Skinny Puppy - The Best Industrial Band?

[WRETCHES]

My Favorite Industrial Bands In Order Are...

1. Skinny Puppy

2. Rammstein

3. Nine Inch Nails

Heres a vid... YouTube - Skinny Puppy - Tin Omen

[Tussell]

They're definitely a wonderful band... Not the best of anything though.

[Honkymagoo]

There are people who would have you killed for calling Rammstein and Nine Inch Nails industrial.

[Now Evergreen]

NiN are the top of the genre I'd say.

Besides the questionable "Ghosts", the Sub-par "With Teeth" and the album that was most likely written by a 15 year-old; "Year Zero" at least...

[v_thorne]

There are people who would have you killed for calling Rammstein and Nine Inch Nails industrial.
What are you talking about? Nine Inch Nails ARE industrial, what would you call them?
But no, Rammstein I find isn't.

Skinny Puppy are amazing... but top industrial band? Definently not.

Top spot has to belong to Nine Inch Nails, hands down. If you don't count the recent albums filled with crap.

And a close second would have to be Combichrist, though not many people know them.

[Honkymagoo]

NiN are the top of the genre I'd say.

Besides the questionable "Ghosts", the Sub-par "With Teeth" and the album that was most likely written by a 15 year-old; "Year Zero" at least...

Don't get me wrong, I love NIN, it just isn't industrial.

[Tussell]

What are you talking about? Nine Inch Nails ARE industrial, what would you call them?
But no, Rammstein I find isn't.

Skinny Puppy are amazing... but top industrial band? Definently not.

Top spot has to belong to Nine Inch Nails, hands down. If you don't count the recent albums filled with crap.

And a close second would have to be Combichrist, though not many people know them.
Combichrist is great!
What do you mean a lot of people don't know about them?
They're super popular!

[Honkymagoo]

What are you talking about? Nine Inch Nails ARE industrial, what would you call them?
But no, Rammstein I find isn't.

Skinny Puppy are amazing... but top industrial band? Definently not.

Top spot has to belong to Nine Inch Nails, hands down. If you don't count the recent albums filled with crap.

And a close second would have to be Combichrist, though not many people know them.

The old albums had an industrial sound but most people do not consider it to be industrial music. If you've heard real industrial you'd understand why. As for the new albums I honestly have to say his best albums are The Fragile, Year Zero, and Ghosts I-IV. Even "The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of Niggy Tardust" was great (I'm a big fan of Saul Williams.) If you're looking for industrial might I suggest a little band called "My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult."

[v_thorne]

Combichrist is great!
What do you mean a lot of people don't know about them?
They're super popular!
Not here or with people I know. So I just figured.

The old albums had an industrial sound but most people do not consider it to be industrial music. If you've heard real industrial you'd understand why. As for the new albums I honestly have to say his best albums are The Fragile, Year Zero, and Ghosts I-IV. Even "The Inevitable Rise and Liberation of Niggy Tardust" was great (I'm a big fan of Saul Williams.) If you're looking for industrial might I suggest a little band called "My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult."

I'm sorry, but I think you're completely wrong. NIN put Industrial on the map, so to speak, and brought it into the mainframe of things. Industrial is any type of music having a "mechanical" sound, hence the term industrial.

I can't believe you'd say Year Zero is even a good album, I'd have to say the best are The Downward Spiral and Further Down The Spiral. Year Zero and With_Teeth were horrible. I've yet to be graced with the Ghosts I-IV album, though.

And I have listened to TKK, they're alright.

[Honkymagoo]

Not here or with people I know. So I just figured.



I'm sorry, but I think you're completely wrong. NIN put Industrial on the map, so to speak, and brought it into the mainframe of things. Industrial is any type of music having a "mechanical" sound, hence the term industrial.

I can't believe you'd say Year Zero is even a good album, I'd have to say the best are The Downward Spiral and Further Down The Spiral. Year Zero and With_Teeth were horrible. I've yet to be graced with Ghosts yet, though.

And I have listened to TKK, they're alright.

What's your problem with Year Zero? That album was genius.

As for NIN "bringing industrial into the mainstream" I'm pretty sure that's something people DON'T like. When something gets popular it starts getting mass produced and it turns to shit. By your definition any electronic music is apparently industrial.

[v_thorne]

I just really, really didn't care for it. It was too political for my taste. I prefer the angrier NIN. Broken was amazing as well, short but genious.

And who cares if something is mainstream. People try so hard not to be or listen to something "mainstream" but it becomes inevidable if mass quanities of people enjoy it. Year Zero and With_Teeth were just prime examples of NIN getting turned to shit!

Not all electronical, synthesized music is industrial. I'm saying anything with a "mechanical" sound. Shit that sounds like machinery, which is what NIN sounds like. It's noise. It's beautiful. Industrial is noise.

[kiwi18]

No, Led Zeppelin was.

[Honkymagoo]

I just really, really didn't care for it. It was too political for my taste. I prefer the angrier NIN. Broken was amazing as well, short but genious.

And who cares if something is mainstream. People try so hard not to be or listen to something "mainstream" but it becomes inevidable if mass quanities of people enjoy it. Year Zero and With_Teeth were just prime examples of NIN getting turned to shit!

Not all electronical, synthesized music is industrial. I'm saying anything with a "mechanical" sound. Shit that sounds like machinery, which is what NIN sounds like. It's noise. It's beautiful. Industrial is noise.

So Boris and Sunn O))) are industrial?

I agree that With Teeth was a lousy album even though it had a few good tracks. Year Zero was a nearly perfect album in my opinion but obviously that isn't your thing. I'm saying that once something becomes mainstream it starts getting mass produced by record labels. They just start forming bands to pump out the same tired bullshit over and over again.

On a side note, you're going to hate Ghosts.

[v_thorne]

So Boris and Sunn O))) are industrial?

I agree that With Teeth was a lousy album even though it had a few good tracks. Year Zero was a nearly perfect album in my opinion but obviously that isn't your thing. I'm saying that once something becomes mainstream it starts getting mass produced by record labels. They just start forming bands to pump out the same tired bullshit over and over again.

On a side note, you're going to hate Ghosts.

Thanks for the warning, I was going to purchase it for my birthday this weekend on my trip out of town since we don't have a music store here. :mad: So I'll just save my money then. Actually, on second thought I might as well add it to my collection so nevermind! I have all the other albums and singles anyway.

I haven't ever heard of Boris and Sunn O, to be honest so I couldn't say.
The definition of "industrial" is A style of rock music marked by harsh rhythms, little melody, and nihilistic lyrics. Which marks NIN to a T.

If they are not industrial, then please tell me what you would label them as.

[Honkymagoo]

Thanks for the warning, I was going to purchase it for my birthday this weekend on my trip out of town since we don't have a music store here. :mad: So I'll just save my money then. Actually, on second thought I might as well add it to my collection so nevermind! I have all the other albums and singles anyway.

I haven't ever heard of Boris and Sunn O, to be honest so I couldn't say.
The definition of "industrial" is A style of rock music marked by harsh rhythms, little melody, and nihilistic lyrics. Which marks NIN to a T.

If they are not industrial, then please tell me what you would label them as.

Not necessarily sure what I would label NIN as. I said there are industrial overtones but I just wouldn't call it industrial and many people would agree. Ghosts I-IV was released for free online (by Reznor himself) so why not just download it and see if you like it? While we're on the subject of NIN I'd just like to clear something up. You are aware that Nine Inch Nails only consists of Trent Reznor, correct? I keep seeing you referring to NIN as a "them" but it's really only a "him."

Sunn O))) is a drone/noise band and Boris has done some drone/noise rock albums and collaborated with Sunn O))) for a few albums. You characterized Industrial as noise but "Noise" is already an actual genre of music. Youtube them to see for yourself.

[v_thorne]

Not necessarily sure what I would label NIN as. I said there are industrial overtones but I just wouldn't call it industrial and many people would agree. Ghosts I-IV was released for free online (by Reznor himself) so why not just download it and see if you like it? While we're on the subject of NIN I'd just like to clear something up. You are aware that Nine Inch Nails only consists of Trent Reznor, correct? I keep seeing you referring to NIN as a "them" but it's really only a "him."

Sunn O))) is a drone/noise band and Boris has done some drone/noise rock albums and collaborated with Sunn O))) for a few albums. You characterized Industrial as noise but "Noise" is already an actual genre of music. Youtube them to see for yourself.

I do realize this, I'm just used to refering to bands as "them" I guess. I know Trent does all the recording, sounds, remixing, and producing and all that fun stuff. Though for the obvious exception of his live albums such as And All That Could Have Been.

Anyway, I'm not looking to argue. We both seem to have strong, unswayable views on this. I'll check out that free download, I knew it was released online but I thought it was for a fee. I think I'll check out Sunn O and Boris, thanks for the suggestion.

[Now Evergreen]

I didn't see if we're still on the NiN topic, but I have to say, IMO the albums rank as such:

TDS
Broken
The Fragile (filler anyone?)
Ghosts
Pretty Hate Machine
With Teeth
Year Zero


The politics were redundant and overplayed in Year Zero, I felt like I was listening to a high-school speech... for an hour.

Trent has always been more potent than brilliant in songwriting, but he's gone off the path of "questionable" and into the path of "Jesus Christ, what is this shit!?"

[Honkymagoo]

I didn't see if we're still on the NiN topic, but I have to say, IMO the albums rank as such:

TDS
Broken
The Fragile (filler anyone?)
Ghosts
Pretty Hate Machine
With Teeth
Year Zero


The politics were redundant and overplayed in Year Zero, I felt like I was listening to a high-school speech... for an hour.

Then the concept of the album obviously flew right over your head. The songs were meant to be from the perspective of different people.

Anyway, if you like Skinny Puppy then check out "Front Line Assembly." It's a side project of one of the members.

[Now Evergreen]

No, it was just written amazingly shittily.

I understood the concept.
Read about the virtual game and the characters.
Didn't like the album.

No amount of concept album jazz can save it from poor lyrics, and an overdone concept to do.

Can he really compete with fuckin' George Orwell for Best Dystopian Future Award?
No.
Never.

[v_thorne]

No, it was just written amazingly shittily.

I agree. I never thought I would say that about a NIN album. Trent has never ceased to wow me until now.
I got the whole concept... but I didn't like it. I don't listen to NIN for politics. If I wanted politics in songs I would go listen to some Anti-Flag and NOFX.

I even clung onto hope when With_Teeth was released.
But Year Zero ruined it, and even more so when he released Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D which was TERRIBLE. 3 bad ones in a row!

I currently have every "halo" he released with the exception of Ghost I-IV, if the pattern continues I think I'll have to abandon my faith in him.

[Now Evergreen]

Gunshots by Computer owned though.

Saul Williams in his Three album or so career (plus Gunshots by Computer and other songs) has really made a mark on me.

I probably prefered "...Niggy Tardust" more than any NiN albums to be honest.

I hope you've all heard it, but incase you haven't...
http://niggytardust.com/

[Honkymagoo]

I agree. I never thought I would say that about a NIN album. Trent has never ceased to wow me until now.
I got the whole concept... but I didn't like it. I don't listen to NIN for politics. If I wanted politics in songs I would go listen to some Anti-Flag and NOFX.

I even clung onto hope when With_Teeth was released.
But Year Zero ruined it, and even more so when he released Y34RZ3R0R3M1X3D which was TERRIBLE. 3 bad ones in a row!

I currently have every "halo" he released with the exception of Ghost I-IV, if the pattern continues I think I'll have to abandon my faith in him.

Personally, as I said before, I love the direction he's going in. He mixes it up with every album. Would you really want him to release The Downward Spiral 13 or 14 more times? Every album he's made has been special for it's own reasons.

Gunshots by Computer owned though.

Saul Williams in his Three album or so career (plus Gunshots by Computer and other songs) has really made a mark on me.

I probably prefered "...Niggy Tardust" more than any NiN albums to be honest.

I hope you've all heard it, but incase you haven't...
http://niggytardust.com/

Amethyst Rock Star was about 1000x better than Niggy Tardust. I'm not saying Niggy Tardust was a bad album, it just wasn't as whole as Amethyst imo. If you don't have that album I really hope you pick it up.

[Sanction]

Excuse me for sounding ignorant, and I am merely asking this in all honesty, but what's wrong with mainstream music?

[Honkymagoo]

Excuse me for sounding ignorant, and I am merely asking this in all honesty, but what's wrong with mainstream music?

I'm saying that once something becomes mainstream it starts getting mass produced by record labels. They just start forming bands to pump out the same tired bullshit over and over again.

On a side note, you're going to hate Ghosts.

There, I quoted myself. On two separate posts I stated what's wrong with mainstream music. Did you miss that? or are you asking just to ask.

[v_thorne]

Personally, as I said before, I love the direction he's going in. He mixes it up with every album. Would you really want him to release The Downward Spiral 13 or 14 more times? Every album he's made has been special for it's own reasons.


Never said that I wanted him to. As I stated before, I love all his stuff up unto With_Teeth.

[Hexrapper]

Nine Inch Nails isn't industrial. There's industrial influence in earlier work and I guess some in Year Zero, but they sure as hell aren't industrial.

A good bit of Year Zero hate in this topic I see, too. I liked Year Zero a lot, and can't really see how you guys could fault it e_e. Vessel and The Great Destroyer in particular were fantastic. Eons better than With_Teeth anyway.

On the topic of Skinny Puppy, I love them. I'm kinda meh as far as their recent stuff goes, though Mythmaker was a moderate improvement over TGWOTR IMO. VIVIsect VI and Too Dark Park are great, and though I'd be taunted for doing so I think that their singles collection The Singles Collect is strong enough to stand on its own simply because the music is that good and the songs work together well enough. That would be my favourite piece of their work.

I've been meaning to check out Front Line Assembly for a while. Hopefully theor stuff sounds better than Rx, Error and Ohgr =P

[Now Evergreen]

Personally, as I said before, I love the direction he's going in. He mixes it up with every album. Would you really want him to release The Downward Spiral 13 or 14 more times? Every album he's made has been special for it's own reasons.



Amethyst Rock Star was about 1000x better than Niggy Tardust. I'm not saying Niggy Tardust was a bad album, it just wasn't as whole as Amethyst imo. If you don't have that album I really hope you pick it up.

I have both, and overall I agree.
But I like them both a lot, and it's legal to link a Niggy Tardust download

[Sanction]

There, I quoted myself. On two separate posts I stated what's wrong with mainstream music. Did you miss that? or are you asking just to ask.

Ah, my bad, I missed it. :p

[Exiled Assassin]

never heard of skinny puppy, don't like rammstein, but i do love NIN

[v_thorne]

Nine Inch Nails isn't industrial. There's industrial influence in earlier work and I guess some in Year Zero, but they sure as hell aren't industrial.

A good bit of Year Zero hate in this topic I see, too. I liked Year Zero a lot, and can't really see how you guys could fault it e_e. Vessel and The Great Destroyer in particular were fantastic. Eons better than With_Teeth anyway.

You know, I'm really sick of seeing people refering to Year Zero and With_Teeth as if they've only heard of NIN since Guitar Hero and Rock Band.

Everything from Pretty Hate Machine all the way through to The Fragile WAS INDUSTRIAL.

[Honkymagoo]

You know, I'm really sick of seeing people refering to Year Zero and With_Teeth as if they've only heard of NIN since Guitar Hero and Rock Band.

Everything from Pretty Hate Machine all the way through to The Fragile WAS INDUSTRIAL.

If you say so :p

http://zip.4chan.org/mu/imgboard.html

Go make a thread on there either stating that or asking if NIN is or ever was industrial and see what kind of responses you get.

[Honkymagoo]

Because 4chan is reliable...

Genre tags pertain to the people who use them. ONLY.
End of story, lock this thread.

What crawled up your ass? Chillax brewha.

[Hexrapper]

You know, I'm really sick of seeing people refering to Year Zero and With_Teeth as if they've only heard of NIN since Guitar Hero and Rock Band.

Everything from Pretty Hate Machine all the way through to The Fragile WAS INDUSTRIAL.

No, they actually weren't. As I said, there's industrial influence in their earlier stuff, but NIN is definitely not industrial.

[v_thorne]

Oh, and Honky. You were wrong

I'm LOVING Ghosts so far, about 10 tracks in. Just picked it up today.

[Honkymagoo]

Oh, and Honky. You were wrong

I'm LOVING Ghosts so far, about 10 tracks in. Just picked it up today.

Interesting. I figured since you were into harder music based on you preferring old NIN to new NIN. I thought Ghosts was phenomenal.

[Now Evergreen]

I don't think it's the harder he prefers...

I just think he has something in his head for quality control ;)

[Honkymagoo]

I don't think it's the harder he prefers...

I just think he has something in his head for quality control ;)

icwutudidthere.

Ah, I loved Year Zero and I'll stand by it. I know the album was met with mixed feelings but personally I don't care what people think. =)

[Gaurdy3G]

NIN were one of, if not the best live band ive ever seen, but i have to say that Ministry are the kings of industrial.

[Now Evergreen]

I've only seen NiN live on dvd, but it was still brilliant.

It was the With_Teeth tour I believe, but god...
They played those songs to the best of their ability.

[v_thorne]

I've only seen NiN live on dvd, but it was still brilliant.

It was the With_Teeth tour I believe, but god...
They played those songs to the best of their ability.

Is that the "Beside You In Time" dvd?
I was more impressed that Twiggy was on bass lol.
I own it along with "Closure" and "And All That Could Have Been..." and I have to say if you were impressed with BYIT, Closure will completely blow you away.

AATCHB was alright as well. But I've always loved live NIN.
My sisters boyfriend was/is a roadie and got to do one of his tours, and brought home a smashed keyboard signed by Trent and the rest of the live band.

[Now Evergreen]

Yeah, beside you in time.

I'll have to see Closure, I looked for it before, but not too in-depth, so I figure I could probably snag it off eBay or something for cheap.

[Honkymagoo]

Didn't think it deserved a new thread but has anyone heard the NEW NIN track? Yes, there's another song beyond Ghosts already. The song is called "Discipline." Apparently the new CD is coming out in July. To be honest the song sounds reminiscent of With Teeth (which I didn't think was THAT bad.) Though, I don't think I'd want him to release another With Teeth. I guess we'll see where this goes.

http://www.nin.com/

He released the song from the official website.

[Now Evergreen]

I liked Sunspots.

I'll give WT that much.

[Bax x360a]

Skinny Puppy - Their so good I've never heard of them.

[Now Evergreen]

I'm sure you haven't heard of 99% of what I listen to.
So you're hardly a judge of what's good.

Oh, and I like disipline, but I can see it as a With_Teeth missing track that no-one found and Trent just said "Fuck it, it's on the new CD!"

Some lyrics are also questionable, especially the first verse.

[Honkymagoo]

Skinny Puppy - Their so good I've never heard of them.

So you're saying the only good music is the stuff that is accessible? That breaks my heart.

I'm sure you haven't heard of 99% of what I listen to.
So you're hardly a judge of what's good.

Oh, and I like disipline, but I can see it as a With_Teeth missing track that no-one found and Trent just said "Fuck it, it's on the new CD!"

Some lyrics are also questionable, especially the first verse.

I'm assuming that wasn't a reference to me. As for the new track It's actually kinda catchy

[Honkymagoo]

No man.
To the other guy.

You're neat.

You need to take advantage of the quote function so people know who you're talking to lol. I can generally tell by the context of the post but it couldn't hurt.

[v_thorne]

Didn't think it deserved a new thread but has anyone heard the NEW NIN track? Yes, there's another song beyond Ghosts already. The song is called "Discipline." Apparently the new CD is coming out in July. To be honest the song sounds reminiscent of With Teeth (which I didn't think was THAT bad.) Though, I don't think I'd want him to release another With Teeth. I guess we'll see where this goes.

http://www.nin.com/

He released the song from the official website.

What?
Already? Really?
Gonna go check it out...

[x KuKuKachoo x]

not bad
drums sound real good