Unbreakable.

[Wolf]

Now that Barry Bonds has eclipsed Hank Aaron, it's time for our personal opinions on records that are, simply, unbreakable. I will present to you, in my opinion, five records that will never fall. Feel free to add your own or dispute any.

1. Cy Young- 511 Career Wins

Just thinking about the magnitude of this hurts. To even come within striking distance, a pitcher would have to average 25 wins per season over a twenty year career, and even then he'd still be eleven short. In an era when a no decision is as frequent as a double, it would take a sheer anomaly of nature to break this mark.2. Wayne Gretzky- 215 Points in One Season

I'm trying to keep this at one per player per sport (though there will be one double), so picking which Gretzky record to choose from is incredibly difficult. The fact is, Gretzky is the greatest athlete in any sport who will ever live, and there was only one Pittsburgh Penguin who could dare to challenge that, and his name isn't Sidney Crosby. Gretzky's 215 points are simply Herculean. He is almost a full 100 over last season's leader, with more assists than that player's total points, I might add, and during the drought of the late 90's and early 2000's, his number would often be more than the top two players combined. What's even more amazing is that this wasn't even done during the season he had 93 goals. In the me-now era of hockey, a person getting the necessary assists to challenge this record is impossible. even if a person manage to somehow get 100 goals, he'd never have a chance of getting more assists than goals. Another hockey player will never even get to 175, leaving Gretzky's mark as one for the ages.3. Peyton Manning- 49 Touchdown Passes in One Season

Every generation has a player across all sports who defines his era. Peyton Manning is this generation's leader. When he retires he will be remembered as the greatest quarterback who ever lived, and this mark is one of the reasons why. To be honest, I thought Marino's 48 would never fall, but Manning truly is something special. To average 3 1/16 touchdowns per game as a quarterback when your running back is Edgerrin James truly puts you into the elite group of the elite players. A future first ballot Hall of Famer, Peyton Manning has not only cemented himself in Canton, but also in the history books as this record is, simply, unbreakable.4. Derrick Thomas- 7 Sacks in One Game

Derrick Thomas was an excellent football player whose career ended much too soon in a car accident. Seven sacks is nearly 1/3 of the record in 1/16 the time. Getting even two sacks in a game would be considered a monster game for even the best defensive lineman, and seven is, honestly, unthinkable.5. Wilt Chamberlain- 100 Points in One Game

Choosing one for Basketball was particularly difficult not because of the variety of choices but because of the other only real nominee; the Boston Celtics and their magnificent Championship runs. However, Wilt's record stands just a little bit taller than the others. As basketball becomes truly a sport of twelve individuals wearing the same jersey, it would seem that this record is able to be challenged. But even Kobe Bryant, with 82 in one game and with the lack of support he has, cannot hope to break this. Even if a team has an outstanding day and scores an unbelievable 140 points, one player would have to account for more than 5/7 of all points scored. And even that would be on a good day. Eastern Conference basketball games are not the high scoring affairs that Western games are, and even getting to 100 as a team is something that catches your eye. For one person to do that by himself is remarkable.Hope you enjoyed the list. Again, feel free to add your own records or dispute my choices.

[sln333]

I completely agree with number one, no one is going to get that many wins. Considering that people are talking a lot about people getting 300 wins, forget about 511. I think the one record that could possibly be broken of those is Manning's touchdowns. I think one day a quarterback will show up who breaks that.

[Rocket]

I think that the 100 pts in a game in basketball can and more than likely will happen someday. And if it doesn't, then there is a lot of things to say about that record. Look at how long ago that was. Basketball has changed drastically.


EDIT: Now, back from my meeting...

The rules in basketball have massively changed...making it easier for players to score points. Bryants 81 points is just a testament to that fact. He could do it, and so could someone else for that matter. All it takes is right player, right team, and right opponent.

And I think that someday, someone will beat 49 td's. 16 games in a season is good bet that someone could do it. 4 a game is 64, so it is very possible to do. But I think it is a ways off before we see that one happen

[Krazie]

Yea.. Wilt's will probably stand forever, Cy Young's will stand for YEARS, Peyton's could be broken eventually, Derrick Thomas's will probably stand for quite awhile, and Wayne Gretzky's is a major feat as well and may never be broken until another "Great One" appears..

But Peyton isnt the greatest quarterback ever, even with that record..

[Wolf]

But Peyton isnt the greatest quarterback ever, even with that record..He's going to end his career with 70,000 yards. He's the Jesus of football.

[DoM cAbAn]

I totallly agree with the first one as well. I doubt it that anyone will come close to that record for a hell of a long time.

I can't really say for any of the others because baseball is the only sport that I pay attention to. But 100 points in one game for basketball... that seems unbelievable. I mean, it seems like the average team altogether will score 100 points in a game.

[Marx0r]

A few baseball ones need to be added:

Jack Chesbro's 41 season wins for the Highlanders in 1904. Pitchers today would be lucky to get that in two seasons.

Ty Cobb's .367 lifetime batting average. Hit that in a season, or even down the stretch, it's phenomenal in today's world.

Nap Lajoie's .426 BA in 1901. Again, it's a different world today.

Or, probably the only modern one: Nolan Ryan's 5712 strikeouts. Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson have had phenomenal, consistent, careers and are still both over 1,000 short. Ryan had a freakishly long career (the longest ever, I believe) and his skill combined with pure eventuality gave him a record that will never be touched.

[Shaaady Souljah]

the TD's will be broken again soon... the game is becoming more pass-based every year. people love the big play, and teams practice them. also, i will agree with wolf: when mannig's career ends, he will be considered the greatest qb to ever play.

speaking of untouchables, how could you guys leave out Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hit streak? in my mind, after Cy Young's wins, that is the next most untouchable. the next closest was 45 (in 1896) and Pete Rose's 44. no one will touch it--ever. the game has changed; pitchers are better and hitters are more about power. Jimmy Rollins was the closest in our modern era, and he only had 38.

[SegaSaturnSNK]

Number 1 and number 5 will probably never be broken ever in a life time.

[Wolf]

A few baseball ones need to be added:

Jack Chesbro's 41 season wins for the Highlanders in 1904. Pitchers today would be lucky to get that in two seasons.

Ty Cobb's .367 lifetime batting average. Hit that in a season, or even down the stretch, it's phenomenal in today's world.

Nap Lajoie's .426 BA in 1901. Again, it's a different world today.

Or, probably the only modern one: Nolan Ryan's 5712 strikeouts. Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson have had phenomenal, consistent, careers and are still both over 1,000 short. Ryan had a freakishly long career (the longest ever, I believe) and his skill combined with pure eventuality gave him a record that will never be touched.The first and third aren't records, though. Someone has 58 or so wins in a year (and with a dozen losses, to boot), and someone hit .485 eons ago. To me, though, the Ryan record to stay is his seven no hitters. That's absolutely ridiculous. By the way, according to Sports Illustrated, when he threw out the first pitch at a baseball game a few weeks ago it was clocked at 85 mph. And he's 60.

the TD's will be broken again soon... the game is becoming more pass-based every year. people love the big play, and teams practice them. also, i will agree with wolf: when mannig's career ends, he will be considered the greatest qb to ever play.

speaking of untouchables, how could you guys leave out Joe DiMaggio's 56 game hit streak? in my mind, after Cy Young's wins, that is the next most untouchable. the next closest was 45 (in 1896) and Pete Rose's 44. no one will touch it--ever. the game has changed; pitchers are better and hitters are more about power. Jimmy Rollins was the closest in our modern era, and he only had 38.I will stand by my 49 TD one. A quarterback is looked upon the next year by how many two touchdown or 300 yard games he had. Peyton averaged a whole extra touchdown past what's considered an above average game. And I'm not sure about this pass oriented game as a long time stay. It tends to go back and forth every twenty or so years. To be honest, with the Rushing TD Record being broken practically every year, I'm not so sure I'd still call today's game dependent on passing.

And I left off Joe because I hate that the record is only 56. It's along the lines of the fail 6 out of 10 times and you're an unquestioned first ballot Hall of Famer. Plus it really doesn't do much. You could go 1 for 4 every game of the season for the record, but that really doesn't elevate you to legendary status. If it's any consolation I'm a Yankees fan, so I'm not really doing it out of spite or anything.

[Shaaady Souljah]

And I left off Joe because I hate that the record is only 56. It's along the lines of the fail 6 out of 10 times and you're an unquestioned first ballot Hall of Famer. Plus it really doesn't do much. You could go 1 for 4 every game of the season for the record, but that really doesn't elevate you to legendary status. If it's any consolation I'm a Yankees fan, so I'm not really doing it out of spite or anything.

only 56?! do you watch baseball? for someone to even reach base 56 games in a row is unreal, let alone have it be a hit. if you go 1 out of 4 every game, you would have a 162-game hit streak ;) that would be more than legendary .. the fact that it is "only" 56 shows just how hard it is to get a hit that many games in a row.

[naptownsteeler]

Hey Wolf, 1 out of 4? "only" a .250 avg but hell its "only" the major leagues, no pressure "only" the best. Back on topic: D. Thomas's record will NEVER be broken and Cy's is obvious. Gretzky's maybe, new rule changes. Wilt's and Manning's are going to happen, you can bet on that.

[Wolf]

only 56?! do you watch baseball? for someone to even reach base 56 games in a row is unreal, let alone have it be a hit. if you go 1 out of 4 every game, you would have a 162-game hit streak ;) that would be more than legendary .. the fact that it is "only" 56 shows just how hard it is to get a hit that many games in a row.I know, that's the problem. It shouldn't be that hard, but it is, and a number can never truly reflect that.

[RedstaR]

I think 1, 2 and 5 will never be beaten, but 3 and 4 can be beaten in the near future...

[Cyrex]

Cy Young's record will never be broken

smokey joe wood's best record ever of 35-0

Gretzkey's 92 goals in 1 season.

Crosby will break the 215 points but he does not score much

the most unbreakable record of all time though has to be Josh Gibson's 926 HR's in 9 years in the Negro league's that is just unheard of

[Turbo VDuB 44]

You guys are looking at Cy Young's record all wrong. I will agree that it will never be broken, however it is simple IMPOSSIBLE to be broken. Young pitched in the old era of baseball when pitchers were on a 3 game rotation, not a 5 game such as today. Even with a lesser schedule as compared to today's 162 games plus playoffs, the pitchers in Young's era had roughly 15-20 more starts per year. I just did the math and since they had a 154 (or 156, i can't remember) game schedule, that is 51 starts a year on a 3 day rotation. how many pitchers now have more than 30? Case in point. So of course his record is unbreakable, because it is not possible with the major changes that have undergone in baseball, thus this should not even be on the list of unbreakable rules. Once we switch back to a 3 game rotation, then bring it back up, but if the rules change drastically like this which in effect help solidify his record, keep it off the list.

Chamberlain's 100 pt game, while amazing, will be broken also because of rule changes, just as someone pointed out that Kobe had 81 last season.

Peyton is a great QB, don't get me wrong but it seems that as the times move on, people get better, offenses change, and one day in the not too distant future (10 years tops) his record will fall.

Dimaggio's record is simply remarkable because reaching on an Error or a walk in 56 games is one thing. to get a hit however is simply insane. Go to mlb.com and do their Beat the Streak challenge. You can pick ANY player from ANY team and must get just one simple hit as you say, in 56 straight games. And what is the prize you might ask for this simple little task of picking 1 player each day?!? $100,000. It's damn near impossible and is still attainable, unlike Cy Young's record which, because of the changes, is simply impossible.

Now to Gretzky, the greatest athlete to ever live. Being a long time hockey fan and playing Division 1 in college myself, i would have to say i know a thing or two about the sport. Gretzky's record of 92 goals and 215 pts 1 season are incredible. The 92 goals i don't think will ever be broken simply because the game has evolved to a more physical style of play, instead of the European concepts of fundamentals. His speeed and agility will never be rivaled and the protection he had from his line mates will never be seen again for one single player. Now for the 215 pts, i hate to say, might be broken simply because Crosby and Ovechkin have amazing numbers in the early stages of their careers and i do truly hope that some of Gretzky's records fall simply in anticipation of what hockey may hold for us in the future.

In summation, wilt and peyton will fall shortly, dimaggio and gretzky may be attainable but unbreakable, and young should never be on this list to begin with as the rules have changed so drastically that no matter what, it is physically impossible to break that record. Great idea with the post tho, i love sports convos!:drunkcheers

EDIT: We can't forget Hack Wilson's record of 191 RBI's in a single season. Hitters have MORE opportunities to get that now and is attainable but simply astounding.

[Wolf]

You guys are looking at Cy Young's record all wrong. I will agree that it will never be broken, however it is simple IMPOSSIBLE to be broken. Young pitched in the old era of baseball when pitchers were on a 3 game rotation, not a 5 game such as today. Even with a lesser schedule as compared to today's 162 games plus playoffs, the pitchers in Young's era had roughly 15-20 more starts per year. I just did the math and since they had a 154 (or 156, i can't remember) game schedule, that is 51 starts a year on a 3 day rotation. how many pitchers now have more than 30? Case in point. So of course his record is unbreakable, because it is not possible with the major changes that have undergone in baseball, thus this should not even be on the list of unbreakable rules. Once we switch back to a 3 game rotation, then bring it back up, but if the rules change drastically like this which in effect help solidify his record, keep it off the list.~~~~~
Dimaggio's record is simply remarkable because reaching on an Error or a walk in 56 games is one thing. to get a hit however is simply insane. Go to mlb.com and do their Beat the Streak challenge. You can pick ANY player from ANY team and must get just one simple hit as you say, in 56 straight games. And what is the prize you might ask for this simple little task of picking 1 player each day?!? $100,000. It's damn near impossible and is still attainable, unlike Cy Young's record which, because of the changes, is simply impossible.


Of course it was. But the same thing could be said about DiMaggio's record. People were, frankly, less of a sissy back then. They didn't need or try to pull a home run run ever at bat; their focus was on perfecting a true hitter's swing. Most baseball records were set such a long time ago that no one can ever hope to break them. Take a look at the Triple Crown. I don't even remember the third element. It just solidifies the status as unbreakable; we shouldn't categorize something as unworthy because it happened in a different era; 511 wins is pretty damn incredible no matter how you cut it.

Chamberlain's 100 pt game, while amazing, will be broken also because of rule changes, just as someone pointed out that Kobe had 81 last season.

I'm still not seeing this. LeBron scoring 50 in the Playoffs was front page news. You just have to look at the total points scored per game and wonder just how many a team needs to score for one person to have a legitimate shot of achieving this. Kobe's 81 still isn't close. Willie Mays's 660 Home Runs are roughly 12% closer to Babe Ruth's then record and his name isn't quite the first one to pop right up when you think of "Home Run King." Scoring 100 points is just such a difficult thing to do; by the time you get to the 40+ necessary in the first half, you're going to get triple teamed, which, while opening up other players, greatly impedes your chances of success.

Peyton is a great QB, don't get me wrong but it seems that as the times move on, people get better, offenses change, and one day in the not too distant future (10 years tops) his record will fall.

I'm not so sure about this one, particularly in football, which cares so much more about protecting players than it used to (well, up until a certain point). I hate to break all these stats down to averages, but averaging three a game is simply ridiculous.

Now to Gretzky, the greatest athlete to ever live. Being a long time hockey fan and playing Division 1 in college myself, i would have to say i know a thing or two about the sport. Gretzky's record of 92 goals and 215 pts 1 season are incredible. The 92 goals i don't think will ever be broken simply because the game has evolved to a more physical style of play, instead of the European concepts of fundamentals. His speeed and agility will never be rivaled and the protection he had from his line mates will never be seen again for one single player. Now for the 215 pts, i hate to say, might be broken simply because Crosby and Ovechkin have amazing numbers in the early stages of their careers and i do truly hope that some of Gretzky's records fall simply in anticipation of what hockey may hold for us in the future.

Actually I do think that 92 goals is more breakable simply because they may increase the net size to make the game more "exciting." The thing is, Gretzky is such an incredible passer and that stayed with him long after he stopped caring about his shot. Look at his final season: less than five goals, more than 50 assists (I think it might be more than sixty but I can't remember if that was his point total. Ovechkin, as talented as he is, simply doesn't have the line support to unlock his full potential. If, say, he was traded to the Sharks, he would be the MVP every year. But the Capitals are simply terrible. They better hope their number one pick works out and fast, because Alex will leave. Crosby is really just a crybaby and won't be one of the top two players in Penguin history when he retires. As I said, Lemieux was the only player who could skate against Gretzky. Crosby still is an Everest away from 200 points. Lemieux doesn't have 200 because he thought being there for his son's birth was more important, an admirable lesson to be learned by all sports stars. I can't describe this in any other way, so here comes the math: Find me a player who can average 2½ points per game over the course of a two week period and we'll simply consider that as "breaking the record." This one will last for a century.

In summation, wilt and peyton will fall shortly, dimaggio and gretzky may be attainable but unbreakable, and young should never be on this list to begin with as the rules have changed so drastically that no matter what, it is physically impossible to break that record. Great idea with the post tho, i love sports convos!:drunkcheers

Indeed.

EDIT: We can't forget Hack Wilson's record of 191 RBI's in a single season. Hitters have MORE opportunities to get that now and is attainable but simply astounding.

I was thinking about that, but I only had five slots. What also affected my decision, which may be remembered wrong, was didn't he strike out a lot? I think that might be someone else, though. If the list went up to ten he'd be in there, but it doesn't, at least for now.

[Rocket]

I'm still not seeing this. LeBron scoring 50 in the Playoffs was front page news. You just have to look at the total points scored per game and wonder just how many a team needs to score for one person to have a legitimate shot of achieving this. Kobe's 81 still isn't close. Willie Mays's 660 Home Runs are roughly 12% closer to Babe Ruth's then record and his name isn't quite the first one to pop right up when you think of "Home Run King." Scoring 100 points is just such a difficult thing to do; by the time you get to the 40+ necessary in the first half, you're going to get triple teamed, which, while opening up other players, greatly impedes your chances of success.

Your kidding right? Kobe's 81 still isn't close? Thats 19 pts off. How is that not close? Yeah, 50pts is still front page news, but that is a lot of points in itself. I think you need to take a deep look at your math because 81 is closer to 100 than you think...

[SegaSaturnSNK]

Chamberlain's 100 pt game, while amazing, will be broken also because of rule changes, just as someone pointed out that Kobe had 81 last season.

You need to realize at that time, he was basically the only player on that team (Philadelphia Warriors) who was great and probably the game he played, he played against a bunch of puny white guys who were probably way shorter than him and couldn't even guard the guy. But if he played the Celtics of back then, he wouldn't score close to 100 points thanks to Bill Russell who was probably the only man can that guard Wilt quite well but that's a different story.

Now days, if someone scored over 60 points and the his team is winning the game by a large margin, the coach will eventually pull the guy out little end towards the 3rd quarter and won't let him play in the fourth in order to risk any injury. Reason why Kobe scored 81 points because his team was losing and Phil didn't want to take the guy out till little towards the end of the 4th when they were up more than 10 I believe from what I remember.

I don't see another player pulling another 81 points on a team ever again unless it was someone talented as hell which no one in the league is now that is today (Lebron can't do it because the guy can't shoot for shit) or at least close to Wilt's talents. Kobe what I can say was feeling good that day (with some luck to add to that) and nothing else. He won't pull another 81 point game. No on will never ever break the 100 point mark in the NBA. Only a big man can do it if he was against a bunch of puny men but we won't see a big man as dominant as Wilt was back then.

[Turbo VDuB 44]

Wilt was incredible and his stature helped him in the game where he was like 8 foot 9 versus 3 foot 4 white guys haha.

And i'm certainly not taking away from Cy Young's record because it is probably the best record in professional sports. However i'm just saying that in a list of unbreakable records you should include records that can still be attained, not blocked off by rule changes. And true, players now are sissy's, which is why i can't truely stand watching most sporting events besides hockey and soccer.

On Ovechkin, i completely agree that if he weren't on the Capitals he would be one of the greatest players in a LONG time. And i didn't know if Crosby would be a touchy subject so i didnt say it, however he is a bitch and should be playing for the Italian soccer team or called Cristiano Ronaldo for all the dives he takes. Crosby has a chance if he stays on his feet and keeps up with the assists that he is amazing with.

[Mr Arrow]

He's going to end his career with 70,000 yards. He's the Jesus of football.

So I guess he'll be back after only three days of retirement :eek: