Insane: A true sense of accomplishment

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

After spending 14 1/2 hours straight on Insane difficulty, I beat ol' Magruder. Unlike a lot of games' different accomplishments, I really truely feel like I accomplished something when that nice 130 point achievement popped on my screen just now saying "Achievement Unlocked." I can honestly say that there have only been very few achievements that have given me this feeling, such as Ridge Racer 6: World Xploration Complete, and Rockstar Table Tennis: Win 50 Tournaments.

I guess this is a pointless post really, but I was just stating that this achievement is one of the few that I really really felt like I accomplished something. Insane is DEFINATELY insane.

~ Lonnie

[Helacool360]

After spending 14 1/2 hours straight on Insane difficulty, I beat ol' Magruder. Unlike a lot of games' different accomplishments, I really truely feel like I accomplished something when that nice 130 point achievement popped on my screen just now saying "Achievement Unlocked." I can honestly say that there have only been very few achievements that have given me this feeling, such as Ridge Racer 6: World Xploration Complete, and Rockstar Table Tennis: Win 50 Tournaments.

I guess this is a pointless post really, but I was just stating that this achievement is one of the few that I really really felt like I accomplished something. Insane is DEFINATELY insane.

~ Lonnie

Congrats man. I felt that feeling when I got Dark Agent co-op completed on PDZ and PGR3 plats:D

[ModoX]

Nice to hear it felt good. Gun was the latest game to arrive from my rental people, and I'm doing it on insane first. Only a couple of hours through, if that, but you'll hopefully give me motivation to get through the tough bits.

[RalliArtEvo]

Nice to hear it felt good. Gun was the latest game to arrive from my rental people, and I'm doing it on insane first. Only a couple of hours through, if that, but you'll hopefully give me motivation to get through the tough bits.

good luck on beating insane first! you'll need it.

[ModoX]

good luck on beating insane first! you'll need it.

Christ, don't tell me that, I'm doing the deputy missions in Dodge before I move on to the next city and it took me about an hour just to break up that stupid poker brawl. It really requires careful play and some excellent shooting skillz, turns it almost into a stealth game. Cause really, if you try to take on more than two guys head to head you're pretty much f*cked.

[Ki23lla]

After spending 14 1/2 hours straight on Insane difficulty, I beat ol' Magruder. Unlike a lot of games' different accomplishments, I really truely feel like I accomplished something when that nice 130 point achievement popped on my screen just now saying "Achievement Unlocked." I can honestly say that there have only been very few achievements that have given me this feeling, such as Ridge Racer 6: World Xploration Complete, and Rockstar Table Tennis: Win 50 Tournaments.

I guess this is a pointless post really, but I was just stating that this achievement is one of the few that I really really felt like I accomplished something. Insane is DEFINATELY insane.

~ Lonnie

it dosent show that you got it

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

Ki23lla: I don't have high-speed internet at home, and I haven't brought my Xbox to anyone's house in a couple days since my friend went on vacation. When he gets back I'll "move in" with him again.. heh.

ModoX: Actually, I was on the point on Insane where I finally could take on more than a couple guys at once-- it's all about the quickdraw!! After you press Rb to activate your quickdraw, then push your left stick left and right to toggle through enemies... I could usually take out at least three before they even got a shot on me if you rotate them right and get headshots...
Also, when using your rifle, if you just keep moving around and getting "no scopes" on people, as long as your moving left or right they usually can't hit you!! (with the exception of the last mission or two).

I played Hard after beating Insane and it seemed so easy, lol. So I encourage you to keep trying through those hard parts!!

~ Lonnie

[ModoX]

I run out of Quickdraw very rapidly though. It gets filled back up as I kill people, but nowhere near the rate at which it goes down. I haven't really used the target switching as I go for headshots, does it not take fourish hits to take someone down?

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

Didn't seem like it took 4 with me when I was getting headshots... I think it took about 4 body shots though.

[The Killer 47]

Couple of tips from me: fully upgrade the rifle asap and use for most of your fighting, ride a horse whenever possible as it functions as body armor, upgrade your flask asap, and do as many side quests as you can as it will improve your chances of survival considerably. Good luck and don't give up.:)

[ModoX]

Didn't seem like it took 4 with me when I was getting headshots... I think it took about 4 body shots though.

Will the target switching aim for the head though? Admittedly I haven't really tried it, but I presumed it wouldn't be nice enough to aim directly for the head. Guess you could use the target switching to aim at a guy then manually move up to his head.

Thanks for the tips Killer 47, I'm making sure I do all sidequests as I go through and I've found I barely use anything but the rifle, unless in quickdraw of course. The shotgun can be fun but on Insane it's just not quick enough, it's only useful if there's one single guy to be killed.

One question: do you get all the weapons from missions or are there some you have to buy? I only ask cause I bought the scalping knife thinking it would count towards the weapons, and it doesn't. Which reminds me, what's the point of scalping people?

[The Killer 47]

You collect all the weapons just by playing through the entire game, except for the last weapon which you will need 100% completion of all quests to get. Scalping is just for fun.

[ModoX]

You collect all the weapons just by playing through the entire game, except for the last weapon which you will need 100% completion of all quests to get. Scalping is just for fun.

Dammit I spent like $15 on that bloody scalping knife. Oh well, I'll learn. I'm doing all the missions as I go through so hopefully I'll have enough money for all the upgrades.

[The Killer 47]

You will have more than enough money to buy everything, so no worries about running out of cash. The scalping knife may count towards your upgrades, but I'm not positive about it.

[Pitbob27]

I reackon gun is a poo game coz the graphics havent improved from the old xbox and it is really short. I giv it a 4/10
1 to 3 = :mad:

4 to 6 = :(

6 to 8 = :)

8 to 10 =:bow:

[ModoX]

I wasn't really looking forward to it to be honest, I'd heard a lot of mixed stuff and it is pretty much a PS2 game. Plus I don't like Wild West things. But I'm quite enjoying it so far, I'm getting better at it. Definitely has a Halo on Legendary feel to it when you're on insane, it's nowhere near as good as Halo obviously but it requires the same discipline.

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

I agree, it's not my type of game I didn't think... I still remember when my friend walked in and I was herding cattle... lol. I won't repeat what he said.

Anyway, it is quite hard in insane, but do-able... but I really had fun with the whole game overall (enough to beat it 4 times...) Let us know your progress, ModoX.

~ Lonnie

[ModoX]

I agree, it's not my type of game I didn't think... I still remember when my friend walked in and I was herding cattle... lol. I won't repeat what he said.

Anyway, it is quite hard in insane, but do-able... but I really had fun with the whole game overall (enough to beat it 4 times...) Let us know your progress, ModoX.

~ Lonnie

Haha, I herded some cattle yesterday, it was aces I thought. Breakaway!

It's actually getting easier, and I spent a good hour wandering around getting bits of gold (I've mined about 30 now) I could find, tried using a guide but the descriptions were terrible. Means I've managed to buy loads of upgrades now though, so my rifle seems to kill with one shot, and my quickdraw duration has gone up a bunch. I'm actually really enjoying it so far, I've been messing around with Hearts and Marble Blast Ultra the past few days cause I was scared of insane mode, but it's not so bad up to now, you just have to be careful and learn from your mistakes.

[ImmortalLeoman]

I've just started playing this game agien, and on insane you die really easy

[The Killer 47]

Another useful tip I forgot to mention: In case you didn't know already if you go into a mission with less than a full flask, save and quit. When you load up the game, you will be in the mission with a full flask.

[ModoX]

Another useful tip I forgot to mention: In case you didn't know already if you go into a mission with less than a full flask, save and quit. When you load up the game, you will be in the mission with a full flask.

Does this work even when you've upgraded your flask though? Or do you end up with a half full flask if you've doubled its size?

And ImmortalLeoman - yes, two shots and you're done, it's very tough to take on groups.

[The Killer 47]

Does this work even when you've upgraded your flask though? Or do you end up with a half full flask if you've doubled its size?

And ImmortalLeoman - yes, two shots and you're done, it's very tough to take on groups.
Yes, you will still get a full flask even with it fully upgraded.

[ImmortalLeoman]

And ImmortalLeoman - yes, two shots and you're done, it's very tough to take on groups.

Ya, they always find a way to kill me

[ModoX]

Yes, you will still get a full flask even with it fully upgraded.

Excellent, that should come in handy. On the subject of Gun, I just finished off Hoodoo Brown, and dammit if it wasn't a bitch going through his casino. Everything is on fire so I can't see a damned thing, and there's people everywhere. Took me a good half hour or more.

[sharpercross]

to me this game is kick ass i havent played it on 360 yet but the story is great and the gameplay is great:woop: :woop: :woop: Great!

[sharpercross]

p.s. had it for xbox

[ModoX]

Ok, I need a little help here guys. I'm on Magruder's Mine, the last mission, only right at the start. I'm on Insane and have done all the sidemissions, but that part after you hit the junction switch ... I hide behind a little mine cart thing and pop up to take out the two exposed gatling guns, but the other one is fortified so you have to use the cannon. Thing is, it kills me as soon as we get round the bend, so I basically only have one shot to aim at something I can't see. Then the part after seems quite tough (I've only made it once) and if I die there I have to go back again to take out the gatling guns.

Any tips would be helpful.

[The Killer 47]

Ok, I need a little help here guys. I'm on Magruder's Mine, the last mission, only right at the start. I'm on Insane and have done all the sidemissions, but that part after you hit the junction switch ... I hide behind a little mine cart thing and pop up to take out the two exposed gatling guns, but the other one is fortified so you have to use the cannon. Thing is, it kills me as soon as we get round the bend, so I basically only have one shot to aim at something I can't see. Then the part after seems quite tough (I've only made it once) and if I die there I have to go back again to take out the gatling guns.

Any tips would be helpful. First take out the enemies at the start and head towards the corner. Snipe the guys on the guns and get to the cannon. Watch the windows on the right because there will be enemies in them. Have your finger on the flask button when you attack the fortified gun and heal as soon as you take a hit. When you see a wagon with some enemies and tnt on it, blow it up before they get a chance to fire. Above the entrance to the mine is an emplacement, shoot as soon as its in your sites.
Once it is clear, go back and pick up the flask refills and head into the mine.
You will get a checkpoint here.:)
When you see mine shafts with enemies coming out of them, destroy the supports to stop the enemies from flooding in.
Good luck you are almost done.;)
Message me if you need any clarification.

[ModoX]

First take out the enemies at the start and head towards the corner. Snipe the guys on the guns and get to the cannon. Watch the windows on the right because there will be enemies in them. Have your finger on the flask button when you attack the fortified gun and heal as soon as you take a hit. When you see a wagon with some enemies and tnt on it, blow it up before they get a chance to fire. Above the entrance to the mine is an emplacement, shoot as soon as its in your sites.
Once it is clear, go back and pick up the flask refills and head into the mine.
You will get a checkpoint here.:)
When you see mine shafts with enemies coming out of them, destroy the supports to stop the enemies from flooding in.
Good luck you are almost done.;)
Message me if you need any clarification.

Cheers, I'll keep trying. I guess like you say, just keep my finger on the heal button. I'd been trying to do it without healing myself as I know I can manage to hit it on my first shot, but only once in every like twenty goes.

One question, as I got to a checkpoint just after you hit the junction switch, when I load up will it resume from there? And will it resume precisely where you are when you save, or just from the last checkpoint? I was just thinking because if it saves precisely then I could hit the fortified gun then save so as to avoid doing it over and over.

[The Killer 47]

I'm pretty sure you can save to that checkpoint. The saves only allow you to load to the checkpoint.

[ModoX]

Yeah, only to the last checkpoint unfortunately.

I had a quick go last night though, and made it past the section that was giving me trouble, onto the next junction switch. I took your advice and kept hitting the heal button as I came round the corner, which sorted out that section, then I took out the guys in the windows and found it easier, when the wagon came round, to jump off the cannon and hide behind the cart by the shed, picking the two guys off from a distance. From there I realised that you could backtrack a little and pick off the guys standing next to the fortified emplacement on the canyon wall, which makes it easier to stay alive as you get back on the cannon and take out the emplacement and the cannon above the mine entrance.

I have to say though, I had a quick go at the next section, and I really hate staying on that cannon, it fires so slowly and you have zero protection. I'll need to keep getting off it for firefights.

[The Killer 47]

yeah, the cannon is only really useful if the enemies are all clustered together.

[ModoX]

Another useful tip I forgot to mention: In case you didn't know already if you go into a mission with less than a full flask, save and quit. When you load up the game, you will be in the mission with a full flask.
Ok, I just loaded up my save from the other day, where I'm near the start of Magruder's Mine, and my flask is empty, is there any way I can get it to give me a full flask?

To be honest, I need one to get through the next section, on the cannon blasting those side caves. There's no way I can get through even the first two (I'm not sure if there's more after, I haven't made it yet) with only the two whiskey bottles it puts in the little shed next to the junction switch. Wouldn't be so bad if you could take out the four guys that run out of the caves, but if you do another set come right back out again.

Edit: I can do the side caves bit now, and make it to the next junction switch, but for some reason that switch isn't a checkpoint? So I have to make it through two side caves, the rolling barrels of TNT, the firefight with two gatling guns after that, then another 10 men or so after that, and I would hope there's a checkpoint soon after? All this without a checkpoint? I'm getting proper brassed off with this game now.

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

That's the toughest part (imo) on all of insane-- and yes, there is a checkpoint "after those 10 men" or so.

[The Killer 47]

when you get to the part that you have to protect your men while they rotate the track is a checkpoint.

[ModoX]

At least I know there's one coming up then, gives me some motivation to try again.

It's odd, but I've noticed it throughout the game, that the story missions are always far more difficult than the side missions you have to do. And the gap widens the further through the game you get. The last few side missions were easy, but every single story mission has been really tough.

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

Yeah, that's true. Also, once you make it to the next checkpoint where you protect the workers as they rotate the thing, you should be in good shape for the most part. So, just remember that if you're trying to get that far for a long time... :)

[Fonkey Monkey]

how about Normal diffucuclty : a semi-sence of accomplishment ;)

[ModoX]

Another useful tip I forgot to mention: In case you didn't know already if you go into a mission with less than a full flask, save and quit. When you load up the game, you will be in the mission with a full flask.

Does this only work at the start of a mission or what? Because it's not working halfway through Magruder's Mine.

I think, to be honest, that I'm going to give up on insane. I'm still stuck on the same bit. The few times I do get past the caves I can't take out the gatling gun in the next section after the junction switch. It stopped being fun to play hours ago, and I've literally spent hours on this little section. I'll probably finish it on easy and have done with it, play something enjoyable instead.

[The Killer 47]

Does this only work at the start of a mission or what? Because it's not working halfway through Magruder's Mine.

I think, to be honest, that I'm going to give up on insane. I'm still stuck on the same bit. The few times I do get past the caves I can't take out the gatling gun in the next section after the junction switch. It stopped being fun to play hours ago, and I've literally spent hours on this little section. I'll probably finish it on easy and have done with it, play something enjoyable instead. The flask trick only works at the start. Are you talking about the gatling gun that is around a corner fairly far down the tunnel? As for that, use the sniper rifle, crouch down and slowly move towards the corner til you can just barely see the guy. Shoot him twice in the arm or leg and he'll go down.

[ModoX]

The flask trick only works at the start. Are you talking about the gatling gun that is around a corner fairly far down the tunnel? As for that, use the sniper rifle, crouch down and slowly move towards the corner til you can just barely see the guy. Shoot him twice in the arm or leg and he'll go down.

Yeah, that's the one I'm on about. If I try any sort of sneaking around the corner though, obviously my arm or whatever will get round the corner before I can see him, so he can hit me. Maybe I'll try again today.

Edit - I've just managed to do it, finally, and I actually didn't lose any health, so I've just defended the turntable and have a full bottle, which is great. I just did as you said, coming round the corner slowly, and it worked. For the guys that turn up after the gatling guns, I spent ages pushing up the TNT barrells from that little hole to the right, and placed them around the entrance to the next section, blowing them up killed everyone in one go, which was highly useful. Now I have to make it the rest of the way, and fight Magruder. That will not be a fun experience.

Edit 2 - I've finished it! After that section it wasn't too tough, when you've gotten rid of the cannon and really confined spaces. Magruder gave me a little trouble on the first section, you just have to be very careful and really pay attention to where he's headed. The second section didn't take long to figure out, I worried when my rifle ran out, but I happily just stood there and kept hitting him with pistol shots, and he went down pretty quick. Great finish to the game, story-wise, which is something a lot of games lack.

And cheers to everyone here who helped me along, I would definitely not have made it to the end on my own.

[The Killer 47]

Congratulations. That's no small feat.:)

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

Yeah man I'm glad you finished it! I didn't want you to make it that far and then not finish it. Congrats-- a deserving 130 point achievement!! You gonna go for 1000 in the game? Once you beat it on Insane, even Hard seems easy :)

[seantak]

Couple of tips from me: fully upgrade the rifle asap and use for most of your fighting, ride a horse whenever possible as it functions as body armor, upgrade your flask asap, and do as many side quests as you can as it will improve your chances of survival considerably. Good luck and don't give up.:)

Thanks for the advice. This really helped.

[ModoX]

You gonna go for 1000 in the game? Once you beat it on Insane, even Hard seems easy :)

Lol, no chance. I've sent it back to the rental guys, a month of Gun is quite enough for me. I couldn't even be bothered finishing the Easy game I was halfway through. Maybe I'll go back to it at some point and finish off the 1000, but right now I'm looking forward to trying something different.

It definitely does give you a true sense of accomplishment though, the most chuffed I've been with myself for finishing a game on the 360 so far I think.

[bdg7884]

I agree with everyone on this one! When that Achievement Unlocked came up on that screen I was happy... I can truely say this was insane! Their was a couple times I wanted to quit. Especially after hearing the same scene over and over again! I can say 4 times through this game is a little much though... Good Luck too all who accept this challenge! Trust me your going to need it.

[Newbie Soldier]

I beat this on Insane, it took me along time to do it, but it feels really good when you do, one of my hardest achievements I have done

[djfrogstar]

Oh man, im trying this as well.... Its really difficult.... Im still stuck at part where you have to fight off the people from setting the saloon on fire. I did all the side quests which were before this section and bought everything in the store. I must have tried it 30 times so far. I took the advice of using the horse as some extra health, and it let me live a bit longer....

Are any of you using the horse attack? or are the oil barrels good for anything.....any help is much appreciated...
thanks in advance

ribbit

[djfrogstar]

ok been struggling with insane for awhile but have made a bit of progress...
and would like to share a few tips which make it a bit easier.

If you are ever in a mission or side mission that is taking place in a town. Try and go inside a building once the enemies start coming in to attack. The AI of the enemies will normally not enter the building, so they will bunch up outside a window in most cases. At this time aim up and headshot them or the horse and eventually you will get them all... In most cases this will work. Its just that on insane you can get easily overwhelmed when facing multiple enemies and doesnt seem realistic to survive.

The best advice ive gotten from this GUN forum is using the horse as body armor. So getting your horse skill higher allows for more health when it comes to the horse. I feel terrible but ive gone through 20 horses so far.


edit.... The listening to the same scene over and over again is insane

[PureFLCL]

I know that feeling all to well, I completed the whole game yesterday. Thanks for the great Guides and Links for completing the achievements. This is the only complete web site makes all the difference in spending hours or having to spend days completing the games.

[xOTBx FeaRLeSs]

I had the same feeling after beating F.E.A.R on extreme difficulty mode both in Campaign and Instant Action.

I'm playing Gun right now on insane mode and i'am almost at the end.

[III SS III]

just got finished with gun on insane...this was my roomates game and i originally played on hard...few months back i went through on easy and medium...finally 2 days ago i said it was time lol...after goin through the game 3 times it was fairly simple...only got hung up a few times...man am i glad thats done...i guess its back to the crackdown orbs...congrats to anyone whos done this...deff a true achievement

[LX PROTOCOL V2]

I think there are a few achievements out there that seperate the "good" and the "great" players. The insane achievement in this game is one of them. You need skills to do it. COD2 (on vet) is the same way. Anyone can get 10K playing 2K sport games. I felt really good about getting the insane achievement. Easy and normal are different games from hard and insane. You don't even need upgrades in the easier two.

http://my.livecard.net/blue/LX+PROTOCOL%20V2.png

[H3ALTHINSP3CTOR]

The only advice i can give for INSANE mode is use a horse whenever possible with quickdraw, and a powerful rifle. These should all be your main focus at upgrade time, then get the rest. A powerful rifle will help in every situation, except Magurader's fight, where you'll need to use quick draw.

[codedigital]

Please don't dig up old threads.

All the advice anyone could need was already there.

And if they really want the achievement without working for it....they could do the cheat that loads Magruder's Mine.

[ThaMissinLink]

I just beat this on Insane tonight...Macgruder was too easy in comparisson to Holister..but oh well..time to find my last nugget :(

[Master Duke]

After i finished GUN on Insaine difficulty i could have jumped for joy, or maybe even done a victory dance, if I could dance at all that is. Its no exadgeration. That achievment is one of the hardest ive ever earned.

[sn1p3rsc0p3]

props man... beating games on hard or insane difficulty is tough... take rainbow 6 vegas for example..

[Fullawka14]

Insane isn't hard on this game, but at least do the game on medium first and then try on insane cuz easy you get so much life and then medium is when it starts getting harder, the only tough parts in insane were the actual magruders mine, i had no problem beating him(since i beat him 3 other times) but other wise it was pretty easy.

[gublets8o3]

this game was alot of fun back in the day and beating it on insane was probely one of the hardest achievements that i have

[J eVeRy DaY 514]

i thought that beating it on insane was actually more difficult than cod veteran, but then again, its been awhile. well COD 3 at least wasn't hard compared to this.