Xbox conspiracy theory

[constantine]

Ok so this is just a theory please dont hammer me too hard for saying this.

The normal colors for anything thats not the final product is general white and/or grey. I have this feeling that the acual 360 most people have was nothing but a concept version of the system. I really think that the real final product of the xbox 360 is the elite. I worked at a gamestore and I worked microsoft xbox 360 tech support when I lived out in austin. neither jobs did i hear more than 2 yes I say 2 elites being busted. Neither of them being an overheating issue. Really look at the facts between the 2 different versions.(btw the original 360 didnt even support HDMI yet the elite was garenteed. hmm.)


If anyone else has any theories on this subject please tell me! FIRE AWAY!:uzi:

So what if the xbox 360 you have isnt really the final product???

-constantine

[Cold Rival]

Makes sense, in a sick and twisted way. DAMN YOU TO HELL, MICROSOFT!

But...

I've yet to have a problem with my 360 (white, old) and I've had it since Dec last year. I just reckon that it's more about how you treat your console that depends on whether or not it'll shit all over you. :p Anyway, that's off topic.

I really doubt that the 360 was a "concept". More like an imperfect machine that was rushed to be finished. The Elite is just a tweaked version with the creases ironed out.

[narcolepticshee]

i know what you're saying, but technically it is the final product because it was released. Nice theory though.

Peace

[constantine]

But it really makes you wonder what happened or what they were thinking you know? microsoft is pretty secretive anyway, I had to sign multiple non-disclosure agreements about the 360 and about live. so much i wish I could say but I like not having to go to court^^

[NyteRayne]

It has some possibilities. Things are getting more and more rushed these days. Look at some of the games that come out, especially if you are in the MMO market. Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is the perfect example. Even the lead producer said that it wasn't ready to be released. The beta forums were screaming about bugs and performance problems. SOE basically cut off the funds and said release it now or kill the project. The game went live and flopped hard. It is sad because the game had a lot of potential. Games, and systems, are being pushed out faster and faster to A) get a quicker return on invested capital and B) beat competitors to certain markets. This has led to bad mistakes. I don't know enough about the 360 to know if it is in the same bucket (though it was in a race with the Wii and PS3 at the time).

[Clipse 2]

Technology changes daily, we no longer live in an era of which an electronic product can be released with consumers thinking it doesn't need to be upgraded after a short time span. With the innovations taken place in cell phones and home computers upgrading has become an essential part of owning an electronic device. This has finally caught up with console makers; the situation they are put in is do they release new models every so often or create user interchangeable modules allowing the product owner to swap them out at will if they choose to upgrade.

The Xbox 360 and PS3 are not video game consoles, they are miniature computers having the same issues as their larger counterparts in needing to be upgraded to keep up with technological innovation. Remember how much a wireless network card cost 4 years ago? You can now buy an even more powerful and much smaller unit for a 1/4th of the price. Why didn't the original Xbox 360 have an HD-DVD installed in it? Because it would have made the price around $750 if not more.

As time goes by the technologies which used to cost a lot drop in price which then allow manufactures to implement these technologies at little cost to the consumer later in town than it would in the past. Get where I'm going?

They could have shoved an HD-DVD drive, HDMI, Wireless NIC, and all that into the launch consoles. They just didn't want to have the consumer backlash of sticker shock when the price was unveiled; look at the PS3...

[constantine]

but years later why are the new systems still failing hard. oh btw the elite was also planned from the begining i just think that maybe they would have been like" so we just wasted millions of dollars on these broke a$$ systems why dont we drop a little more doe and fix the problem. nothing a little heat reduction cream cant fix on the CPU conection to the GPU. but 3 years in they are still going down. EXCEPT the elite. HMMM lol

Dont get me wrong I LOVE MY 360 to death. but microsoft is being the same kind of tyrant EA has been for the last 6 years.

Edit* btw i miss windows me =[ lol

[Clipse 2]

but years later why are the new systems still failing hard. oh btw the elite was also planned from the begining i just think that maybe they would have been like" so we just wasted millions of dollars on these broke a$$ systems why dont we drop a little more doe and fix the problem. nothing a little heat reduction cream cant fix on the CPU conection to the GPU. but 3 years in they are still going down. EXCEPT the elite. HMMM lol

Dont get me wrong I LOVE MY 360 to death. but microsoft is being the same kind of tyrant EA has been for the last 6 years.

Edit* btw i miss windows me =[ lol
You do know they are using 65nm CPU's now and are scheduled to start using 65nm GPU's this coming August right? That right there alone will fix a lot of issues in its self. You may have only seen 2 Elites fail at your time doing tech support, I've seen at the least 8 Elites with RROD.

I've always said this and will always say it, I don't think its so much of a manufacturing issue as a user issue. I have a launch Core console that failed and I know why it failed; MS replaced my model with another Core model just like the one I sent in and it still runs like a champ.

[narcolepticshee]

Actually this could be valid - do you remember how early the x360 came out before all the other consoles? Maybe they rushed it and released a prototype to get ahead of the competition

Peace

[Drewdude1023]

i have not had any problems and i've had my old, white 360 since march 06

[Adam Miller]

Maybe, but well never know there real intentions.

[Daywalker-san]

Hmm, interesting theory, but rather than the console being beta, i would say the dashboard was. most of my crashes on my old Xbox were while using the dashboard in and out of games, plus with the lack of the marketplace it felt like a rushed GUI

[sam49]

The 360 was rushed no doubt about that. Look at the RROD problem.

[Clipse 2]

Anyone in Marketing? What happens when you hype something up and are the first to the market with a particular product? You sell a shit load of it and it doesn't even matter if it has issues and doesn't meet the hype (take Halo 3 for example). MS knew if they hit the market first they would have a success, particularly when its priced right. With that being said of course it was rushed to market, but I still don't think I'm playing a beta console.

Two years ago I bought a Motorola Q the day it came out, a year later they released an updated version. Did I buy a test model or the final product? According to this theory I bought the beta version...

[kratos2466]

it seems to me that microsoft dont actually care about its consumers. they expect us to pay for every little add on they can come up with and seem supprised when it goes wrong like the dashboard WHAT WAS SO WRONG WITH IT that it needs an update that kicks u off live everytime it cant load and takes for ever to load in the first place. THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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[Siege Is Like]

its a little more common sense that an earlier version of the system would be more problematic...conspiracy theory would be more so that the purpose of the new systems would be to track more user sensitive data to resell to the companies to send spam mail and offers.

[avengerRPM]

Interesting theory, but I stand next to all who have said the original 360 was just rushed, giving it the bugs it has.

[xymon81]

an interesting theory, gives you food for thought

[Armstrong x360a]

i have not had any problems and i've had my old, white 360 since march 06

Just give it time. I was going on a year and thought my console was running smooth, no real issues, a freeze here or there after longer gaming sessions, then one day I turn it on pop in a game and ten minutes later I get RROD. I think there must be a nearly 100% fail rate on the launch 360s. Not 3% like MS insists.

[constantine]

yes it was rushed but you have to remember there was no official release date of the ps 3 and wii when the 360 came out. so why would they rush? low money7? maybe but you have to think the elite was planned from the beggining. so the 360 itself as a protype could be correct. look how stable the original xbox was. amazing. look at 360. i undertstand there are always kinks to work out but why are they still kicking out faulty systems with hardware and overheating issues. it would not cost them much at all to put heat resistant paste between the cpu and the gpu, people say thay are getting a new gpu to match the cpu but is that really necessary? in the end it could be possible that they arent fixing the problems because they hope one day everyone will move up to the elite which has had few issues.
And stating once more i worked for tech support. all they did was ussually swap out the motherboard and send it back another issue happens again after the 3rd send in we would then consider, i repeat consider sending a new system. but that is rare, anyone who got a whole new system is lucky. lol

[Clipse 2]

Dude I'm sorry but what the hell were you doing working for tech support at MS? Do you not understand that a 65nm GPU will produce less heat as opposed to a 90nm GPU? Yes its necessary, that will help the problem at hand. The 3 ring RROD is caused by general hardware failure whose leading cause is from heat.

Do you still work for Microsoft? Did they send you here to whore out the Elite because thats what you've been doing thus far. If anyone needs or wants to buy a system I recommend buying an Elite, but don't get all pissed off if it ends up having problems as well. Your claim about them just needing to add thermal paste isn't a conspiracy theory its shitty Research and Development; they didn't quality test the console enough.

The 360 was rushed to market because MS wanted to be first, they wanted that jump because when the PS3 started getting delayed time after time people would look towards the Xbox. Talk to a few members and some will tell you they bought the 360 for that exact reason. Your claims of this being a big ass conspiracy are just freaking ignorant, I'm sorry to say.

[constantine]

:uzi:no i dont still work for microsoft. im not whoring the elite. im stating the obvious. insults are not necessary. it labeled xbox consperecy "THEORY" see that word theory yeah say it a few times in your head when you calm the hell down lol

Edit* btw chill bro. i didnt come here to be called ignorant im doing nothing but sharing my opinions you dont like it go somewhere else and keep sniffin your own farts.

[Clipse 2]

:uzi:no i dont still work for microsoft. im not whoring the elite. im stating the obvious. insults are not necessary. it labeled xbox consperecy "THEORY" see that word theory yeah say it a few times in your head when you calm the hell down lol

I didn't insult you I made a comment about your claim of conspiracy, but if you feel that I have insulted you you're entitled to report the post if you'd like. I understand the word theory fairly well, but to have a theory you need to back it up with more than what you've got.

You're saying that the Elite is the cream of the crop, what the console was supposed to be. What if I told you you're wrong and that there is another model in development right now that is superior to the Elite? Does that mean the Elite was a test model for consumers to buy and try out? Your original claims emulate that sentiment which is why I ask.

The console was rushed to be out first, thats was the number one goal of Microsoft. Once issues started to arise from the launch units thats sadly when the Research and Development department started to do quality control test or so it seems. The solution was a different heatsink and heat tubing to pull the hot air away from the processing units; the same units that fail causing the general hardware failure ala RROD. Then the Halo console was released with a 65nm CPU, it helped but didn't solve the problems entirely. Now every console should have the 65nm CPU, but also still has the 90nm GPU. These smaller processors take less power, less power means less heat being emitted from the processor which should translate into less heat related failures. Where these smaller processors available 2 years ago? No, they were in prototypes but nothing on the market and 65nm GPUs are just now starting to come to market.

Its a marketing and technology thing not some corporate conspiracy to beta test a console. MS just fucked up and now they're trying to better it, sorry you feel the same way.

[constantine]

no if there was another model i wouldnt say it was the best i would say i hope the RROD will be put to a minumum this isnt just about the heat problem man. believe it or not alot of the 360s that get the RROD are not just heat failures but also faulty hardware. its a mix of everythiung. an no im not doing what microsoft did. i didnt fuck up by voicing my opinion. i just through an idea out and your roasting me for it saying its ignorant there is nothing wrong with what i said. and no im not gonna report it cause honestly i dont fucking care. i just liked having a decent convo with people without being told its stupid. its a theory that doesnt make me right its an opinion so just let it go.

[Clipse 2]

I'll give you props for coming up with it, but its just so far out there man I can't buy into it. But if you say that most RROD's aren't caused by heat issues why do you keep mentioning adding thermal paste? That wouldn't help the issues unless it were heat related correct? In many ways you're right the Elite was probably supposed to be the ideal model but since they couldn't produce it at the time of the launch other models were release. That alone gave them the edge to Nintendo or Sony; it gave the consumers wanting something right then the ability to pick it up right then. This was all about money, nothing else.

[razzleson]

I'm sorry, here comes my opinion. Hopefully it doesn't offend too many of you.

I honestly think this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read. Conspiracy theory? .....Seriously?

One thing I do want to point out about the first post, what about Nintendo?

NES
SNES
Gameboy
Gameboy DS
Wii

SNAP, all white/grey. So either Nintendo pushes out prototype products or that theory's shot. I could go into other gaming systems/electronics but I won't

I really doubt that the 360 was a "concept". More like an imperfect machine that was rushed to be finished.
That's the best comment I've seen in this thread. Microsoft is a company. For most companies their purpose is to make money. What better than to release a next-gen console months before the nearest competitor? Sure all the quirks aren't smoothed out, but oh what money could be made!

I whole heartedly think MS was in it for the money. They didn't do enough testing and it bit them in the ass. I'm not sticking up for MS, they piss me off most days out of the year. But a conspiracy? C'mon....

EDIT: I won't lie, I didn't read the last half of comments because they were just moronic IMO.

[constantine]

I'm sorry, here comes my opinion. Hopefully it doesn't offend too many of you.

I honestly think this is one of the dumbest threads I've ever read. Conspiracy theory? .....Seriously?

One thing I do want to point out about the first post, what about Nintendo?

NES
SNES
Gameboy
Gameboy DS
Wii

SNAP, all white/grey. So either Nintendo pushes out prototype products or that theory's shot. I could go into other gaming systems/electronics but I won't

I really doubt that the 360 was a "concept". More like an imperfect machine that was rushed to be finished.
That's the best comment I've seen in this thread. Microsoft is a company. For most companies their purpose is to make money. What better than to release a next-gen console months before the nearest competitor? Sure all the quirks aren't smoothed out, but oh what money could be made!

I whole heartedly think MS was in it for the money. They didn't do enough testing and it bit them in the ass. I'm not sticking up for MS, they piss me off most days out of the year. But a conspiracy? C'mon....

EDIT: I won't lie, I didn't read the last half of comments because they were just moronic IMO.
lol niiiiiiiiiiiiiice. Constantine = pwned

[constantine]

anyone else have another take on this subject?

[gravest_jimmy]

the elite is just an extension stratergy for the 360, sales dwindeling so they release a new model, only differance is a bigger hard drive, new paint job and a couple of wires, not relly a big expense for MS, they kept it simple, made everyone want it so everyone bought it, they make money we lose money, just like the PS3 with its millions of differant sizes, or the wii with its new add ons every week. its just trying to stay afloat a bit longer...

[mattdtb84]

its white because white plastic is the cheapest colour to produce

[Crazy Cabbie]

Companies are already working on the next best thing by the time the first is released. The Elite was already in production when they released the core systems. When everyone was having problems with the first system, microsoft did the best they could to fix the problem while also adding the new software to the Elite so they don't have the same problems. And as far as it goes with microsoft releaseing the core without knowing any other system release dates, thats a lie!! Companies have leaks, just because we didn't know about it doesn't mean microsoft didn't know the estimated dates of other systems. They don't want us to find out about them so soon because then we, as gamers, put more pressure on them to hurry and release it.And i'm not sticking up for microsoft either, if it wasn't for the 360 I wouldn't have anything to do with them. I traded all my xbox stuff in before because of them. But then realized i can't live without it.