How many of the top20 are cheaters?

[spikedzombies]

http://www.mygamercard.net/completionlb.php

was browsing this... and wondering..

how many are cheaters and how many are legit?

[highpass]

If they're not on Kaens' Gamesaverless Leaderboard (http://www.mygamercard.net/clboard.php?id=7mKG5pgK), they're probably cheating scumbags.

[J Lo]

Well, out of the top 20, I can only say that Stallion83 is legit and StripClubDJ is not..

[CovertDog]

In the top 100, all but 11 are cheaters.

[Kaens]

In the top 100, all but 11 are cheaters.
He means on the completion % boards. Looking at that list, only legit player in top 20 is Stallion at 14.

[xxEquilibriumxx]

That kaens things is poop. My name isn't on there and i haven't gamesaved. I don't even know how to gamesave

[Webb]

Well, you only have 2k :p lol j/k

[Shaaady Souljah]

That kaens things is poop. My name isn't on there and i haven't gamesaved. I don't even know how to gamesave

it is not "poop". no offense, but you are not high enough to worry about it i think. you can't expect kaens to have it accurate through 200+ gamers. that is just unrealistic. he included people that he knows never game saved. if you are not on there, request it and he will look into it.

it is far from poop. it is the best legit board on that site, in my opinion.

[ThrillKillBill]

just for the record, you need atleast 45k before kaens will add you to his board because he's only allowed so many spots and those are all currently held by ppl over 45kish mark with the exception of one whom is his buddy ;)
(i requested already so thats true knowledge)

[Webb]

The dude asking has 50k though ;)

[Kaens]

The maximum on MGC is 250 members per custom list. This might not have occurred to everyone, but I don't spend every day, week or even month for that matter going through the list. It takes a good 8-10 hours to go through all the cards to get enough to fill out the 250 legit list. The bottom of the list is going to be in constant flux anyways, as people move up/down and pass each other.

I created the list, but it's self policed. If you see someone that you believe is a gamesaver, send me a msg with the game that gives it away and I'll look at it. If you have high enough score to be on the list and want to be on, send me your gamertag and I'll add you (after I've checked your card over).

Did you honestly think I was checking to see if #505 on the cheaterboard has moved up to pass #503 on my board? Seriously dude, that's never going to happen. A quick glance at the person currently in last (who isn't on my list as a favor) and they are ranked #1202. Now if I went back (again, done it a few times) and spent the hours to go through it I'm sure the minimum to get on the board would be much higher and that person would not make it. I usually get requests from people who are in the top100 (because that's when they become aware of the list) or people who are way too low to have a chance (because they read about it in magazine).

Btw, Equal, I added you. Your current rank on my board is #233.

[shearer06]

Kaens list is superb !! (just need to get on this site's wonderful list)

[spikedzombies]

you would think MS would come up with some way to stop gamesaving.. guess not LOL

[xxEquilibriumxx]

Hehe well thx for adding me. I never even realized that u made the board I feel like a tool. Oh well thank you

[poulpy72]

May I ask what a "gamesaver" is???

thx

[CC99999]

Typically,

a gamesaver is somebody who has earned as many points as you have but their card reads "105,000". Papa Skum is a great example. He scores about 2,000 points a day through unscrupulous means.

I pick out a cheater everyday and blog about them:

http://www.360voice.com/blog-archive.asp?tag=cc99999&date=July%202007

[poulpy72]

thx for info...

Then again, sorry for the 2nd stupid question in a row, but how can they change their score? Do I look like I wanna do it??...;)...no worries, my low score will always follow me...

[highpass]

They sell their soul to Satan. You won't find that answer here, don't ask again.

[CRAZY CJ 20]

i hate gamesavers. i have a few people on my friends list who got seriously without even getting half the kills... ive also noticed he gamesaved on crackdown.. considering his last achievement was taking over all the supply points... which realistically you'll get that early in the game... and the achievements had no dates on them... need i say more? gamesavers are scum

[Spacecakes]

and the achievements had no dates on them... need i say more? gamesavers are scum I have no idea what gamesavers are and I don't really care, but what's the big deal? I dont like to have a bunch of dates next to the achievements I unlock so most of the time when I play a game and its not played online with others I always disconnect my box from the net. Every so often I forget to disconnect my box from the net and I get some dates next to some of my achievements and it bothers me. :uzi: Grrrrrrr

[AJJets107]

Typically,

a gamesaver is somebody who has earned as many points as you have but their card reads "105,000". Papa Skum is a great example. He scores about 2,000 points a day through unscrupulous means.

I pick out a cheater everyday and blog about them:

http://www.360voice.com/blog-archive.asp?tag=cc99999&date=July%202007 I was looking at your comments and had ConfederateAce7. He was my friend and told me I am better than you because I have more gamerscore than you. And I asked him how did you complete all Scenarios before completing one. I think I shut him up. :uzi:

[TheLazyWolf]

i hate gamesavers. i have a few people on my friends list who got seriously without even getting half the kills... ive also noticed he gamesaved on crackdown.. considering his last achievement was taking over all the supply points... which realistically you'll get that early in the game... and the achievements had no dates on them... need i say more? gamesavers are scum

Just FYI the people who are getting Seriously without getting the 10k kills are using a profile glitch, not a gamesave. Its still cheating and involves giving your profile to someone but because of this the achievement for it will be dated. If 10k kills is not dated, it was hacked by roofus.

[Brighton X]

I have no idea what gamesavers are and I don't really care, but what's the big deal? I dont like to have a bunch of dates next to the achievements I unlock so most of the time when I play a game and its not played online with others I always disconnect my box from the net. Every so often I forget to disconnect my box from the net and I get some dates next to some of my achievements and it bothers me. :uzi: Grrrrrrr

He wasn't talking about the dates being bad, he was talking about gamesaving which is basically using a saved game to get all the achievements for a game. (I think) Which actually doesn't achieve anything.

[jcnet]

I'll buy a retail game for the first person on here that punches sufoor in the mouth in real life!

(not really i wouldnt condone actual real life violence.... but in theory that would be a truly wonderful thing ^.~)

[Raider]

I have a friend who is a legit 70k, he is not a member of this site though, is he sill eligible for kaens leaderboard?

Ah and did you take antdawg2020 off, he was on there last time I looked, look at his SW2:E and see if you think he should still be on there. There are other gamesavers on there but there hard to prove.

[jackanape]

Woo hoo, I'd make it onto that list at 223 if I was added. But considering how many changes must take place each day it seems a thankless task to keep updated that board.

When you consider that I'm ranked 803 in the world on the overall list it just shows how many people are prepared to sell their souls.

[MASTERCHEAT]

Out of that list I say a most are legit. I once saw a achievement score in 99,000. The bastard was modding by show some game twice and using save files from his friends. Here the clip from youtube of the guy.

*link removed*

[DARK LORD RYAN]

I don't even see the point of cheating to get on those leaderboards..... Why do they even do it because people know th'eyre cheating anyway so wheres the glory?

[bxbomber]

I have no idea what gamesavers are and I don't really care, but what's the big deal? I dont like to have a bunch of dates next to the achievements I unlock so most of the time when I play a game and its not played online with others I always disconnect my box from the net. Every so often I forget to disconnect my box from the net and I get some dates next to some of my achievements and it bothers me. :uzi: Grrrrrrr

All the online achievements get dates. It's another way to tell if you're a f****kin' cheater. You can't get online achievements offline.

[Veritas34]

how can you tell if someone game saved? thats ridiculous that people just use game saves to get gamerscore.

[DeFiAnT]

That's really gay how people cheat like that!

[tjayars]

one of the easiest games to spot is earth defense force 2017. you will see all weapons unlocked after easy difficulty complete. this is impossible since you unlock a weapon after each difficulty. hence they would be 4 short after completing easy.

[killlah631]

All of the top 20 are cheaters, if you are looking on MGC...the highest legit gamer on MGC leaderboards is Stallion who is at 34th on the leaderboard, and then second Rand Al Thor who is at 68th....a lot of damn cheaters huh.

[drunkdaddyo69x]

being only able to play only acade(360 is screwed up), im currently #49 in world leaderboard. but looking at the leaderboard i think i can only get up to maybe 40-45 tops. because of so many cheaters and the others are arcade monsters. sucks all the hard work and people have 200s on games they dont even own. i always wonder what my rank would be w/o the cheating.

[Chilidog Chaos]

You're deffinitly not 49th in the world...I have a 37K GS and I'm somwhere in the 4,000's.

Edit: Sorry I thought you meant overall.

[J eVeRy DaY 514]

being only able to play only acade(360 is screwed up), im currently #49 in world leaderboard. but looking at the leaderboard i think i can only get up to maybe 40-45 tops. because of so many cheaters and the others are arcade monsters. sucks all the hard work and people have 200s on games they dont even own. i always wonder what my rank would be w/o the cheating.

yeah i used to try and get to the top of the arcade leaderboard because i thought that the measly 200 gs would scare away the cheaters. i was doing it for awhile, i think the highest spot i got was in the 90's. but i stopped competing after all the hacking. they need to make a legit leaderboard site, or just remove all the cheaters from mgc, then i might try again.

[SiLeNt Sc0pE 16]

lol these guys are noobs

[riot4420]

if they have 1000 in need for speed carbon then their cheating for sure, one of the achievments are glitched and they wont fix it, its IMPOSSIBLE to get 1000 in carbon

[scoobydiesel]

boo for cheating!

but it did get them where they are, atop the cheat leaderbords

[highpass]

but it did get them where they are, atop the cheat leaderbords

And in 30 years time when they have their grandkids over and tell them tales about when they were young, they can proudly say "Look, see this? Your granddad was the best in the world at cheating at one point!".

I forsee many unhappy grandchildren come 2057. Werthers Originals would simply not suffice.

[Deyankees1]

lol weathers originals would simply not suffice, that was priceless. lmao. but yea stupid gamesavers. lmao Im still laughin at that that I lossed my train of thought

[III Vesper III]

Cheating for gamerscore points, That is really cute.

[x23DrPepper23x]

Cheating is GAY!! that is all !!! :p

[HOBGOBLIN]

i hate gamesavers and hackers im mean look at sufoor offline for a month he comes back and has 50,000 more points than before WTF u know PS im all legit

[big14ms]

what do people care about a number next to another persons name or how they got it? 98 % of the people over 100k gamesaved even your little buddy stallion83 was a member of the gs community.

[D3AD FR3D]

what do people care about a number next to another persons name or how they got it? 98 % of the people over 100k gamesaved even your little buddy stallion83 was a member of the gs community.

AGREED! Who cares if they use gamesaves? It's only a number anyway. Does it really bother you that much in life that someone's gamer score is higher than yours? You can say it violates the use agreement, but so do a host of other things that occur on XBL and I don't see you guys talking about them. If you want to go after one, go after them all.

By the way, are you among the 98%? Not that I care, but I am curious as to how you use game saves? How you actually do it?

[J eVeRy DaY 514]

i hate gamesavers and hackers im mean look at sufoor offline for a month he comes back and has 50,000 more points than before WTF u know PS im all legit

i would congratulate you on being legit, but first i must ask why you've account recovered to 2 different countries? was it just to see yourself atop another country's leaderboard?

[run ita charlie]

i would congratulate you on being legit, but first i must ask why you've account recovered to 2 different countries? was it just to see yourself atop another country's leaderboard?

he most likely did it for that reason because i did it for the same reason too :P and i just checked his achievements and they seem pretty legit but a few did look somewhat suspicious to me =\ but i could be wrong

[CovertDog]

what do people care about a number next to another persons name or how they got it? 98 % of the people over 100k gamesaved even your little buddy stallion83 was a member of the gs community.

I don't know what is more stupid, beening a gamesaver or coming to a legit site and drawing attention to yourself. Bye, bye big.

PS...If your wondering, i'am in the 2% and proud of it.

[HOBGOBLIN]

to that J EVERYDAY guy those 2 accounts i recovered i was doing them the favor to beat a game for them one had 5k gs the other one 9k so nothing big they re both on my friends list

[Mrs Cliffton]

its retarded because it defeats the entire purpose of the gamerscore and achievements, you shouldnt do it, so you shouldnt worry about how its done

[A Polish Panda]

LMAO look at Sufoor's games. All of his achievements are 1 second apart...

[Vista]

LMAO look at Sufoor's games. All of his achievements are 1 second apart...

How can you tell time on achievements?

[Rhys]

that suffor annoys me just looking at his gamertag copying games dupeing achivements i hope he gets arrested !:uzi::ass

[A Polish Panda]

How can you tell time on achievements? Go to his gamercard thing on MGC, and look at all of his games. Beside them it will show his last game played. They are all spaced 1 second apart.

[antnie]

A lot more of the people are cheaters than you think.

[shoutemup92]

a bunch of losers gamesaves i mean who spends at least like 70 dollars to cheat? i mean come ON!

[run ita charlie]

a bunch of losers gamesaves i mean who spends at least like 70 dollars to cheat? i mean come ON!

I probably spent more than that playing legit by renting all my games lol

[Stevn]

i don't get it. what do you mean cheat? how do you cheat at getting achievement? do you mean they have mods or something?

[JoJoBoriqua90]

dam they have A LOT!!! of time on their hands

[M85A21]

I don't understand why people say Rance6 (He is Japan Top now) cheats.
He has been on my friends list since PGR3.
He had like..300GS then..
This guy finishes games so quick it's crazy, me and him both played BIOSHOCK at the same time he finished his 1 hour before me. =[

He finished all those Japanese games Legit and played Lost Oddesey for over 100 hours to get the full 1000.
He does not cheat, I have his back on that one.

[Webb]

What about when he put his tag on eBay? Got his back for that as well?

[M85A21]

Yeah I know that, that was pretty wierd and I don't know why he did that as it was stupid really.
But I mean I think he just didn't want to play anymore and when it was taken off by eBay he just started up again.

[CovertDog]

I don't understand why people say Rance6 (He is Japan Top now) cheats.
He has been on my friends list since PGR3.
He had like..300GS then..
This guy finishes games so quick it's crazy, me and him both played BIOSHOCK at the same time he finished his 1 hour before me. =[

He finished all those Japanese games Legit and played Lost Oddesey for over 100 hours to get the full 1000.
He does not cheat, I have his back on that one.

Are you serious?:confused: You can't possible think he is legit? If you do, well i'm sorry to tell you, you are completely wrong.

[M85A21]

I've seen him man, he plays an AWFUL lot.
He plays a game until he gets the 1000, he got CoD 4 on Friday and has been playing it for around 20 Hours.
I haven't seen him "Gamesave" a game yet.
Sorry if you disagree but I suppose people are entitled to opinions right?

[III Vesper III]

Sorry if you disagree but I suppose people are entitled to opinions right?

I think that made my day. I'll get back to you on that after I cook some spring rolls tonight.

[M85A21]

I think that made my day. I'll get back to you on that after I cook some spring rolls tonight.

What?
What does that mean, that's possibly the randomest thing ever said to me. =[

[xXCR0SSF1R3Xx]

I've seen him man, he plays an AWFUL lot.
He plays a game until he gets the 1000, he got CoD 4 on Friday and has been playing it for around 20 Hours.
I haven't seen him "Gamesave" a game yet.
Sorry if you disagree but I suppose people are entitled to opinions right?

he didnt do cod4 legit i know who did it for him. When he put his tag on ebay he got offered 7k for it i really dont know why he didnt sell it

[Webb]

he didnt do cod4 legit i know who did it for him. When he put his tag on ebay he got offered 7k for it i really dont know why he didnt sell it

I believe it was against eBay T&C's or against MS's and they asked eBay to remove it.

[italianstallion]

I don't understand why people say Rance6 (He is Japan Top now) cheats.
He has been on my friends list since PGR3.
He had like..300GS then..
This guy finishes games so quick it's crazy, me and him both played BIOSHOCK at the same time he finished his 1 hour before me. =[

He finished all those Japanese games Legit and played Lost Oddesey for over 100 hours to get the full 1000.
He does not cheat, I have his back on that one.


Did he drug you or something?

[Deyankees1]

Did he drug you or something?

lmao Thats what I was thinking. But yea its a shame.

[J eVeRy DaY 514]

sure, there are a lot of people up there who didn't cheat as much as others... but if they cheated once, they still cheated.
and so i think its a given now that stallion is #1 legit. i really have no clue, i just assume since he is involved in the gamerscore leagues, and is at the top of kaens list. there's no reason to believe that he is not.

[vhayste]

The only way you can finish the game in one day is when you play 24 hours nonstop. And besides, an average takes around 10-20 hours to beat. And most games will require you to play the game online and on successive playthroughs to unlock the achievements.

Its hard to believe he can play that long. Does he have a life or something? I mean, its almost impossible to rack up a few thousand points a day.

[M85A21]

Nevermind when Webb said that I went and looked at his score and kept it on him for a few minutes..He went offline with 196322, he came online 1 hour later with 197322...I was like "wtf?"...1000G in The Simpsons.
So nevermind I retract my comment sorry.

[vhayste]

Nevermind when Webb said that I went and looked at his score and kept it on him for a few minutes..He went offline with 196322, he came online 1 hour later with 197322...I was like "wtf?"...1000G in The Simpsons.
So nevermind I retract my comment sorry.


1000pts in 1 hour??? Gee, now that's something.... glad you agreed with us after all, man.

[SouP x360a]

On xbox 360 voice.com in StripClubDJ(gamerscore leader) it shows he got like 38,000 gamerpoints in one day. He's beast! <sarcasm

[M85A21]

Well he is a known gamesaver, he took all of sufoors Gamesaves then found 3 Japanese ones not on the site.
So know he is the greatest cheater in history. =]
But his new tag "InfamousDj" he has like 2000 Gamerscore.
He only plays CoD 4.

[LiamsT630]

lol these guys are noobs
That they are not. You might not condone them for cheating, but you have to respect how smart they are for hacking the "hack-proof" system.

I don't understand why people say Rance6 (He is Japan Top now) cheats.
He has been on my friends list since PGR3.
He had like..300GS then..
This guy finishes games so quick it's crazy, me and him both played BIOSHOCK at the same time he finished his 1 hour before me. =[

He finished all those Japanese games Legit and played Lost Oddesey for over 100 hours to get the full 1000.
He does not cheat, I have his back on that one.
That's just funny! Did you know he has a little business going selling gamesaves? One of his best customers is UAE Boss.

[vhayste]

That they are not. You might not condone them for cheating, but you have to respect how smart they are for hacking the "hack-proof" system.

Yes, I agree. Even an average noob will not be able to hack into systems or even cheat effectively.

[Webb]

That they are not. You might not condone them for cheating, but you have to respect how smart they are for hacking the "hack-proof" system.


That's just funny! Did you know he has a little business going selling gamesaves? One of his best customers is UAE Boss.

You're an idiot!

Drug dealing makes money, does that make it right? Seriously.... Once again, you're an idiot.

[Don Manolo]

yep most of em are gamesavers, I had rance6 in my friendlist like a half year ago and he does plays a lot of japanese games but I know for sure he's a gamesaver, he went offline and came back online having elite unlocked in rainbow six vegas?? Some offline match he played :p hehe I wonder if they feel good about themselves because they have a high score but it doesn't mean anything... (actually yea it means they couldn't do it legit so they had to cheat)

[M85A21]

Sometimes..I wish Microsoft woild get off their ass and just remove them from the list.
Like Kaens.

[LiamsT630]

You're an idiot!

Drug dealing makes money, does that make it right? Seriously.... Once again, you're an idiot.
You must have misunderstood me. I never said it was right or just, I only said that you have to respect how smart they are.

[neIIy99]

can you even see the dates people unlock achievements? I thought that was only when you look at your own

[CORPSE CRISIS]

how can you tell if someone game saved? thats ridiculous that people just use game saves to get gamerscore. Well not really if they want to be really popular and want to be noticed around the world..geee ummm maybe thats why ppl gamesave.

[taenok]

i don't understand??? how do you guys tell if that person is cheating or not???

[FreaKyDeaKy]

I think using gamesaves and stuff I guess. Not quite sure.

[MapleMire]

Stalion83 legit thats all i know

[TheWings977]

http://www.mygamercard.net/completionlb.php

was browsing this... and wondering..

how many are cheaters and how many are legit? I saw sufoors or whatever about a wekk ago on a youtube video and it actually showed the same game a couple times...

[tadpeters]

I wonder if I have a good enough ratio to be included in the good list? I have a 88% game completion overall with 130+ games played.