Planes.

[Gorjira]

Ive heard lots of people complain about not being able to fly planes in this game - But think about it for a minute. Its in new york...There are lots of people who will find it funny to crash it into a high building and put it online, which will piss people off. That wont look good for GTA games in future. I also know the maps are to small for planes and there really is no point, but Im sure they also thought about what Ive thought.

Remember 9/11? We dont want to re-create that in a video game now.

Post your thoughts.

[jorGe62990]

The excuse from Rockstar was that the city was too small for the planes in order to make it realistic, but avoiding any 9/11 references or memories is probably what they were trying to avoid, and really, who can blame them?

[TehAdz]

Ive heard lots of people complain about not being able to fly planes in this game - But think about it for a minute. Its in new york...There are lots of people who will find it funny to crash it into a high building and put it online, which will piss people off. That wont look good for GTA games in future. I also know the maps are to small for planes and there really is no point, but Im sure they also thought about what Ive thought.

Remember 9/11? We dont want to re-create that in a video game now.

Post your thoughts.

I was getting kind of annoyed at the amount of people complaining about there not being any planes, they're usually the same people who want car customization, the gym, and more hip hop radio stations.

[Gorjira]

Im not against that at all. Ive just never came across this before in any other threads, maybe people dont want to talk about it, or they didnt relise? I thought this would be fairly obvious as to why there is no planes.

[Stevedawg313]

I don;t think it is too small, San Andreas really isnt that big of a map not really. I just think after 9/11 will will never see planes in a GTA game again period because of what you said about crashing them into tall buildings. I mean you say it will make GTA look bad but come on, it always has a serious negative rep in the media anywas, But they have toned thigns down in certain areas I mean look at when he gets on a bike and puts on a helmet. Safety first right? I bet they put that in just to appease certain people lol.

[Deadly Moves]

Ive heard lots of people complain about not being able to fly planes in this game - But think about it for a minute. Its in new york...There are lots of people who will find it funny to crash it into a high building and put it online, which will piss people off. That wont look good for GTA games in future. I also know the maps are to small for planes and there really is no point, but Im sure they also thought about what Ive thought.

Remember 9/11? We dont want to re-create that in a video game now.

Post your thoughts.
I can understand that the map maybe to small to fly a plane... but

Its ok to help sicko peado killers?
Its ok to pick up prostitutes. have sex with them, then kill them and take there money?
Its ok to traffic drugs?
Its ok to steel cars and run over innocent people?
Its ok to shoot and blow up anyone and anything you like, just for fun?
Its ok to lure homosexuals into a online date. to then shoot them in the face in a dinner?
And so on...

Being able to fly a plane into a skyscraper in GTA is no worse than everything else you can do
The difference is you'd only be killing Niko and not 100's of plane passengers and 100's of people in the buildings

[Tyrannical Duck]

I was getting kind of annoyed at the amount of people complaining about there not being any planes, they're usually the same people who want car customization, the gym, and more hip hop radio stations.

What's wrong with car customization? :(

[xXI A ROD IXx]

I don't blame 'em. But still I miss the planes like in GTA: SA =[

and i don't understand why we can't get tats in this game and customize are rides. wtf? and there is no weed field in this game like in SA =[ o well its still one of my favorite games:woop:

[Gorjira]

I can understand that the map maybe to small to fly a plane... but

Its ok to help sicko peado killers?
Its ok to pick up prostitutes. have sex with them, then kill them and take there money?
Its ok to traffic drugs?
Its ok to steel cars and run over innocent people?
Its ok to shoot and blow up anyone and anything you like, just for fun?
Its ok to lure homosexuals into a online date. to then shoot them in the face in a dinner?
And so on...

Being able to fly a plane into a skyscraper in GTA is no worse than everything else you can do
The difference is you'd only be killing Niko and not 100's of plane passengers and 100's of people in the buildings

It appears you have no idea how large an effect something like this will cause worldwide. 9/11 was on the news for months if I remember correctly, recreating that in a video game for "fun" isnt normal dude.

The other shit you said happens all the time, how many times have you heard of some religious people crashing planes into buildings?

You might aswell say goodbye to GTA games as we know it.

[Deadly Moves]

It appears you have no idea how large an effect something like this will cause worldwide. 9/11 was on the news for months if I remember correctly, recreating that in a video game for "fun" isnt normal dude.

The other shit you said happens all the time, how many times have you heard of some religious people crashing planes into buildings?

You might aswell say goodbye to GTA games as we know it.
I know what your saying...
But Niko isnt just some religous nutt job..
And all that other bad shit that happens... just bcos it happens all the time doesnt make it ok

Get over it people...
I know it was a massively tradgic event, but it happend.. nothing we can do about it now
Suppose.. it gave Bush an excuse to invade other contries to mask the fact that there just stealing oil etc

Its like here in the UK some people keep going on about Princess Diana's death...
OMG! Just get over it.. Shit happens!

[soccerplaya13cj]

I know what your saying...
But Niko isnt just some religous nutt job..
And all that other bad shit that happens... just bcos it happens all the time doesnt make it ok

Get over it people...
I know it was a massively tradgic event, but it happend.. nothing we can do about it now
Suppose.. it gave Bush an excuse to invade other contries to mask the fact that there just stealing oil etc

Its like here in the UK some people keep going on about Princess Diana's death...
OMG! Just get over it.. Shit happens!

I love how they teach you to spell over there.

[Tyrannical Duck]

I know what your saying...
But Niko isnt just some religous nutt job..
And all that other bad shit that happens... just bcos it happens all the time doesnt make it ok

Get over it people...
I know it was a massively tradgic event, but it happend.. nothing we can do about it now
Suppose.. it gave Bush an excuse to invade other contries to mask the fact that there just stealing oil etc

Its like here in the UK some people keep going on about Princess Diana's death...
OMG! Just get over it.. Shit happens!


Princess Diana was one person. 9/11 was thousands. Thousands of innocent people who were just... at work. I'm not saying Princess Diana wasn't innocent, I'm saying that a lot of deaths happen in war. But that's soldiers dying, not civilians.

[Gorjira]

Although it is in reality a game and no ones being hurt, many people who do happen to come across a video of someone who posts it online will be hurt - especially if they were related or knew someone who died in 9/11. Its a great thing theres no planes, because nothing like this will happen - Theres no reason to lose a great game over idiots posting crap they find funny.

[Deadly Moves]

I love how they teach you to spell over there.
Bad spelling doesnt kill people like every other person having a gun does

Princess Diana was one person. 9/11 was thousands. Thousands of innocent people who were just... at work. I'm not saying Princess Diana wasn't innocent, I'm saying that a lot of deaths happen in war. But that's soldiers dying, not civilians.
I know 1000's of innocent people died and i feel for there families and friends, But im sick of people draggin this kinda stuff up all the time...

Like In The UK, there are alot of ignorant brits that hate germans for no real reason, other than bcos of what happend many years ago in the world wars

I honstly dont mean to offend anyone.. but im just giving my opinions..
freedom of speach n all

[Tyrannical Duck]

Yeah, I agree with you. I don't bring it up, and I hate how people make sure to bring it up every time September 11th comes around. I mean.. how are you going to move on, if you celebrate it every year?

I just don't think it'd be appropriate for this game. Maybe if the game was located in some other city that wasn't supposed to be NYC. And only if they made sure to not have 2 towers of the same height right next to each other.

[Segnius]

I think they should have let you fly planes. There's already an airport with planes, just give us the chance. As for the whole 9/11 thing, I don't think that's a valid argument. Lots of people died because of what happened that day, yes. Lots of families have also lost people from gang shootings, drugs, drunk drivers, and any other life threatening activity that you can take part in while playing GTA. If somebody would make a 9/11 reenactment video on GTA4, then I'd be pissed off at the asshole who did it, not the people who made the game.

[Hoffasgrave]

As for the Plane thing, eother way idk

But for the 9/11 thing I guess you haven't seen the SA videos yet, I even seen one in Halo 3 so it will always be done some how, sad kinda to recreate a thing like that...

[Archonfury]

Planes are actually visible in the game at the airport, but to be honest, planes would suck, Id just crash into the side of a building like I do 50% of the time with helicopters.

[MrPaypaChasa]

A friend of mines parents died in 9/11 and he had to go to a shrink. He still has not gotten over it, so you guys who think you can just get over it, it is hard man. Imagine how it would feel to have your parents ripped away from you by these sick and twisted people. If you are affected by it it is much harder to get over it.

[kiwi18]

Bad spelling doesnt kill people like every other person having a gun does


I know 1000's of innocent people died and i feel for there families and friends, But im sick of people draggin this kinda stuff up all the time...

Like In The UK, there are alot of ignorant brits that hate germans for no real reason, other than bcos of what happend many years ago in the world wars

I honstly dont mean to offend anyone.. but im just giving my opinions..
freedom of speach n all






You are very ignorant. Did one of your family members or best friends die in the World Trade Center attacks? I would love to forget about it and act like it never happened. Yes, it did happen. Yes, there is nothing we can do about it. No, we should not forget about it. We should respect the families who were affected and remember those who died. I don't care what you believe, but please, be respectful to those who died and those who were affected.

[Gorjira]

Planes are actually visible in the game at the airport, but to be honest, planes would suck, Id just crash into the side of a building like I do 50% of the time with helicopters.


And thats exactly what some sad person will do and put it online for the world to see. If you have lost someone in the 9/11 attacks, you will not be to happy at all, I can assure you.

People have freedom of speach but what they say CAN still offend others. So, please, try to keep your harsh opinions to yourself.

[HitmanIV]

In my opinion the games map is not big enough to have planes in it as you can easily get form one side of the map to the other pretty quickly in a heli-copter. And it is better for GTA games overall that they did not put planes in due to the whole 9/11 thing because Jack Thomson would have a field day trying to ruin future GTA games for that.

[TuckTuck]

I disagree with the idea that GTA shouldn't have planes anymore because crashing them into tall buildings will give images of 9/11. How come its fine for film and literature to have planes flying into buildings and deal with other sensitive material, but when it comes to a video game its a big no no. Surely it should be less of an issue in GTA because its the players choice what to do whereas in films and literature everything is forced upon the viewer/reader.

Whoever chooses to crash a plane into a tall building in order for a quick laugh is as sad as they come to be honest.

[Gorjira]

Ive not seen the movie, or read anything about it. But Im sure the point in the movie was for everyone trying to save as many people possible. It will also help show people who were not there to experience it what it was acually like, and what the people went through, all the screaming and shouting for loved ones. As Ive said, thats what my thoughts on a movie Ive not seen...

But to put that into a game would just be ridiculous.

[g2thecore]

I have to agree with you. I honestly never had a problem with the "no plane" issue. I mostly enjoy choppers anyways. But I think it was a good move on Rockstar's part to not include them for that reason specifically.

[g2thecore]

I can understand that the map maybe to small to fly a plane... but

Its ok to help sicko peado killers?
Its ok to pick up prostitutes. have sex with them, then kill them and take there money?
Its ok to traffic drugs?
Its ok to steel cars and run over innocent people?
Its ok to shoot and blow up anyone and anything you like, just for fun?
Its ok to lure homosexuals into a online date. to then shoot them in the face in a dinner?
And so on...

Being able to fly a plane into a skyscraper in GTA is no worse than everything else you can do
The difference is you'd only be killing Niko and not 100's of plane passengers and 100's of people in the buildings
You are either an idiot or 5 years old. All the points you made are irrelevant to the subject at hand. 9/11 was a tragedy that affected millions of people accross the nation. It's way easier to offend the families of those lost in that tragedy than it is homosexuals or all the other fluff you mentioned. The stuff you mentioned aren't ok to do but it's found in every form of entertainment,from music videos to movies and so forth. So your stupid cries for planes in a game that's already jammed packed with other forms of transportation are futile. Kudos to Rockstar for showing some respect to the families of those lost on that dreadful day. And even more kudos for doing it despite knowing that stupid kids like the quoted poster would be wining incessantly about it.

[Lunacy182]

There is only one airport in this game. It's not like you can fly from city to city. Where would you land the plane after you took off?

And to deadly moves, Where do you come off saying that we should just forget about something like that! I have friends over in Iraq that are still dieing because of what happened. I would like you to tell my friends mothers who lost there sons to just forget about it. You are the most insensitive person I have ever meet.

Is there a way to ignore posters so you don't see them post anymore?

[g2thecore]

He's british and wasn't here when it happened so he has no idea how tragic it was. He's obviously an insensitive, heartless child who has no understanding of the concept of "national tragedy". You can easily forget the loss of one dead person (Princess Diana), but to ask an entire nation/ world to forget about a day where thousands of innocent beings were taken away from there families is borderline inhumane. Sorry for my rants, but that day brings about some horrible memories and it hurts to see fools like him just make a mockery of it.

[Gorjira]

There is only one airport in this game. It's not like you can fly from city to city. Where would you land the plane after you took off?

And to deadly moves, Where do you come off saying that we should just forget about something like that! I have friends over in Iraq that are still dieing because of what happened. I would like you to tell my friends mothers who lost there sons to just forget about it. You are the most insensitive person I have ever meet.

Is there a way to ignore posters so you don't see them post anymore?

I dont think there is.
And now I can see this thread being locked through people being offenced through members lack of thought of others feelings.


g2thecore: I am also British, but I relise to an extent what it was like. I know I have no idea what people went through, I know its no laughing matter or something to forget.

[TuckTuck]

He's british and wasn't here when it happened so he has no idea how tragic it was. He's obviously an insensitive, heartless child who has no understanding of the concept of "national tragedy". You can easily forget the loss of one dead person (Princess Diana), but to ask an entire nation/ world to forget about a day where thousands of innocent beings were taken away from there families is borderline inhumane. Sorry for my rants, but that day brings about some horrible memories and it hurts to see fools like him just make a mockery of it.

Hundreds of the people on the 9/11 planes were British and i'm sure their families haven't forgotten about September 11th. Don't make judgments on Britain or any other countries because of one heartless guy. 9/11 was a day in which billions of people around the world felt sympathy for the families of the people who lost their lives, not just Americans.

Also to make comments that one dead person can easily be forgotten is heartless and even worse than the other guys comments to be honest.

[Lunacy182]

Also to make comments that one dead person can easily be forgotten is heartless and even worse than the other guy's comments to be honest.

I agree that saying one person can easily be forgotten is very heartless. *Also Fixed*

This thread really needs to be closed though. It has gotten way off topic.

[g2thecore]

Ok, I think people are taking the whole "he's british" thing out of context. I meant that he's from the UK and doesn't live here so he didn't witness it. Please don't think that I have a problem with british people. I'm far from racist people. I apologize if it came out that way.

[TuckTuck]

I agree that saying one person can easily be forgotten is very heartless, But how is what I said heartless? Is it because I said he was insensitive? Because I have friends over in Iraq still because of it, or because my friends mother are still not over what happened?

This thread really needs to be closed though. It has gotten way off topic.

Sorry got the wrong person, i have corrected it now though.

I agree this thread should be closed though.

[g2thecore]

Hundreds of the people on the 9/11 planes were British and i'm sure their families haven't forgotten about September 11th. Don't make judgments on Britain or any other countries because of one heartless guy. 9/11 was a day in which billions of people around the world felt sympathy for the families of the people who lost their lives, not just Americans.

Also to make comments that one dead person can easily be forgotten is heartless and even worse than the other guys comments to be honest.
You're telling me that it's not easier to forget one person dying over 3 thousand? You think that I'm worse for being a realist? And once again, I didn't mean that ALL british people are heartless and can't sympathize with Americans. Far from it in fact. I just meant that being that he was not here when it happened it's one reason why he wouldn't feel the same way about it. Oh and I don't mean that's it ok to forget the loss of one life....just that it's easier.....take it easy buddy.

[Noisy Neighbour]

I love how they teach you to spell over there.

I love how they teach you to eat sensibly over there.

Seriously, I’m not saying I agree with him, but generalising the entire of the UK population because of how he spells isn’t cool.

It’s like saying well I’ve met one American who was fat, a religious nut and enjoyed shooting living things, so therefore all Americans are like that.

[g2thecore]

Yeah I think this thread needs to be locked, because everyone's getting offended by the slightest comment. Please lock this thread.

[Colossus033]

planes or no planes GTA4 is still a friggen amazing game!!! plus if i wanted to fly a plane id go buy the flight simulator game.....
how can they recreate the 9/11 attacks if there isnt the WTC towers in the game? but i do understand what you guys are saying tho about how it is a little inappropriate... thanks

[thuglove]

Princess Diana was one person. 9/11 was thousands. Thousands of innocent people who were just... at work. I'm not saying Princess Diana wasn't innocent, I'm saying that a lot of deaths happen in war. But that's soldiers dying, not civilians.

im sorry but i just had to reply to this crap.

1st off NO ONE past the age of 5-12 or so is innocent.

2nd Cause they are solders its ok to kill them? Are they not someone's child? Do they not have Feelings,Hopes and dreams? you need to GROW THE HELL UP son and get a grasp on the real world.

3rd Allowing planes to hit bulidings in GTA4 might have been tasteless and pissed some ppl off,but what about the Mother that lost Her Son on the streets to gun fire? or what about the Dad that lost his little girl to AIDS from selling Her self on the courner?

Truth is those two things have killed more people in one day then 10 911's yet they are fair game.

NOT Having planes in GTA4 was nothing but a PC BOW-DOWN TO THE SYSTEM !!!!!!

[Dilaudid281]

I understand the map being too small, having no planes in this game works out perfectly imo. But 9/11...should not be affecting video games. Hell, A LOT more people died on D-Day...do we care to show how graphic it was in video games? Nope. Let people run around laughing while people get mowed down. Or Pearl Harbor? Nope...we don't care. It's in the past. It's all BS to me. Why should I care about an event that happened in my lifetime MORE than an event that didn't, without weighing the options finding that 9/11 wasn't nearly as bad as other events this country has faced...especially other countries.

I'd love to see anyone, other than someone in direct realtion to someone that died that day, to look me in the eye and say that they actually...100% care and think about it every day. Bet ya can't.

Face it 9/11 was a tragic event...but unlike most tragic events, all it spawned was hate and more death. The more we focus on the subject the more bitter we'll become. Let it go.

GTA is a great game. Something new from the franchise. Doesn't seem all that toned down to me when you walk around and take everything in. Seems to focus more on the behavior of people, rather than the crimes. Which is good...because I noticed the rocket launcher in my game's a bit glitchy...damn thing blows me up on the second shot everytime haha.

[RPhilMan1]

I'm sorry but you're an idiot if you think 9/11 has anything to do with this.

[iNSANiTY]

Didnt loads of people do this in San Andreas? They just got a plane and drove it into the biggest building they could?

[Jack_x2yz]

personally i don't think they didn't add plains in because of 9/11, i think they really did think the map was too small. Also they have a Irish character called Packie and his spesh ability is putting bombs in cars? Doesn't that strike you as a little racist? It just goes to show they don't really care about racism and political incorrectness. There political statement is kind of strong with the statue of liberty heart being tied down thing.

[Wanted407]

this is true i agree 101%

[Archonfury]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/4/thread_direction.gif
I dont know how it got to here, but its a thread about planes in a VIDEO GAME, chill out people

[Tyrannical Duck]

im sorry but i just had to reply to this crap.

1st off NO ONE past the age of 5-12 or so is innocent.

2nd Cause they are solders its ok to kill them? Are they not someone's child? Do they not have Feelings,Hopes and dreams? you need to GROW THE HELL UP son and get a grasp on the real world.

3rd Allowing planes to hit bulidings in GTA4 might have been tasteless and pissed some ppl off,but what about the Mother that lost Her Son on the streets to gun fire? or what about the Dad that lost his little girl to AIDS from selling Her self on the courner?

Truth is those two things have killed more people in one day then 10 911's yet they are fair game.

NOT Having planes in GTA4 was nothing but a PC BOW-DOWN TO THE SYSTEM !!!!!!

Wait.. are you serious? You must be half retarded to have misunderstood my post that bad. I'll reply to what you said in numbered form so I don't confuse you.

1. How is a 5 year old not innocent? I'm saying innocent as in.. they have nothing to do with the conflict. They're just WORKERS. Just people living their lives.

2. This could go with number 1, but I'll make a 2 for it. I'm not saying it's OK for soldiers to die. I just think it's different than when a soldier dies in a war, then it is when an office assistant dies by getting hit by an airplane. Soldiers join the military with the knowledge that if they go to WAR, they have the chance of dying. I like how you tell me to "grow the hell up", but then you say that them not putting airplanes in the game was a 'bow down to the system.'

3. You mention a prostitute dying from AIDS. That's like saying we should feel bad for smokers cause they die from lung cancer. Also, about 85 people die in the US from being shot, everyday. I'm not going to include the prostitute dying from AIDS in this equation, just because that's fucking stupid. But for your information, 9/11 killed 2990+ people in that ONE DAY. That was only the immediate deaths. That doesn't include the people affected by it. So, you said people being shot everyday should be 10x more than the 9/11 attacks. 85 < 29900.

4. Please, never post again.

Just to clarify for anyone else. I don't mind that the game has no airplanes. No one knows if R* didn't put planes in the game because of 9/11. It probably has nothing to do with it. Sorry to make this whole post about this, but I hate when people spout ignorance. Especially when they call me "son." I'm probably older, and a hell of a lot smarter, than that guy. Have a nice day!