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prophet530
05-16-2007, 12:06 AM
Sony May Post Biggest Loss in 4 Years on PlayStation 3 Consoles

By Hiroshi Suzuki

May 15 (Bloomberg) -- Sony Corp., the world's second-largest consumer electronics maker, may report its biggest quarterly loss in four years after the PlayStation 3 game console failed to spur as much demand as Nintendo Co.'s Wii player.

The net loss at Tokyo-based Sony may have widened to 75.8 billion yen ($630 million) in the fiscal fourth quarter ended March 31, from 66.5 billion yen a year earlier, according to the median estimate of 11 analysts surveyed by Bloomberg. Sales probably rose 9.5 percent to 2.02 trillion yen, the survey showed.

PlayStation 3 is being outsold by Wii by about two to one, causing Sony's game division, its second-largest by revenue, to post a fourth-quarter loss of 121 billion yen and a record 245 billion yen deficit for the fiscal year, according to five of the 11 analysts. The loss may exceed profits from electronics such as Bravia televisions, and the movie unit, whose ``Spider-Man 3'' generated record box-office sales when it opened this month.

``The extent of the recovery in the game business will be the main theme this fiscal year,'' said Naoki Fujiwara, who oversees $720 million at Shinkin Asset Management Co. in Tokyo.

Chief Executive Officer Howard Stringer, 65, who took over in 2005, promised to raise the company's percentage of annual operating profit, or sales minus the cost of goods sold and administrative expenses, to 5 percent of revenue by the end of March 2008. That would be the highest annual operating margin since the year ended 1999.

``This year will be the first time Stringer's management really comes under scrutiny,'' said Fujiwara.

Sony spokesman Shigenori Yoshida declined to comment for this article because the company reports earnings tomorrow.

Record Games Loss

Sony will probably fall short and generate an operating margin of 4.1 percent, according to the survey. Last fiscal year, Sony had an operating profit of 80 billion yen, or 1 percent of sales, the survey showed.

Production delays for PlayStation 3 have left Sony in third place in worldwide sales of the newest generation of consoles behind Nintendo's Wii and Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360. Sony is still the world's biggest console maker because of sales of its older PlayStation 2 machines.

Ken Kutaragi, developer of the PlayStation game consoles, will step down in June after production stumbles forced the company to slash shipment targets.

By comparison, Kyoto-based Nintendo last month reported profit in the company's latest quarter jumped sevenfold on sales of Wii consoles and portable DS game players. The company expects to sell 14 million Wii units this fiscal year, more than double the number sold in the previous year it was introduced. The Wii features a motion-sensor controller that allows a user to play virtual games of tennis and bowling, and costs about $250, half the price of the PlayStation 3.

Price Cuts

Sony sold 501,000 PlayStation 3 consoles in the U.S. from January to March, compared with Wii sales of 1.03 million, according to market researcher NPD Group Inc., based in Port Washington, New York. Microsoft sold 721,000 Xbox 360 players.

More than 205 million PlayStation and PlayStation 2 consoles have been sold worldwide since 1995. Sony in September cut the retail price of the PlayStation 3 in Japan before sales started.

The company also had to postpone the launch of the game machine in Europe by four months to March, because of a production delay in parts used in the Blu-ray DVD player used in the console.

``The 5 percent margin target is reachable if there is no price cut in the PS3,'' said Hitoshi Kuriyama, an analyst at Merrill Lynch Japan Securities Co., who has a ``buy'' rating on Sony. ``But I'm expecting a 20 percent price cut this fiscal year, and if that happens, the margin will not reach 5 percent.''

Bravias, Cyber-shots

Sony probably generated profit from all divisions other than games in the latest quarter, led by the consumer electronics business, as a weaker yen helped bolster sales of Bravia televisions and Cyber-shot digital cameras.

Operating profit from the consumer electronics division, second only to Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. in terms of sales, will probably rise 43 percent to 283 billion yen this fiscal year, after climbing to 198 billion yen in the preceding 12-month period, according to the Bloomberg survey.

The weaker yen, which increases the value of overseas sales when repatriated back home, has helped Japanese exporters including Toyota Motor Corp. and Canon Inc. report higher profit in the latest quarter.

Spider-Man, Resident Evil

Profit from the movie division will probably rise 43 percent to 50 billion yen this fiscal year, boosted by ``Spider-Man 3'' and the third installment of ``Resident Evil'' featuring Milla Jovovich, according to the Bloomberg survey.

``The question is the balance between the electronics business and the game business,'' said Koichi Takatsuka, who oversees $1 billion at UAM Japan Inc. in Tokyo. ``And the question regarding Mr. Stringer is whether he is able to be a strong leader and show a clear vision.''

To contact the reporter on this story: Hiroshi Suzuki in Tokyo at Hsuzuki5@bloomberg.net (Hsuzuki5@bloomberg.net)

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I told my friends last summer Sony was gonna flop on this. Wouldn't it be great to hear whats going on a corporate. Someones got some explaining to do.

xX MaslaN Xx
05-16-2007, 01:23 AM
this guy has the best achievement unlocked i have see yet....

anyway lol that sucks for sony lol they only make 1 good game anyway and thats socom

L3giOn
05-16-2007, 01:52 AM
Wow, they lost a lot of yen.

graf1k
05-16-2007, 01:56 AM
It's not actually official yet, but it's bound to be true. That said, it's not going to be near enough to put Sony out of business or anything along those lines. Hell, Microsoft has lost something along the lines of $1.5 billion on the original Xbox and 360 thus far. Given, they have much deeper pockets and, on the whole, the company is extremely healthy.

XxJU571NxX
05-16-2007, 01:59 AM
Well at least sony has many other divisions of thier company to fall back on so they'll be back.

prophet530
05-16-2007, 02:01 AM
The amazing part is they are still going to make a profit as a whole 4.1%! But they won't make the 5% they wanted. Spiderman saves the day again.

BlaZiN cdn
05-16-2007, 03:18 AM
That made my day to hear the PS3 is not doing so well:woop:

DeW222
05-16-2007, 05:02 AM
Sony's a very broad company with their eyes on the bigger picture. How many PS2's has Sony sold? Like... 100 million? (exaggerating here... but not by much) And they're still selling them!

In any case, I do believe what some analysts are saying, in that PS3 is starting off slow, but towards 2010 will drastically pick up and all this misfortune will be a laughable thing of the past. To what extent, I do not know.

prophet530
05-16-2007, 06:40 AM
Sony's a very broad company with their eyes on the bigger picture. How many PS2's has Sony sold? Like... 100 million? (exaggerating here... but not by much) And they're still selling them!

In any case, I do believe what some analysts are saying, in that PS3 is starting off slow, but towards 2010 will drastically pick up and all this misfortune will be a laughable thing of the past. To what extent, I do not know.
It wouldn't surpise me if you were right. The code is just so complicated compared to 360. Really hard to develope for.

Flea
05-16-2007, 12:09 PM
The same thing happened when the ps2 was released,
major companys know they are going to be at a loss when they release a new console for a long time,
and as such make allowances,
So its not really suprising,
they wont see any profit on the ps3`s for about another year or 2.

WildManWiles01
05-16-2007, 12:15 PM
Nah nah nah naaaaaaahhhh..... NAH NAH NAH NAHHHHHH.......

HEY HEY HEY.... GOOOOOODDDDBYYYYYEEEEEE .....

*good riddance PS3* Say hello to the baddest ass console on the planet... x360.... booyah gramma....

(yea its 3am)

Flea
05-16-2007, 01:02 PM
Nah nah nah naaaaaaahhhh..... NAH NAH NAH NAHHHHHH.......

HEY HEY HEY.... GOOOOOODDDDBYYYYYEEEEEE .....

*good riddance PS3* Say hello to the baddest ass console on the planet... x360.... booyah gramma....

(yea its 3am)

Wow what an idiot,
do you not understand if sony went out of buisness then there would be less competition,
sony do make some good games as well like god of war,ratchet and clank,gran tourismo and many more,
its in everyones best intrests that sony stay in competition to microsoft,
i cant understand why some idiots say this games cack or that games cack because its on another system,
at the end of the day your only fooling yourself and not getting the true joy of being a gamer.
Long live Sony,Microsoft and Nintendo.
I love being a gamer,
F*ck the fan boys.

WildManWiles01
05-16-2007, 01:52 PM
Wow what an idiot,
do you not understand if sony went out of buisness then there would be less competition,
sony do make some good games as well like god of war,ratchet and clank,gran tourismo and many more,
its in everyones best intrests that sony stay in competition to microsoft,
i cant understand why some idiots say this games cack or that games cack because its on another system,
at the end of the day your only fooling yourself and not getting the true joy of being a gamer.
Long live Sony,Microsoft and Nintendo.
I love being a gamer,
F*ck the fan boys.

Whoa buddy... relax. It was just a fun little remark about their loss of sales. No need to go around calling someone an idiot. I realize they have some decent games... but take the comment for what it was, a joke... and move on.

ThrillKillBill
05-16-2007, 04:50 PM
i'm enjoying their profit loss simply because this might make them reconsider some of their products, and prices......... we might see a console price drop to boost game sells here........ no way to know for sure but if they accepted this loss, took a lil larger loss on the consoles they'd possibly have more gain on the games themselves.........

i don't want sony to completely flop, i just want them hurt awhile so they'll wisen up

angry
05-16-2007, 04:58 PM
We all knew that this would happen, we have been talking about it for ages and now it's finaly happend.

Kaens
05-16-2007, 05:22 PM
Sony's a very broad company with their eyes on the bigger picture. How many PS2's has Sony sold? Like... 100 million? (exaggerating here... but not by much) And they're still selling them! It says right in the article it's 205 million worldwide.

Don't take it for granted that the big dog will makes it way back people. This is not the first time we've seen the market dominator totally take their lead for granted and get their ass handed to them. Nintendo did it to Atari, Sony did it to Nintendo, now will MS do it to Sony? Yet to be seen, but from someone that spouted the "oh it's Nintendo, they'll be back to #1" for over a decade (N64 & Gamecube) I can tell you it's not that easy.

prophet530
05-16-2007, 05:22 PM
its in everyones best intrests that sony stay in competition to microsoft,
i cant understand why some idiots say this games cack or that games cack because its on another system,
at the end of the day your only fooling yourself and not getting the true joy of being a gamer.
Long live Sony,Microsoft and Nintendo.
I love being a gamer,

I agree we will end up with windows or pontiacs for games. Reliable and sturdy with no real flash or excitement.

I think however Nintendo is in a league of thier own. They don't compete they just keep being Nintendo. With 4 of the top 5 all time games. 185 million copies of Mario alone. Who are they competeing against? By the end of the year they may pass 360 in total sales. Halo 3 may delay that but they will pass the 360.

I own all 3 systems they all have good points and bad points. At this juncture the 360 by far has the most good points. Plus 360 has those addicting achievements. PS 3 just needs some games.

Eyeradicate
05-16-2007, 05:28 PM
Yeah, Flea, It was just a poke at Sony because of them saying how next gen and how it will blow everything else out of the water....then this happens.... I personally think sony has some few games...but now that I've tasted achievements there is a lack of fun of unlocking things and doing certian tasks in other games other than on the 360.......Oh well....

Flea
05-16-2007, 10:38 PM
I know it was a poke at sony,
but no one else sick of fanboys?
Maybe my post came across wrong with me putting f*ck the fanboys on the end,
but at the end of the day f*ck the fanboys.

highpass
05-17-2007, 10:36 AM
The only thing Sony are guilty of is having the worst/most arrogant/FUD-like public relations in the history of mankind, that's all they need to take care of. As Flea says without Sony the oneupmanship-style competition would end and we'd all be up shit creek without a dingy, let alone a paddle.

I wouldn't be surprised if this doesn't faze Sony in the slightest... They have time to recoup, and in all likeliness will do so.

Fuck the fanboys. Play games, not names. (ugh - sorry). And don't give me that "there's no worthy games out on it" crap as we all know it's in its infancy, and has the potential to outshine the 360 in many areas.

JJ UK
05-17-2007, 01:52 PM
Well, I can't say I didnt see this coming

F089H
05-23-2007, 03:17 PM
Wow what an idiot,
do you not understand if sony went out of buisness then there would be less competition,
sony do make some good games as well like god of war,ratchet and clank,gran tourismo and many more,
its in everyones best intrests that sony stay in competition to microsoft,
i cant understand why some idiots say this games cack or that games cack because its on another system,
at the end of the day your only fooling yourself and not getting the true joy of being a gamer.
Long live Sony,Microsoft and Nintendo.
I love being a gamer,
F*ck the fan boys.

Thats how I intend to stay on this whole situation...Im in this for the Games..It's about having fun.not who is doing bad and Who we want to see fall.Thats not bad.. considering M$ lost $4+ Billion on the Original Xbox....Just play the Games!

HowardsTurn
05-23-2007, 08:27 PM
What's the difference of Sony being out or in? If Microsoft is not making good games due to the lack of competition we won't buy their games...right?

magictroll
05-24-2007, 02:33 PM
That made my day to hear the PS3 is not doing so well:woop:

Why would it?

Ghost x360a
06-07-2007, 11:19 PM
I kind of knew they would lose a bit of money with the price and the small amount of upcoming games.