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IDiivil
02-08-2011, 08:49 PM
London, England (CNN) -- Researchers hope a new treatment developed in the United Kingdom will prove vital in controlling future flu pandemics such as H1N1 (swine) flu, bird flu as well as ending the need for annual flu jabs.


Developed by scientists at Oxford University, the new vaccine works by targeting protein cells inside the influenza A virus, instead of current vaccines that attack proteins on the outside of the flu virus.


According to Sarah Gilbert, head of the project at Oxford's Jenner Institute, this method is effective because proteins inside the virus are far more similar across all the influenza strains and are less likely to mutate.
In the first successful trial on humans, 11 healthy people were vaccinated and infected with the seasonal flu strain along with 11 non-vaccinated volunteers.

The results, say Gilbert, are important in developing a new form of protection that researchers hope could spell the end of flu vaccination supply problems.


The most recent global pandemic was the 2009 H1N1 flu pandemic, in which the estimates of deaths ranged as high as 12,500 in the U.S. alone, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Gilbert explained: "With the swine flu pandemic it took four months before the first doses of the vaccine were available and there was only a small amount available," Gilbert explained. "It took a further six months before it was possible to vaccinate a large number of people.


"With this type of vaccine, you would at least be able to start using the vaccine as soon as you knew a new pandemic was starting. You could stockpile the vaccine and wouldn't have this wait to make a new pandemic-specific vaccine," she said.


The vaccine would be an important step in treating seasonal flu, not just pandemics.


"Flu kills every year. It's not just swine flu. Normally it's the very old or very young that die from flu, but every year there are deaths from influenza A," said Gilbert.


In the U.S alone it's believed about 36,000 people die from seasonal flu-related causes in an average year, according to the CDC.


The initial results are positive, says Peter Palese, professor and chair of microbiology at Mount Sinai School of Medicine, New York, but more research is needed before the new treatment is approved.


"I think it's a very interesting and very elegant approach and the data so far looks very, very good," he said.


"But although the vaccine has been give to humans, unfortunately there is no evidence presented to say if it really results in protection against infection."


Gilbert agrees more work is required before the vaccine becomes available, estimating a wait of at least five year, but says the results are a fundamental next step in the treatment of flu.


"It's fairly certain flu vaccines are going to change a lot in the next few years," she said.


"Whether it's this vaccine or another one someone else develops, I don't think we'll be continuing with the type of flu vaccines that we have at the moment."



... Someone else may have noticed this, and if so, just close this topic, but I was way, way too pumped about the discovery not to post it. Seriously - a shot that could potentially rid the need of all those other shots...? AND ACTUALLY WORK?

Someone give me some confetti if this actually works. I'll open a fucking bottle of wine, too.

Link: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/02/07/universal.flu.vaccine.research/?hpt=T2

Neverender
02-08-2011, 11:12 PM
The side effects of recent flu vaccines (such as the H1N1 vaccine) have more serious side effects than the actual influenza strain. I know some people died from it, but most of them had compromised immune systems prior to the illness; it was more or less the equivalent of a light case of pneumonia. I for one actually got H1N1 and it was just a little worse than the average flu. Not bad at all; it was just one of those things where the hype (which I don't mean to carry any positive connotation, by the way, it just seemed like the most fitting term) outweighed the actual illness.

Meanwhile, the vaccine has been linked to cancer, learning disabilities, and autoimmune deficiencies among other things. If you took the time to read over the lists of ingredients in the vaccines and their effects on the human body, then you'd be more afraid of the vaccine itself than any flu since the Spanish Flu.

Just for fun, I'll list some of the ingredients for a flu shot:
Thimersol - A neurotoxin composed of about 50% mercury. Associated with Autism.
Aluminum - Neurotoxic when ingested or injected, linked to Alzheimer's.
Formaldehyde - A known cause of cancer.
Antifreeze - Do I need to explain?
And the list goes on. Seriously, just Google it. It gets worse.

In addition to all that, the flu shot hasn't been shown to make any discernible impact on influenza-related fatalities. On the plus side, though, it does stop symptoms.

Oh, and that 36,000 deaths figure? Complete and total bullshit. According to the CDC's own National Vital Statistics Report, the number is in the hundreds, not thousands (link (http://thinktwice.com/cdc_2001.pdf)). More people actually die from malnutrition than influenza.

I'm not saying this to be rude to the OP, and I do think that a vaccine would be nice (once they remove all the potentially deadly chemicals and such from it, of course), but I do feel that this needs to be brought up.

IDiivil
02-08-2011, 11:21 PM
No offense taken at all.

Vaccines have been improving in a lot of its strange, accused ingredients. A show hosted by Penn and Teller on it covers a lot of the concerns of what's in it. Nevertheless, it doesn't fix the problem that a lot of the panic induced by the flu is completely unnecessary, as you pointed out.

My hope is we can remove the strains completely, if that is going to become a possibility (aka if that article speaks true). Then again, there will always be something else :S Hopefully not more powerful than what we have around today.

All to Atrophy
02-08-2011, 11:31 PM
I've never taken any vaccinations, and haven't taken much medication when I have gotten sick. As a result, my immune system is nothing short of godlike. I don't have anything against vaccinations, but as far as I can see, building natural immunity is the best way to go.

IDiivil
02-08-2011, 11:33 PM
I've never taken any vaccinations, and haven't taken much medication when I have gotten sick. As a result, my immune system is nothing short of godlike. I don't have anything against vaccinations, but as far as I can see, building natural immunity is the best way to go.

... well, I'm sure you took the vaccinations against smallpox, tetanus, etc and the like as a kid, right?

Granted, the flu can't really /kill/ you like how media plays it out to be, so I know it will probably never become a requirement like the MMR shots we take as a toddy.

DOOKH8R
02-08-2011, 11:41 PM
Wait, isn't this how I am Legend started?

All to Atrophy
02-09-2011, 01:52 AM
Good point... I did get vaccinated for smallpox, polio, mmr, and possibly tetanus, though I can't recall because I was younger than 5 or 6 at the time. When I was older my parents asked me before getting me vaccinated and I decided against getting anything for chicken pox, or any influenza variant.

During my childhood I got sick once or twice a year till the age of 15, and I haven't had to deal with anything but dehydration sickness (from athletics) and a fever that broke in about 18 hours since that time.

If a universal vaccine is perfected it'd be nothing short of incredible, the only problem is if a single strain of influenza arises that the vaccine doesn't cover, peoples' immune systems' won't be prepared to react accordingly. In short, I'd prefer to trust in my own strength over an artificial antidote, but that's not the best choice for everyone, by any means.

StayonTarget
02-09-2011, 02:00 AM
. . .
I have the flu... thanks for making me feel better!

EmagDrolBot
02-09-2011, 02:07 AM
I've never taken any vaccinations, and haven't taken much medication when I have gotten sick. As a result, my immune system is nothing short of godlike. I don't have anything against vaccinations, but as far as I can see, building natural immunity is the best way to go.

This seems to lack some basic understanding of how vaccinations work. When you take a vaccination you aren't made immune to the disease artificially or anything, all it does is force your immune system to become repellant to it. The method it uses is injecting part of the disease into you.

If you never take a vaccination and you never have caught the disease, then you'll be completely at risk if you do catch it, your immune system will be the complete opposite to godlike. On the other hand, if you've had the disease and survived, your immune system will have built up against it, but no more strongly that if you had taken a vaccination.

In short, there is no "natural/artificial" in immunity, they're one and the same and it makes no difference how you build it.


If a universal vaccine is perfected it'd be nothing short of incredible, the only problem is if a single strain of influenza arises that the vaccine doesn't cover, peoples' immune systems' won't be prepared to react accordingly. In short, I'd prefer to trust in my own strength over an artificial antidote, but that's not the best choice for everyone, by any means.

As for this, you'd be in the same boat as everyone else. They're only immune to those particular strains, as are you. It's impossible that you have any extra resistance to a new strain, because for that to happen you would have had to have it. It is possible that you have had it and a current vaccination isn't around, but the only likely reason for this is that it's so weak it's not worth it, or it's covered by one of the existing vaccinations.

Burning Karma
02-09-2011, 02:21 AM
Wait, isn't this how I am Legend started?
It was a cure for cancer. At least, in the movie it was.

All to Atrophy
02-09-2011, 06:02 AM
First of all, i know how vaccines work, don't insult my intelligence.

Maybe I didn't make myself clear. I'm not particularly concerned with immunity, and I don't claim to be immune to anything. I'm simply saying my immune system is highly efficient as a result of frequent challenges. Although vaccines infect the patient with a weakened strain of each respective virus, in my opinion its simply a way to coddle the immune system.

Of course, I've also built up a fair tolerance for raw meat, so I may be a little biased towards the natural health side of things.

Pootcrum
02-09-2011, 06:10 AM
It was a cure for cancer. At least, in the movie it was.

I thought it was something about a psycho in a car driving through our veins.

DOOKH8R
02-09-2011, 06:14 AM
It was a cure for cancer. At least, in the movie it was.

But George Carlin said such cannot be.

MrStabby1981
02-09-2011, 02:19 PM
One of my freinds just died from swine flu last month.