Your Thoughts on "2012"?

[LMA McLovin]

2012, seems like a normal year. Think again, the Mayan Calendar ends on December 21, 2012. Many other cultures believe it may be an appocoloplyse or some sign of armageddon. Personally I believe it is over anticipated, it will be a fluke just like Y2K or 6/6/06. The other side thinks, is this possible. Then I just think to myself sure the Moon, Earth, Solar System, Sun, etc. will all be in alignment but what will happen, a bitch slap to face via a comet or something? Who knows, we will have to wait and see.

December 21, 2012

I'm not one to fall for these types of things, so its hard to believe. There are many videos even a few novels about this topic. So discuss here and try and refrain from using religion.

And if this does happen, let's all go down to the Equator and have some fun. :drunk

PS: Searched the forums and didn't see anything about 2012, so yeah...

[Marx0r]

I believe there's also a prophecy that the next Pope will bring about the end of the world. December 21st, 2012 is a Sunday, which is when conclaves are started. Also, the Doomsday Clock, when stretched against modern human culture, ends roughly at Dec. 2012.

One prophecy, by itself, doesn't scare me, but all 3 sort of do.

[Xterm1n8or]

I guess some people will believe this but in my opinion, this along with religion etc is a load of absolute rubbish! Many huge things happen everyday, research it, it just so happens there are a few more on this 2012 day.

And by the way, check out the website decmber212012.com . All i can say about that is LOL.

[Vista]

I agree... its bullsh1t. The world isnt gonna spontaneously combust on any given day, religion is just flat out bull.

[Tussell]

The Acient Mayan couldn't possibly do that. I mean, c'mon, back then, people though dancing brought on changes in weather.

I've been hearing this bullshit for a long time. This is just like Y2K.

But my luck, it's all true, and I'll be the one to look like the douchebag.

Until then, talk shit about the Mayans because they're not here to defend themselves. :)

[J eVeRy DaY 514]

Until then, talk shit about the Mayans because they're not here to defend themselves. :)

haha, that's just too funny to pass up quoting.
anyways, i really don't believe this either, but i do got to give the Mayans props for a "pretty close" guesstimate. (seeing as they predicted it so long ago) i think the end of the world is sooner than later in terms of thousands of years... but i don't think it will happen in 2012.

[LMA McLovin]

Here's my thought. The Mayans got so bored of making a calendar they just stopped that day. And people thought it wad the end of the world. I mean I doubt the pope has anything to do with the end of the world, for one this pope almost caused the world to end via Nuclear War for calling out muslims. :)

It seems like Y2K, 6/6/06, and all those stupid thoughts. We will have to see and wait...

[DoM cAbAn]

Hahaha, I love how people believe in this sort of stuff. Even though a lot of the stuff in the video is bound to happen someday, I really doubt the world will end in this lifetime.

[PerpetualHeaven]

I agree... its bullsh1t. The world isnt gonna spontaneously combust on any given day, religion is just flat out bull.

Watch what you say. You'll start some heated things with those words. That is what I call "dem fightin' words."

Anyways, Mayans have been saying this for a while. I can't remember exactly but the initial day was suppose to be sometime early in the 2000. But then they changed it. It'd be pretty funny if 2012 ended up being the end of the earth.

[Jdm7399]

I've been hearing this bullshit for a long time. This is just like Y2K.

^^^I also believe this will be like Y2K as well.

Whether it's true or not, we'll have to wait and see. I actually saw the documentary on the Discovery Channel awhile back. It talked about all the prophecies and the calendar ending. Don't worry guys...the day will eventually come.

Here's a better question for you guys. Say all this is true. What will you be doing the days beforehand? Please don't say anything nasty or vulgar. It's not needed here.;)

[ever31]

awwww crap, typical i pay my car off the month beforehand aswell

[Minty]

Just got to say that this isnt like Y2K.

This was done by a tribe who didnt have modern technology over a thousand years ago, who like people said, used to think dancing made the weather change.

Y2K was conceived by some of the smartest people in the world worrying. Id say the Mayans were less stupid than the people behind Y2K....

[Khaos]

If the world ends in 2012, I'll be pretty salty, I'll only be 29,

Dammit, I won't even get to see 30.

As for what I'll be doing up until then, well, I've never been to one of those gentlemen's clubs I hear so much about. Maybe I'll try that before all of them are wiped off the face of the earth. Plus my wife won't find out b/c the clubs will be all destroyed :)

[codedigital]

If the world ends in 2012, I'll be pretty salty, I'll only be 29,

Dammit, I won't even get to see 30.

As for what I'll be doing up until then, well, I've never been to one of those gentlemen's clubs I hear so much about. Maybe I'll try that before all of them are wiped off the face of the earth. Plus my wife won't find out b/c the clubs will be all destroyed :)

What the hell is salty?

Don't worry...you don't want to hit 30. That's when you start getting the wrinkles.

[n1n3t33nd3lta]

i dunno about the mayans, but notrodaumus predicted someshit like that. except it would be the eagle(us), the bear(russia), and something else, but it's supposed to be isreal, and they're gonna bring about WWIII and yadda yadda. if you ask me, it's bs, and i think we're in no danger of the world ending soon.

[Exane22]

i dunno about the mayans, but notrodaumus predicted someshit like that. except it would be the eagle(us), the bear(russia), and something else, but it's supposed to be isreal, and they're gonna bring about WWIII and yadda yadda. if you ask me, it's bs, and i think we're in no danger of the world ending soon.

Lawl, with all the nukes that are around almost any country could bring about the end of the world. Tensions are high right now all around the world and no one is backing down. The end of the world (life) could happen when ever so making such bold predictions (see what i did there :D) is funny to me :)

[PerpetualHeaven]

i think we're in no danger of the world ending soon.

Ah man, you never know when an asteroid or comet can go off track and get sucked into the gravitational pull by earth. Then we're all screwed. Crap thing is if we get a really HYOOOGEEE asteroid. Then the strong shall survive.

[Pez]

What Nostradamus did prophesy was that a great war would come sometime during the last five years of the 20th century, presaged by famine, drought and a series of other natural disasters. This war will last close to 30 years, after which there will be one thousand years of peace, or a new golden age. Nostradamus quatrains did not go beyond 3786 or 3797. According to a letter written to one of his sons, the seer claimed this is the year the world will end.

Source: http://www.armageddononline.org/nostradamus2.php

I suggest checking this website out, even if you don't believe in this stuff. It's a very interesting read.

http://www.armageddononline.org/

~SS

[Zef]

If the Mayans were so good they wouldn't have died or got abducted by aliens. Diseases and Spaniards couldn't finish off anyone else could they?

I think that they were just too lazy to go any further or maybe whoever chiselled those rocks just got a cramp right then and called it a day, then some chavvy Mayans nicked it, realised they couldn't sell it for cider or Nike 'shox' and dumped it somewhere.

At least if it is true we won't have to sit through any crappy Xmas TV specials or Queen's speeches. Just hold out for a few more years.

[Turbo VDuB 44]

It's interesting that they chose the Vernal Equinox as the day that all this will "happen". The shortest day of the year, when the sun is furthest away from the Earth...kind of makes you think...how will solar flares kill us when the sun is at its farthest possible point from the Earth....

December212012 looks like a tabloid just by clicking it, there was no way I was going to read any of it. I saw an ad for an Inquirer of some kind, exit button....

Zef...you reminded me of the part of Mel Brooks movie "History of the World Part 1", where Moses comes out with the Commandments and goes, "I bring you 15...(he drops a commandment and it shatters on the ground)....10...10 Commandments!! lol...just thought it was funny...

[Shaaady Souljah]

"I hesitated to write this article because I did not want to scare people. But I was told by an angelic being that I must."

these are the kind of people making this seem like a big deal. it will come and go, just like any other day/year, and then we will all laugh.

[Bluntman428]

All this talk about Mayans being uncivilized chimps is pretty unfounded and uneducated. The ancient Mayans were actually a hell of a lot smarter than people give them credit for. Their understanding of space, the alignment of planets and stars, and the solar cycle was unrivaled up until the past few centuries. In fact, their calendar is more accurate than the one we use today. And this was thousands of years ago. They also had a great knowledge of math, as made evident by their architecture.

People think they were stupid because of the whole human sacrifice thing and the fact they ran around half naked, but they were actually one of the greatest civilizations throughout human history. In modern times, we have a tendency to look back on our ancestors and think of them as intellectually inferior. But they didn't have the luxury of the internet, encyclopedias, television, etc. We as a race essentially have a collection of every piece of knowledge humanity's every learned available to us with a few keystroke. So we sort of have an unfair advantage. ;)

As for the Mayan doomsday prophecy, well, I'm not sure what to think. I'm generally a fairly logical thinker, and I don't give much thought into things like this usually. I thought Y2K was the funniest thing to happen to humanity pretty much ever. This one's a bit different though. There's a lot of evidence pointing towards this one being true.

The Mayans judged large periods of times in "Baktuns". A Baktun had something to do with something the sun does every 5000 years, but I can't recall exactly what it is. The Mayans considered a Baktun as a shift from one "world" to the next. There'd be some sort of massive disaster at the end of a Baktun, and life's cycle would restart again at the beginning of the next. Curiously enough, recorded history started at about the same time as the current Baktun began roughly 5000 years ago. For some reason that I can't remember offhand, this current Baktun had a significant meaning to the Mayans, and it will be ending on Dec. 21, 2012. This is also when the Mayan calendar, which has been the most accurate calendar ever created throughout history, ends.

Another thing to note is that the Mayans had "descriptions" for certain years on the calendar. They prophecised World War 2, the Vietnam War, 9/11, and the US invasion of Iraq. They also prophecised that in 2008-2009, the world would enter into another great war that would bring about the end of this Baktun. Which seems all too likely with the current atmosphere of global politics.

Also worth noting, is that on Dec. 21, 2012, our Solar System will be completely aligned and we'll be positioned directly at the bottom of our Galaxy, which most scientists agree will have at least some minor effects on activity in the Sun.

There's a lot of different theories as to what exactly will happen on Dec. 21, 2012. Some people think the human race will transcend into a higher state of consciousness after the planets align. Others think, and this one is the most credible, that the poles will shift and reverse our gravity. And then some people think aliens are going to come and take us to some galaxy far, far away. :p

Really though, it's best not to worry about it. If the world ends, it ends. I'd personally love to die in the Apocalypse. But the Mayan prophecy wasn't a "doomsday" prophecy as some people misinterpret it. It actually says that we'll enter into a new level of consciousness, physically, mentally, and spiritually. I'm looking forward to 2012 anyway, just out of curiosity. Something cool's gonna happen, whether it's the apocalypse or just some cool shit going on in space. ;)

[Zef]

It's interesting that they chose the Vernal Equinox as the day that all this will "happen". The shortest day of the year, when the sun is furthest away from the Earth...kind of makes you think...how will solar flares kill us when the sun is at its farthest possible point from the Earth....

Giant magnifying glasses. Obviously those crazy Mayans hitched a lift with some aliens, spent the last couple of decades making a big set of magnifying glasses and will show up again right on time to show us who is boss. How cows fit into this I don't know, maybe they paid the Mayans to get rid of us incase their own plans didn't work.

And I'd like to point out that Wunderkind Nostradamus wasn't such a great prophet. Loads of his predictions are either ridiculously vague or wrong, people just twisted them to fit in with events. And why does the alignment of Sol with the Milky Way mean anything?

And if they want to be scientifically accurate, their exploding planet wouldn't have made any noise.

[Shaaady Souljah]

the 9/11 thing is false, and i found a post from another forum that sums most of this up perfectly...

"The two birds striking the great city is indeed bunk, and I suggest you verify something like that by checking out its source prior to believing it.... The only reference other than the end-of-world nonsense people like to talk about concerning the 2012 date on the Mayan calender is not, in fact, the end of the world, but rather the beginning of a new cycle, in much the same way that my calender ends on December 31. It doesn't signify that I need to prepare for the end, it signifies that this calender has run out and I need to buy a new one."

[Exane22]

Now i remember, thanks Shady. The only problem with that is all the other cycles they had, the end was marked by some catastrophic event and that is the main reason why people think the end of the current cycle we are on will also likewise end in one.

I dont nessecarly believe it, but there are alot of things out there that dont make sense. Im not going to decide on something that is in the future. The only thing we can do is wait until December of '12 and see what happens. if and when we get to the 22nd then we can all say that they were wrong, until then noone knows.

[xGodDogx]

othing is going happen on Decmber 21 2012 its a load of shit...

[Exane22]

Do you care to add why or are you just going to spam. Alot of people have said the same thing so why repeat it if your not going to add anything? whats the point:confused:

[M7.Ninja]

I don't see why I should worry about something that might or might not happen, and which none of us can bring forth or push away.

We're all going to die one way or another. It would be best if we just lived our lives to the fullest. For all we know, we might all be dead before then.

With that out of the way, my take on this is that there will be a war that will bring a shift in the great powers of the world. Billions will die by the hands of other humans, and by natural disasters. By the end of 2012, those who survive will witness things they never thought possible. A new world order that will reign from the far east to what used to be known as the United States of America. Many countries will be uninhabitable due to the consequences of war or from being unhospitable after the natural disasters rip it apart.

And then, a new age of prosperity will begin...but it won't last long.

[Sanction]

I think this is a bunch of malarkey, if something were going to happen, people would be in mass hysteria right now.

I will only get concerned if it appears on the news, or 60 Minutes.

And that's a big if.

[Tussell]

Just got to say that this isnt like Y2K.

This was done by a tribe who didnt have modern technology over a thousand years ago, who like people said, used to think dancing made the weather change.

Y2K was conceived by some of the smartest people in the world worrying. Id say the Mayans were less stupid than the people behind Y2K....
Yeah, I said both of those.
I think it's stupid.
The only reason I mentioned Y2K was because it was some bullshit hype about how the world is going to end.

[Bullet2theface]

to the people who say religion is bull, it seems to me that you are not very smart, knowing religious people use this site, and this a friendly website, I'm going to shout out my thought about saying religion is bullshit, seriously, think before you type.

On topic, I do not believe this video, although I do think the world could end on any day, could be tomorrow or could be in a billion years.

[Tussell]

People on here may practice a religion, but just the same, people may think religion is bullshit.

So both have equal rights to shout out whatever they feel should be said.

But I believe religion has ZERO importance in the end of the world. That's my humble opinion. :)

[Vista]

for whoever is still on the site during this day I'm gonna jave a huge live party over-night, just so when the earth combust ill be pwning noobs in halo 5 or cod 6!

[|oneyedNewb|]

it's already the end of the world, but we don't know it personally i think the world ended when we all stopped treating eachother with respect, when wars have broken out...I think we are the end of the world not this global warming stuff and it's nothing to do with religon, human kind will end this world, not any gods.

[Bullet2theface]

People on here may practice a religion, but just the same, people may think religion is bullshit.

So both have equal rights to shout out whatever they feel should be said.

But I believe religion has ZERO importance in the end of the world. That's my humble opinion. :)
Can you think of someone who came up to you and told you, that being an atheist is complete bullshit, and you will burn in hell for it. Has anyone told you that before? telling me that religion is bullshit, is the same as someone telling you that, note, I'm not starting a flame war, nor am I saying you will burn in hell, this is just an example..

[Shaaady Souljah]

i understand what are you are saying, bullet. but it will do nothing but spark an argument... so, please, no more religion talks.

(jesus loves me ;))
ok. now. no more. :p

i will gladly come to that halo 5 party, by the way.

[Bullet2theface]

i understand what are you are saying, bullet. but it will do nothing but spark an argument... so, please, no more religion talks.

(jesus loves me ;))
ok. now. no more. :p

i will gladly come to that halo 5 party, by the way.
Alright bro, But there is one thing certain........................you will get owned in Halo 5 on December 12, 2012.

[Tussell]

Check your PM bullet. Rather than spamming forums, I'd like to just have a serious conversation about it.

On the other hand, I'll be the pwnr on that day. :)

[Shaaady Souljah]

you guys better watch out... i will be carrying the new sword and hiding in a corner with it. and it shoots bullets. yup. game over.

but we should swing this back towards where it belongs... Who here has seen the special on the History channel about it? If you missed it, it will be on again this Saturday at 11am EST. It will also be on again on Tuesday 10/23 @ 10:00pm EST & Wed. 10/24 @ 2:00am EST.

[Creech]

As for the Mayan doomsday prophecy, well, I'm not sure what to think. I'm generally a fairly logical thinker, and I don't give much thought into things like this usually. I thought Y2K was the funniest thing to happen to humanity pretty much ever. This one's a bit different though. There's a lot of evidence pointing towards this one being true.


I don't intend for this to be a flame, but you claim to be a "fairly logical thinker" and yet still posted a message containing close to zero fact. You did not provide any evidence at all, either that Mayans believed this back in the day or that any of it may be factual.


Also worth noting, is that on Dec. 21, 2012, our Solar System will be completely aligned and we'll be positioned directly at the bottom of our Galaxy, which most scientists agree will have at least some minor effects on activity in the Sun.


Yeah, so you are at best gullible, and at worst, well, I won't go there despite the temptation. How about you check out, oh, I don't know...maybe the opinion of an astronomer. You know, one of those guys who studies planetary motion for a living? Yeah, click here (http://www.etsu.edu/physics/etsuobs/starprty/22099dgl/planalign.htm). The relevant portion is quoted below. The bit about being positioned at the bottom of the galaxy is so laughably stupid that I won't embarrass you further, but perhaps you could try getting educated.


Let's say we first wanted to determine what the probability would be for all the superior planet's to be at the same right ascension (RA) (i.e., conjunction) and the inferior planets to be exactly 12 hours in RA (=180°) away at the same time. First, we must decide on the span of time we will allow for the planets to be at that location. Instead of setting this to one second, let's allow a little slop and say that the planets have to be at the above mention location within a minute of each other. To do this, we merely multiply the periods of the planets in minutes together (excluding the Earth). This gives:
Probability (planets at same RA at same time) = 1.8 x 1014 minutes = 3.4 x 108 years
Hence, there is one chance in 340 million years that the planet's will all be at the same RA in the sky (with Mercury and Venus 12 hours on the other side of the sky) within a minute of each! Now if we specify that this must occur while the superior planets are at opposition and the inferior planets in inferior conjunction (i.e., the planet's are all at the same RA as seen from the Sun), then we must include the Earth's orbit in the calculation:
Probability (ALL planets at same RA with respect to Sun at same time) =
9.3 x 1019 minutes = 1.8 x 1014 years
A whooping once in 180 trillion years! And we are still not through, if we include the Moon in this calculation, that is, it being at either a solar or lunar eclipse during this time, we multiply its period onto this and get 6.9 x 1018 years! However we must continue since the astrologers and psychics claim an exact alignment. From the table above, you see that all of the planets are inclined with respect to the ecliptic. The line that marks the intersection between the two inclined planes is called the line-of-nodes and the projected position of this line on the sky called the nodes of the planet's orbit (which of course must lie on the ecliptic). The line-of-nodes for each planet precesses about each of the planet's orbits. So, to calculate the probability that all of the planets will line up in an exact straight line with the Earth included in that line, we must factor this line-of-nodes precession into our calculations. In the table above, we list the precession of the ascending node (i.e., planet moving south of the ecliptic to north of the ecliptic) in arcseconds per year (these data were obtained from General Relativity calculations). We must convert this into units of time (instead of angles per time) by realizing that there are 360° (=1,296,000") in a complete circle (i.e., orbit). So the factors we are multiplying together to get the probability are 1,296,000/Ti, where T is the node precession rate per year for each planet "i" (hence Ti is 1/100 of the value listed in the table above). Carrying out this calculation in conjunction with our calculations above, we get:
Probability (ALL planets in straight line out from the Sun) =
8.6 x 1046 years
As you can see, since the solar system is only 4.6 x 109 (4.6 billion) years old, and will only be in existence for a grand total of 1010 (10 billion) years, our calculated probability for an exact planetary alignment to occur is once in 86 billion-trillion-trillion-trillion years! (That's a 86 followed by 45 zeros years!) The odds strongly favor that an exact planetary alignment will NEVER occur throughout the entire history of the solar system.



There's a lot of different theories as to what exactly will happen on Dec. 21, 2012. Some people think the human race will transcend into a higher state of consciousness after the planets align. Others think, and this one is the most credible, that the poles will shift and reverse our gravity.


First, that statement that "others think" I found immensely amusing and had to edit my post to delete the easy flame...

The poles will shift and reverse our gravity, eh? Um, since when do the magnetic poles affect our gravity? Magnetism does not have mass, while gravity clearly bears a strong relationship with mass. In fact physicists (people who likely paid attention in class) use the formula weight = mass x gravity on occasion. See how magnetism just isn't even in there?

How about a comment from a group of scientists (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm) on the horrible tragic event of our magnetic poles swapping...



Sometimes the field completely flips. The north and the south poles swap places. Such reversals, recorded in the magnetism of ancient rocks, are unpredictable. They come at irregular intervals averaging about 300,000 years; the last one was 780,000 years ago. Are we overdue for another? No one knows.
<snip>
They've also learned what happens during a magnetic flip. Reversals take a few thousand years to complete, and during that time--contrary to popular belief--the magnetic field does not vanish. "It just gets more complicated," says Glatzmaier. Magnetic lines of force near Earth's surface become twisted and tangled, and magnetic poles pop up in unaccustomed places. A south magnetic pole might emerge over Africa, for instance, or a north pole over Tahiti. Weird. But it's still a planetary magnetic field, and it still protects us from space radiation and solar storms.


Please refrain from posting on topics where you clearly have absolutely no education or understanding, it is painful for the rest of us to read this crap.

[JJ UK]

just thought i would throw in that it appears the world ends on my birthday? does that make me some kind of antichrist?

back on topic = im gonna have a read up on this - people have been wrong before but you never know

[Sanction]

just thought i would throw in that it appears the world ends on my birthday? does that make me some kind of antichrist?

back on topic = im gonna have a read up on this - people have been wrong before but you never know

You may very well BE, no one can know for sure. Well, maybe the Bible will know, it DID predict 9/11, Hitler, and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember. ;)

[1138]

I believe there's also a prophecy that the next Pope will bring about the end of the world. No, that was supposed to be John Paul II and he did more to save the world (in a metaphorical sense) than any person since probably Jesus. Or at least since the Council of Trent.

[Sanction]

Jeebus:

YouTube - Family guy jesus scene

[BlaZiN cdn]

I agree with LMA McLovin, the mayans probably got sick of making a calendar. I think the day is going to be like 6/6/06, the day is going to seem really weird just because of the date, but I don't think the world is just going to stop existing.

[LMA McLovin]

It won't end the world. I live in Colorado so I am in a fantastic position. If it floods, it won't be a mile high and if it even comes close to it I can head up into Breckenridge and I will be 2 miles up away from any flood. The mountains block much of the precipitation or storms and just push them out into the great plains. The only thing really to worry about is a blizzard of some sort.

Today in class I did ask my Biology teacher about this (she teaches AP Astronomical Studies, and some extra classes on Ecology, as well) and she tells me there is an absolute 100% chance that it won't happen. A polar shift does not happen on one day it happens over a broad period of time and not in a day alone. The only logical ending she sees in this is that possible is that a Nuclear war occurs and then people will be eliminated. Scientifically it is a no, but in terms on how the world is as a civilization then there is a chance.

I have faith, because Master Chief will save us. Can you guys imagine how ironic it would be if a giant flood was to come with alien like creatures. Haha, that would be so crazy.

[Bullet2theface]

It won't end the world. I live in Colorado so I am in a fantastic position. If it floods, it won't be a mile high and if it even comes close to it I can head up into Breckenridge and I will be 2 miles up away from any flood. The mountains block much of the precipitation or storms and just push them out into the great plains. The only thing really to worry about is a blizzard of some sort.

Today in class I did ask my Biology teacher about this (she teaches AP Astronomical Studies, and some extra classes on Ecology, as well) and she tells me there is an absolute 100% chance that it won't happen. A polar shift does not happen on one day it happens over a broad period of time and not in a day alone. The only logical ending she sees in this is that possible is that a Nuclear war occurs and then people will be eliminated. Scientifically it is a no, but in terms on how the world is as a civilization then there is a chance.

I have faith, because Master Chief will save us. Can you guys imagine how ironic it would be if a giant flood was to come with alien like creatures. Haha, that would be so crazy.
that would be awesome, cause everybody would be carrying shotguns. :)

[Bluntman428]

Stuff.

LOL, wow man, you took a lot of time out of your day to tear that to pieces. What's up your asshole? I was just sharing what information I had on the topic. I don't remember where I heard it, or I would've provided links. I did some research on it a few months ago, and that's what I read. Even if anything I said is false, there's still no reason to make it personal. You need to lighten up amigo, cause you got way too fuckin carried away.

On the topic, there's scientists on both sides of the argument. Why's that? Because no one knows what the fuck will happen. I didn't claim to know either, I just shared the info I've learned on the topic. Because it's, ya know, relevant to the topic.

And I don't care if you're a mod or not, your post was still out of line and way too aggressive, and I'm gonna call you on it. You weren't trying to debate my point, you went out of your way to make it personal. And quite frankly, you can kiss my ass.

[Avelena]

LOL, wow man, you took a lot of time out of your day to tear that to pieces. What's up your asshole? I was just sharing what information I had on the topic. I don't remember where I heard it, or I would've provided links.

No offense to you, but David obviously took a moment to locate some pretty good information from some respectable sources. If I were you, I would have actually done some research and provided some links before responding to him.

[Bluntman428]

No offense to you, but David obviously took a moment to locate some pretty good information from some respectable sources. If I were you, I would have actually done some research and provided some links before responding to him.

I'm not denying that he did. I'm just saying he didn't need to be such an arrogant twat about it. He took a friendly conversation about something that every single person who came in here knew wasn't a really serious topic, and made it hostile. Saying "I'm trying hard not to make this a personal attack" and "I had to edit my post to delete the easy flame" is the same thing as flaming, jackass.

Could I get sources? Yes, fairly easily, because I came across all of them by using google. Will I waste the time finding quotes from people with an opposite opinion than Creech's to try to prove his opinion wrong? Nope. People are just as back and forth about this topic as they were with Y2K. They've been arguing about it since Y2K turned out to be a fluke. Seems a bit ridiculous to argue about in the first place.

[Creech]

LOL, wow man, you took a lot of time out of your day to tear that to pieces.

About five minutes actually, not counting the time I spent editing out the personal slams, which I actually tried really hard to edit out.


On the topic, there's scientists on both sides of the argument. Why's that? Because no one knows what the fuck will happen. I didn't claim to know either, I just shared the info I've learned on the topic. Because it's, ya know, relevant to the topic.


I really doubt there are any scientists who agree that there is going to be a super conjunction of the planets in 2012. Seriously, if you want to claim that, give me a citation. We DO know what is going to happen, the planets orbits are pretty straightforward, even with relativity thrown in.

Ditto for the effect of magnetic fields on the gravity of the earth. Please give me a citation of someone with a serious degree who agrees with you.

Even your statement about the calendar being more accurate than anything we have is doubtful. Without hunting down a citation, as I recall their calculation of the solar year was incredibly accurate, but their calendar was actually tied to exactly 365 days and as such less accurate than what we have used for a couple hundred years. Since I am not going to look up a citation this time, I certainly don't mind admitting error on this if I am incorrect.


You weren't trying to debate my point, you went out of your way to make it personal. And quite frankly, you can kiss my ass.

You didn't have a point to debate. You made statements that you claimed were fact, but actually had nothing to do with reality. You even stated that "there is a lot of evidence pointing toward this as being true" which is one of two things...either a deliberate lie, which you should be called on, or a serious lack of ability to distinguish fact from fiction, which you should be called on. Liar or uneducated, take your pick. Either one is a statement of fact, not a personal attack.


And I don't care if you're a mod or not, your post was still out of line and way too aggressive, and I'm gonna call you on it.

The fact that I am a mod does not in any way give me the right to violate the code of conduct of the site. If anything, I should be held to a higher standard. If you feel my post was too aggressive, there is a complaint board for that purpose, or you can report my post by clicking on that option and every mod, super-mod, and admin will be notified immediately via email of your opinion.

On the other hand, being a mod does NOT remove my ability to state my opinion, respond to other people, or participate on the board. I read your post and unlike most of the other posts in the thread, you stated it as fact and not "might be true but might not". It was most definitely NOT fact.

All that aside, I definitely offer my apologies if my statements are offensive to you. My point of posting was to correct blatant errors that were being presented as facts. I previewed my post three times, going through and deleting statements that were clearly personal attacks because I was trying to avoid that. I left the sarcasm in because, frankly, I felt it was warranted.

[PerpetualHeaven]

People on here may practice a religion, but just the same, people may think religion is bullshit.

So both have equal rights to shout out whatever they feel should be said.

But I believe religion has ZERO importance in the end of the world. That's my humble opinion.

I think you're a psychotic moronic piece of garbage that should have been aborted (I don't actually mean it). I just thought of that at the spur of the moment to prove a point. Can't really always shout out what you want. Chances are it will start a flame war or someone will get offended. I've definitely learned my lesson in the "offending" department. Religion of all things is impossible to call bullshit or to say that all the beliefs are truly 100% real. It is a subject that no one will ever be able to expand on with empirical evidence and therefore should be not discussed in conversation amongst atheists and religious people.

Hey I'm Dave! Weeeeee

Creech, why are you spamming? ;) I made that up but anyways I can understand why Creech may have posted his "post" in that manner. Some people who are interested in a particular topic cannot really tolerate what they may consider "crap" posted.

Anyways, on the alignment of planets, I think most people assume that the planets align in a straight line. That's not what actually happens but either way, who is to say that this particular alignment is different then the other ones that have occurred? If you do a quick google, you'll see that almost none of them had huge affects on earth or on the planet that was involved. Then again, most of them didn't have earth very close to the other planets. From what I have been reading, it really depends on how close other planets are to earth that will have an affect. Most have been minimal thus far. Now, if we align and suddenly an asteroid smacks into us.. a fairly big asteroid at that, then we can yell apocalypse.

[J eVeRy DaY 514]

You may very well BE, no one can know for sure. Well, maybe the Bible will know, it DID predict 9/11, Hitler, and a bunch of other stuff I can't remember. ;)

i saw a thing about that on Unsolved Mysteries.-- very interesting nonetheless, but if you look for something hard enough, you will find it. meaning, you could probably go into the Bible & do the "bible code" thing, and probably find a lot of "predictions" that were wrong or never happened.

anyways, very interesting thread. I'm sure enjoying reading everyone's posts.

[Tussell]

I think you're a psychotic moronic piece of garbage that should have been aborted (I don't actually mean it). I just thought of that at the spur of the moment to prove a point. Can't really always shout out what you want. Chances are it will start a flame war or someone will get offended. I've definitely learned my lesson in the "offending" department. Religion of all things is impossible to call bullshit or to say that all the beliefs are truly 100% real. It is a subject that no one will ever be able to expand on with empirical evidence and therefore should be not discussed in conversation amongst atheists and religious people.

Care to expand? I read it as if there may have been a typo. Because it's easy to call religion bullshit.

Now, I know you may just change your real though, to go against me. But people think ghosts are bullshit. What's the difference between 'God' and a ghost?

-They're both invisible
-They're both unexplained
-They both can't be proven

I think something that can't be proven, is complete bullshit. :)

And to tie in the whole 2012 thing, that's bullshit too. There is no proof that they intended to mark the end of time by finishing the calendar.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Care to expand? I read it as if there may have been a typo. Because it's easy to call religion bullshit.

Now, I know you may just change your real though, to go against me. But people think ghosts are bullshit. What's the difference between 'God' and a ghost?

-They're both invisible
-They're both unexplained
-They both can't be proven

I think something that can't be proven, is complete bullshit. :)

And to tie in the whole 2012 thing, that's bullshit too. There is no proof that they intended to mark the end of time by finishing the calendar.

If your opinion has nothing to contribute and will only create controversy, leave it be. Plain and simple. I wrote this huge thing and I know my point will be missed so I summed it up as best as possible. Just like if you think being gay is bullshit, that's your opinion but you'll offend gay people.

[Tussell]

If it can't be proven, I'm trying to say come up with a logical statement.

One thing/'god' creating everything, seems like bullshit.

Seems a lot more bullshitier than not.

Hence the reason this is bullshit.

A civilization who believed in a God Of Maize, is in my book, a civilization who may have a hard time guessing when the world is ending.

I know that I have somewhat made a fool of myself, due to not fully explaining myself, because I hate typing long threads.

(Also, I know this has turned into a 'heated' religious debate. But this does have a lot to do with religion.)

But I think that living your life for something that isn't PROVEN isn't really a life at all. That's all I'm going to say about religion.

So fuck da police. :)

[PerpetualHeaven]

If it can't be proven, I'm trying to say come up with a logical statement.

One thing/'god' creating everything, seems like bullshit.

Seems a lot more bullshitier than not.

Hence the reason this is bullshit.

A civilization who believed in a God Of Maize, is in my book, a civilization who may have a hard time guessing when the world is ending.

I know that I have somewhat made a fool of myself, due to not fully explaining myself, because I hate typing long threads.

(Also, I know this has turned into a 'heated' religious debate. But this does have a lot to do with religion.)

But I think that living your life for something that isn't PROVEN isn't really a life at all. That's all I'm going to say about religion.

So fuck da police. :)

Whatever you say. Just keep controversial things to yourself and avoid pissing people off. It's simple as that. No use pissing off your fellow members because of a simple thing like that.

[Bullet2theface]

My point of posting was to correct blatant errors that were being presented as facts. If your point of posting was to correct blatan errors, why do you tell Bluntman428 (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/member.php?u=3081) that he is uneducated, based on the information he collected over the internet, none which he himself has made up.

Edit - Tusell, I guess we will have to wait and see won't we?

This is how I see it;

If religion is real, then if I had committed nothing bad such as killing, or cheating then I hopefully will go to heaven, because I do believe in the Bible, but in your case what would happen to you? since you call religion bullshit, then you would not take it offensively but telling you you might end up in hell. So if there is religion, then you would be screwed correct?
Now another point I have, is if religion was not real, then what would happen? I would end up in the same place as you, peacefully dead in the earth, but I would have had something to look forward before I die, If religion is not real, I would still had the thought of being in Heaven with my family and friends which would make an old man happy, but to an atheist he would not think of anything but rotting in the ground, or that he has lived a good long life.

In conclusion, why take a chance? you have nothing to lose, but if you don't take a chance, and religion turns out to be true, then you would have something to lose.

Edit - to stop this topic from being closed, lets keep it clean, lets not use the word "bullshit" but far fetched?

[Pez]

Jeez this interesting topic is gonna turn into a flame-fest. I thought this was a really good topic to discuss.

Maybe this should be closed before damage is done?

~SS

[Bullet2theface]

Jeez this interesting topic is gonna turn into a flame-fest. I thought this was a really good topic to discuss.

Maybe this should be closed before damage is done?

~SS
Although my opinion does not matter, I would like to see this topic still open.:p

[ACEZK1]

nobody knows whats going to happen and if "something" happens let it...is still 5 years away and what does this have anything to do with gameing

[PerpetualHeaven]

STAY OFF THE TOPIC OF RELIGION. We're talking Mayans here and the year 2012. That's it.

[Pez]

nobody knows whats going to happen and if "something" happens let it...is still 5 years away and what does this have anything to do with gameing

It doesn't have anything to do with gaming, therefore it is in the 'General Off Topic' section. ;)

I posted a quote from a website earlier in this thread, which published information about Nostradamus, that said that the end of the world would come sometime in 3786 or 3797. We would however, endure wars roughly around 2012 that would threaten humanity as we know it if we don't act properly.

Just thought I'd bring that up. Website I got this info from is also in the post I posted earlier in this thread.

~SS

[Bullet2theface]

nobody knows whats going to happen and if "something" happens let it...is still 5 years away and what does this have anything to do with gameing
This is in General Off Topic, If you can read.

[Creech]

If your point of posting was to correct blatan errors, why do you tell Bluntman428 (http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/member.php?u=3081) that he is uneducated, based on the information he collected over the internet, none which he himself has made up.


I would be interested in you providing a quote from Bluntman428's first post that stated he collected via the internet the "facts" he provided, and maybe one of those sites that he used.

You can't do it.

Wanting something to be true, and saying it is true, have nothing to do with science.

I really couldn't care less about the whole Mayan 2012 mythology interpretation. The only reason I even read the thread was as part of my duties as a mod. What irks me (my passion, to tie into Perp's comments) is people stating that science or scientists support a position that is based on hyperbole, misinformation, lies, and plain ordinary cow excrement. That is how I perceived Bluntman428's post, and the reason I responded.

I have no intention of trying to convince stupid people to change their opinions about whatever doomsday or prophecy they want to invest their time and money in.

[Honkymagoo]

The Acient Mayan couldn't possibly do that. I mean, c'mon, back then, people though dancing brought on changes in weather.

I've been hearing this bullshit for a long time. This is just like Y2K.

But my luck, it's all true, and I'll be the one to look like the douchebag.

Until then, talk shit about the Mayans because they're not here to defend themselves. :)

If the world ends, who cares if you look like a douchebag? Honestly if the world ends I could give a damn. Humanity sucks and the end of it would be nothing but good.

[killlah631]

I personally don't think anything will happen in "2012"...there has been so many theories about things like this in the past.

[Bullet2theface]

I would be interested in you providing a quote from Bluntman428's first post that stated he collected via the internet the "facts" he provided, and maybe one of those sites that he used.

You can't do it.

Wanting something to be true, and saying it is true, have nothing to do with science.

I really couldn't care less about the whole Mayan 2012 mythology interpretation. The only reason I even read the thread was as part of my duties as a mod. What irks me (my passion, to tie into Perp's comments) is people stating that science or scientists support a position that is based on hyperbole, misinformation, lies, and plain ordinary cow excrement. That is how I perceived Bluntman428's post, and the reason I responded.

I have no intention of trying to convince stupid people to change their opinions about whatever doomsday or prophecy they want to invest their time and money in.
For the record, I don't believe any of this, theres no possible way to determine when the world is going end, Its seriously is impossible, an alien race can come and blow us up all to pieces tomorrow, although I do believe that the world is going to end, just the question I ask is when, which there would be no answer to, considering what I said above, anything can happen at any given time.

[Illution]

Who cares? Live your life and don't worry, the end of the world could come in 5 minutes for all we know.. Maybe the next day, the next week, next month at 11:00 PM.. But it could happen.. I mean the chances of our earth being positioned just the right distance from the sun is pretty crazy eh????? Ya............. ya....

[Bluntman428]

I would be interested in you providing a quote from Bluntman428's first post that stated he collected via the internet the "facts" he provided, and maybe one of those sites that he used.

You can't do it.


I was unaware that it was required to provide links to where you heard everything in your post. That's the most retarded thing I've heard in awhile. Granted some "facts" in my post may be incorrect, but I never said I was an expert on 2012. Most of what I posted was shit I saw in the shows on the History Channel and the Discovery Channel.

The only "fact" in my post which was really incorrect was that the planets would align, which I must've misinterpreted when I read the info about the solar system's alignment at the bottom of the galaxy. Everything else was just theories different groups have on the matter. The other facts, like the things on the Mayans and the Baktuns, was 100% true. So you spent all that time and got all worked up about one incorrect fact in my post. Bravo amigo, excellent work. :rolleyes:


Wanting something to be true, and saying it is true, have nothing to do with science.

Actually, that's pretty much all science is. That's why scientists are constantly being proven wrong.

Where did I say I wanted anything in my post to be true again? And what does that have to do with the topic?

I really couldn't care less about the whole Mayan 2012 mythology interpretation. The only reason I even read the thread was as part of my duties as a mod. What irks me (my passion, to tie into Perp's comments) is people stating that science or scientists support a position that is based on hyperbole, misinformation, lies, and plain ordinary cow excrement. That is how I perceived Bluntman428's post, and the reason I responded.

Riiight. So, your mod duties entail going into threads and launching ridiculous personal attacks that derail the entire thread? Maybe that's why most of the older members don't respect the new "mods". No one respects cheaters and self-righteous douchebags really.

I have no intention of trying to convince stupid people to change their opinions about whatever doomsday or prophecy they want to invest their time and money in.

Stupid people, huh? I never said I believed any of this shit, I only posted to share what info I had on the subject. Whether you think the info or the opinions of people who believe in it are stupid or not is regardless. Frankly, I couldn't care less what your opinion about it is anyway, because it's become blatantly obvious from your posts that this thread that you're a complete tool.

[PerpetualHeaven]

Okay, I'm just going to close this before it really gets out of hand. We all got to say what we wanted and now we're all happy. If you want to say anything further, take it to the PMs.