Huntleaar Has been sighted at Manchester Airport

Could be total BS but it's on the BBC site none the less

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7590492.stm

[stephenmilne27]

I'll be so pissed off if Berba goes to City :mad: We're a joke if we don't sign him today; it's obvious for everyone to see that we need a striker, and with the sale of Saha we should have the cash, so why the feck aren't we signing anyone!!!

Correct me if i am wrong but didn't Saha move to Everton for free?:confused:

[Pheonix_Assassin]

Correct me if i am wrong but didn't Saha move to Everton for free?:confused: yh i think so

[Yann]

I would love to have seen Mark Hughes face when he was told: 'You have £100m in transfer funds but only 12 hours to spend it. Right. Ready. Go.'"

City are throwing around a lot of money today. Rumour has it that Berbatov is getting a medical at Utd as we speak. Today is very exciting lol.

Also so far City has been linked with Robinho, Berbatov, Villa and Gomez lol. This is pretty funny

[Yann]

Berbatov has passed his medical at UTD. All he has to do and sign on the dotted line and Utd have a chance of beating City this season lol. (Joking of course)

EDIT: BERBATOV HAS SIGNED FOR UNITED

[Bax x360a]

Apparently Klaas-Jan Huntleaar Has been sighted at Manchester Airport

Could be total BS but it's on the BBC site none the less

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7590492.stmHaha. I love totally fake rumours like that :)
Correct me if i am wrong but didn't Saha move to Everton for free?:confused:Not for free no, just an undisclosed fee, meaning the clubs are keeping it private for some reason.
Berbatov has passed his medical at UTD. All he has to do and sign on the dotted line and Utd have a chance of beating City this season lol. (Joking of course)

EDIT: BERBATOV HAS SIGNED FOR UNITED He's not officially signed yet, he's at Old Trafford literally about to put pen to paper when Berba and the club agree on terms. He hasen't actually written his signature, but it's just a matter of time :D:D

[Yann]

Haha. I love totally fake rumours like that :)
Not for free no, just an undisclosed fee, meaning the clubs are keeping it private for some reason.
He's not officially signed yet, he's at Old Trafford literally about to put pen to paper when Berba and the club agree on terms. He hasen't actually written his signature, but it's just a matter of time :D:D

You sure, Sky Sports was going absolutley mental when they got the information through lol.

Robinho at Man City, it'll be very interesting. Shame the bloody Arab company didnt come to City sooner, they could of had Messi, Ronaldo, Kaka, Aguero and Berbatov aswell as Robinho lol.

[Ben Sharpe]

Chelsea will win the league and the rest man utd are gonna do shit this season fergie should hav retired last year on a high but no so what does he do buy no one and look we are shit and he should have endde this berba shit weeks ago and look man city have him FUCK MAN UTD THIS YEAR WE WILL FINISH 5th and i hope we do so fergie gets sacked p;lz David sack the prick


I hope you are fucking joking you munter.



Berbs it seems is a United player, has been given the no. 9 shirt according to SSN, and the team photographer has been called. :)

[Yann]

Ok it's offically 12, wheres my Berbatov announcment :|

[Bax x360a]

Sky Sports: "We are still waiting for absolute confirmation about Berbatov"

Surely he wouldn't be shaking hands with Fergie and David Gill and then miss the bloody deadline :eek:

[Ben Sharpe]

Ok it's offically 12, wheres my Berbatov announcment :|


If it has happened it might not get announced till the morning

[Yann]

Sky Sports: "We are still waiting for absolute confirmation about Berbatov"

Surely he wouldn't be shaking hands with Fergie and David Gill and then miss the bloody deadline :eek:

Official conformation that Man City have Robinho, Chelsea will be pissed off.

Also 0001: "Every time I have spoken with him he was very sad, crying and asking to leave Spain," said Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon of Robinho.

[Xterm1n8or]

It's official, Berbatov signs a 4 year deal with Utd for £30.75 million. Frazier Campbell goes on a 1 year loan to Spurs.

Get in there!

[WaDiNhO]

OMG I am so pissed off!!!!!!!
I just typed an extremely long post only for my laptop to fuck up and delete everything I typed, so here it goes, ill keep it short.

GET IN THERE!!! Finally we have signed Berbatov for £30.75m:eek: Fraizer campbell's gone the other way on a season long loan but I couldn't give a shit:p
OMG what a day its been for City, rich arabs buying the club and signing Robinho, one of the best strikers in the world:eek: I laughed so hard when I found out, haha unlucky Chelsea.

I did type out a whole list of todays transfers but I cba doing it again so Ill keep it to the main ones:

Albert Riera - Espanyol to Liverpool - Undisc
Roman Pavlyuchenko - Spartak Moscow to Totthenham - £14m
Xisco - Deportivo to Newscastle - Undisc
Vedran Corluka - Man City to Totthenham - £8.5m
Louis Saha - Man United to Everton - Undisc
Steve Finnan - Liverpool to Espanyol - Undisc
Daniel Cousin - Rangers to Hull - Undisc
Elsewhere in Europe

Ricardo Quaresma - FC Porto to Inter Milan - £15
Kerlon - Cruzeiro to Chievo verona - Undisc
Wow, what a day its been, now im just looking forward to seeing Berbatov scoring a hat trick against Liverpool at the weekend:p

[UK Mylo]

For a full list of todays transfers go Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7591366.stm).

Nice to to see Utd finally getting Berbatov, when they get eveybody back fit, they should be a force to be reckoned with, As for City, that's pretty exciting with them signing Robinho (AND out biding Abramhovic for the FIRST TIME), him and Jo should be very entertaining up front, but can't help but think this is ultimately bad news for Hughes, who is almost certainly a gonner at the end of the season (unless a miracle occurs and they DO claim 4 spot).

[JC]

Damn, Chelsea lost Robinho. :(

That is pretty annoying.

[AidanK93]

It's nice to see Arsenal signing some big name players :rolleyes:

[Yann]

Damn, Chelsea lost Robinho. :(

That is pretty annoying.

They still have Deco though, who is doing pretty fantastic for them at the moment.

[LFC2K6]

Well I must say, at 9pm I was thinking Man City were abit of a joke, but by 1am I was in a state of shock on the phone to a friend asking "Where the hell did that come from?"
I do love a transfer that comes from nowhere like that. Good to see Robinho come to England, also good to see the Berbatov appeal worked. I hope Tottenham rot at the bottom of the league. Must say I'm worried for the Merseyside clubs with the lack of spending, though I don't know much about the Midfielder Everton signed for £15m last night. All in all the Premiership just gets better and better!

[vI Starlight Iv]

well we will se at the end of the season robinho sells out for the money and doesnt actually want to play for shitty oh sorry city.....

quiet for london clubs all round really but chelsea and utd first and second then arsenal and liverpool fighting out for 3rd or 4th

[Bax x360a]

now im just looking forward to seeing Berbatov scoring a hat trick against Liverpool at the weekend:p Going to be a bit hard seeing he'll be playing for Bulgaria :p The weekend after against Liverpool though, if he scores a goal, he'll instantly become a Utd legend. Hell, he is already :p

[UK Mylo]

Ladies and gentlemen........ KEVIN KEEGAN has left the building!

Breaking news at this point, but basically he's quit Newcastle becuase of a lack of transfer funds (More likley Ashley realised he made a HUGE mistake by re-hiring him and doesn't want to waste more money with Keegan's signings).

(Source) (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/n/newcastle_united/7593683.stm)

Oh btw to all NUFC fans: I TOLD YOU SO.

[Xanadu17]

Nice to see big Daniel Cousin leave Rangers. Sure he was immense on Sunday against Celtic, but he's wanted out for ages so hopefully Walter will strengthen with the money he got from Hull. Should be a good player for them. And Keegan's left Newcastle.

[Yann]

I wonder who Newcastle will get now that Keegans gone. I also hope it's not Shearer, he probably couldnt handle the job.

[WaDiNhO]

Going to be a bit hard seeing he'll be playing for Bulgaria :p The weekend after against Liverpool though, if he scores a goal, he'll instantly become a Utd legend. Hell, he is already :p
Oh shit yeah, forgot its international matches this weekend:eek:
Oh well, knowing England atm we'll go and concede 7 goals to Andorra with Oscar Sonejee (yes, he's the only Andorran I've heard of) scoring a hat trick.:(

[vI Starlight Iv]

omg okay man city you are not the new chelsea, chelsea had a reputation before we got bought out u have done fuck all for years and will not be signing christiano ronaldo, fabregas, torres lol y would they wanna cum to the shit side of manchester

[Yann]

omg okay man city you are not the new chelsea, chelsea had a reputation before we got bought out u have done fuck all for years and will not be signing christiano ronaldo, fabregas, torres lol y would they wanna cum to the shit side of manchester

lol what, that side of Manchester is going to get better now that the clubs been bought over. If they make international matches in the CL or UEFA Cup that entire side of Manchester is going to get reguvinated from tourists and travelling fans. Manchester Council will probably level a lot of money into the area around it aswell.

[vI Starlight Iv]

i support chelsea yeh and i can confirm 100% city will never pass utd or chelsea

[EvilestBean]

I cant believe Robinho has snubed Chelsea, and yes i support chelsea:D, go to hell Robinho lol:)

[stephenmilne27]

Chelsea wern't exactly a top 3 club when you got taken over so there is nothing stopping man city with the money they have got, your jelous cos your not the richest club anymore :p

just for that hopefully man city become better than chelsea in the next few years and abramovic puts you in debt lol

[UK Mylo]

i support chelsea yeh and i can confirm 100% city will never pass utd or chelsea

You see there's your mistake, Utd is a footballing Dynasty, Chelsea isn't. Your VERY wrong if you think your in the same boat as them. Clubs like Utd, Real, Liverpool, Barcelona, Inter & AC have a long history of success AND are still relatively successful today, and with that comes a prestige that Chelsea DON'T have (Don't say I'm wrong, as you'd be hard pressed to find a non-Chelsea or neutral fan ANYWHERE that said you DIDN'T buy your success). Basically Chelsea's success will ALWAYS seem cynical and tainted to most footballing fans. And because of this you can't confirm anything, you can ONLY hope that it isn't so. Chelsea's recent success is based MASSIVELY on Abramovich's millions (and a teeny tiny amount is based on the Bates/Harding investment of the 90's (we're talking a 95:05 success ratio), so it stands to reason that if someone invested MORE than Abramovich in a club, then that club could be MORE successful than Chelsea.

Clubs like Man U, Liverpool & Arsenal are in the positions they are, because they have a recent history of success, Chelsea are ONLY where they are because of tons of money, Until Abramovich they were a top 6 club (at best) and NEVER a threat for Utd or Arsenal for the league.

Man City COULD surpass Chelsea if the Abu Dhabi Group throw money around like "Roman" did. Look at it this way, Man City HAVE a bigger stadium (Eastland = 48,000, Stanford Bridge = 42,000), they have a big fan base (that like Chelsea's, will definitely get bigger if they start winning, but they could be a bit better off as they've got 6,000 more seats to fill!). The only things that will hold Man City back this season are the lack of quality players, if this deal had happened 2 weeks ago, I'm sure City would have bought more players, but as it stands they'll have to wait til the Jan window, and the other thing is Hughes, unless City finish 4, he's basically gone (and EVEN then, that won't guarantee anything, as if your spending 100m on players, what's 5m on a world-class manager?), a good example of this is Ranieri, he was good at Chelsea, but when money talks "good" isn't "good enough".

Face it, this deal for Man City could possibly make Manchester the BIGGEST footballing city in the world. Really Manchester could be the new Milan! This could also be the hammer that finally smashes the "big-four" dominance and re-shapes the premier league again. Remember Chelsea fans, YOU WEREN'T ALWAYS CHALLENGING FOR THE LEAGUE! Things change in football, ask any Liverpool fan, they'll tell you that!).

(BTW - I'm not a Utd fan, it's just the way I see it, so please don't say I've got an agenda of some sorts)

[What The Buck?]

Lol, it's good to see Chelski didn't get their main man and Man U did. :p

Thanks for the 30M, Lads.

[vI Starlight Iv]

chelsea finishes since premier league began

92-11th
93-14th
94-11th
95-11th
96-6th
97-4th
98-3rd-4points adrift
99-5th
00-6th
01-3rd
02-4th
03-2nd-ABRAMOVICH JOINS
04-1st
05-1st
06-2nd
07-2nd

the year represents the season kicked off so consistently in the top 6 for
7 years before abramovich came along and title challenging for many. im not saying we would be were we are if abramovich didnt come, but be seriously city were a mid table side and cannot be compared to chelsea before abramovich

look at the players they had before shinawatra shaun wright phillips and richards what other quality was there now comapre chelsea before abramovich lamps, zola, terry there is no comparison to the clubs before they were bought out

then you look at the stool city sets themselves signing torres, ronaldo and fabregas yeh rite your heads in the sand as city will always be in the shadow of untied and therefore they will not have the ability to attarct that sort of player

however yesterday ended the myth of the top four and replaced it with a top five and widened the gap between those five clubs and everyone else

[LFC2K6]

chelsea finishes since premier league began

92-11th
93-14th
94-11th
95-11th
96-6th
97-4th
98-3rd-4points adrift
99-5th
00-6th
01-3rd
02-4th
03-2nd-ABRAMOVICH JOINS
04-1st
05-1st
06-2nd
07-2nd

the year represents the season kicked off so consistently in the top 6 for
7 years before abramovich came along and title challenging for many. im not saying we would be were we are if abramovich didnt come, but be seriously city were a mid table side and cannot be compared to chelsea before abramovich

look at the players they had before shinawatra shaun wright phillips and richards what other quality was there now comapre chelsea before abramovich lamps, zola, terry there is no comparison to the clubs before they were bought out

then you look at the stool city sets themselves signing torres, ronaldo and fabregas yeh rite your heads in the sand as city will always be in the shadow of untied and therefore they will not have the ability to attarct that sort of player

however yesterday ended the myth of the top four and replaced it with a top five and widened the gap between those five clubs and everyone else

Man City haven't been in this league that long so their previous finishes are abit of an unfair view on their progress. Without anyone being taken over it is clear to me that Man City and Chelsea would be fighting for around 10th place.
However, that's the past, saying City will "always be in the shadow of united" is abit bogus, What if they win the league 15 years straight? A clubs history does not partake to its current position, recent history yes. You say City can't attract players.... they just signed Robinho didn't they? Is he not as close to world class as you can get these days? It's time to face facts, if City pull of a few more big signings like this we have 5 title contenders(6 if Villa keep improving) in the near future. A much needed refreshing challenge, Arsenal & Liverpools spending needs to increase in future windows to cope with these new challenges. Exciting times ahead for the top half of the league, but those in the bottom half must be crying with these stupid sums of money being thrown around.

[vI Starlight Iv]

they were a founding premier league club then got relegated in 96 got back to the prem in 2000 relegated again in 2001 and then promoted again in 2002 breaking all kinds of records in the championship.

the last time chelsea finished below tenth was 12 years ago so what u talking about when u say fighting for tenth...atleast we wuld be in a fight u may just aswell giv liverpool 3rd each year and not worry about them playing any games

robinho sold out like a bitch for the cash he didnt even talk to mark hughes before signing wtf...ur a liverpool fan they actually think its within their capabilitie to sign torres seriously cmon!!!!

[Yann]

Does anyone know what's going on at Newcastle? First Keegan is sacked and now he isnt D:

Also there was an interview with one of the new owners of Man City, at best the guy knows very little about football but he's smart enough to know that if they sink millions into it the club will do well. (I'd become a Man City supporter right now if they brought back Sven)

[stephenmilne27]

Money makes the premierleague, any club which has the financial capabilites which chelsea and man city have will become so much better. But having these foregin owners causes problems. Liverpool with the boardroom troubles, also with Abromovic making whatever decision he wants and god knows what man city are going to be like.

To be honest even though Middlesbrough don't have heavy investments, i am happy because i know behind the scenes it is going well and there is no pressure because we have a fantastic chairman with Steve Gibson and i would rather have him than some Arab because no good players will come to Middlesbrough anyway :p

[UK Mylo]

Money makes the premierleague, any club which has the financial capabilites which chelsea and man city have will become so much better. But having these foregin owners causes problems. Liverpool with the boardroom troubles, also with Abromovic making whatever decision he wants and god knows what man city are going to be like.

To be honest even though Middlesbrough don't have heavy investments, i am happy because i know behind the scenes it is going well and there is no pressure because we have a fantastic chairman with Steve Gibson and i would rather have him than some Arab because no good players will come to Middlesbrough anyway :p

On one level M'Bro are lucky to have Gibson as a chairman, the guy is patient and listens to the fans but doesn't make snap decisions and cares deeply about the club, you only have to compare the stability of M'Bro to the nightmare that Newcastle has, to see the value of a good chairman. But on another level, the guy isn't rich enough to take M'Bro to the top (or not even close to it now). This will be a dilemma that a LOT of clubs will soon face, stick with the familiar and stable face or gamble on a bunch of foreign investors with deep pockets and promises of glory.

As for the "Man City aren't/are the new Chelsea" debate, I'll say this, Chelsea WOULD NOT have won the league or got the CL final without RA's money, he invested in the club and took to the next level. Now IF HE CAN DO THAT, SO CAN OTHER PEOPLE! If "Abu-Dhabi" throws around the kind of money they say they are gonna, they I can't see any reason why they won't compete for the EPL & CL. Once players learn that there's a new money dispenser in town, they'll come running, they always do. You think Ballack, Drogba, Terry & Lampard would still be at Chelsea on 100 grand-a-week if some else was gonna give them 150? You think "Loyality" has anything to do with it? Players play for money and they'll play for whoever has the most of it regardless of the team, and as for anyone thinking that no-one would play for a shit team for £250 grand a week? Two words, Beckham & David.

As for calling Robinho a sell out for not wanting to go to Chelsea, Chelsea fans need to look in the mirror before they start gettin all "preachy" about morals. In football now there's one language, MONEY! I find it STAGGERING that this is somehow lost on a Chelsea fan (Seems like sour grapes from being out-bid IMO).

[LFC2K6]

they were a founding premier league club then got relegated in 96 got back to the prem in 2000 relegated again in 2001 and then promoted again in 2002 breaking all kinds of records in the championship.

the last time chelsea finished below tenth was 12 years ago so what u talking about when u say fighting for tenth...atleast we wuld be in a fight u may just aswell giv liverpool 3rd each year and not worry about them playing any games

robinho sold out like a bitch for the cash he didnt even talk to mark hughes before signing wtf...ur a liverpool fan they actually think its within their capabilitie to sign torres seriously cmon!!!!

If they are willing to offer obscene amounts of money it's within their capability to sign anyone, Chelsea is a fine example. They had no fans, no history, no real chance of success and not a lot of money. Usually these are factors players look at when moving. Now add Abrhamovic, you have money & chances of future success, now suddenly good players start coming along...coincidence? 10 years ago Chelsea were lucky if they had 1 world class player, now they have many. What's to stop Man City making such an improvement? They fill all the criteria Chelsea had when they were taken over (slightly more history and fans).
Robinho just wanted to leave Madrid as he had fallen out with the chairman/manager, the money might of helped but it was really Chelsea digging their own grave not shelling out the extra 5 or so £million that was asked.
As for your jab at Liverpool, I am going to take it that you became a Chelsea fan in 2003? If you looked at a league table for once you'd see Liverpool on the same number of points as Chelsea, up until now the manager has been concentrating his efforts towards the Champions League whilst building a Premiership challenging team, whilst I may not like him I admire how successful he has been in his time here, now his attention is fully on the League we will see just how much better than 3rd it gets, we did after all, lose less games than you last season(we also finished 4th if you bothered to look at the table at all last season). However in the Champions League(Romans holy grail) Rafa has outclassed Mourinho(Chelsea fans holy grail) "You should just hand Chelsea a loss in the semi-final... at least we'll be fighting to win it" Oh and don't slip over running up to reply to the comment ;)


As for the "Man City aren't/are the new Chelsea" debate, I'll say this, Chelsea WOULD NOT have won the league or got the CL final without RA's money, he invested in the club and took to the next level. Now IF HE CAN DO THAT, SO CAN OTHER PEOPLE! If "Abu-Dhabi" throws around the kind of money they say they are gonna, they I can't see any reason why they won't compete for the EPL & CL. Once players learn that there's a new money dispenser in town, they'll come running, they always do. You think Ballack, Drogba, Terry & Lampard would still be at Chelsea on 100 grand-a-week if some else was gonna give them 150? You think "Loyality" has anything to do with it? Players play for money and they'll play for whoever has the most of it regardless of the team, and as for anyone thinking that no-one would play for a shit team for £250 grand a week? Two words, Beckham & David.

As for calling Robinho a sell out for not wanting to go to Chelsea, Chelsea fans need to look in the mirror before they start gettin all "preachy" about morals. In football now there's one language, MONEY! I find it STAGGERING that this is somehow lost on a Chelsea fan (Seems like sour grapes from being out-bid IMO).

I agree 100% people seem to now think Chelsea have divine right to spend big while others don't & Man City, don't have the right to even bid for the same players. City got Chelseas main target this summer & that's a real statement of intent to the rest of the league. Money talks no matter who's hand it's in.

[Bax x360a]

A wage cap needs to be bought in BIG TIME to stop peoplle like Abu-whotheufuck ruining Football and throwing money away. The only reason top players would go to shity is for the money, so if a cap is introduced, say £50,000 a week (which is still high anyway), you'd see the top players stay at their clubs and not give a second thought about City.

[Yann]

A wage cap needs to be bought in BIG TIME to stop peoplle like Abu-whotheufuck ruining Football and throwing money away. The only reason top players would go to shity is for the money, so if a cap is introduced, say £50,000 a week (which is still high anyway), you'd see the top players stay at their clubs and not give a second thought about City.

That'd have to be worldwide otherwise all the footballers would go off to the Spanish and Italian leagues.
Aswell as that then Utd could just get any players they want because Money and Reputation come before Loyalty to club these days.

[TornShaun]

A wage cap needs to be bought in BIG TIME to stop peoplle like Abu-whotheufuck ruining Football and throwing money away. The only reason top players would go to shity is for the money, so if a cap is introduced, say £50,000 a week (which is still high anyway), you'd see the top players stay at their clubs and not give a second thought about City.

Sounds like a bit of jealousy there now City are richer than Utd :)

[TornShaun]

That'd have to be worldwide otherwise all the footballers would go off to the Spanish and Italian leagues.
Aswell as that then Utd could just get any players they want because Money and Reputation come before Loyalty to club these days.

Agreed, oh and Utd do want they want anyway, its one rule for them and one for everyone else, just take the Berbasulk business all summer they have moaned about Madrid and their pursuit of Ronaldo and then they steal Berbasulk from City at the airport without Spurs' permission after unsetteling the player ;)

[Deadly Moves]

A wage cap needs to be bought in BIG TIME to stop peoplle like Abu-whotheufuck ruining Football and throwing money away. The only reason top players would go to shity is for the money, so if a cap is introduced, say £50,000 a week (which is still high anyway), you'd see the top players stay at their clubs and not give a second thought about City.
I've been saying that for years.. Even before Chelsea was bought out..
All the American sports have wage caps. But i doubt it'll happen over here
Money is ruining the beautiful game... :(

Man City will just turn out like Chelsea and the Real Madrid of recent years...
They'll pay silly money far the big name players and they wont gel as a team
They may have brief success, but then Man Utd will put em back in there place ;)

@ TornShaun - Don't believe everything you read in the papers or hear on the news...
Somebody always spins the story to make it sound better.

[Ben Sharpe]

Agreed, oh and Utd do want they want anyway, its one rule for them and one for everyone else, just take the Berbasulk business all summer they have moaned about Madrid and their pursuit of Ronaldo and then they steal Berbasulk from City at the airport without Spurs' permission after unsetteling the player ;)


If they were tapping up Berbatov as you are saying then they wouldn't have signed him, the premier league would have stepped in and stopped the transfer and given a fine to United, Spurs in all likelyhood gave full permission for United to talk to him and so he chose to go speak to Fergie and not sparky.

[Yann]

I feel bad for Shaun Wright-Phillips. He just got over a year of sitting on the bench and now it looks like he's going to be on it again by January! Haha

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1641272.ece?BAC-Y5A002905903

While the source is retarded, the owners have admitted that they want these players.

[Ben Sharpe]

They have no chance getting, any of those targets, they can't go out and buy the best players as they are worth more than any of the respective fees in merchandising, and to the team, they could buy great players but not the best, they are competing for the second tier of players like every big club, as the real top players don't leave theiur clubs all that often and usually not to a team that isn't all that prestigous like Citeh. I expect them to be rebuffed any time they try and sign players like these.

[vI Starlight Iv]

at the end of the day if robinho would have joined chelsea i would be happy......

but all the abu-huthefukru did was look at the paper at who chelse, man utd and arsenal had tried to sign and went bid for all those plahyers without consulting mark hughes at all then he signed a striker and choose to keep michael bull at lb top 4 yeh rite

[WaDiNhO]

Abu-ramafuckingdan should just fuck off back to his own country, Im not being racist, but he should...
He hasn't got a bastard clue about football, and as Starlight said, he just looked at who United and Chelsea were trying to sign and stuck their noses in where it doesn't belong.
And plus there fucking retarded, I mean WTF £125M for Ronaldo, what a wanker, they might be rich but omg... Same as Torres and Fabregas, plus, I doubt they'll wanna go to City anyway.
As for Robinho, tbh i think he'll flop in English football, world class foreign strikers who are heard of always do when they come to the premier league, take Shevchenko for example. I mean, did anybody actually know who players like Berbatov and Drogba?

[Bax x360a]

Abu-ramafuckingdan should just fuck off back to his own country, Im not being racist, but he should...
He hasn't got a bastard clue about football, and as Starlight said, he just looked at who United and Chelsea were trying to sign and stuck their noses in where it doesn't belong.
And plus there fucking retarded, I mean WTF £125M for Ronaldo, what a wanker, they might be rich but omg... Same as Torres and Fabregas, plus, I doubt they'll wanna go to City anyway.
As for Robinho, tbh i think he'll flop in English football, world class foreign strikers who are heard of always do when they come to the premier league, take Shevchenko for example. I mean, did anybody actually know who players like Berbatov and Drogba?Well said sir, well said. £125 million for a player is absurd, but then again so is £30 million. This Abu bloke is taking things WAY too far and threatening the future of football.
I feel bad for Shaun Wright-Phillips. He just got over a year of sitting on the bench and now it looks like he's going to be on it again by January! Haha

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article1641272.ece?BAC-Y5A002905903

While the source is retarded, the owners have admitted that they want these players. Just because they can afford the players doesn't mean the players will actually want to go to the club!

[Thunderbolton]

I just found out that City have approached the Brazilian Ronaldo, but who wants him?? He's past his best days after his World Cup 2002 performance, the guy just went downhill.

[Webb]

Abu-ramafuckingdan should just fuck off back to his own country, Im not being racist, but he should...

How is that different from Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, West Ham? They all have non UK nationals owning them. Stop showing your jealousy guys. Remember, they can only put 11 players on the pitch at one time. Chelsea weren't that powerful after all the money they ploughed in, so it'll be no different here.

[Yann]

I'd expect maybe Ronaldo to go though, considering the transfer saga it seems like he's easily persuaded by money.

Also the Barca fans would burn down the Nou Camp if Messi ever left, thats a fact lol

[Thunderbolton]

Messi wouldn't want to go to City anyways. Even if he did they would still have the rising star Bojan Krkic :D

[Bax x360a]

I just found out that City have approached the Brazilian Ronaldo, but who wants him?? He's past his best days after his World Cup 2002 performance, the guy just went downhill. Sounds like they just want to sign a big name to make a point, even if he is a has-been now.
How is that different from Man U, Liverpool, Chelsea, West Ham? They all have non UK nationals owning them. Stop showing your jealousy guys. Remember, they can only put 11 players on the pitch at one time. Chelsea weren't that powerful after all the money they ploughed in, so it'll be no different here. Chelsea weren't that powerful after all the money ploughed in? They won the league twice in a row!

[Webb]

Chelsea weren't that powerful after all the money ploughed in? They won the league twice in a row!

That's only cause everyone else was so poor though dude. Man U were rebuilding, so were Arsenal and Liverpool were Liverpool. Now, all 3 are different teams and may I add, a LOT stronger.

[Ben Sharpe]

I'd expect maybe Ronaldo to go though, considering the transfer saga it seems like he's easily persuaded by money.

Also the Barca fans would burn down the Nou Camp if Messi ever left, thats a fact lol


He only got his head turned by Real as he was a boyhood fan of the club not the money, and anway he isn't stupid enought to jump ship to citeh.

[sam49]

WOOW! I havent been on these forums for a LOOOOOONNNNGGGG time! Anyway now I'm back and wanna say this: Robinho was drunk when he signed for Man City. Either that or Real Madrid threatened to kill him or something. I mean what a dumb guy. Who would in their right mind go from Madrid to Man City?

[Yann]

New twist in the Newcastle Saga

KEEGAN JUST RESIGNED AS MANAGER OF NEWCASTLE UNITED


Ashley is going to get some Geordie hate for the next couple of months

[sam49]

Kevin Keegan has resigned, but who didn't expect him to resign during the past 2 days? Mike Ashley might as well sell Newcastle because if anything he is going to be the downfall for them.

[stephenmilne27]

Although i support Middlesbrough i feel sorry for Keegan and Newcastle, they had a good manager who had so much passion for the club. Mike Ashley is someone who i do not respect at al and he doesn't seem a trustworthy person.

Also did you see on the BBC website that Robinho made a mistake and called Manchester City Chelsea by accident and said oh ye i meant Man City! Haha that shows where he wants to be!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7597822.stm

[Thunderbolton]

Although i support Middlesbrough i feel sorry for Keegan and Newcastle, they had a good manager who had so much passion for the club. Mike Ashley is someone who i do not respect at al and he doesn't seem a trustworthy person.

Also did you see on the BBC website that Robinho made a mistake and called Manchester City Chelsea by accident and said oh ye i meant Man City! Haha that shows where he wants to be!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7597822.stm

Haha he dropped himself in it there!

I wonder if Middlesbrough can still pull a shock 8-1 result over city again :)

[Yann]

Haha he dropped himself in it there!

I wonder if Middlesbrough can still pull a shock 8-1 result over city again :)

I think Sven had just give up at that stage lol. Also their best defender was sent off at like the 5th minute or something?

[WaDiNhO]

Mike ashley is gunna have to sell up, either that or he'll end up getting set on fire by some angry geordies...
Interesting to see Alan Curbishley resign, tbh he didn't do too well at West Ham, he may have beaten us, but he nearly got them relegated in his first season...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA at Joey Barton, 12 match ban:p He should be banned for life IMHO...

[stephenmilne27]

I think Sven had just give up at that stage lol. Also their best defender was sent off at like the 5th minute or something?

Yeh he had given up lol, i can't see us doing that again!

but ye dunne was sent off early on and it just got better and better :p

[Deadly Moves]

Although i support Middlesbrough i feel sorry for Keegan and Newcastle, they had a good manager who had so much passion for the club. Mike Ashley is someone who i do not respect at al and he doesn't seem a trustworthy person.

Also did you see on the BBC website that Robinho made a mistake and called Manchester City Chelsea by accident and said oh ye i meant Man City! Haha that shows where he wants to be!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_city/7597822.stm
Yeah that was one of the funniest things ive ever seen!!!
Dumb funk doesnt even know which team he signed for...LMAO

It just proved that all he was doing was looking at the wage they were giving him.. Didnt care what team he plays for... Greedy bastard!

[Bax x360a]

Yeah that was one of the funniest things ive ever seen!!!
Dumb funk doesnt even know which team he signed for...LMAO

It just proved that all he was doing was looking at the wage they were giving him.. Didnt care what team he plays for... Greedy bastard! Haha. Money grabbing bastard, makes me hate him even more.

[Thunderbolton]

Mike ashley is gunna have to sell up, either that or he'll end up getting set on fire by some angry geordies...
Interesting to see Alan Curbishley resign, tbh he didn't do too well at West Ham, he may have beaten us, but he nearly got them relegated in his first season...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA at Joey Barton, 12 match ban:p He should be banned for life IMHO...

Haha yeah the ban should have been longer. I feel sorry for Dabo, innocent guy, didn't deserve a beating like that. It always shows pictures of him with a messed up face on sky sports news :(

[LFC2K6]

Mike ashley is gunna have to sell up, either that or he'll end up getting set on fire by some angry geordies...
Interesting to see Alan Curbishley resign, tbh he didn't do too well at West Ham, he may have beaten us, but he nearly got them relegated in his first season...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA at Joey Barton, 12 match ban:p He should be banned for life IMHO...

You really think Curbishley did bad? If I remember right he came along after Pardew refused to play Mascherano and ended up nearly relegating them, Curbishley stepped in and with the help of Tevez saved the hammers, then after their best player left turned them from a relegation battle to a 10th place finish. Not bad for only a seasons work. The beef most people had with him was West Hams style of play, they didn't seem to care about the results(because he was good at getting them) and wanted an improvement on the football on show, but he didn't have the team to do it, got sick of being criticized, then selling players behind his back tipped him over the edge.

Though I do agree with you that Barton should never be allowed to grace the beautiful game ever again. 50/1 that Mike Ashelys house is torched by the end of the week? lol.

[sam49]

Actually TBH Curbishley did very good. They were nearly gauranteed to get relegated but then West Ham got the points in the end. I remember West Ham needed a win against Man Utd in the last day of the season and they did it and last season they finished 10th which is a very solid position for West Ham. All in all Curbishley did good.

[Yann]

International Matches today!

Anyone got any thoughts on the matter? England better win, I cant take their press crying about it for months on end afterwards :S

[MattSpilly]

Listened to the second half on Five Live, didn't seem to miss much. Seemed like Capello wasn't happy with Cole, fair enough he scored both goals, but was playing out of position. The commentators seemed dissapointed with Lampard "again", saying he's not pushing like he would for Chelsea and seems to be holding back(against Andorra?).

What do you think of Keegans depature?

[Deadly Moves]

Listened to the second half on Five Live, didn't seem to miss much. Seemed like Capello wasn't happy with Cole, fair enough he scored both goals, but was playing out of position. The commentators seemed dissapointed with Lampard "again", saying he's not pushing like he would for Chelsea and seems to be holding back(against Andorra?).

What do you think of Keegans depature?
Thats bcos Lampard is shite in an England shirt.. he only only any good when playing for chelsea

[AidanK93]

I don't like watching England play. I'm an Arsenal fan so I love watching them because they play great football. England games just seem to be very dull and boring.

[Ben Sharpe]

Thankfully my freeview wasn't workng or I probabally would have ended up watching that shite lol

But pretty disappointed NI got beaten :(

[Yann]

Thankfully my freeview wasn't workng or I probabally would have ended up watching that shite lol

But pretty disappointed NI got beaten :(

Yeah man, I have no clue how that happens. We are an amazing team, top 30 at least and we cant beat places like Iceland, Slovakia etc. We beat England, Spain, Sweden under Sanchez and after Worthington took over it all went tits up.

[Bax x360a]

England = shite. I don't know why I keep watching them seriously, we are so crap and boring to watch, I fall asleep literally every England game. I vow to only watch the important England matches from now on. Why does International breaks have to take the Premiership away :( Utd > England.

[stephenmilne27]

Yer, England should be sticking 5 + goals against Andorra!

Croatia won didn't they and so did Ukraine so Wednesday's game is key and i hope we beat them.

Can't believe Northern Ireland lost to Slovakia, i expected them to win that match and also Scotland losing to Macedonia that was also a shock.

[Yann]

Yer, England should be sticking 5 + goals against Andorra!

Croatia won didn't they and so did Ukraine so Wednesday's game is key and i hope we beat them.

Can't believe Northern Ireland lost to Slovakia, i expected them to win that match and also Scotland losing to Macedonia that was also a shock.

Andorra had 11 men behind the ball at most oppurtunitys, England getting 5+ goals would be a bit hard.

[vI Starlight Iv]

they played how tottenham played against chelseas except for no runners.tottneham deserved their point because of how they defended with 9 men behind then breaking out. andorra didnt have anything going foward and were never gonna score

i think the commentato set it up perfectly "for andorra they just set them selfs up be organised and then its damage limitation every game" lol

[JC]

Tried to get tickets for the Chelsea V Man U game...but you need around 40 member points. :p

So I just bought some tickets for Chelsea V Villa, which should be a good match. :)

[vI Starlight Iv]

Tried to get tickets for the Chelsea V Man U game...but you need around 40 member points. :p

So I just bought some tickets for Chelsea V Villa, which should be a good match. :)

i got chelsea v united tickets because my dad has a season ticket and is on holiday so going villa to awesome

[stephenmilne27]

Tried to get tickets for the Chelsea V Man U game...but you need around 40 member points. :p

So I just bought some tickets for Chelsea V Villa, which should be a good match. :)

If i remember correctly, last seasons game was 4-4 so hopefully for you it won't be a bad game.

I'm trying to get myself some tickets for the Man Utd v Middlesbrough Premierleague match on the 28th December.

Obviously i want my tickets in the Middlesbrough stand but it will be hard to get tickets for Old Trafford.

[JC]

i got chelsea v united tickets because my dad has a season ticket and is on holiday so going villa to awesome
Lucky you!

See you at the Villa game then. ;)

[Yann]

Shame i'm not going to Uni in Liverpool, I would of loved to see some matches.

International Matches again tomorrow. I dont have Failtanta Sports so I cant see the England match. Bloody BBC, why cant I watch our National Sport on National TV!?!

[What The Buck?]

Shame i'm not going to Uni in Liverpool, I would of loved to see some matches.

International Matches again tomorrow. I dont have Failtanta Sports so I cant see the England match. Bloody BBC, why cant I watch our National Sport on National TV!?!

Lol, good question! :p

I can see England getting beat against Croatia, can anyone else? :(

[UK Mylo]

*************

[WaDiNhO]

Lol, good question! :p

I can see England getting beat against Croatia, can anyone else? :(
Im going for a 3-1 win to Croatia, and our goal will come in the 92nd minute:p

[sam49]

Hmmm..... Tommorow is England's real test. If they can even come away with a draw they will get a lot of praise! I predict 1-0 to Croatia. The England team is not bad, its just that they cannot play as a team.

[What The Buck?]

Hmmm..... Today is England's real test. If they can even come away with a draw they will get a lot of praise! I predict 1-0 to Croatia. The England team is not bad, its just that they cannot play as a team.

You mean tomorrow?

I agree with your point that they cannot play as a team. :(

[sam49]

Oh yeah tommorow. Though today was Wednesday.

[Yann]

You mean tomorrow?

I agree with your point that they cannot play as a team. :(

Thats Englands major flaw. The quality is there, but no teamwork.

[UK Mylo]

Can't see England getting much from the game, TBH the my biggest problem with England is just how boring EVERY England game is. TBH I see very little difference between the teams picked by either Erikson, McClaren or Cappelo. They all feature pretty much the same players, the same formation and the same boring style of play which basically goes like this:-

*England gain possession
Lampard > Rooney > Lampard > Gerrard > J Cole > Gerrard > Lampard > Beckam > Lampard > Gerrard > J Cole > A Cole > Terry > Ferdinand > (Who ever is RB) > Ferdinand > Terry > Ferdinand > James Who hoofs it up field
*England lose possession

I've never seen England look comfortable or creative in possession, it's like they try nothing (which surprisingly doesn't come off) then just give it back to the keeper to whail it up field and then lose it in the air. When Cappelo took the job, I thought he was gonna shake things up and pick some decent young players (Agbonlahor, A. Young, & Wheater) and maybe try a new formation or at least a different system but instead he picks the basically the same team, formation and system as previous managers.

(Also, can't believe I got my previous post removed, oh the shame)

[Yann]

Can't see England getting much from the game, TBH the my biggest problem with England is just how boring EVERY England game is. TBH I see very little difference between the teams picked by either Erikson, McClaren or Cappelo. They all feature pretty much the same players, the same formation and the same boring style of play which basically goes like this:-

*England gain possession
Lampard > Rooney > Lampard > Gerrard > J Cole > Gerrard > Lampard > Beckam > Lampard > Gerrard > J Cole > A Cole > Terry > Ferdinand > (Who ever is RB) > Ferdinand > Terry > Ferdinand > James Who hoofs it up field
*England lose possession

I've never seen England look comfortable or creative in possession, it's like they try nothing (which surprisingly doesn't come off) then just give it back to the keeper to whail it up field and then lose it in the air. When Cappelo took the job, I thought he was gonna shake things up and pick some decent young players (Agbonlahor, A. Young, & Wheater) and maybe try a new formation or at least a different system but instead he picks the basically the same team, formation and system as previous managers.

(Also, can't believe I got my previous post removed, oh the shame)

He's playing Walcott, it's a start at least. He seriously needs to remove Beckham, he was one of the best players of his generation but he's just to old now.

[stephenmilne27]

Its really annoying because like said before, we have the class. Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard etc are all awesome but just never ever seem to perform.

Now England are below Cameroon in the world rankings and one place above Scotland which in my opinion is appaling. We should be at least top 8.

[Bax x360a]

Can't see England getting much from the game, TBH the my biggest problem with England is just how boring EVERY England game is. TBH I see very little difference between the teams picked by either Erikson, McClaren or Cappelo. They all feature pretty much the same players, the same formation and the same boring style of play which basically goes like this:-

*England gain possession
Lampard > Rooney > Lampard > Gerrard > J Cole > Gerrard > Lampard > Beckam > Lampard > Gerrard > J Cole > A Cole > Terry > Ferdinand > (Who ever is RB) > Ferdinand > Terry > Ferdinand > James Who hoofs it up field
*England lose possession

I've never seen England look comfortable or creative in possession, it's like they try nothing (which surprisingly doesn't come off) then just give it back to the keeper to whail it up field and then lose it in the air. When Cappelo took the job, I thought he was gonna shake things up and pick some decent young players (Agbonlahor, A. Young, & Wheater) and maybe try a new formation or at least a different system but instead he picks the basically the same team, formation and system as previous managers.

(Also, can't believe I got my previous post removed, oh the shame) That is so true sir. We never seem to do anything creative with the ball and I don't know why. It's not like we haven't got the players... And surely confidence isn't an issue; if you don't get confidence from winning literally every club game you play then I don't know what they need (apart from a good kick up the ass).
He's playing Walcott, it's a start at least. He seriously needs to remove Beckham, he was one of the best players of his generation but he's just to old now. Playing Walcott is an absolute jok, a disgusting decision. How he gets in the team ahead of Bentley is an outrage, and Beckham aswell!
Its really annoying because like said before, we have the class. Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard etc are all awesome but just never ever seem to perform.

Now England are below Cameroon in the world rankings and one place above Scotland which in my opinion is appaling. We should be at least top 8. We're below Cameroon in the world rankings? Sweet Jesus.

[Ben Sharpe]

Its really annoying because like said before, we have the class. Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard etc are all awesome but just never ever seem to perform.

Now England are below Cameroon in the world rankings and one place above Scotland which in my opinion is appaling. We should be at least top 8.


Thats whats wrong with the England team they and the English public in general, they think they have the god given right to be in the top ten, but in truth the team isn't worthy of it, they haven't been really good since the 60's except for some points during Sir Bobby's time in charge, the player's in truth aren't even as good as are made out to be, there is only maybe 2 world class players in the team, Gerrard and Ferdinand, none of the rest of the players would get into other international teams. The press hype these players up to be world class and in truth they aren't look at the Spanish, how many of the English team get in there? even the Italians, the Brazilians, the Argies? Rio and Gerrard, maybe Rooney of a few years ago (or on form)

[What The Buck?]

Thats whats wrong with the England team they and the English public in general, they think they have the god given right to be in the top ten, but in truth the team isn't worthy of it, they haven't been really good since the 60's except for some points during Sir Bobby's time in charge, the player's in truth aren't even as good as are made out to be, there is only maybe 2 world class players in the team, Gerrard and Ferdinand, none of the rest of the players would get into other international teams. The press hype these players up to be world class and in truth they aren't look at the Spanish, how many of the English team get in there? even the Italians, the Brazilians, the Argies? Rio and Gerrard, maybe Rooney of a few years ago (or on form)

That is so true!

I've been saying it for years...What have we won? 1 World Cup in the 60's!

[Yann]

Most teams only have 1 or 2 'world class' players though. I still honestly think it's how well they work together as a team.

Also Northern Ireland will either win by luck or get destroyed tomorrow, there is no Middle-ground :(. They deserve to win though, they play with real conviction.

[UK Mylo]

Thats whats wrong with the England team they and the English public in general, they think they have the god given right to be in the top ten, but in truth the team isn't worthy of it, they haven't been really good since the 60's except for some points during Sir Bobby's time in charge, the player's in truth aren't even as good as are made out to be, there is only maybe 2 world class players in the team, Gerrard and Ferdinand, none of the rest of the players would get into other international teams. The press hype these players up to be world class and in truth they aren't look at the Spanish, how many of the English team get in there? even the Italians, the Brazilians, the Argies? Rio and Gerrard, maybe Rooney of a few years ago (or on form)

I slightly disagree (only slightly mind tho), as I thought England started to look good again under Venables (4-1 against Holland was awesome!) and were very watchable but his tenure was cut short by the fact he's a used car salesman and about as honest as a 9 pound note.

Other than that I think the point remains valid, the quality of players in the England team isn't comparable to that of Argentina, Brazil or Spain (I disagree with Italy as reccently, they've been more lucky than good). But I don't think that the quality of players is the problem, I do believe that England have better players than both Croatia and Russia, they just don't have a better TEAM. IMO England's problems have never been down to "technical" ability (that's just media smokescreen bullshit) it's down to the fact that the players just don't work together. International football is no longer the pinnacle of the game, The Champions League is (If your shaking your head at this, then your wrong), the quality of international games is relatively poor in comparison (Other than Euro 2008, which was surprisingly not shit), and national pride aside most games are pretty boring. Nowadays you'll get further in internationals with a solid team than you will with 11 stars on a pitch. Compare say..... Croatia (Relatively good) & France (Relatively shit), at club level the current French team would probably cost you twice (maybe more) than that of the current Croatian side, but recent international result's don't reflect the collective price tag of the sides (11 X 15m+ doesn't always = A good team). Most international games are always decided by sloppy mistakes that the other side capitalises on and commentators put down "quality" instead of "lucky". If you can cut out the mistakes on your side, you'll always be in with a shot (Case & point - Greece 04, no flair, no quality but TONNES of organisation, especially on set pieces!!).

AS for the world rankings, there are two systems, there's the Fifa rankings and the Elo rankings, both use different methods to calculate position. The Elo rankings have always been deemed a truer reflection of international football ranking and the Fifa system was basically worthless until 2 years ago when it changed the way they were calculated. The OLD Fifa system didn't mean jack, as most teams were guilty of "boosting" (not many strangers to that phrase on here I'm guessin) by playing shit teams week-in-week-out, this explains why the USA were ranked 4th and in the top 10 for 10 years, because they used the play Barbados and T&T every other week. The Elo ratings are more widely acknowledged as an accurate system of Ranking (eg Fifa have Germany above Argentina, BULLSHIT!)

Check it out for yourselves and see what you think is a truer reflection.

Elo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Football_Elo_Ratings) Vs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Versus) Fifa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Rankings) (FIGHT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight) FIGHT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight) FIGHT! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fight))

BTW - Don't say I'm pro Elo cause they rate England higher, I'll call a turd a turd, whether it's mine or not.

[sam49]

I do not see how international coaches get the blame if their players are not playing good. Isnt it the club coach for who they play for?

[Yann]

Cant wait for Northern Irelands match tonight, I hope we can at least manage a draw.

Also Wales just lost, missed a penalty. Gutted D:

[stephenmilne27]

Cant wait for Northern Irelands match tonight, I hope we can at least manage a draw.

Also Wales just lost, missed a penalty. Gutted D:

Ye, they missed a penalty, then moment later Russia scored thers i think.

Unlucky.

[Yann]

It appears England are 1-0 up according to the BBC.

Anyone wants to hear commentary who doesnt have Setanta click the link :-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7609314.stm

[Yann]

Playing Walcott is an absolute jok, a disgusting decision. How he gets in the team ahead of Bentley is an outrage, and Beckham aswell!

60 minutes on the game, and Walcott has 2 goals.

Whatever you say, I think he's a credit to the team and Capello was right to put him in.

EDIT: Rooney makes it 3, hilarious lol.

[vI Starlight Iv]

it is hilarious rooney scored a goal

[Yann]

Walcott Hat-Trick. I think Bax needs to eat his words now lol.

[vI Starlight Iv]

theo,theo,theo wtf hatrick

EDIT: Sorry for the double

[What The Buck?]

Lol! COME ON ENGLAND!

[Yann]

Ended 4-1. That should shut the National Newspapers up about Capello for a while.

[vI Starlight Iv]

not bad for a disgusting decision ay bax

[WaDiNhO]

OH MY FUCKING GOD
Wtf got into England tonight, that was an amazing performance!
Theo Walcott = Class
Croatia = Dirty Eastern European Bastards
I mean seriously, they gave us about 500000 freekicks (yes I know im exaggerating a bit), and Kovac WDF Dirty son of a bitch, Joe Cole's head wound was nasty:eek:
But, we have shown the world how good we can be, lets just hope we can play like that against Belarus...:p

[Ben Sharpe]

I can't wait to see the paper's in the morning telling everyone England is the best team in the world lol, idiots

[sam49]

OMG England won! Now they're going to be ranked number 1 in the world by the media but one loss next time and they are the worst team in the world.

[tommyboy123]

OMG England won! Now they're going to be ranked number 1 in the world by the media but one loss next time and they are the worst team in the world.

And normal order is restored!

[Bax x360a]

I can't wait to see the paper's in the morning telling everyone England is the best team in the world lol, idiots That's the funny thing. We played well against a team who had a nightmare and suddenly we're the best team in the world! Screw you Walcott aswell :p Only good game I've ever seen him play to be fair. He never turns up for Arsenal.

[Ben Sharpe]

That's the funny thing. We played well against a team who had a nightmare and suddenly we're the best team in the world! Screw you Walcott aswell :p Only good game I've ever seen him play to be fair. He never turns up for Arsenal.


Its true croatia had a bit of a nightmare tbh.


But I think your being a little unfair on Walcott I have scene him a few times playing for Arsenal and performance against Liverpool in the CL 1/4s and a few more occasions. He will be a great player and potentially one of the best English players in a good while.

[Yann]

That's the funny thing. We played well against a team who had a nightmare and suddenly we're the best team in the world! Screw you Walcott aswell :p Only good game I've ever seen him play to be fair. He never turns up for Arsenal.

Ok i'll give you that. But as Ben said when you watched his run in the CL last season in the Liverpool match you could tell he'll be a top player someday. I think Capello was right to put him in the team and hopefully he'll improve as time goes on.

[vI Starlight Iv]

how funny another diluded who thyinks that walcott sucks and that berbatov is in the top 10 strikers on the world

[sam49]

Walcott is a great player and has a bright future ahead of him despite what Man Utd fans say. :mad:

[Yann]

All this commotion and nobody has commented that Zola is the new West Ham Boss!

I still think they'll be knocking about on the middle of the table after this. Nothing big is gonna come from it.

[Ben Sharpe]

how funny another diluded who thyinks that walcott sucks and that berbatov is in the top 10 strikers on the world

Wise up you stupid WUM, away back under the rock you crawled out from.



Walcott is a good player but you can't seriously think he is the finished article and all this pressure that has been heaped onto him will do him no good, mark my words if the English fans, press and the management team rely to heavily on him now, he will burn out and end up half the player he should have been, the same think happened with Micheal Owen and to an extent with Rooney.

But sorry you think, Shevchekco, and Owen are in the top 10? Wise up tbh with some of the names on that list I'm suprised you didn't put Shearer in the top ten ffs.

[Yann]

Wise up you stupid WUM, away back under the rock you crawled out from.



Walcott is a good player but you can't seriously think he is the finished article and all this pressure that has been heaped onto him will do him no good, mark my words if the English fans, press and the management team rely to heavily on him now, he will burn out and end up half the player he should have been, the same think happened with Micheal Owen and to an extent with Rooney.

But sorry you think, Shevchekco, and Owen are in the top 10? Wise up tbh with some of the names on that list I'm suprised you didn't put Shearer in the top ten ffs.

Doesnt Shearer hold like the all time top scoring record for a season in the Prem?

[Deadly Moves]

Doesnt Shearer hold like the all time top scoring record for a season in the Prem?
Yeah he does.. He also shares the record with Andy Cole

[shilbo-assassin]

liverpool v united tomoro, cant wait
hope united stuff them but liverpool have lost the last 5 against us so i expect they'll want to stop us winning as much as tryin to win it themselves

[Ben Sharpe]

Doesnt Shearer hold like the all time top scoring record for a season in the Prem?

Yeah he does but I was talking about the current top 10 best strikers in the world he named a couple of days ago, with Owen, Sheva etc on it.

[Bax x360a]

how funny another diluded who thyinks that walcott sucks and that berbatov is in the top 10 strikers on the world Is this coming from the guy who thinks Henry and Shevchenko are the best strikers in the world? Retard.
All this commotion and nobody has commented that Zola is the new West Ham Boss!

I still think they'll be knocking about on the middle of the table after this. Nothing big is gonna come from it. Not sure why they chose to appoint a famous name, I don't recall Zola having any mangerial experience?

Can't wait for the game tomorrow. I'm praying Berby scores on his debut :d I have a feeling we'll thrash the scousers. Giggsy, Hargreaves, Carrick and Nani are all back aswell. Plus, Ronaldo is fit again!! Woohoo :D Not being risked tomorrow though, but he might play next week against Chelscum. I can't see us failing to score at Stamford Bridge with Berba, Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo all in the squad.

[sam49]

Tommorow is Man Utd v Liverpool. Looks to be a good match on paper but probably another bore-fest. I predict 2-0 to Manchester United.

[Webb]

Giggsy, Hargreaves, Carrick and Nani are all back aswell.

4 players you mention that are back and they are all far from world class! lol

You better pray on a miracle performance from your front few, because with them in midfield, you ain't got a chance. May as well play Fletcher lol

[What The Buck?]

4 players you mention that are back and they are all far from world class! lol

You better pray on a miracle performance from your front few, because with them in midfield, you ain't got a chance. May as well play Fletcher lol

Haha yeh!

Carricks a load of shit!

Thanks for the 15M, Bax! :p

[Webb]

I honestly think that he is one of the most overrated, shittest midfielders I have EVER seen :eek:

[What The Buck?]

I honestly think that he is one of the most overrated, shittest midfielders I have EVER seen :eek:

I know, right!

Me and my whole family joke around every time he scores!

My dad says "I've always rated Carrick!" (He's a Man U fan) Even though he's always talking about how bad he is, lol!

[Deadly Moves]

4 players you mention that are back and they are all far from world class! lol

You better pray on a miracle performance from your front few, because with them in midfield, you ain't got a chance. May as well play Fletcher lol
You kiddin me?!
They are all world class players...
I'd rather have any those midfielders than any of chelsea's
Giggs is one of the best wingers ever!
Hargreaves was our best player in our last tournament..
Nani is a regular in the portugal squad.
Carrick is not overated.. unlike Frank Lampard or Drogba

[Webb]

You kiddin me?!
They are all world class players...
I'd rather have any those midfielders than any of chelsea's
Giggs is one of the best wingers ever!
Hargreaves was our best player in our last tournament..
Nani is a regular in the Brasil squad.
Carrick is not overated.. unlike Frank Lampard or Drogba


Dude? wtf

Giggs is ancient. Well past his sell by date. A shadow of his former self.
Hargreaves is injury prone and can't string more than 3 games back to back. Match fit my ass!!
Nani is Portuguese lolol
Lampard > Carrick and I think Lampard is terrible!!!

Drogba overrated? Did you see his goal tally last year? Hell of a lot more than Rooneys!!

Next? Come back when you talk sense!!!!

*shakes his head at fanboyism*

[UK Mylo]

Haha yeh!

Carricks a load of shit!

Thanks for the 15M, Bax! :p

Funny that, Spurs fans are only happy to have the money and get rid of a "shit" players AFTER the players leave. Don't remember many Spurs fan being happy to see the back of Carrick at the time. Also I bet your happy to get rid of that "shitty" Berbatov, I the bet the Spurs team will look so much better without him.

I honestly think that he is one of the most overrated, shittest midfielders I have EVER seen :eek:

Carrick IS a quality player, and would walk into ANY team (especially Spurs) outside of the top 4, it's just unlucky that he's not as good as Hargreaves, but that's entirely the point, big clubs keep players who would start in other teams on their bench. I guarantee if Utd decided to sell Carrick (but they won't cause they ain't stupid), I bet you a fair few clubs would stick in a bid for him.

4 players you mention that are back and they are all far from world class! lol

You better pray on a miracle performance from your front few, because with them in midfield, you ain't got a chance. May as well play Fletcher lol

Liverpool have got 2 1/2 WC players, Gerrard Torres & Macherano (the half), and without those, Liverpool look stumped. You'd be nothing short of a fool if you think the current Liverpool squad is a REAL threat to Utd (Especially since Utd stumped up the cash for a WC finisher & Liverpool have about as much depth as beer tray). Even if Utd had only 11 of it's u19 squad to put out against Liverpool, I'd still bet on Utd as Liverpool's recent record (under "Rafa") against the other big four teams is bad and against Utd in the PL it's shocking (1 point from 8 games *Source (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/2008/09/12/liverpool-v-manchester-united-benitez-and-ferguson-s-head-to-head-records-115875-20731383/)), the most I see Liverpool getting from this is a point (and they'll probably be lucky to get that).

how funny another diluded who thyinks that walcott sucks and that berbatov is in the top 10 strikers on the world

Was gonna jump ALL over this in light of the guys current "top 10" list, but decided against it because with opinions like these, who needs insults (plus I knew there was NO WAY Bax could leave that one alone)

Is this coming from the guy who thinks Henry and Shevchenko are the best strikers in the world? Retard.

See?

[Webb]

Mylo, Man U fan, right? Ha, it shows :p lol You're all the same. It's such a shame that your perception on football is sooooo off.

I'm a Liverpool fan through and through, but I'm not so clouded by bias that I can't sit here and talk proper football from an objective standpoint. I never said Liverpool were AMAZING. Yes we have Torres, yes we have Gerrard, but if you think that's all we have, I feel nothing but sympathy for you ;)

[Deadly Moves]

Dude? wtf

Giggs is ancient. Well past his sell by date. A shadow of his former self.
Hargreaves is injury prone and can't string more than 3 games back to back. Match fit my ass!!
Nani is Portuguese lolol
Lampard > Carrick and I think Lampard is terrible!!!

Drogba overrated? Did you see his goal tally last year? Hell of a lot more than Rooneys!!

Next? Come back when you talk sense!!!!


*shakes his head at fanboyism*
LOL.. oh yeah.. i got him mixed up with Anderson... what daft git...lol

Giggs maybe past his best.. but he is still class....
Rooney and drogba are to different strikers... rooney is more of a team player and drogba is an out n out goal scorer. drogba is good.. but not world class. plus he's a dick and a diver... even more than Ronaldo used to be
I'd much rather play on the same team as rooney than drogba

And generalizing like that, makes you sound like a idiot.
I could say all liverpool fans are the same.. but i know there not... same goes for Man Utd fans

[UK Mylo]

Dude? wtf

Giggs is ancient. Well past his sell by date. A shadow of his former self.
Hargreaves is injury prone and can't string more than 3 games back to back. Match fit my ass!!
Nani is Portuguese lolol
Lampard > Carrick and I think Lampard is terrible!!!

Drogba overrated? Did you see his goal tally last year? Hell of a lot more than Rooneys!!

Next? Come back when you talk sense!!!!

*shakes his head at fanboyism*

Giggs is nearly finished (by nearly I mean he has about 5 good games (max) left him in). Hargreaves is sadly injury prone (but quality when he's fit). Nani IS a crosss between Sami Davies Jnr and Ronaldos mini-me, he's far to show-boaty to be effective ATM, but given time he COULD come good (Like Ronanldo, and I think that's the point, but I don't see it happening myself).

Drogba IS massively overrated, he's had 1 really good season at Chelsea (06/07), other than that he's been relatively disappointing unless Chelsea's original plan was to use him as a pinic blanket considering how much time he spends sprawled out on the floor (v.strange for such a big bloke). I mean Drogba is sooooo good that Chelsea have had how many confirmed bids for him this summer? and what percentage of those were from Mouriniho at Inter? (What's 0 divided by 0? anyone?).

Mylo, Man U fan, right? Ha, it shows :p lol You're all the same. It's such a shame that your perception on football is sooooo off.

I'm a Liverpool fan through and through, but I'm not so clouded by bias that I can't sit here and talk proper football from an objective standpoint. I never said Liverpool were AMAZING. Yes we have Torres, yes we have Gerrard, but if you think that's all we have, I feel nothing but sympathy for you ;)

I'm not a Man U fan (and NEVER HAVE BEEN!), I just say it the way I see it (normally to the dismay of Liverpool fans living on former glories). When Utd lost to Zenit, I said they played rubbish (which they did). I've said it before, I don't have an agenda and I don't say things because it's what I want to happen, it's just the way I see it happening. THB I'd say my perception of football is spot on, as I don't care one way or the other about the outcome.

As for Liverpool HAVING so much more that Torres & Gerrard (Although I DID say you had Mascherano as well, but you choose to ignore that, strange considering he is CERTAINLY your 3rd best player!), then please tell me what else you have?

Alonso? Technically very good (but not WC) and works well within the current set-up, so for some reason Rafa wants to replace him with basically the same player and spend 18m in the process.

Robbie Keane? (He is a top quality forward (no argument) and a always threat in the box, so I look forward to seeing Rafa stick him out on the left wing!! (Rafa's OWN words) I don't see him getting bags of goals at Liverpool until you get decent wingers and provide decent service)

Kuyt? (Would struggle to score goals on an empty pitch, IT'S only his work rate that has kept the Kop of his back and IF he played for ANYONE else you'd be all over him like dole scum on a government hand-out. Despite this I do like Kuyt, as I said before that he does give his all 99% of the time, it's just a shame he's not good enough).

Pennant? (His delivery is rubbish and he's not got much else. When was the last time he got a sniff of an England call-up? Or for that fact, when was the last time anyone came in with a bid for him?)

Babel? (Shows signs of quality now and then but far too inconsistent and is too lazy for my liking and he's no where as near as good as he seems to think he is.)

Bennayoun? (Not top 4 quality and I haven't seen him do anything in a red shirt to change my mind on that, including that CL hat-trick he scored against a UEFA cup side who'd stopped playing at half time)

Lucas? Is the guy made out of the same material as spy planes? Cause surely that's the ONLY reason he's gone SO under the radar. Anther typical Rafa revolving door signing.

Riera? Jury is still out at the moment but judging by his time at Man City I wouldn't hold out much hope.

SO besides ALL that what EXACTLY have Liverpool got? Besides buckets of "sympathy" for people who aren't one eyed scousers and know nothing about football.

*edit
BTW - Loved the way you completely avoided ANY talk of form in your reply (1 point in from 24 against Utd in the league, not to mention how shocking the record gets when you include Chelsea & Arsenal in the stats) and instead choose to go straight past the message (1/24) to attack the man. So if I know nothing about football, then I at least I've got some company on this thread!

[Webb]

BTW - Loved the way you completely avoided ANY talk of form in your reply (1 point in from 24 against Utd in the league, not to mention how shocking the record gets when you include Chelsea & Arsenal in the stats) and instead choose to go straight past the message (1/24) to attack the man. So if I know nothing about football, then I at least I've got some company on this thread!

Form? You're only as good as your last game dude, you should know that.

Croatia hadn't lost in 37 games and England had played crap till then and the form counted for nothing there.

I wasn't attacking you, just your biased views in my opinion.

Class Liverpool players? Errrr...

Jose Reina, Martin Skrtel (who was a revelation last year), Jamie Carragher and Robbie Keane are easily world class. Alonso should be but wasn't the same player last season. Admittedly, the jury is out on the rest, but to say they have 2 world class players is pretty naive don't you think?

Also, how did Lucas go under the radar? He was the captain of Brazil U20's since he was 17 lol. Dude, please, you've not really backed up your argument yet. You've just proved that maybe you may not be some Man U fan, but you have a huge agenda against Liverpool. Doesn't bother me, I can throw stats back at you all day ;)

[UK Mylo]

Form? You're only as good as your last game dude, you should know that.

Croatia hadn't lost in 37 games and England had played crap till then and the form counted for nothing there.

I wasn't attacking you, just your biased views in my opinion.

Class Liverpool players? Errrr...

Jose Reina, Martin Skrtel (who was a revelation last year), Jamie Carragher and Robbie Keane are easily world class. Alonso should be but wasn't the same player last season. Admittedly, the jury is out on the rest, but to say they have 2 world class players is pretty naive don't you think?

Also, how did Lucas go under the radar? He was the captain of Brazil U20's since he was 17 lol. Dude, please, you've not really backed up your argument yet. You've just proved that maybe you may not be some Man U fan, but you have a huge agenda against Liverpool. Doesn't bother me, I can throw stats back at you all day ;)

Saying you only as good as your last game is clichéd and a blatant over simplification (Plus it's an easy and convenient way to dismiss Liverpool's failings in recent seasons). My point about Liverpool having poor records against over top 4 clubs remains valid and will be until they start to pick up points and win games against Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal. Liverpool simply have not seriously competed for the Prem under Rafa, and because of this record, I don't think Liverpool will beat Utd tomorrow (It has nothing to do with "biased views").

Class Liverpool players? I never said they didn't have a good team (they're one of the Prems big 4 for christ's sake), I just don't think Liverpool have added enough quality in the areas they are lacking, I also don't think the current Liverpool team is close to either the current Utd or Chelsea squads.

Reina is a quality keeper (and probably one of the best penalty savers I've ever seen) but he flaps from time to time. He is good but he's still quite young for a keeper but I wouldn't say he's world class yet, but he probably will be at some stage in his career. I'd say he's easily the 2nd best Keeper in the Prem, behind Cech.

Skrtel DID have a good/great season at Liverpool (and was good at Zenit), but you can't label someone "world class" on the back of one good season in the top flight, being a world class defender comes down to consistency, and performing well week-in-week-out, it's WAY too early to be calling Skrtel world class.

Carragher, yeah he's good but he's never been England's first choice as a CB, and that's always been a decision I've agreed with, personally I'd put him behind Terry & Ferdinand every time, but I will say it's close.

IMO the best defender in the Prem is Vidic (I swear I'm not a Utd fan!) and over the last 2 seasons, no one else has even come close to him (Not Terry, not Ferdinand, not Carragher, not no-one).

As for Lucas going under that radar, your answer answered my point exactly. I asked what he'd done at Liverpool and your answer? He was captain of the Brazil U20's (a youth team), but that's hardly a MAJOR accolade. The point I was making is what has he done in a Red Shirt? One goal against the MIGHTY Havant & Waterlooville (I'll admit it was a good goal), but other than that, I can't remember one other stand-out thing he did all last season, so my point about him being basically anonymous at Liverpool up until this point remains valid.

[vI Starlight Iv]

lololol man utd fans what wankers lmao ur midfield is shit compared to ours funny how we stole essien and mikel from right under your nose and know you think there shit shouldt have expected anything different really from a culture of utd fans who probably live in cornwall....

your midfield is second class compared to chelseas you have depth but not of the same quality as chelsea lampard, deco, ballack, essien, mikel, cole, malouda, kalou and 5 of them are world class.

Nani and anderson will reach that standard obviously ronaldo is the best in the world and giggs is well past that standard he has been there in he past, carrick and hargreaves are shit neither have a all round games carricks distribution is good but ballacks and decos is better and lampard will no doubt score 20 again this season and still be overated 'boring' he has every season for the past five seasons

dont get me started on drogba lol not a team player he spends a quarter of the game at centre back...just cause you signed a overated spurs reject (again) lol

liverpool easily good enough to fight it out with united for second place this season when they have players of torres, keane, carragher and gerrard

mylo your a united fan you hate liverpool and chelsea

[UK Mylo]

lololol man utd fans what wankers lmao ur midfield is shit compared to ours funny how we stole essien and mikel from right under your nose and know you think there shit shouldt have expected anything different really from a culture of utd fans who probably live in cornwall....

your midfield is second class compared to chelseas you have depth but not of the same quality as chelsea lampard, deco, ballack, essien, mikel, cole, malouda, kalou and 5 of them are world class.

Nani and anderson will reach that standard obviously ronaldo is the best in the world and giggs is well past that standard he has been there in he past, carrick and hargreaves are shit neither have a all round games carricks distribution is good but ballacks and decos is better and lampard will no doubt score 20 again this season and still be overated 'boring' he has every season for the past five seasons

dont get me started on drogba lol not a team player he spends a quarter of the game at centre back...just cause you signed a overated spurs reject (again) lol

liverpool easily good enough to fight it out with united for second place this season when they have players of torres, keane, carragher and gerrard

mylo your a united fan you hate liverpool and chelsea

Dude, you don't know what your talking about, I'm not a untied fan but just because I recognise that United are stronger than Liverpool this season then I'm biased? Well if thats the case 99% of all football pundits in the country are biased as well. People should realise there's a difference between informed opinion and the blind faith.

You can throw as much United hate at me as you want, I don't care I'm not United fan and I don't hate Chelsea or Liverpool (honestly Webb, I don't!). Starlight, if you actually READ what people write instead of going off on one, and just typing random bollox then you'd realise that I tipped Chelsea to win the title this year (Although now United have a decent goal-scorer, I think it will be REALLY close). And as much as Webb protests, I still think it's a 2 horse race (United & Chelsea) with Liverpool and Arsenal fighting for the scraps.

I'll certainly admit that Chelsea CERTAINLY have the strongest midfield in the Prem, but it's also and ageing midfield. IMO Chelsea look lightweight upfront without Drogba, as there's NO WAY Kalou is good enough to come up with the goals when they really need them. I've said it before that Drogba is overrated IMO and has only had one really outstanding season at Chelsea (06/07), he might spend a quarter of the game in defense, he spends another up front, another on the floor faking an injury (which is pathetic for such a HUGE bloke) and the final quarter crying to the ref. The guy has a bad attitude and if he just cut out the driving and got his head down, he'd be a complete monster and nearly unplayable, but instead he just keeps on doing it (The fact Mouriniho want's nothing to do with him say's it all - Raid on Chelsea stars my arse!). Although I can see why he would would Lampard cause the guy is quality and can always be trusted to come up with goals, he only got boo-ed cause of his England performances, which like most of the England team up until reccently was pretty shit.

As for Berbavtov, I can see why people don't like him. I never liked him at Leverkusen, I thought he was over-rated at Spurs thought his attitude was pretty lousy as well, considering how the fans worshipped him and he threw it back in their faces. I think he can do well at Utd but it'll be interesting to see how he gets on with SAF, who probably wont tolerate half the shit Ramos had to put up with.

I'll say this just one more time so there's no confusion (Although I'm guessin there still will be). I'm NOT a fan of ANY top 4 club, I just say it how I see it, and some people don't like what I've got to say. I've got no vested interest in any of the "big 4", I've go no agenda's and if I'm proved wrong, then I'll be the first to admit it. All I care about is watching good football.

[vI Starlight Iv]

so who do you support then mylo?

[UK Mylo]

so who do you support then mylo?

I'm a Wolves fan, as I'm from Wolverhampton, I could have done what most of classmates did at school and gone for glory (Man Utd, Liverpool etc) but decided to keep it local. And I don't class myself as a supporter anymore as it's been a few seasons since I've been up to see them play and I don't think you should call yourself a supporter unless you actually go and see the team play, plus it ain't fair on people who do go and see them every-game home and away (and I know quite a few who do).

I thoroughly do intend to go and see them again sometime soon, but then if I'm honest, I've been saying that for a few years now, but then again McCarthy has finally got the team he wants and everyone tells me that the atmosphere at Molinuex has really changed (it was pretty dire under Hoddle, very negative) and the last game I saw (5-1 against Forest!), the team look very good for a championship side and played some decent stuff. So I might be going again soon (like the big glory hunting bitch I am!).

Why'd you ask?

[vI Starlight Iv]

just curious thats all im lucky enough to share a season ticket with my step mum which is cool....u wasted some money last season eastwood etc lol

promotion aint out of reach this season probs throughplay offs though

[Deadly Moves]

so who do you support then mylo?
What does it matter who he supports?

Everyone has there own opinions, but some of us think our is right and everyone elses is wrong... This is sounding like pointless pub banter

These arguements our going round in circles.
Fact. Man Utd are the best 'team' in the world at the moment. due to the fact they are the premiership champions and the champions league champions.
Get over it Man Utd haters!!
If chelsea or liverpool or any one else beats Man utd in either of those compatitons this year, then they haven proven there better for this year.

[vI Starlight Iv]

What does it matter who he supports?

Everyone has there own opinions, but some of us think our is right and everyone elses is wrong... This is sounding like pointless pub banter

These arguements our going round in circles.
Fact. Man Utd are the best 'team' in the world at the moment. due to the fact they are the premiership champions and the champions league champions.
Get over it Man Utd haters!!
If chelsea or liverpool or any one else beats Man utd in either of those compatitons this year, then they haven proven there better for this year.

wtf all i asked is who he supports and then he told me, big deal no the supercup decides that the best two teams in europe and if i remember correctly you lost

[Deadly Moves]

wtf all i asked is who he supports and then he told me, big deal no the supercup decides that the best two teams in europe and if i remember correctly you lost
The supercup means fuck all.. like the charity shield!
its just an excuse to play another game and take our money.

Everyone knows its the champions league that determins who the best club in the world is. Thats why every club wants to win it.

And whats with the constant Man Utd hating? Its starting to sound like a broken record :(