I, DarK KrYpToNyTe Use Game Saves

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I am declaring that I use game saves to the world, and guess what I don't care. Call me what u want to, say I have no skill I don't care. I am going to use them if everyone else uses them. And plz gamerscore does not determine how good u r, it determines how much time u have. If u are a true gamer u will be able to get any achievement it's just a matter of who has more time. U can disagree with me, but keep ur opinions to urself. I have the balls to admit this which is a lot more than I can say for most of u. So go ahead and take me off the leaderboards and ban me from the site if u'd like to.

[Sarge McLarge]

U can disagree with me, but keep ur opinions to urself.

Well you can't expect that to happen on this site :D.

[KilluhKam]

Well you can't expect that to happen on this site :D.

lol nope sho cant

[g4m3r7ag]

i have to agree with blitz, if you cant beat em, join em. i dont think banning or removal from the leaderboards is necessary, seeing as how i have already received many private messages regarding how to use gamesaves. so soon many more people will be using them. but as always, we shall see what routine says.

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

very true..lol! wow some ppl just need to worry bout their own life

[TimidKillah]

I have the balls to admit this which is a lot more than I can say for most of u.

Well, son, I don't know what you're implying by saying "most of u", but you can look at my card long and hard - no game saves there.

I will, however, agree with you that a higher gamer score shows how much time a person has available to dedicate to gaming.

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

Well, son, I don't know what you're implying by saying "most of u", but you can look at my card long and hard - no game saves there.

I will, however, agree with you that a higher gamer score shows how much time a person has available to dedicate to gaming.

im not implying u, i am actually referring to ppl with higher scores, no offence. And no im not accusing ppl of gamesaving bcuz there r some legit ppl.

[DaKing240]

If only I was a moderator at this time, I would be taking damage control.

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

it's funny how u want to ban me, but the admin of the site is doing the same thing.

[DaKing240]

I never said I wanted to ban you.

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I never said I wanted to ban you.

well then what did u mean by damage control

[Mr Arrow]

I am declaring that I use game saves to the world, and guess what I don't care. Call me what u want to, say I have no skill I don't care. I am going to use them if everyone else uses them. And plz gamerscore does not determine how good u r, it determines how much time u have. If u are a true gamer u will be able to get any achievement it's just a matter of who has more time. U can disagree with me, but keep ur opinions to urself. I have the balls to admit this which is a lot more than I can say for most of u. So go ahead and take me off the leaderboards and ban me from the site if u'd like to.

I couldn't give a damn if you used these save games, just don't come here trying to clean your conscience by making these inflammatory, bogus statements. It seems like you're a little defensive (feeling guilty?)

And as far as opinions, you're going to get them and are asking for them; remember opinions are like assholes - everybody has one.

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I couldn't give a damn if you used these save games, just don't come here trying to clean your conscience by making these inflammatory, bogus statements. It seems like you're a little defensive (feeling guilty?)

And as far as opinions, you're going to get them and are asking for them; remember opinions are like assholes - everybody has one.

i'm not feeling guilty, i have nothing to feel guilty about, I am simple letting everyone know bcuz ppl r asking and accusing.

PS: That's a cute little analogy u got! :p

[Tonloc79]

I couldn't give a damn if you used these save games, just don't come here trying to clean your conscience by making these inflammatory, bogus statements. It seems like you're a little defensive (feeling guilty?)

And as far as opinions, you're going to get them and are asking for them; remember opinions are like assholes - everybody has one.
Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one, AND THEY ALL STINK!
I figured id finnish the saying for you.

[g4m3r7ag]

i had never heard that with the and they all stink on the end of it, but really, i dont see why people that use saves should be banned, even if i didnt use them i would be saying this, you wanna know why, because all they are doing is getting achievements. which is what we do at this site, get achievements, i have said the like 5 times now. its just a little bit cheaper then how we usually do it, but its the same ultimate goal, GET ACHIEVEMENTS.

btw, mr arrow, that avatar kicks ass.

[Mr Arrow]

Maybe I can put this in perspective; Using saved game files is a matter of choice, I just hope your surgeon didn't use a saved file on his MCAT!

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

Maybe I can put this in perspective; Using saved game files is a matter of choice, I just hope your surgeon didn't use a saved file on his MCAT!

yeah cuz that's the same. It's a freakin game it doesnt matter. Wow maybe u should get some perspective

[g4m3r7ag]

dude i was semi in agreeance with mr arrow, its a matter of choice how you obtain your achievements.

[xfrancox]

I cant be the only person who thinks this is lame as shit? If youre cheating to get them then what the hell is the point? No youre not hurting people by doing it but its defeating the purpose. They are called achievements, why? Because you get them for achieving something whether that be because of the time you put into a game or because you have the skills to do what was required. I also find it ridiculous that you ask people to keep their opinions to themselves. Why post something here then? The only way youre going to prevent people from giving their opinion is by not giving them something to give an opinion on. I dont think you should be banned but I definitely think you shouldnt be on the leaderboards, why should you? You didnt do anything to earn it.

[Mr Arrow]

yeah cuz that's the same. It's a freakin game it doesnt matter. Wow maybe u should get some perspective
I think you need to re-read what I wrote - You are missing the point. I have no problem with you using save files, I'm emphasizing the point that is is just a game and that there are much more important issues (surgery being one). The MCAT is the admission exam for medical school - not something I want my surgeon using a 'save file' on.

I do hope you understand (remember - a mind is a terrible thing to waste!)

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I cant be the only person who thinks this is lame as shit? If youre cheating to get them then what the hell is the point? No youre not hurting people by doing it but its defeating the purpose. They are called achievements, why? Because you get them for achieving something whether that be because of the time you put into a game or because you have the skills to do what was required. I also find it ridiculous that you ask people to keep their opinions to themselves. Why post something here then? The only way youre going to prevent people from giving their opinion is by not giving them something to give an opinion on. I dont think you should be banned but I definitely think you shouldnt be on the leaderboards, why should you? You didnt do anything to earn it.

didnt do anything to earn it, yeah right. I was up in the leaderboards b4 i used them. Then i figured if everyone is using them y shouldnt? And just so ya knoe u cant use them for half the games out there.

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I think you need to re-read what I wrote - You are missing the point. I have no problem with you using save files, I'm emphasizing the point that is is just a game and that there are much more important issues (surgery being one). The MCAT is the admission exam for medical school - not something I want my surgeon using a 'save file' on.

I do hope you understand (remember - a mind is a terrible thing to waste!)

Yeah i get it jackass, but what i got from ur nice little quote was that using saves for something is not good. Which as implied by u.

[KilluhKam]

I cant be the only person who thinks this is lame as shit? If youre cheating to get them then what the hell is the point? No youre not hurting people by doing it but its defeating the purpose. They are called achievements, why? Because you get them for achieving something whether that be because of the time you put into a game or because you have the skills to do what was required. I also find it ridiculous that you ask people to keep their opinions to themselves. Why post something here then? The only way youre going to prevent people from giving their opinion is by not giving them something to give an opinion on. I dont think you should be banned but I definitely think you shouldnt be on the leaderboards, why should you? You didnt do anything to earn it.


so your saiyang that g4m3r7ag shouldnt be admin? because he also uses game saves and if blitz should be tooken off the leaderboard then your also saiyang that g4m3r7ag shouldnt be admin which is bogus of you to say

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

ok scratch that....feel free to post opinions

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I cant be the only person who thinks this is lame as shit? If youre cheating to get them then what the hell is the point? No youre not hurting people by doing it but its defeating the purpose. They are called achievements, why? Because you get them for achieving something whether that be because of the time you put into a game or because you have the skills to do what was required. I also find it ridiculous that you ask people to keep their opinions to themselves. Why post something here then? The only way youre going to prevent people from giving their opinion is by not giving them something to give an opinion on. I dont think you should be banned but I definitely think you shouldnt be on the leaderboards, why should you? You didnt do anything to earn it.

so if u get achievements for achieveing something no matter how u do it(what u said) then y does it matter if i load a save an finish a race on RR6 and get achievements, after all i did "achieve it"

[Mr Arrow]

Yeah i get it jackass, but what i got from ur nice little quote was that using saves for something is not good. Which as implied by u.

OK - - I'm not sure where you got that, but oh well.

...moving on.....

[g4m3r7ag]

he does have a point, only a fraction of the games out there will work with saves, and none of the arcade games do. and you know what xfranco, i bet when the developers see, that we can go into a private chat with someone, and get matched in a ranked match with them, to get achievements, they feel cheated. so its the same damn thing, as using saves. you do absolutly nothing but watch your friend quit out of the game. and then guess what, he or she watches you quit out of the game.

[xfrancox]

so your saiyang that g4m3r7ag shouldnt be admin? because he also uses game saves and if blitz should be tooken off the leaderboard then your also saiyang that g4m3r7ag shouldnt be admin which is bogus of you to say

When did I say anything about someone not being admin? Using saved games has nothing to do with being an admin, although I will say that it looks bad for someone to be in charge of an achievement site who cheats to get them. Why is it bogus to take someone off a leaderboard because they didnt earn all the points they have? I think thats completely logical.

And for the record, tooken is not a word.

didnt do anything to earn it, yeah right. I was up in the leaderboards b4 i used them. Then i figured if everyone is using them y shouldnt? And just so ya knoe u cant use them for half the games out there.

I think the better question is why should you? What do you stand to gain? And youre right, I wouldnt have the slightest clue which games have saves available, or where to get them anyway. Why? Because I dont cheat.

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I think the better question is why should you? What do you stand to gain? And youre right, I wouldnt have the slightest clue which games have saves available, or where to get them anyway. Why? Because I dont cheat.

i should bcuz i can, i stand to gain a place in the top of the leaderboards. If u dont like it thats fine.

[KilluhKam]

When did I say anything about someone not being admin? Using saved games has nothing to do with being an admin, although I will say that it looks bad for someone to be in charge of an achievement site who cheats to get them. Why is it bogus to take someone off a leaderboard because they didnt earn all the points they have? I think thats completely logical.

And for the record, tooken is not a word.



I think the better question is why should you? What do you stand to gain? And youre right, I wouldnt have the slightest clue which games have saves available, or where to get them anyway. Why? Because I dont cheat.

i diddnt say its bogus about you saiyan he needs to be tooken off the leader board its bogus you said that because it also implies about g4m3r7ag being admin and cheating which is BOGUS because he is a good admin in my opnion and for the record i dont give a fuck if tooken aint a word ill say what i want got that?

[Krazie]

Wow, I seriously think I've created a rebellion on this website by pointing out that gam3r7ag uses game saves

Clearly not my intention..

Microsoft needs to take action against this before it completely ruins their achievement system tho, such a great idea is going right down the tubes

[xfrancox]

i should bcuz i can, i stand to gain a place in the top of the leaderboards. If u dont like it thats fine.

I dont understand though. You cant possibly feel accomplished of cheating your way to the top? What use is being at the top if you dont deserve to be there? And if its just a game and means nothing, why is it important for you to be at the top?

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I dont understand though. You cant possibly feel accomplished of cheating your way to the top? What use is being at the top if you dont deserve to be there? And if its just a game and means nothing, why is it important for you to be at the top?

I do feel accomplished, bcuz the way i see it... everyone else up there is just like me, they all use the same things, so that puts us all in the same place.

[xfrancox]

Microsoft needs to take action against this before it completely ruins their achievement system tho, such a great idea is going right down the tubes

Exactly! What makes me upset is that some of the people putting such an innovative idea down the tube, are people going to a site that is made solely on this achievement system. A site that was made because its such a good idea that we want to come here and talk about it! It doesnt make any sense!


i diddnt say its bogus about you saiyan he needs to be tooken off the leader board its bogus you said that because it also implies about g4m3r7ag being admin and cheating which is BOGUS because he is a good admin in my opnion and for the record i dont give a fuck if tooken aint a word ill say what i want got that?

First off, I already stated that using saved games has no affect on someones ability to run a website or be a good admin. Also, because he is an admin doesnt change the fact that what he is doing is cheating. A cheater, admin or not, doesnt deserve to be on a leaderboard.

Also I find it depressing that someone so young can identify his ignorance, but choose not to do anything about it. I guess thats just what makes you the, "realest". Got that?

[Sarge McLarge]

I do feel accomplished, bcuz the way i see it... everyone else up there is just like me, they all use the same things, so that puts us all in the same place.

What about the people who don't use saved games, do you think its fair for you to be on the same leaderboards as they are?

[DaveWilma07]

What about the people who don't use saved games, do you think its fair for you to be on the same leaderboards as they are?

not overly, no. But to be honest I dont care enough to warrant much attention! :Bounce:

[mrfunky14]

i agree with franco on this one. to blitz - in my opinion the minute you use the ur first gamesave to unlock an achievement, you are ruining all of your past achievements. why? because if people know that u use saves, theyre not gonna give a crap what stuff was legit and not legit, theyre just gonna see you as fraud. i am one of those people.

also, using game saves seems like it ruins the entire fun of gaining acheivements. the feeling of unlokcing an achievement youve been working on for a week is what the entire system is about - for me atleast. when you cheat youre losing that feeling for half the games, and diminishing it for the rest.

bloody - chill out with the tooken

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

What about the people who don't use saved games, do you think its fair for you to be on the same leaderboards as they are?

well, im not gonna say yes, but the enhacekments r out there and if u dont wanna use them its up 2 u

[KilluhKam]

First off, I already stated that using saved games has no affect on someones ability to run a website or be a good admin. Also, because he is an admin doesnt change the fact that what he is doing is cheating. A cheater, admin or not, doesnt deserve to be on a leaderboard.

Also I find it depressing that someone so young can identify his ignorance, but choose not to do anything about it. I guess thats just what makes you the, "realest". Got that?

wow your bringing up old shit. my sig. if from a song its called southside da realest. my sig. is a part of the song, my sig. has nothin 2 do with me its frum a song i like. now that we got that cleared up wtf does age have 2 do with anything? ur just mad becuz sum1 younger then u is right and your wrong its not my fault thats just how it is becuz i dont care if its not a word i can say what i want becuz its suppose 2 b a "free country" and it has nothing to do with him running a site and cheating is cheating yeah but so what? b4 the xbox 360 i use to cheat on EVERY game becuz 4 me cheats make the game funner and no i dont care what u think about my cheating its what i do ive always been a cheater ever since PSX my cuz. got me into it and ever since then i cheat espically in GTA games. what my point is is so what if sum1 cheats? if your not cheating then shut the fuck up about it and yeah i will use game saves as soon as i get my new xbox 360 and yet again i dont care what u think of it. so please go shut your depressed ass up so no one else has to put up with ur stupid shit

[xfrancox]

well, im not gonna say yes, but the enhacekments r out there and if u dont wanna use them its up 2 u

That logic is severely flawed. Just because something is available does not make it alright to use.

Of course you could just go play professional baseball, I hear steroids make it a lot easier to be on top.

[KilluhKam]

i agree with franco on this one. to blitz - in my opinion the minute you use the ur first gamesave to unlock an achievement, you are ruining all of your past achievements. why? because if people know that u use saves, theyre not gonna give a crap what stuff was legit and not legit, theyre just gonna see you as fraud. i am one of those people.

also, using game saves seems like it ruins the entire fun of gaining acheivements. the feeling of unlokcing an achievement youve been working on for a week is what the entire system is about - for me atleast. when you cheat youre losing that feeling for half the games, and diminishing it for the rest.

bloody - chill out with the tooken

to me using game saves and getting achievements that way is just as good as getting them the old fashioned way..this is the future ppl can use other ppl's game saves to get achievemnts and ppl will thats how i see it

[DaveWilma07]

That logic is severely flawed. Just because something is available does not make it alright to use.

Of course you could just go play professional baseball, I hear steroids make it a lot easier to be on top.

Pwned! lol .. Nice point.

[xfrancox]

wow your bringing up old shit. my sig. if from a song its called southside da realest. my sig. is a part of the song, my sig. has nothin 2 do with me its frum a song i like. now that we got that cleared up wtf does age have 2 do with anything? ur just mad becuz sum1 younger then u is right and your wrong its not my fault thats just how it is becuz i dont care if its not a word i can say what i want becuz its suppose 2 b a "free country" and it has nothing to do with him running a site and cheating is cheating yeah but so what? b4 the xbox 360 i use to cheat on EVERY game becuz 4 me cheats make the game funner and no i dont care what u think about my cheating its what i do ive always been a cheater ever since PSX my cuz. got me into it and ever since then i cheat espically in GTA games. what my point is is so what if sum1 cheats? if your not cheating then shut the fuck up about it and yeah i will use game saves as soon as i get my new xbox 360 and yet again i dont care what u think of it. so please go shut your depressed ass up so no one else has to put up with ur stupid shit

Go to bed, Im done debating with you. The problem with arguing with an idiot is that people watching cant tell the difference. I will not have that happen with me.

[KilluhKam]

Go to bed, Im done debating with you. The problem with arguing with an idiot is that people watching cant tell the difference. I will not have that happen with me.

yeah ppl can see the difference and im done debating with u also ur just a waste of my time and im done wasting my time on u

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

i agree with franco on this one. to blitz - in my opinion the minute you use the ur first gamesave to unlock an achievement, you are ruining all of your past achievements. why? because if people know that u use saves, theyre not gonna give a crap what stuff was legit and not legit, theyre just gonna see you as fraud. i am one of those people.

also, using game saves seems like it ruins the entire fun of gaining acheivements. the feeling of unlokcing an achievement youve been working on for a week is what the entire system is about - for me atleast. when you cheat youre losing that feeling for half the games, and diminishing it for the rest.

bloody - chill out with the tooken

That's ur opinion...me, i dont really like many of the games for the 360 so im glad i dont find myself doing sumthing i dont enjoy for an achievement. I can now play the games i want to play for fun.

[DaveWilma07]

To play games solely for achievements is a sad day indeed. I mean, isnt gaming all about having fun?

(Rents Barbie's next adventure for that next 1000 GP)

[KilluhKam]

That's ur opinion...me, i dont really like many of the games for the 360 so im glad i dont find myself doing sumthing i dont enjoy for an achievement. I can now play the games i want to play for fun.

Exactly most the games i have 0 GS in are games i hate like the soccer games NHL king kong i hate those games so i have no GS in them but now i will have full GS in them once i use these gamesaves i got on my computer

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

That logic is severely flawed. Just because something is available does not make it alright to use.

Of course you could just go play professional baseball, I hear steroids make it a lot easier to be on top.

not flawed at all, actually if ur so smart wrap ur head around this...i never said it was ok, i said if everyone else is doing it and u do it too...then that would bring u all to the same level. Basicly back to where u should be. Oh and i do believe if steroids did not damage ur body and werent illegal everyone would use them!

[DaveWilma07]

Quite an interesting little debate going on here... :Bounce: crack on lads, crack on.

[DaKing240]

That logic is severely flawed. Just because something is available does not make it alright to use.

Of course you could just go play professional baseball, I hear steroids make it a lot easier to be on top.

Sorry, I am late, but thank God someone else agrees with me. I think that the other side doesn't really have any valid point, and it pains me to say that I really lost a lot of respect for GamerTag and the people who are using the Game Saves. It is flat out cheating, and for what purpose, I still do not understand.

Damage Control as in save the site by erasing any thread even mentioning Game Save, and erasing any GamerTags from known cheaters. That is just to start, and thats my personal opinion.

[xfrancox]

What it all boils down to is that cheaters will be cheaters. And what do cheaters do? Make excuses to try and justify their actions. I suppose if you think hard enough you can convince yourself just about anything is acceptable and right. The problem with this is that the only people youre really convincing are yourself, and other cheaters.

[DaKing240]

Steroids - Unfair advantage

Game Saves - Unfair advantage

Scary isn't it?

[KilluhKam]

lol sorry but i dont make excuses to justify my actions im a cheater always have been and dont plan on changing now and i dont convince myself that everything is right and acceptable and as far as respect goes i dont care if any1 respects me if they dont want to they dont have to not a big deal at all and as far as cheating goes...if cheating is so wrong...then why do some games have the cheats UNLOCKABLE if cheating is wrong then they shouldnt make them unlockable like the outfit and all the games that have them unlockable....even if theyre unlockable after u beat the game...y would it matter? if cheating is so wrong then they wouldnt do that even if its after you beat the game becuase it would simply be wrong

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

What it all boils down to is that cheaters will be cheaters. And what do cheaters do? Make excuses to try and justify their actions. I suppose if you think hard enough you can convince yourself just about anything is acceptable and right. The problem with this is that the only people youre really convincing are yourself, and other cheaters.

same goes to u...the only ppl u convice other than urselves are other non-cheaters. And why do u get to make the rules that cheating is wrong? Who made u guys in charge? Nobody. What it all boils down to is that theirs no right or wrong....and we could argue for days about this but it will get us nowhere. We as cheaters are open minded to diffrent ways of doing things...but ppl like u r thick headed.

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

Steroids - Unfair advantage

Game Saves - Unfair advantage

Scary isn't it?

y is that scary? There has been, is, and always will be unfair advantages. The ppl that choose to use them will stay ahead and the ppl that dont wil fall behind, thats life. Let me tell u something my mother told to me when i was 5 "Life Isn't Fair!"

[xfrancox]

same goes to u...the only ppl u convice other than urselves are other non-cheaters. And why do u get to make the rules that cheating is wrong? Who made u guys in charge? Nobody. What it all boils down to is that theirs no right or wrong....and we could argue for days about this but it will get us nowhere. We as cheaters are open minded to diffrent ways of doing things...but ppl like u r thick headed.

hmmm....

cheater
1. a person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage.

Apparently the Oxford American Dictionary says its wrong. And forgive me for not taking the time to look, but Im sure that Microsoft states somewhere, that cheating is wrong. So... those are my sources, Im interested to see where you are going to find something that says cheating is anything other than wrong. Maybe G4TV's show Cheat! has your back, but they might be asleep right now.

[KilluhKam]

im sorry to tell u this but no1 gives a fuck about a dictionary except for nerds normal ppl dont read them like myself and its like blitz said...lift isnt fair get ust 2 it

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

hmmm....

cheater
1. a person who acts dishonestly in order to gain an advantage.

Apparently the Oxford American Dictionary says its wrong. And forgive me for not taking the time to look, but Im sure that Microsoft states somewhere, that cheating is wrong. So... those are my sources, Im interested to see where you are going to find something that says cheating is anything other than wrong. Maybe G4TV's show Cheat! has your back, but they might be asleep right now.

ur missing the point, i never said ppl said cheating wasnt wrong. I asked y do the noncheaters get to decide that it is wrong.

[xfrancox]

im sorry to tell u this but no1 gives a fuck about a dictionary except for nerds normal ppl dont read them like myself and its like blitz said...lift isnt fair get ust 2 it

Oh trust me you dont need to convince me that you dont use a dictionary, I believe you.

[KilluhKam]

i type like this bcuz its easier then typing out a whole word when i write i dont write like this its only when i type on the computer sorry

[g4m3r7ag]

what half of you who are opposed to gamesaves because its cheating fail to recgonize, is that you have cheated to get achievements to. we just did it a different way then you did. if you could get that point through your thick skulls you would realize this is all pointless, but until you do, this goes on in my opinion. i want to see how long it takes for you guys to get out of denial and accept that you have cheated for achievements too.

also the oxford dictionary doesnt say its wrong, nowhere does it say acting dishonestly is wrong, and nowhere does it say that gaining an unfair advantage is wrong, it is unfair, but nothing mentioned about it being wrong. like blitz said, life isn't fair.

[xfrancox]

ur missing the point, i never said ppl said cheating wasnt wrong. I asked y do the noncheaters get to decide that it is wrong.

Well thats just the privelege of being honest. The dishonest dont get to make the rules, they just get to suffer the consequences. After all your mother said it best, "Life isnt fair!"

[KilluhKam]

ok now were getting into real life situations here in real life neither one makes the rules god did he made all the rules before everyone on this board were alive. cheating in video games dosnt mean that your a dishonest person in real life it just means u cheat in video games.

[g4m3r7ag]

very well put

[xfrancox]

what half of you who are opposed to gamesaves because its cheating fail to recgonize, is that you have cheated to get achievements to. we just did it a different way then you did. if you could get that point through your thick skulls you would realize this is all pointless, but until you do, this goes on in my opinion. i want to see how long it takes for you guys to get out of denial and accept that you have cheated for achievements too.

also the oxford dictionary doesnt say its wrong, nowhere does it say acting dishonestly is wrong, and nowhere does it say that gaining an unfair advantage is wrong, it is unfair, but nothing mentioned about it being wrong. like blitz said, life isn't fair.

Ohhhhh, im sorry, so close. That is incorrect. Good try though.

wrong
1. not correct or true
2. unjust, dishonest, or immoral

Also, I do not cheat to get my achievements. I (gasp!), play the game.

[xfrancox]

ok now were getting into real life situations here in real life neither one makes the rules god did he made all the rules before everyone on this board were alive. cheating in video games dosnt mean that your a dishonest person in real life it just means u cheat in video games.

You cant be serious? After your constant profanity and insults you want to come on here and drop Gods name? Now that I find insulting, you have no right to use God as your last resort in an arguement you are losing. How can you have the audacity to suggest that you follow God's rules as you sit here and act like anything but a representative of God? Because of my beliefs I can say you are right, God does make the rules. And I can tell you without a doubt no matter what God you are talking about, dishonesty is NOT acceptable. Cheating in a video game does not make you a horrible person and I never claimed that, but I do believe that all things start small.

[g4m3r7ag]

ok so i was wrong about the wrong thing.

so your telling me you are one of the few people on this site that (gasp!) didn't pair up with someone to get an online achievement!

im pretty sure a game developer for the 360 will tell you that pairing up with a friend in an online lobby to get an achievement is not how they intended for the acheivement to be unlocked. nor did they intend for a gamesave to be used to unlock an achievement. both are cheating.

and like i said in the other thread, if microsoft never intended for it to happen, or did not want it to happen, they would have never signed off on datel's transfer kit.

[KilluhKam]

You cant be serious? After your constant profanity and insults you want to come on here and drop Gods name? Now that I find insulting, you have no right to use God as your last resort in an arguement you are losing. How can you have the audacity to suggest that you follow God's rules as you sit here and act like anything but a representative of God? Because of my beliefs I can say you are right, God does make the rules. And I can tell you without a doubt no matter what God you are talking about, dishonesty is NOT acceptable. Cheating in a video game does not make you a horrible person and I never claimed that, but I do believe that all things start small.

yeah ill say god all i want god god god man am i going to hell now?
and yes i cuss all the time all day everyday not a big deal

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

Ohhhhh, im sorry, so close. That is incorrect. Good try though.

wrong
1. not correct or true
2. unjust, dishonest, or immoral

Also, I do not cheat to get my achievements. I (gasp!), play the game.

thats probably y ur score is so low ;)

[xfrancox]

so your telling me you are one of the few people on this site that (gasp!) didn't pair up with someone to get an online achievement!

I have paired up with one person from this board, and we actually played the game. So yes, I suppose I am one of the few people on this site. Thank you.

thats probably y ur score is so low

Ouch, I suppose I prefer quality over quantity.

[KilluhKam]

I have paired up with one person from this board, and we actually played the game. So yes, I suppose I am one of the few people on this site. Thank you.

key words "from this board"

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I have paired up with one person from this board, and we actually played the game. So yes, I suppose I am one of the few people on this site. Thank you.



Ouch, I suppose I prefer quality over quantity.

Thats bullshit no way i believe u...hey isnt it a sin to lie?

[xfrancox]

Thats bullshit no way i believe u...hey isnt it a sin to lie?

Fortunantly it doesnt matter whether or not you think Im lying or not. The only person off X360A Ive actually played online with is Snafgeeza. Is sinning a lie? Yes. Am I lying? No. And as a christian Im not afraid to say that I dont believe there is a single person who is without sin. The difference here is that I have never used God as a means to get ahead in a situation on this forum. And would never think to, I have more respect than that.

[KilluhKam]

Fortunantly it doesnt matter whether or not you think Im lying or not. The only person off X360A Ive actually played online with is Snafgeeza. Is sinning a lie? Yes. Am I lying? No. And as a christian Im not afraid to say that I dont believe there is a single person who is without sin. The difference here is that I have never used God as a means to get ahead in a situation on this forum. And would never think to, I have more respect than that.

woah woah woah i diddnt say "god" 2 get ahead of shit im telling the truth god made the rules y the fuck would i use god 2 pull ahead of something? i wouldnt i was stating the truth

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

Fortunantly it doesnt matter whether or not you think Im lying or not. The only person off X360A Ive actually played online with is Snafgeeza. Is sinning a lie? Yes. Am I lying? No. And as a christian Im not afraid to say that I dont believe there is a single person who is without sin. The difference here is that I have never used God as a means to get ahead in a situation on this forum. And would never think to, I have more respect than that.

ok i really dont want to get into religion....but i do not believ that uve never cheated

[mrfunky14]

its funny to watch what people say when they dont step back and acutally think about what theyre saying.

killuh and blitz - you guys are trying to justify cheating. i want you to forget everything youve posted so far up to this point and just re read that real quick.

you are trying to justify cheating.

think about it

[Krazie]

Stop comparing doing online achievements with a partner and using gamesaves

Granted, both of them are cheating and dishonest, and if other people weren't cheating for online achievements, i wouldnt be either, but it still takes a lot of effort and time for a lot of those achievements to get done

Using a game save is using somebody else's work and not playing the game AT ALL..

[g4m3r7ag]

Stop comparing doing online achievements with a partner and using gamesaves

Granted, both of them are cheating and dishonest, and if other people weren't cheating for online achievements, i wouldnt be either, but it still takes a lot of effort and time for a lot of those achievements to get done

Using a game save is using somebody else's work and not playing the game AT ALL..

your finally starting to accept the truth, ok i can see time, but effort no, it doesnt take a whole lot of effort to sit in a game while the other person presses quit so that you get a win, eventually leading up to an achievement. so i, and many others for that matter, said screw wasting time, especially out of my summer vacation, and used a save, same goal, same result, both cheating, both dishonest. ones just quicker, and im not one who likes to waste time when i dont have to. so if you like wasting your time, be my guest, waste your time, i however will not.

[Psycence]

Fucking hell...this is all getting a bit over the top people.

Chill out!

I personally dont use gamesaves or boosting with other people to get my achievements but if you want to thats fine.

At the end of the day no matter how you get your gamerscores, so long as your happy with the score you have and how you've earnt it, then what business is it of anyone elses?

[P1NSEEKER]

im sorry to tell u this but no1 gives a fuck about a dictionary except for nerds normal ppl dont read them like myself and its like blitz said...lift isnt fair get ust 2 it

Lmfao this made me laugh a lot!

On topic: I would post my opinion on this matter but franco has hit the nail right on the head with everyone of his posts.

:uzi: Cheaters

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

its funny to watch what people say when they dont step back and acutally think about what theyre saying.

killuh and blitz - you guys are trying to justify cheating. i want you to forget everything youve posted so far up to this point and just re read that real quick.

you are trying to justify cheating.

think about it

no im trying to justify that it is neither wrong nor right and that everyone has their own opinions, and im also tryign to justify that cheating doesnt make me a bad perosn

[KilluhKam]

your finally starting to accept the truth, ok i can see time, but effort no, it doesnt take a whole lot of effort to sit in a game while the other person presses quit so that you get a win, eventually leading up to an achievement. so i, and many others for that matter, said screw wasting time, especially out of my summer vacation, and used a save, same goal, same result, both cheating, both dishonest. ones just quicker, and im not one who likes to waste time when i dont have to. so if you like wasting your time, be my guest, waste your time, i however will not.

yeah im not up for wasting my time either well put g4m3r7ag

[KilluhKam]

no im trying to justify that it is neither wrong nor right and that everyone has their own opinions, and im also tryign to justify that cheating doesnt make me a bad perosn

i agree with you as well blitz

[CSKX27]

Well.. Here i am to justify my reasoning. Franco ur right we are cheating. Is it bad yes and no its what you believe but the point is lets step back what r we arguing over... Video GAMEs. yeah there to be played for fun but guys this is ridiculous ur bringing up GOD. thats not right. I feel that Gamertag, blitz, bloody death and i have a right to justify this because we were all once ranked high on the leaderboards and were out numbered by cheaters. I really dnt care what other people think about me. I dnt think i should be judged on how i play a video game. thats not right i dnt cheat my way the=rough life because i cant im just trying to get to a point that i was once at and stay there. Not be overrun by cheaters. Blitz is a great guy and so is bloody gamertag is awsome too he may not remember but we played GRAW togther a few times. but the leaderboards should be ranked on the quality of how the gamer is not how much do called "skill" he has. That dsnt have anything to do with it. ST the King deserves his spot not just cause he has Skill but because hes dedicated and a good guy. like Blitz said for me ST has skipped out on food and sleep to get achievements thats not good. There is no hard achievement its just how much time u have to dedicate to getting it. What sux now is even if u do get to the top 10 u will be accused of cheating by someone somewhere no matter who u are. These are games people. Im really sorry if anyone is offended with what i might have said but Franco ur arguing a one sided point we all agree. Cheating MAY not be right but ur making a huge deal about it. if u can look at ur GS and say wow i did that without cheating then good for u thats awsome. But if i can look at my GS and say i did that but i cheated for that then im allowed to feel that way. Seriously everyone its a big deal about nothing.

[P1NSEEKER]

:bow: He is here, the almighty CSKX27, for truly this is a wonderous day indeed that our humble forums be graced by his ethereal presence:bow:

[CSKX27]

:bow: He is here, the almighty CSKX27, for truly this is a wonderous day indeed that our humble forums be graced by his ethereal presence:bow:
Seriously i dnt know why ur being immature about this...:(

[P1NSEEKER]

Because you guys seem to think that your the gaming messiah "hey check me out im at the top of the leaderboard" when not only do we not care, but your now admitting that you cheated your way up there!

[CSKX27]

Also I find it depressing that someone so young can identify his ignorance, but choose not to do anything about it. I guess thats just what makes you the, "realest". Got that?[/quote]

Franco ur insulting Blitz his age has nothing to do with it he is defending an idea that he believes.
So i had to
ignorant
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified

b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence

Heres ur buddy websters definition of it.

Blitz never said cheating is right and he wont because he dsnt think that. So hes not lacking inteligence but still im not trying to insult u but u are being very stubborn to the fact of all of this because ur keeping the conversation going. So be the bigger man and ignore it same with everyone else who dissagrees with us.

[CSKX27]

Because you guys seem to think that your the gaming messiah "hey check me out im at the top of the leaderboard" when not only do we not care, but your now admitting that you cheated your way up there!
I dnt think that at all we were once there and were cheated out of our ranks and we want it back. Thats all. u dnt have be immature. And ive not said that im better than anyone because im up there, or was up there.

[Tron]

As the only Erton on this site, i would let all my little ertonmaniacs know that franco speaks the truth. his word is considered truth in my book for the rest of my existence on this site... Blitz your an idiot...so sayeth sir ertonious of akronia... using game saves is the equivalent of finishing a puzzle by only putting in the last piece... and on a life moment note... there is no game saves for life, you actually have to work for your life achievements, have fun with that gem

in my honest opinion you are just trying to stir shit up...maybe dad doesnt pay enough attention, or mom is never home, either way no one really gives a shit if you take the easy road, but dont expect any amount of respect from the Republic of Erton...

dont justify being a turd samwich, in the end, your just a turd smooshed between bread...

write that down.

[cotteneyekeith]

so what is game save then?

is it a freind signing in on your profile b4 they save or what?:confused:

[Tron]

its the point in your life when you realize you arent as good at video gaming as you tell your friends you are, and then you justify yourself as an uber haxorz and use a game save from someone else, that is just a few seconds away from an achievement...

ie.. 49 challenges on FIFA for the 5 hundo ach... you just load the save, finish the last one and you get the achievement..

[P1NSEEKER]

As the only Erton on this site, i would let all my little ertonmaniacs know that franco speaks the truth. his word is considered truth in my book for the rest of my existence on this site... Blitz your an idiot...so sayeth sir ertonious of akronia... using game saves is the equivalent of finishing a puzzle by only putting in the last piece... and on a life moment note... there is no game saves for life, you actually have to work for your life achievements, have fun with that gem

in my honest opinion you are just trying to stir shit up...maybe dad doesnt pay enough attention, or mom is never home, either way no one really gives a shit if you take the easy road, but dont expect any amount of respect from the Republic of Erton...

dont justify being a turd samwich, in the end, your just a turd smooshed between bread...

write that down.
In my position as a fully paid up ertonmaniac let me just say:

1. :nana PWNED:nana

2.:woop: TESTIFY!:woop:

[xfrancox]

Franco ur insulting Blitz his age has nothing to do with it he is defending an idea that he believes.
So i had to
ignorant
Function: adjective
1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified

b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence

Heres ur buddy websters definition of it.

Blitz never said cheating is right and he wont because he dsnt think that. So hes not lacking inteligence but still im not trying to insult u but u are being very stubborn to the fact of all of this because ur keeping the conversation going. So be the bigger man and ignore it same with everyone else who dissagrees with us.





Ok, you know that wasnt directed at Blitz, I dont even know how old he is. That was directed at Killuhwhatever. I was commenting on the fact that he was using a made up word and knew it was wrong, but decided to just use it anyway because he is the realest. I said something about his age because I found it worth mentioning that someone so young, is growing up with such a poor attitude towards correctly using his primary language. But I thought all of this was obvious.

And yes, I am damn stubborn.

[xfrancox]

Fucking hell...this is all getting a bit over the top people.

Chill out!

I personally dont use gamesaves or boosting with other people to get my achievements but if you want to thats fine.

At the end of the day no matter how you get your gamerscores, so long as your happy with the score you have and how you've earnt it, then what business is it of anyone elses?

Honestly, I dont care if someone cheats for themselves. Its when they submit themselves to a leaderboard and then cheat to get to the top. Thats dishonest and shouldnt be tolerated. Youre right, its no one elses business, that is of course until you stop doing it privately for your own satisfaction and start affecting other people.

this is ridiculous ur bringing up GOD. thats not right.

I couldnt agree with you more, which is why I didnt bring God up. That was your buddy.

[Tron]

THE FRANCO HAS SPOKEN

HEED!

--proud member of the francomaniacs.

[xfrancox]

THE FRANCO HAS SPOKEN

HEED!

--proud member of the francomaniacs.

Hahahaha, francomaniacs. Too funny.

[snafegeeza]

I will also join the francomatics.

These guys are assholes, completely and utterly pathetic. They play on live, accept all the complements and plaudits about having a high gamerscore. Brag to thier pals that they are so fucking awsome at games. When really they are sad little people and have no fucking respect for this magnificent games console that we all obtain. They have managed to drag the 360 back down to the level of the origional xbox and now all the 360 has in its favour is the improvement in graphics.

Kryptonite- cut the excuses you sound like a school boy trying to justify your bad behavior.

Killakam - you are also an asshole and will be removing you from my list asap - lost all respect for you. Learn to type properly too, retard.

GT- I would have expected better from you, and hope routine can do somthing about this disease spreading through the forum.

I will campaign to get anyone who uses saves to be banned, If this does not happen I certainly wont be using this forum no more.:mad:

[Tron]

[HOGAN] WHATCHA GONNA DO?! WHEN FRANCOMANIACS RUN WILD ON YOU! [HOGAN]
http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h312/ertonious/franco.jpg

[P1NSEEKER]

Lmao! "Check out these guns!"

[xfrancox]

Ahhhhh hahahahahahahahahahaha, oh man. You win my personal award of best post ever. Today is going to be a good day. Wow.

:bow:

[Helacool360]

Ahhhhh hahahahahahahahahahaha, oh man. You win my personal award of best post ever. Today is going to be a good day. Wow.

:bow:

Hell you get my award also, that was funny:p

[CSKX27]

I will also join the francomatics.

These guys are assholes, completely and utterly pathetic. They play on live, accept all the complements and plaudits about having a high gamerscore. Brag to thier pals that they are so fucking awsome at games. When really they are sad little people and have no fucking respect for this magnificent games console that we all obtain. They have managed to drag the 360 back down to the level of the origional xbox and now all the 360 has in its favour is the improvement in graphics.

Kryptonite- cut the excuses you sound like a school boy trying to justify your bad behavior.

Killakam - you are also an asshole and will be removing you from my list asap - lost all respect for you. Learn to type properly too, retard.

GT- I would have expected better from you, and hope routine can do somthing about this disease spreading through the forum.

I will campaign to get anyone who uses saves to be banned, If this does not happen I certainly wont be using this forum no more.:mad:

Assholes? Thars Harsh man seriouslwere not prancing around saying were better than everyone. Just to give u an example once Bliitz woke up the day after getting his 25 rank he had 12 Friend Requests. He dsnt want that its gratifying for himself and if he or i or Bloody decides to use saves thats our descsion. Scum u really cant get in to the name game either thats low. If u guys are so much better than us "cheaters" u would leave it alone and ignore it, and say ur better than that. but obviously this arguement wnt stop. Franco not all of my post was directed to u. I didnt blame the god thing on u sry if that came out wrong. And Erton? Cheating through life? Come on Get real dude, like i said comparing games to what i do in real life ok?
snafegeeza (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/member.php?u=810) U cant be mature about this and the name calling makes u so much better than us because seriously we could go at all day but it wouldnt do anything.

[CSKX27]

the Main Reason Blitz Posted This Was To Let People Know That He Was Cheating Because Everyone Was Asking!!!!!! Not To Say
"look At Me Im On The Leaderboards"

[DaKing240]

The main reason he posted it was because every single person knew he was a cheater, and for whatever reason, he thought he would win over the support of the forum for being a cheater. Sorry, that is not going to work.

Nice picture Erton and I have been a fan of Franco's post, especially when he voiced his opinion on this matter.

[Webb]

ok now were getting into real life situations here in real life neither one makes the rules god did he made all the rules before everyone on this board were alive. cheating in video games dosnt mean that your a dishonest person in real life it just means u cheat in video games.
Of course cheating in video games makes you a dishonest person. Stop being so naive or trying to kid yourself!

EDIT: There is also a direct correlation between cheaters and age! Shows the effect of lack of discipline is having on kids!!!!

[CSKX27]

Of course cheating in video games makes you a dishonest person. Stop being so naive or trying to kid yourself!

EDIT: There is also a direct correlation between cheaters and age! Shows the effect of lack of discipline is having on kids!!!!
um no im not dishonest because im telling everyone i do and futhermore im not nieve because im not at the top saying im better than all of u and i dont cheat. thats dishonesty.

[Webb]

Suppose. Dishonest may not be the right word.

How about...


Untrustworthy
ImmoralNaive - yes you may be. Because you think that because someone else cheats, you thinks it's ok to. You must be naive to think that you saying that cheating is ok would be accepted.

I'm interested to see the age of these cheaters and where they are from. Please post.

[CSKX27]

Age and Cheating what the hell are u talkin about. Obviously u guys: Grown men cant get it through ur head that its a fuckin game. Ur being immiture about it by puting us down and calling everyone names why dnt u be a mature adult like u say u are and walk away from this all instead of contueing to defend something we all agree with. again im stating that this is a one sided battle we know were cheating and we Know its unfair.

[Webb]

Age and Cheating what the hell are u talkin about. Obviously u guys: Grown men cant get it through ur head that its a fuckin game. Ur being immiture about it by puting us down and calling everyone names why dnt u be a mature adult like u say u are and walk away from this all instead of contueing to defend something we all agree with. again im stating that this is a one sided battle we know were cheating and we Know its unfair.
LOL, i'm only 23 and I was brought up to believe cheating is wrong. Bless my parents for that. I feel sorry for you. Cheating in a game is a reflection of character.

We all agree with? What, about 3 of you? LOL And your all under 15 I bet!

[CSKX27]

Webbmiester im not saying its ok to do. And since u think its rellivent I personally am 19. In school and working where im from is of no importance.

[Webb]

Webbmiester im not saying its ok to do. And since u think its rellivent I personally am 19. In school and working where im from is of no importance.

If your not saying it's ok.... Why do you do it?

[CSKX27]

LOL, i'm only 23 and I was brought up to believe cheating is wrong. Bless my parents for that. I feel sorry for you. Cheating in a game is a reflection of character.

We all agree with? What, about 3 of you? LOL And your all under 15 I bet!
U dnt think i was brought up on cheating is wrong? COme on it has nothing to do with character. I know that the people i like and the people i care about know what kind of person i am. I dnt go to work everyday and clock in and then go home just to come back clock out and get payed to sit on my ass. What the hell come on!!!!! I dnt understand why everyone has to argue about this and bring up irreilivant

[CSKX27]

If your not saying it's ok.... Why do you do it?
I was rightfully cheated out of my spot so was Blitz so we feel that we can somewhat not feel so guilty cheating to get our spot back.

[DaKing240]

U dnt think i was brought up on cheating is wrong? COme on it has nothing to do with character. I know that the people i like and the people i care about know what kind of person i am. I dnt go to work everyday and clock in and then go home just to come back clock out and get payed to sit on my ass. What the hell come on!!!!! I dnt understand why everyone has to argue about this and bring up irreilivant

Sorry, I guess I just do not see the point, or the fun in going home from a long day of work to load up a Game Save, and think I have accomplished something when in truth, I haven't done a damn thing.

[DaKing240]

I was rightfully cheated out of my spot so was Blitz so we feel that we can somewhat not feel so guilty cheating to get our spot back.

Then you report the people to Microsoft, and to the people who run the Leaderboards. Now your hands are as dirty as the other cheaters.

[CSKX27]

Sorry, I guess I just do not see the point, or the fun in going home from a long day of work to load up a Game Save, and think I have accomplished something when in truth, I haven't done a damn thing.
u dnt have to just stop giving us grief for it

[DaKing240]

u dnt have to just stop giving us grief for it

Your right, I dont have to just stop...especially when you refuse to believe that what you guys did is

Hypocritical
Stupid
Pointless
and Wrong

[Webb]

I was rightfully cheated out of my spot so was Blitz so we feel that we can somewhat not feel so guilty cheating to get our spot back.

Ha. So you think it's right to cheat to get back to where you were? It's so not!

Thats like saying, that England should score a goal with a hand in the World Cup against Argentina to make up for when they cheated against us. Listen to yourself!

No sense of morals like I said. Don't tell me it's not character cause it so is. He stole my toy and I want it back scenario.

There is no way you will even get me to accept your view cause I had a worthy up bringing where I was instilled with morals! Cheating is wrong full stop. All and I mean all cheaters should be banned! And i'm talking about all areas of life!

[CSKX27]

Your right, I dont have to just stop...especially when you refuse to believe that what you guys did is

Hypocritical
Stupid
Pointless
and Wrong
Hypocritical=Maybe
Stupid=Yes
Pointless=Maybe
Wrong=No
I dont fel that way. 2 wrongs dont make a right but in this case i feel it may

[Webb]

I dont fel that way. 2 wrongs dont make a right but in this case i feel it may

Talk about contradicting yourself!!

You just said something then BUT, how does that work? :rolleyes:

[CSKX27]

Ha. So you think it's right to cheat to get back to where you were? It's so not!

Thats like saying, that England should score a goal with a hand in the World Cup against Argentina to make up for when they cheated against us. Listen to yourself!

No sense of morals like I said. Don't tell me it's not character cause it so is. He stole my toy and I want it back scenario.

There is no way you will even get me to accept your view cause I had a worthy up bringing where I was instilled with morals! Cheating is wrong full stop. All and I mean all cheaters should be banned! And i'm talking about all areas of life!
Ur not getting it i dont want u to accept that what im doing is right. U may think i cheat through all aspects of life. I dont. U may not believe me, thats fine. I know what i do and thats what matters. Obviously u dnt apperciate what u do because u want to scrutinize(sry for spelling) others. Thats where ur in denial, because u cant admit that ur no better then us because ur arguing. I agree its not right but i had a reason for doing it i feel that it was fair to ME.

[DaKing240]

Ur not getting it i dont want u to accept that what im doing is right. U may think i cheat through all aspects of life. I dont. U may not believe me, thats fine. I know what i do and thats what matters. Obviously u dnt apperciate what u do because u want to scrutinize(sry for spelling) others. Thats where ur in denial, because u cant admit that ur no better then us because ur arguing. I agree its not right but i had a reason for doing it i feel that it was fair to ME.

You have got to be kidding me...

[Webb]

LMFAO!!!! I'm in denial! LOL

I'm arguing because I believe in speaking my mind and i'm not gonna let someone do something immoral without me putting them in line!

I can't believe a word you say because a. your a cheater and b. because cheaters ARE immoral.

So, if it's fair to you it's ok? Is that what you are saying?

[CSKX27]

You have got to be kidding me...
Yea ur no better than me because if u were u would wipe ur hands clean of this and walk away but obviously u have to be involved with other people positions and give them crap for it.

[Webb]

Yea ur no better than me because if u were u would wipe ur hands clean of this and walk away but obviously u have to be involved with other people positions and give them crap for it.

If people were just to wipe their hands clean of an immoral action then the world would be a horrible place to live.

CSKX7 - Where u at?

[CSKX27]

LMFAO!!!! I'm in denial! LOL

I'm arguing because I believe in speaking my mind and i'm not gonna let someone do something immoral without me putting them in line!

I can't believe a word you say because a. your a cheater and b. because cheaters ARE immoral.

So, if it's fair to you it's ok? Is that what you are saying?
No its I feel that its ok. the reasons i had i feel were legit im not saying that u need to think it was right. It dsnt have to be ok with anyone else.
IMMORAL? please everyone has diffrent morals, i dnt want to get into religion at all or beliefs so ill leave that alone. Come on its A FUCKIN GAME!!!!

[DaKing240]

Yea ur no better than me because if u were u would wipe ur hands clean of this and walk away but obviously u have to be involved with other people positions and give them crap for it.

I am better then you, because I uphold a different set of values, which doesn't involve cheating, scamming, lying, or doing something that is considered wrong in the face of others. I get respect from others because they realize that I respect them, and respect rules that apply to about anything. Could I cheat on Xbox 360? Yes, but why would I want to ruin my name, and ruin a feature that I enjoy earning fairly.

The only position you hold is being a cheater, and you fail to realize it. I don't deal with cheaters, I don't want anything to do with them. They do not deserve a thing they have earned, and in the real world, those people get no where. When someone cheats in a sport, everything that have "earned" is completely erased when they cheat. Records, win, status, it doesn't mean a damn thing. Last time I checked, the person who puts them into their place does not have "dirty hands" as you describe it. So don't you ever try to talk down to me or any member of this forum, as if you deserve any respect from any person on this forum.

[CSKX27]

If people were just to wipe their hands clean of an immoral action then the world would be a horrible place to live.

CSKX7 - Where u at?
Webbmiester I respect u, Da King everyone but everyone has there own beliefs to what is morral and immoral. Thats what makes this place a a good place to live. Everyone has the right to feel whatever they want. I think u should wipe ur hands clean because i dont understand why u keep this going. Like Franco i too am stubborn most people are. I will stick to my thoughts in this and seriously dont think everyone needs to be involved with what other people think

[Webb]

No its I feel that its ok. the reasons i had i feel were legit im not saying that u need to think it was right. It dsnt have to be ok with anyone else.
IMMORAL? please everyone has diffrent morals, i dnt want to get into religion at all or beliefs so ill leave that alone. Come on its A FUCKIN GAME!!!!

I'm talking social morals, fuck all to do with religion and all that.

I thought cheating was socially unaccepted, oh it is where I live! It must not be where you live!

It's a game? So is football, but how does it make cheating right?

It punishes those who have legitimately got their gamerscore! What gives you the right to punish them?

[CSKX27]

I am better then you, because I uphold a different set of values, which doesn't involve cheating, scamming, lying, or doing something that is considered wrong in the face of others. I get respect from others because they realize that I respect them, and respect rules that apply to about anything. Could I cheat on Xbox 360? Yes, but why would I want to ruin my name, and ruin a feature that I enjoy earning fairly.

The only position you hold is being a cheater, and you fail to realize it. I don't deal with cheaters, I don't want anything to do with them. They do not deserve a thing they have earned, and in the real world, those people get no where. When someone cheats in a sport, everything that have "earned" is completely erased when they cheat. Records, win, status, it doesn't mean a damn thing. Last time I checked, the person who puts them into their place does not have "dirty hands" as you describe it. So don't you ever try to talk down to me or any member of this forum, as if you deserve any respect from any person on this forum.
im not talking down on anyone. Im the one being fucked over. Again were playing video games. I dnt care if u respect me and im sorry u feel that way.

[CSKX27]

I'm talking social morals, fuck all to do with religion and all that.

I thought cheating was socially unaccepted, oh it is where I live! It must not be where you live!

It's a game? So is football, but how does it make cheating right?

It punishes those who have legitimately got their gamerscore! What gives you the right to punish them?
The states dnt accept it, England dsnt either. Socially accepted= no its not.
Again arguing the same point.
WHAT I DID WAS WRONG!!!!!I said that but i feel that i had reasoning to do it. U dnt have to agree with it and i dnt want u to.

[Webb]

The states dnt accept it, England dsnt either. Socially accepted= no its not.
Again arguing the same point.
WHAT I DID WAS WRONG!!!!!I said that but i feel that i had reasoning to do it. U dnt have to agree with it and i dnt want u to.

Hmmmmm, how do I put this nicely?

Well fuck off then.

What is the point of posting in this thread then. What do you want!?!?!?!?!?

[KilluhKam]

Ok, you know that wasnt directed at Blitz, I dont even know how old he is. That was directed at Killuhwhatever. I was commenting on the fact that he was using a made up word and knew it was wrong, but decided to just use it anyway because he is the realest. I said something about his age because I found it worth mentioning that someone so young, is growing up with such a poor attitude towards correctly using his primary language. But I thought all of this was obvious.

And yes, I am damn stubborn.

when did i make a post stating "i am the realest?" i dont ever recall making a post like that and i dont TYPE full words WRITING is a different story when it comes 2 computers i dont like 2 waste my time and type a full word when i can shorten them if u dont like it fine i dont care just get off my sack about it.

[Webb]

Your sig said realist.

Kam, please view http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4867 regarding grammar and be less selfish about people who are reading the posts. A few extra letters and people who have limited English will be able to understand them as well.

[CSKX27]

Hmmmmm, how do I put this nicely?

Well fuck off then.

What is the point of posting in this thread then. What do you want!?!?!?!?!?
Nothing really just for u guys to stop putting us down and thinking that Gamertag isnt fit for his position. Leave us alone. Thats it Blitz originally posted this to let the people who were begging to know if he cheated tha the did. U guys made it into a HUGE deal, im asking dnt please. U dnt have to like me but just respect the fact that we feel u guys are making a big deal. Unfortunitilly This whole thing may be seceptible t more cheaters because they will rea dthis and go check out what this is all about and do it themselves but i guees thats just a world u guys will have to deal with. Im sorry to anyone who is offened by this. And in the words of Blitz's mom and many other people on this planet: LIFE ISNT FAIR!

[Webb]

Cheating is a huge deal! Can't you understand that!

Man, I hope you get ass raped in prison one day! Life isn't fair because of pricks like you that cheat their way through life!

If people get sucked in to cheating like you, then we live in a sad world.

[KilluhKam]

Suppose. Dishonest may not be the right word.

How about...

Untrustworthy
ImmoralNaive - yes you may be. Because you think that because someone else cheats, you thinks it's ok to. You must be naive to think that you saying that cheating is ok would be accepted.

I'm interested to see the age of these cheaters and where they are from. Please post.

as for me i dont cheat because every1 else is i cheat becuz i always have and i just recently decided 2 use game saves ass 13k of my GS so far is legit but fuck it i might as well cheat now i did b4 the 360 y let the 360 stop me?

[CSKX27]

Cheating is a huge deal! Can't you understand that!

Man, I hope you get ass raped in prison one day! Life isn't fair because of pricks like you that cheat their way through life!

If people get sucked in to cheating like you, then we live in a sad world.
Wow theres ur maturity showing again. hey look at it this way im gonna cheat my way out of prision. ull do it fairly so ull be the one takin it from the back.

[CSKX27]

Wow theres ur maturity showing again. hey look at it this way im gonna cheat my way out of prision. ull do it fairly so ull be the one takin it from the back.
Im sorry that it has to come down to this but i dnt cheat in life. u dnt have to believe it. But again these are fuckin video games, and we must compare them to real life, because thay show what kind of person we are fully.

[KilluhKam]

Your sig said realist.

Kam, please view http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4867 regarding grammar and be less selfish about people who are reading the posts. A few extra letters and people who have limited English will be able to understand them as well.

yeah my sig. says it its frum a song. where does it say "im the realest" and to note on that it says SOUTH SIDE THA REALEST it dosnt say any1 is the realest

[Webb]

Wow theres ur maturity showing again. hey look at it this way im gonna cheat my way out of prision. ull do it fairly so ull be the one takin it from the back.

I don't care what you think of me, your a cheater :nana

Your opinions are worthless :nana

LMFAO!!

[CSKX27]

I don't care what you think of me, your a cheater :nana

Your opinions are worthless :nana

LMFAO!!
and the same here i said that already but obviously u do care because u continue the conversation.

[Webb]

and the same here i said that already but obviously u do care because u continue the conversation.

I do continue it because I can!

[KilluhKam]

I do continue it because I can!

to be honest im suprised u havnt closed this thread like u do most of the new ones that pop up

[Webb]

to be honest im suprised u havnt closed this thread like u do most of the new ones that pop up

Was that a personal attack I sense?

I kept this open because it needs to be recognised that cheating is not right and is immoral!

[KilluhKam]

Was that a personal attack I sense?

I kept this open because it needs to be recognised that cheating is not right and is immoral!

its w/e u think it is

[CSKX27]

I do continue it because I can!
Because u can?
Wow u say ur 23 but u act like a 14 yr old girl involved with her boyfriend.
Maybe its not Morrals, cheating, and all that shit we should be looking up in the dictionary. Its maturity we need to be looking up.
Somone seriously close this thread.

[CSKX27]

Was that a personal attack I sense?

I kept this open because it needs to be recognised that cheating is not right and is immoral!
if u feel it needs to stay up because u think ur winnig some kind of battle between us to show everyone ur mistaken if u think tht ur gonna use us as an example ur mistaken.

[DaveWilma07]

Because u can?
Wow u say ur 23 but u act like a 14 yr old girl involved with her boyfriend.
Maybe its not Morrals, cheating, and all that shit we should be looking up in the dictionary. Its maturity we need to be looking up.
Somone seriously close this thread.

Of course you shouldnt be pissing off the admin person... (havent been reading all of this thread but there's an awful lot of hostility here!)

[Webb]

Fuckin kids!

[Styze]

Who really cares!!!! Does anybody get an award for the most achievments. NO!!!! If someone wants to do that, thats there business. I dont worry about what other guys do, nor will i ever. Some people are taking this achievment discussion way to serious. Like i said before who cares!!!! My 2 cents.

[CSKX27]

Who really cares!!!! Does anybody get an award for the most achievments. NO!!!! If someone wants to do that, thats there business. I dont worry about what other guys do, nor will i ever. Some people are taking this achievment discussion way to serious. Like i said before who cares!!!! My 2 cents.
Styze thank u And of course thanks for being mature about it.

[Webb]

I'm not bothered about gamerscores as you can tell by my score. The thing is, you know cheating is wrong/immoral and still do it and by the sound of it, you are proud of it.

[CSKX27]

Fuckin kids!
WOW U WIN WITH FUCKIN KIDS. UR THE KIDD. UR BEING THE MOST MATURE PERSON OF ALL OF THIS. U WIN!

[DaveWilma07]

WOW U WIN WITH FUCKIN KIDS. UR THE KIDD. UR BEING THE MOST MATURE PERSON OF ALL OF THIS. U WIN!

Did you forget to turn caps lock off?

[CSKX27]

I'm not bothered about gamerscores as you can tell by my score. The thing is, you know cheating is wrong/immoral and still do it and by the sound of it, you are proud of it.
IM not proud again u not understanding it. I did it to get back where i qwanted to be thats all. i feel terrible doing it but im happy that ive should the other cheaters that there not the only ones...

[KilluhKam]

Did you forget to turn caps lock off?

he did it like that on purpose

[CSKX27]

Did you forget to turn caps lock off?
yea not really trying to make a point mann

[DaveWilma07]

he did it like that on purpose

rofl... yes I know, but a little sarcasm doesnt go amiss... ;)

[KilluhKam]

rofl... yes I know, but a little sarcasm doesnt go amiss... ;)

lol quite true :p

[snafegeeza]

oh yeah well spotted killa.

If you feel terrible doing it then WHY!

"because other people are doing it", Pathetic excuse which just doesnt cut it with real gamers.

[KilluhKam]

oh yeah well spotted killa.

If you feel terrible doing it then WHY!

"because other people are doing it", Pathetic excuse which just doesnt cut it with real gamers.

no i do it becaus ive always cheated always have and i still have all respect for u even if u dont respect me its all good

[CSKX27]

oh yeah well spotted killa.

If you feel terrible doing it then WHY!

"because other people are doing it", Pathetic excuse which just doesnt cut it with real gamers.
I wanted to get back to where i once was rightfully, yea like i said two wrongs dnt make a right

[CSKX27]

no i do it becaus ive always cheated always have and i still have all respect for u even if u dont respect me its all good
For me its diffrent i dont cheat but i did because i felt that i was cheated out of my position

[KilluhKam]

For me its diffrent i dont cheat but i did because i felt that i was cheated out of my position

to be honest i wasnt goin 2 cheating when the 360 came out. and yeah i 2 feel cheated outta my position. but im just making a broad generalization that ive always cheated in games. and if any1 in here wants to take me off theyre list (outta the ppl that added me frum here) then feel free to. i need the space anywayz.

[snafegeeza]

That is not a valid excuse "I was cheated out of my position" so fuck. Get over it. If it really means that much to you then you better get a life and quickly mate. The leaderboard will all be taken over by cheats like you soon so it aint gonna matter anymore who's on top.

Stop trying trying to justify what your doing by saying that everyone else is doing it so why cant I. That is a childs attitude to the situation, be origional, have a mind of your own and say that its wrong to do this and it ruins everyone elses enjoyment. Because the people who say that will always come out on top in life not taking the easy route to doing things.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

EDIT: already done that killa

[Webb]

if any1 in here wants to take me off theyre list (outta the ppl that added me frum here) then feel free to. i need the space anywayz.

Consider it done already.

[KilluhKam]

i kinda figured u did webb

[Webb]

i kinda figured u did webb

Did you expect anything else? I know I'm strongly opinionated, but to have people on my friends list who cheat would make me a hypocrit.

What is the difference between this and modding on a game to get an unfair advantage.... none!

[Maka]

GameSaves are ridiculous and everyone that uses them really needs to get a life.... Especially if you're using an excuss like "Everyone's doing it, so I'm doing it to keep up!" That's a terrible excuss. I have a good gamerscore and got ALL my achivements Legit, other than achive rank "SS" in DOA4 and the Win Point Glitch in Quake 4. That's right, I didnt cheat for blazing angels... Far Cry & G.R.A.W.

So for everyone using gamesaves it's sad and don't use excusses

EDIT: Webb, you make a good point... how do you guys feel when you get modded in Halo 2... and then you lose a level you've worked really hard to get...?? You feel like SHIT!

[Styze]

That is not a valid excuse "I was cheated out of my position" so fuck. Get over it. If it really means that much to you then you better get a life and quickly mate. The leaderboard will all be taken over by cheats like you soon so it aint gonna matter anymore who's on top.

Stop trying trying to justify what your doing by saying that everyone else is doing it so why cant I. That is a childs attitude to the situation, be origional, have a mind of your own and say that its wrong to do this and it ruins everyone elses enjoyment. Because the people who say that will always come out on top in life not taking the easy route to doing things.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

EDIT: already done that killa

Who cares about the leaderboard anyways??? Sounds like some people are watching it like its there new born kid or something. Once again, nobody gets anything for being in 1st or top 10 or top 100. Its all personal opinion.

[Maka]

Actually you do get things for being first in the leaderbaords....

MS said something about the first person to 50,000 GS get's a prize or something...

Man, GameSaves suck Ass

[Styze]

Actually you do get things for being first in the leaderbaords....

MS said something about the first person to 50,000 GS get's a prize or something...

Man, GameSaves suck Ass


My apologizes, i did not know that. I think MS will be changing there minds about it though.

[Maka]

I wish GameSaves never exsisted.

[KilluhKam]

I wish GameSaves never exsisted.

so u wish u couldnt save games?

[Maka]

GameSaves the site! obvisouly i wouldnt write the words together like that if i meant just plainly saving your game...

[KilluhKam]

GameSaves the site! obvisouly i wouldnt write the words together like that if i meant just plainly saving your game...

being able to save ur game is why the site is there buddy hence people sharing theyre saved game.

[Maka]

No, really it's to get achievements for lazy people with no lives....

[KilluhKam]

No, really it's to get achievements for lazy people with no lives....

if u go 2 the site it says somewhere or ust to say that the site wasnt intened for people to get achievement but simply for ppl to share theyre characters or cars or w/e with other ppl and it just happened to turn out that u can get achievements by using them if the person saves it the right way (like before completeing the last level for a game complete one)

[Maka]

Don't try to tell me that bullshit.

What a Classic excuss.... Maybe that's what it started as but it's evolved into a "Look at me, I can get Achievements cheating:nana"

[KilluhKam]

Don't try to tell me that bullshit.

What a Classic excuss.... Maybe that's what it started as but it's evolved into a "Look at me, I can get Achievements cheating:nana"

ok w/e its not like i care wut u think anywayz are u gonna be one of the ppl to take me off ur list?

[Maka]

I forgot you were on my list... but you're not anymore....

[KilluhKam]

I forgot you were on my list... but you're not anymore....

just took u off my list...2 b honest im glad ur off my list

every1 thats on my list from this site:
Ki23lla
Helacool360
scalpelexix
CSKX27
DaKrazie1
Dark Kryptonyte
DjHunterd
FleamCD
g4m3r7ag
RoutineX
The Perfect Gun
TKO xPITCHBlak
WreckonDracgon

if you want off my list either tell me or just take me off thank you

[Maka]

ok, I'm glader:), I don't need cheaters

[Helacool360]

I wonder if Routine has seen this thread yet:rolleyes:

[Maka]

if u go 2 the site it says somewhere or ust to say that the site wasnt intened for people to get achievement but simply for ppl to share theyre characters or cars or w/e with other ppl and it just happened to turn out that u can get achievements by using them if the person saves it the right way (like before completeing the last level for a game complete one)

Professional, normal, rookie 100%(finish level named ammendment on each difficulty for achievement) Complete. All Weapons (rookie, just complete one level) Created by:TheJeeper and SilentSpartan

*Directly from GameSaves, and you say they don't intend for achievements to happen...

*Cry ME A River

[KilluhKam]

Professional, normal, rookie 100%(finish level named ammendment on each difficulty for achievement) Complete. All Weapons (rookie, just complete one level) Created by:TheJeeper and SilentSpartan

*Directly from GameSaves, and you say they don't intend for achievements to happen...

*Cry ME A River

that might be how it was when it 1st started now it is just for achievements ever since people found out u can get them

[KilluhKam]

ok, I'm glader:), I don't need cheaters

hey thats awesome u dont need cheaters and i dont need bitches on my list

[Helacool360]

that might be how it was when it 1st started now it is just for achievements ever since people found out u can get them

The site was actually made for sharing xbox1 saves before there were achievements. But now look what's happening, what a big surprise.

[snafegeeza]

come on children, its getting alittle silly now! ;)

[Maka]

hey thats awesome u dont need cheaters and i dont need bitches on my list

Oh, Shit!!! I felt that Burn

FAG

[KilluhKam]

u can call me w/e u want 2 maka dosnt hurt me any

[Webb]

People, no personal attacks here!

[Maka]

you can call me whatever the f** you want too...

* Discussion Over... GameSaves are cheap and rendering achievements useless

[KilluhKam]

then y did u get all offended and call me a fag?

[Maka]

I didnt get offended.... Seems like you did cause you called me the bitch first...

[Webb]

Oi! Lets make this about gamersaves and not about you two!

[KilluhKam]

I didnt get offended.... Seems like you did cause you called me the bitch first...

nah not really to be honest all this is funny

[Maka]

I think it's sad... Cheating just for gamerscore....

[Ki23lla]

i think we should drop it and go back to talking about games

[KilluhKam]

u wanna stay on my friends list ki23lla?

[Ki23lla]

yea it really dosent matter to me

[snafegeeza]

Well im not going to debate this topic no further, ive made my point and feel that arguing about it will get us nowhere.

[xfrancox]

I dont understand why someone says "I dont care what you think, it doesnt matter if you agree, blah blah blah" joins the site in the first place. How can someone say all this and then join solely for the reason of debating this topic. I dont know, doesnt add up to me.

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

People, no personal attacks here!

And u called me a hypocrite...yeah maybe i was, but ur just as bad as me. U say no personal attacks when u say that im a bad person?

This thread is now pointless....u believe what u believe and i believe what i believe...none of that is going to change.

So Webb....y dont u close this thread? Or wait, im sorry i forgot u only close threads that r useful.

[Webb]

Name one useful thread i've closed.

I said that cheating doesn't bode well for someone's character. How is that personal? Thats a generalisation!

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

Name one useful thread i've closed.

I said that cheating doesn't bode well for someone's character. How is that personal? Thats a generalisation!

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=4960

O i mite also add that u were a complete dick! And yeah it is personal when u say im a bad person!

[snafegeeza]

webbs does not close useful threads, this is complete shit you are posting and you know it. If webbs closes a thread he always states his reasons for it and he's usually right.

[KilluhKam]

webbs does not close useful threads, this is complete shit you are posting and you know it. If webbs closes a thread he always states his reasons for it and he's usually right.

so he has the right 2 make up sum stupid shit 2 close most of the new threads that pop up?

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

webbs does not close useful threads, this is complete shit you are posting and you know it. If webbs closes a thread he always states his reasons for it and he's usually right.

really so when someone asks for advice on what mission to do 47 kills in one mission and webb says we cant help u count and closes it...what is that useless?

[Webb]

I give relevant reasons, how is that stupid shit? How has this got on to my modding? I've tried to cut the amount of shit that was being posted here and IMO since I became mod, I have done so. The site now seems to be back on track after the earlier wobble.

[snafegeeza]

I aint gonna talk to you because:

a) your just a kid
b) you cant even reply in english
c) what you just said was complete shit.

Ps that thread had been answered elsewhere thats why he closed it. Grow a brain pal.

[Webb]

really so when someone asks for advice on what mission to do 47 kills in one mission and webb says we cant help u count and closes it...what is that useless?

Have you read what they were asking? I've spoke to numerous people about this and they agreed with what I did!

[KilluhKam]

this site would be alot better off without u

[Webb]

this site would be alot better off without u

LOL, thats why I got asked to be a mod is it :rolleyes:

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

I aint gonna talk to you because:

a) your just a kid
b) you cant even reply in english
c) what you just said was complete shit.

a) not a kid and age doesnt always determine maturity
b)how am i not replying in english
c) explain how it was complete shit...u know its not u just hate me so ur agreeing with him

[KilluhKam]

LOL, thats why I got asked to be a mod is it :rolleyes:

routine is human he made a mistake

[snafegeeza]

This is getting personal now and I dont like that. Webbs does agood job and keeps muppets like you from filling the forum with junk.

I was replying to realist killaz drug dealerz boy.

[Webb]

routine is human he made a mistake

Well, he can unmake mistakes. Speak to him, see what he thinks ROFL :rolleyes:

[KilluhKam]

Well, he can unmake mistakes. Speak to him, see what he thinks ROFL :rolleyes:

dont worry about that

[Webb]

dont worry about that

I won't ROFL!

[snafegeeza]

Good luck there, im sure he will take notice of a rebellious little boy going through puberty and venting his anger about being bullied at school on here.

[DaveWilma07]

I won't ROFL!

I've counted a few "ROFL" s ... you been on the beers Webb after that great England victory earlier.. ? ;)

[BlitZx HyPnOsIs]

LOL, thats why I got asked to be a mod is it :rolleyes:

i believe the only reason u were asked to be a mod is bcuz of ur post count...could be wrong but thats my opinion.

And in regards to ur question about did i read what he asked...yes i did.


Im struggling with this one, I keep gettin close, and then screwing it up, hard to count up without losing count.
Anyhow, how did you do this level? Which level, where did you hide, what did you do etc? Any help appreciated :D
Thanks


In my opinion, this is such a pointless thread. You are asking how to keep count aren't you!?

OMG, I can't believe people are having problems with