Vick pleads guilty

[Mr Arrow]

No surprise I guess - brief story here.

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2046646420070820?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

[Shaaady Souljah]

i know its not a sport story. but he is an athlete... so im moving it.

[codedigital]

He should have gotten more time than that in my opinion. He's one sick fucker.

[Rocket]

Guess that is it for him...I hope they nail his ass to the wall....he deserves whatever punishment he gets...

EDIT: Just read what he is facing...that is some bull...he is getting off light...they better not let his ass back in the NFL, but we all know they will...

[patches4711]

He is getting off way to easy I hope they give him a lifetime ban from the NFL what a complete loser he is...

[Smokez]

Honestly think about it, Who doesn't wanna watch Vick play? I love Michael Vick and think he is the most exciting thing to watch in NFL when he is able to play like himself. All of the other people who were getting charged with this wanted to plea and make him look like the bad guy. Do I think it's right if he really did do this? NO, but do I want him back in the NFL? Hell Yes.

[Tussell]

The guy is a piece of shit. Good athlete, but a piece of shit.

[Rocket]

Honestly think about it, Who doesn't wanna watch Vick play? I love Michael Vick and think he is the most exciting thing to watch in NFL when he is able to play like himself. All of the other people who were getting charged with this wanted to plea and make him look like the bad guy. Do I think it's right if he really did do this? NO, but do I want him back in the NFL? Hell Yes.

Don't take this the wrong way Smokez, but you have a habit of being the "cheerleader" for the bad guy. Benoit and now Vick. I'm not trying to get into anything with you, it's not like that...just an observation I have made...

[Tele-Rock]

I'm curious as to how stiff his sentence will be. Hopefully with 3 peoples testimony against him regarding the actual execution of the dogs he will be forced into the majority of the time he faces.

I'm especially curious on the NFL's reaction to this.

Lifetime ban anyone? If they connect him closely enough to the money exchanges at the match, it's a possibility.

[Cyrex]

We all know that he will rejoin the NFL the only thing is that if he was not able to keep playing for the falcons he would still have enough money to retire then and there and not have to work anywhere else. Vick is already has the record for the largest NFL contract when he signed for the falcons a few years back and i think that he already has booked 70mil in NFL contracts. Not including all the extra stuff that he has invested in and has advertising in. Every shoe deal and advertising campaign that he has been a part of has been destroyed but he still have between 70-100 million in his account so he really has nothing to worry about other than not being able to play the game that he loves :drunk

[codedigital]

Don't take this the wrong way Smokez, but you have a habit of being the "cheerleader" for the bad guy. Benoit and now Vick. I'm not trying to get into anything with you, it's not like that...just an observation I have made...

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read it. Man...do you honestly think he deserves it? No.

This isn't turning into another flame like the one on the Benoit deal but I would be pretty pissed at the NFL if they let him be back in. Let's just send a message that celebrities are above the law. Screw that. I don't want my kids watching some dumbass playing football who slits the throat of dogs and worse...simply because he can play ball.

[Jagz Killah]

The guy is a piece of shit. Good athlete, but a piece of shit.

He's not good he's decent. He can't pass in the pocket, all he does is scramble and run 60 yards downfield. Did that get them to the Superbowl? No What he did was uncalled for and he should spend the rest of his life in jail along with the PAC MAN Jones another asshole who got off easy.

Mike vick is as overrated as Ben Roethlisberger and Vince Young are.

[Gr0infro]

It won't be a lifetime ban (as much as I want it to be) but it will be long enough that he won't be playing in the near future. What will probably happen (read something to this effect somewhere on ESPN a while ago) is that he won't be able to get back into the NFL because it would take an GM with some huge nuts to put up with the media frenzy and the protests and the boycotts just to have a good QB. If he wants to keep playing he will have to try to play in the CFL or the AFL and see what the reactions to him are there first before anyone would even begin to give him a chance in the NFL.

[codedigital]

It won't be a lifetime ban (as much as I want it to be) but it will be long enough that he won't be playing in the near future. What will probably happen (read something to this effect somewhere on ESPN a while ago) is that he won't be able to get back into the NFL because it would take an GM with some huge nuts to put up with the media frenzy and the protests and the boycotts just to have a good QB. If he wants to keep playing he will have to try to play in the CFL or the AFL and see what the reactions to him are there first before anyone would even begin to give him a chance in the NFL.

Bobby Knight still has a job...

[Smokez]

Don't take this the wrong way Smokez, but you have a habit of being the "cheerleader" for the bad guy. Benoit and now Vick. I'm not trying to get into anything with you, it's not like that...just an observation I have made...

I have never once said what they did was right. Vick hasn't been found guilty, he only plead because if he didn't his charges would have been very bad. He will be in jail for 18 months and probably a 1year suspension from NFL. Then returning in 2010. I like Vick as a football player, and he is one of my favorite players besides Chris Chambers. Another bad guy I like I guess is Ricky Williams.

@Jags Killah - Let me guess you think the Jags QBs are better then Vick or the other 2 you named? How are you gonna say Vick is only decent. He can throw the ball but it isn't his strong point. He has great scrambling skills and his rushing yards prove that. Can you name another QB to rush for over a 1000 yards in a single season?How about a team with 2 players with over 1000 yards rushing? No, face the facts the Atlanta rushing is one of the greatest we have seen. Vince Young OVERRATED?!? Do you not watch football? Look at what he did for the Titans in his 1ST SEASON. Big Ben went 15-0 his first Season and Won the Superbowl. No one has even done that there Rookie Season. He got into an accident and injured which has made him soft but in 06 he did better.

[Slane]

Who didn't think he was going to plead guilty? There was talks of people from his ring pleading guilty just so he could get a lighter sentence.

I'm not surprised at all, at the outcome. Ever since I first heard about it I knew it was going to happen. Personally he should get the maximum sentence just like a ring leader of all other dog fighting rings get, but he won't. The beauty of america's justice system.

[Rocket]

I have never once said what they did was right. Vick hasn't been found guilty, he only plead because if he didn't his charges would have been very bad. He will be in jail for 18 months and probably a 1year suspension from NFL. Then returning in 2010. I like Vick as a football player, and he is one of my favorite players besides Chris Chambers. Another bad guy I like I guess is Ricky Williams.



He plead guilty because he is guilty. Making him guilty. There is no difference in him pleading guilty and being found guilty. Only thing that is different is he was semi-man enough to stand up and say it. He did it so he wouldn't have to face a public trial and lesser sentence. Which he shouldn't get. Celebrity status should have no bearing on the law, but yet it does. Your looking at the celeb side of things...see, once someone does something horrendous like this, all those good deeds fly out the window...It's like saying, oh you killed those dogs, thats ok your a NFL player who I still like to watch. I HAD a Vick Jersey, but don't anymore...I threw that thing in the trash, which is where his career went as soon as he did this...

[Smokez]

He plead guilty because he is guilty. Making him guilty. There is no difference in him pleading guilty and being found guilty. Only thing that is different is he was semi-man enough to stand up and say it. He did it so he wouldn't have to face a public trial and lesser sentence. Which he shouldn't get. Celebrity status should have no bearing on the law, but yet it does. Your looking at the celeb side of things...see, once someone does something horrendous like this, all those good deeds fly out the window...It's like saying, oh you killed those dogs, thats ok your a NFL player who I still like to watch. I HAD a Vick Jersey, but don't anymore...I threw that thing in the trash, which is where his career went as soon as he did this...

So your telling me if your dad was in Vicks place you would destroy him from your life for good? I have 3 Vick jerseys and I will still wear them. But your looking at how you were raised and your values while mine are completely different from yours. Just because someone does something horrible doesn't mean you have to lose all respect for them what they have done in there life. Thats just like someone having a gamerscore of 90K and they gamesave 75 points. And then they feel bad about it and restart. From what I have read from you, you will forgive him and respect what he is doing. It's the samething

EDIT : Yes there is a difference in someone pleading guilty and being guilty. I have seen it before. Hell even I have plead guilty for something I didn't do so I could move on. (3 years ago I was in a parking lot and while I backing up a guy stood on the side of my car and didn't move. After I passed him he fell down and started to grab his knee saying I ran his ankle over. He was mexican and didn't speak or understand english from we found out. He tried to get money from me and take me to court 5 months after it happened and was still saying his "ankle hurt". So we started get him in trouble for fraud and he decided to drop everything.)
I plead guilty but wasn't so when you say there is no difference is wrong. Yes most of the time it's true but you can't say there is NO DIFFERENCE .

[Rocket]

So your telling me if your dad was in Vicks place you would destroy him from your life for good? I have 3 Vick jerseys and I will still wear them. But your looking at how you were raised and your values while mine are completely different from yours. Just because someone does something horrible doesn't mean you have to lose all respect for them what they have done in there life. Thats just like someone having a gamerscore of 90K and they gamesave 75 points. And then they feel bad about it and restart. From what I have read from you, you will forgive him and respect what he is doing. It's the samething

Your posts make no sense man, I'm sorry but they don't. Where in any post I have made about vick have I said I will forgive him? Or respect him? I respect the fact that he was semi-man enough to plea guilty. But not what he has done. He was an amazing athelete, but this totally diminishes all of what he did. I'm not going to go into this with you any more man, you believe your way, I'll believe mine

[Smokez]

I never said you were gonna forgive or that you respected Vick. I said you would forgive someone for GameSaving but not for this. And like I said before I have my Values and you have yours. I don't think either is wrong or right, it's how diffrent our lives are. But I still don't see how ANY of my posts don't make sense.

[codedigital]

I never said you were gonna forgive or that you respected Vick. I said you would forgive someone for GameSaving but not for this. And like I said before I have my Values and you have yours. I don't think either is wrong or right, it's how diffrent our lives are. But I still don't see how ANY of my posts don't make sense.

I guess because it seems, from your posts, that you value football/wrestling skills over life...

I think gamesaving isn't even in the same category as these people. Gamesavers are that crap that gathers at the corner of your lips while these other people you respect are the shit out of my ass. Pardon the gross there. :)

[Smokez]

I Value football/wrestling skills over life?!? WTF, that makes no sense to me.

Yes gamesaving isn't in the same category as murder and dog fighting. Thats wasn't the point I was trying to pass. I was saying that he would forgive a gamesaver and respect him if he admitted to it and stopped but would totally whipe away the records Vick has done because of this.

[codedigital]

I Value football/wrestling skills over life?!? WTF, that makes no sense to me.

Yes gamesaving isn't in the same category as murder and dog fighting. Thats wasn't the point I was trying to pass. I was saying that he would forgive a gamesaver and respect him if he admitted to it and stopped but would totally whipe away the records Vick has done because of this.

Probably because a gamesaver cheated on a game while Vick slit the throats and drowned living creatures because they couldn't kill other living creatures so he could turn a profit.

EDIT: And I say that because every time someone takes a life(s) and we've discussed it...you've said, "He took a life, but he's still great! I want him back!" Or something along those lines. They took life, I don't give a crap if they work at McDonald's, play NFL, or wrestle in the WWE or whatever. They're done. They've taken life. Unforgivable and unexcusable. Maybe I was just taught to value life a little more. Or maybe that's something you come to respect with age.

I don't want this turning into a flame...so I'm not posting anymore unless it's worthwhile.

[SegaSaturnSNK]

ESPN is covering this bullshit and I wanted to see Around The Horn. Hopefully they'll show the 6 pm show and if not, I'm pissed off. Who fucking cares if he pleads guilty or not? Don't go ahead and cancel a show for the day just for some idiot that likes to kill his dogs because they couldn't fight. Stupid ass people. Of course though no one cares about parts of Asia and other areas killing dogs and cats and eating them but they care for Micheal Vick just killing a couple of dogs.

[Krueger]

its a sad day for a guy who had many things going for him he hit rock bottom

[Shinobi273]

I need proof before I accept that he is guilty. Not him just saying "I did it" lol

Too bad there isn't justice like in the old days, where there was irony in the punishment, like having his dogs let loose on him for a few minutes.

[Hulking Bubba65]

I honestly could care less.He is just a celebrity who thinks he can do what ever the hell he wants or feels like doing.It doesn't matter if he plead guilty or not, the damage has been done.His career is basically done as of now.When he gets back from jail and a year long suspension(I hope permanate)in 2010(if he does) he'll be 31.And he will not want to be messed with by any GMs because of all the controversy.I personnally have never liked Michael Vick, i actually hate him, but this is just ridiculous.In other words fuck you Michelle Vick!!!!!!!!


P.S. I hope he gets butt raped in prison, he deservres it.

[SegaSaturnSNK]

P.S. I hope he gets butt raped in prison, he deservres it.

Doggy style?

[Shinobi273]

Doggy style?

Hahaha that would definately be justice.

[Hulking Bubba65]

Doggy style?
Yes, By a big man Bob who is secretly loves and shares a cell with Michelle Vick but decides to his to wake up from his bunk and suprise!(hump.hump):eek:.But soon after that it is time for him to go take a shower with all the inmates, but he drops the soap:eek:!And the rest is history;).

[BackerMan]

I was hoping that he refuse the plea deal then the charges will be add more. I don't think he'll return to the NFL after his short time in prison., probably to CFL or AFL.

[Jdm7399]

I actually just saw this on the news.

I truly believe Vick's career in the NFL is done for, even though some say he'll be back. If he indeeds, does come back...that would be a slap in the face for the NFL and its' Commissioner. I have confidence in Roger Goodell.

[Bluntman428]

I don't give a shit how well he plays a silly little game, or how fast he can run.

Torturing and killing innocent dogs for money isn't a game. If anyone thinks he should be allowed his million dollar salary and shit again after what he did, you're a sad individual with some fucked up priorities. He had a golden opportunity to play a damn game for a living, making more money than most of us will see in a lifetime, and he blew it. Fuck him, I hope he rots in jail, and he never gets the chance to pick up a football again. He might be good at playing a game, but he sucks at life.

Personally, I think they should forget about the jail sentence and stick him in a cage for an hour with the dogs he abused for years. Then we'd really see how fast he can run.

[Maka]

Honestly, Vick was probably in my top 3 favourite players of all time before this. I loved the way he played, and the Falcons would always be the team I rooted for (Behind the Colts) but now it's all gone. You cant compare something like this to someone who gamesaves, Smokez, its not the same, and he's been doing it for 6 years? What he's done is almost as bad as murder or possibly worse.

How can you say he's not guilty, when he pleaded guilty. I understand the differences in sentences between, which can factor a decision, but if he didnt do it, there would be no proof, therefore he would have nothing to be scarred off. But the proof is huge. 3 Testimonies, a pit at his house and pictures along with videos.

As for what the NFL does with him, I hope they ban him forever. And if they dont, it doesnt matter because he wilbe the mot hated player on the field no matter where he goes. Nobody will ever like him. In a poll, I saw on a sportstation on tv, 60% of people believed he should be banned forever, 30% believed a temporary ban would be best, and 10% of people mis-read the question; and replied that he should be allowed.

[Walcherina]

All I have to say is you have to be a pretty big punk to fight pitbulls, especially if you've already got millions of dollars. And the business about killing the dogs that didn't win, what a tool. His buddies used the shit out of him. I've lost all respect for the guy.

[alex4283]

The main difference that makes Vick a total P.O.S. isn't the fact that what he did was a criminal act, but it surpasses what is ethical as far as natural law goes.

It just seems to me that, even if I were a multi millionaire and I had multiple houses, I'd at least know that dozens of dogs were being kept at one of them for odd reasons and what my family was doing with them. Even if Vick didn't take place in the fighting, he still enabled the whole situation by turning the other cheek.

His lawyers know to take the negotiation. God forbid he sees a binding arbitration...

The biggest slap in the face is where Donaghy could get 25 years for some bets and 1 fluke call per game, but Vick was involved with brutally killing animals in severely inhumane ways and will probably get 1 year 6 months- tops.

[deej brutal]

i seriously hope he gets banned from the nfl, torturing animals the way he did is totally screwed up and he should be treated the same way he treated those dogs

[Drewdude1023]

i seriously hope he gets banned from the nfl, torturing animals the way he did is totally screwed up and he should be treated the same way he treated those dogs

i agree dude

[iskoot]

So your telling me if your dad was in Vicks place you would destroy him from your life for good? I have 3 Vick jerseys and I will still wear them. But your looking at how you were raised and your values while mine are completely different from yours. Just because someone does something horrible doesn't mean you have to lose all respect for them what they have done in there life. Thats just like someone having a gamerscore of 90K and they gamesave 75 points. And then they feel bad about it and restart. From what I have read from you, you will forgive him and respect what he is doing. It's the samething

EDIT : Yes there is a difference in someone pleading guilty and being guilty. I have seen it before. Hell even I have plead guilty for something I didn't do so I could move on. (3 years ago I was in a parking lot and while I backing up a guy stood on the side of my car and didn't move. After I passed him he fell down and started to grab his knee saying I ran his ankle over. He was mexican and didn't speak or understand english from we found out. He tried to get money from me and take me to court 5 months after it happened and was still saying his "ankle hurt". So we started get him in trouble for fraud and he decided to drop everything.)
I plead guilty but wasn't so when you say there is no difference is wrong. Yes most of the time it's true but you can't say there is NO DIFFERENCE .


/start rant

How seriously fucked up in the head are you?!?!?! You are going to sit there at you damn computer and stick up for this piece of shit athlete, and justify to yourself and others that he may be innocent but that he just wants to put this behind him...DUDE YOU SERIOUSLY NEED TO RETHINK THAT!!!! You don't just simply plead guilty to this huge of a charge to get on with your life. He's a freaking multi-millionaire, if he thought for one damn second that there was any chance that he could get acquited, you'd be seeing a rehash of the Simpson Trail. But no, the fucker knew there was to much shit on him and that he was a dead beat fuck if he tried to take it to court, (probably would have been drug through the mud & shit and would have been charged and found guilty on many charges, and he would have been made an example of and he would have gotten some severe time), so he took the plead to get less jail time...but guess what? That's all that piece of shit is getting is less time in jail, you can take it to the bank that the new commish is gonna make an example of him, just like he has been with everyone this year, and he'll be banned for life, no coming back. END OF STORY. And yeah, I hope someone takes advantage of him, just like the movie American History X. Because lord knows that ASSHOLE needs it.

/end rant

[codedigital]

To the guy above me...you should really watch your language and name calling. There's no need for it.

[iskoot]

To the guy above me...you should really watch your language and name calling. There's no need for it.
yeah....cause you've never used the f-word in this thread...oh wait He should have gotten more time than that in my opinion. He’s one sick fucker.

But anyways, yeah, it probably was wrong of me to be so harsh, but if there is anything I can't stand more it's people who stand up for athletes who have broken the law and feel they deserve a break. I feel that just because they are an athlete or a millionaire it doesn't put them above the law. If that was just some shmuck down the road, we would all agree that he should get maximum punishment and we wouldn't care that it would ruin the rest of his life, but because it's an athlete, we should just slap him on the wrist and let him get on with his career! WHATEVER. It's all the more reason why they should get stiffer penalties, after all, these are the same people that kids look up to. What a joke that people think that these role models should get of easy...cause yeah, that's setting a great standard for our kids. Anyways, I'm sorry if I offended you, or anyone else, but I'm not sorry if I offended Smokez or like minded individuals.

[codedigital]

yeah....cause you've never used the f-word in this thread...oh wait

But anyways, yeah, it probably was wrong of me to be so harsh, but if there is anything I can't stand more it's people who stand up for athletes who have broken the law and feel they deserve a break. I feel that just because they are an athlete or a millionaire it doesn't put them above the law. If that was just some shmuck down the road, we would all agree that he should get maximum punishment and we wouldn't care that it would ruin the rest of his life, but because it's an athlete, we should just slap him on the wrist and let him get on with his career! WHATEVER. It's all the more reason why they should get stiffer penalties, after all, these are the same people that kids look up to. What a joke that people think that these role models should get of easy...cause yeah, that's setting a great standard for our kids. Anyways, I'm sorry if I offended you, or anyone else, but I'm not sorry if I offended Smokez or like minded individuals.

You didn't offend me...what I meant was what you were calling Smokez. I don't agree with him either but we shouldn't, as a community, call each other names.

[iskoot]

You didn't offend me...what I meant was what you were calling Smokez. I don't agree with him either but we shouldn't, as a community, call each other names.
Point taken...I edited that little name calling part out.

[TimmayTheTurtle]

he better plead guilty :p

[Rocket]

Just seen on CNN...the NAACP is backing Vick and asking the NFL to show Mercy upon him...

[L3giOn]

Just seen on CNN...the NAACP is backing Vick and asking the NFL to show Mercy upon him...

Of course they are, because he's fucking black. That's bullshit. He's guilty of torturing animals and if it were up to me I'd give him the death penalty. The NAACP needs to stop pulling the race card, get their heads out of their ass, and look at what's really happening.

[iskoot]

Just seen on CNN...the NAACP is backing Vick and asking the NFL to show Mercy upon him...
WOW...what a bunch of bullshit! I can't believe that anyone would support this behaviour?! And yet that's exactly what they are doing. :uzi:NAACP

[Graham31004]

Vick has nobody to blame but himself. =/

[Shaaady Souljah]

you have to kind of go easy on the NAACP though... they are basically stuck in a lose-lose situation. if they support him like this, they seem wrong, stupid, falsely-victimized, etc, etc. but if they do not support him, they are going to seem like they do not support the people that made them who they are (not in the eyes of most, but in the eyes of it's members).

i do agree though. it is extreme B.S. to support what he did. if he was white, yellow, green or purple, people would be reacting to his horrific acts in the same way.

[Comon ST]

The bitch better get a lifetime ban from playing Football. Not in Europe, Not in the CFL, not in the AFL. He deserves shit all. When I heard that all of his adorsement deals backed out on him, and Reebok won't sell his Jerseys any more, I was freaking glad. I also had a bunch of Vick memorablila. Its in a fucking box in a nearby dumpster. Its worth fuck all, just like his pitifle life.

[iskoot]

you have to kind of go easy on the NAACP though... they are basically stuck in a lose-lose situation. if they support him like this, they seem wrong, stupid, falsely-victimized, etc, etc. but if they do not support him, they are going to seem like they do not support the people that made them who they are (not in the eyes of most, but in the eyes of it's members).
I'm gonna have to disagree with you here...while they may be in a lose-lose situation, they need to face the truth and say "Make an example of him" The NAACP is supposedly there for black who have been wronged because they are black...I'm sorry but I'm 100% sure that is NOT the case here. That being said, NAACP needs to grow a set of balls, and feed Vick to wolves. And then when some other black person starts some shit about how they are betraying there own, that's when they slap him in the back of the head and tell him to pull his head out of his ass.

[naptownsteeler]

Like many others I hope he is banned from the NFL for life. What he did is horrible. I also hope this judge that they say is known for giving out harsh punishments does just that. Anything less than 3 years I will be very disappointed.( i would love to see 5 but I know that is not going to happen) And with a little luck he will be treated like one of his dogs while he serves his time.

[deej brutal]

Just seen on CNN...the NAACP is backing Vick and asking the NFL to show Mercy upon him...



did anyone else see what stephon marbury said about this situation also? how he said dogfighting is a sport, only behind closed doors? :uzi:

[TheLazyWolf]

Yea i saw that. Hes an idiot. Seriously though i think people could get over the dogfighting thing, its the way he tortured and killed the ones that didnt perform well that is so disturbing.

[infradude]

He addmitted to dog fighting...click (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-michaelvick&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[veritas347]

well although this was a dumb thing o do at least he finally told the truth

[Shaaady Souljah]

well although this was a dumb thing o do at least he finally told the truth

except not. ;)

he is admitting to being present when dogs were killed, but is claiming he had nothing to do with it. even though there are 3 people saying otherwise.

[matthewaburns]

First drugs now dog fighting, what a role model for kids huh

[iskoot]

Thank God the commish is continuing to show that he has a pair of balls, and thank god the NAACP didn't get there wish of 'mercy' For more read here, http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7153814?MSNHPHCP&gt1=10347