is everyone quick to boot for an accidental betray??

[ajennice]

When you use the lock on targeting, throw a rocket and someone walks into the blast or toss a stick on a baddie and he charges your pals....may as well get ready to fire up a new game.
Bungie need to do a 3 strike betrayal system on some game types.

On the rocket boards you'll see at least 1 guy get booted each game.....

I goosed a phantom on the city board and I'll be damned the buy watched me do it and then ran into the circle WHILE it fired... I got a killionaire and a betrayal and poof.. back to lobby.

[The Walrus]

I don't boot anyone unless they continue to do it for 2-3 times depending on the way they betray me. I get booted from loads of matches as well simply because a mongoose tries to splatter an enemy with a sticky on his chest or firing a rocket and someone runs infront of it. People don't understand that to win matches, you need an equal amount of people on both teams in most cases.

Most people think its "funny" to boot people, but its not, In more cases than I care to mention its the booter's fault that they were betrayed. I've even been put on probation because I've been kicked that many times.

Bottom line is; Don't boot people unless they really meant to betray you and even then give them at least one chance to see if they'll do it again.

[VinasErgoth]

Assholes will be assholes. I hate being betrayed myself and will only boot if I know it was deliberate. A friend of mine today got accidently betrayed, and almost kicked the guy until I intervened.

An enemy ghost was circling him, and a team-mate began to jack it. But before the enemy lost control of it, he sped right toward my friend, and in the end counted as a betrayal. Luckily for the guy I was watching the whole thing, so he was forgiven.

All I can suggest is to keep playing, be fair when given the option to kick, and try to enjoy the games where you don't get booted for someone else's stupid fault. :)

[Juun]

I never boot people who accidently betray me. If the situation isnt clear I give them the opinion of the doubt.

[xxxxHolic]

There's a thread for this, and it also wouldn't work. People would just team kill within the allowed amount just to grieve. Proof of that was in a previous thread where someone would take the shields down of their teammates and allow the enemies to finish them. Normally, I don't boot unless I'm pretty sure they're douches, and if it's iffy, then I watch the game in the theater. Saw some guy simply try to complete a daily challenge and literally just shot at his teammates until he ran out of ammo and stood in a corner the rest of the game. Needless to say, he was avoided. I'm pretty sure I've left more negative feedback on players alone than most of the Live community combined, and sadly, with good reason too.

[ajennice]

Some good ones up there. Usually a friend and I play together. If one of us gets booted for some accident the other will force a boot by doing a purposeful betrayal.
As the above reply stated just leave neg feedbakc/blockt he guy who is the ass of it. I do that alot. If I accidentally betray a guy, I'll apologize and say when i was doing.. if he lets it slide, i will just steer clear of him the rest of the round. If i get booted anyhoe, I just block him and keep going.

SOON, I should have about 100 or so people I can play with because everyone will be ont he aviod list...LOL

[Kakaaaaaaa]

I boot when I know its deliberate ie getting sniped in the head waiting on a wave in firefight. In matchmaking I hate booting as it drops my team a player but has to be done sometimes. (why bungie cant allow players to join mid game is beyond me, its not even like it was something new when the original Halo launched)

[TJ CKY]

I only boot if the person that betrayed me is doing shit.
if they are getting more deaths than kills

[Epic Henchman]

Well I think that the majority of betrays I've had have been because of people who have been way too trigger happy with grenades and rockets, and for that I will kick without any thought since if you don't look before you shoot then you really shouldn't be playing.

[Cygnes]

Ive been betrayed a good few times now and I have yet to boot anyone. When youre lobbing explosives around. Ppl are going to get blown up HA!

[Gamma]

Well I think that the majority of betrays I've had have been because of people who have been way too trigger happy with grenades and rockets, and for that I will kick without any thought since if you don't look before you shoot then you really shouldn't be playing. Like you've never accidentily betrayed somebody.

After playing this game for a long time, you get into a kind of autopilot mode during battle. Sometimes your fingers react before your brain tells them to, and you can't help it if a teammate is trying to rush somebody and walks over your grenade. Throwing the grenade would have been the appropriate move otherwise.

[Totally Dubbed]

Here check this out....whilst being the MVP:
YouTube - Halo Reach - Booted - Team Snipers

[mejimmeh45]

I can tell if its deliberate, but i hate getting booted out of infection because your a human you kill the zombie at the same time and it counts as a betrayal.

[Epic Henchman]

Like you've never accidentily betrayed somebody.
Only once when somebody landed directly in front of me when I was shooting the enemy at close range with the shotgun, the first shot only took down the enemy shields and my "team mate" was obviously trying to melee him before I had a chance to finish him off. Incidentally he had been doing the same thing to everybody else on the team. What I don't get is why people don't understand the idea of not charging in when somebody already shooting at the enemy and vice versa.

After playing this game for a long time, you get into a kind of autopilot mode during battle. Sometimes your fingers react before your brain tells them to,
Thats probably a good time to have a rest for 5 minutes.

and you can't help it if a teammate is trying to rush somebody and walks over your grenade. Throwing the grenade would have been the appropriate move otherwise.
Well it all depends on who started the attack first, if you threw the grenade first and your team mate charged in regardless then it's his own fault but if your team mate was already in melee range and then you threw it that it is your fault. What I was trying to get at was the people who use explosives even though they know somebody is nearby or can't be bothered to have a quick glance at the motion sensor.

[CYBER GRIMM]

heres 1 for you guys, i beat my team to the tank and start blasting away taking the enemy to pieces, blowing thier ghosts and warthogs etc, thinking bloody hell am gonna get sum serious creds at the end of this but wait, sumone on my team doesnt like the fact i got the tank before them, gets onto the tank and starts jumping up and down in front of the turrent until he gets caught in the blast, straight away i was booted. i fail to see how thts fair when im playing the game properly, at the top of the boards and a major asset to my team while defending the flag. it really annoys me just cus sum lil 14 yr old wants the tank yet they dont know how to utilise its full potential in a game.

[English cpt]

I always forgive people. Especially in rocketfight you have to give people the benefit of the doubt. Unless it's a blatant point blank shot to the head would I ever boot someone.

[Gamma]

Thats probably a good time to have a rest for 5 minutes. I didn't mean in one sitting. ;p I meant for people who have played the Halo games for a long time, and having been in so many battles, you almost start falling into a routine. After all that repetition, it's almost hard to stop yourself from doing things like that sometimes.


Well it all depends on who started the attack first, if you threw the grenade first and your team mate charged in regardless then it's his own fault but if your team mate was already in melee range and then you threw it that it is your fault. What I was trying to get at was the people who use explosives even though they know somebody is nearby or can't be bothered to have a quick glance at the motion sensor. Well sometimes it's just unavoidable on both sides. You throw the grenade before or at the exact moment he begins to rush, but he fails to see or hear the grenade until it's too late.

It's just something that happens sometimes, and it's nobody's fault, but people do seem way too eager to boot somebody when that message pops up without even analyzing what may have happened. It just seems that they only do it out of spite, even though it may end up costing your team the match. I've even seen people boot on Firefight when we have infinite lives. It makes no sense.

Also this.

YouTube - Halo Reach Lag Betrayal

My very own perfect example of a blameless betrayal.

[KAG1092]

I only boot if I'm 100 % certain the person did it on purpose. I don't care if I stole a kill, that's no reason to TK.

Besides, who wants to play with a team that's one short? You'll probably lose.

[Hybridchld]

The worst one I had was in a firefight game me and two friends where playing with some random guy. The random killed me twice and one of my friends once with badly placed fire in a Rocketfight game.

Each time we forgave him becasue its Rocketfight, it happens. Half way through the second wave he jetpacked right in front of one of my rockets, he then booted me for it!

The joke was on him though because my two friends where on my Xbox and went with me. He then sent us all abusive voice messages raging at us for ruining his game!

We all filed complaints against him.

[Sniper JZA80]

I have never booted anyone for betraying me as it has only been accidental and in the the heat of battle mistakes happen. This is especially true with rocketfight where I have betrayed as many who have betrayed me. Thankfully I too have been given the benefit if the doubt!

Might have something to do with playing all my matchmaking with good connection turned on so I only ever play against other Aussies and we tend to be more forgiving.

[ni9ht_5ta1k3r]

i don't boot cos the team needs the numbers :)

[Pieville]

I don't boot unless it was on purpose. Though one time I was tempted to boot a team mate because he did the most stupidest thing.

The enemy used armor lock so me and 2 team mates were surrounding him, one of the team mates decided to throw a grenade at him even though we were like 2 cm away from him. BOOM I die. But he was the best player of our team so I forgave him.

[operation remie]

i always get booted for accidental betrays. i wouldn't boot anyone tho.

[Direkin]

I've committed a few betrayals, and many occasions it was pretty bad. Had me thinking I was definitely going to get booted, but surprisingly I still haven't been booted yet. Okay, there was one betrayal that wasn't an accident; I punched a guy in the face, no-scoped him with a sniper then teabagged him, but he was annoying the heck out of me (may have been ADHD), and even he didn't boot me, instead he just found it funny.

Also been on the receiving end of betrayals, and haven't booted anyone to date either. Most of them were clearly accidents, though one I'm not too sure about, especially when I'm in a tank and someone team kills with a rocket launcher... Unless the person is constantly team killing everyone (I've actually seen this in one game on the other side) it's just not a good idea to boot anyway; you need that extra firepower.

[Atroxx70]

I don't boot unless it was on purpose. Though one time I was tempted to boot a team mate because he did the most stupidest thing.

The enemy used armor lock so me and 2 team mates were surrounding him, one of the team mates decided to throw a grenade at him even though we were like 2 cm away from him. BOOM I die. But he was the best player of our team so I forgave him.

To be honest that guy probably just cost the other team two points. If you're standing that close to a guy in armor lock, chances are really high that he's going to EMP your shields and easily beat you down. You should never be standing withing grenade distance of someone in armor lock.

[sanctusmortis]

I've done 3 betrayals, all grenade related, and not been booted yet. I also don't boot betrayers, unless it's "killing to get your gear".

[ni9ht_5ta1k3r]

i accidentally shot a guy on my own team cos i was trying to DMR an opposing team member: didn't get booted.

[HellspawnRei]

I got booted once , a rocket lost its way lol.
But i never boot others.
Just let everyone enjoy this game even if they make mistakes

[Pieville]

To be honest that guy probably just cost the other team two points. If you're standing that close to a guy in armor lock, chances are really high that he's going to EMP your shields and easily beat you down. You should never be standing withing grenade distance of someone in armor lock.

I see what you mean but I'm pretty sure we could've taken him.

[the_b1ues]

Some good ones up there. Usually a friend and I play together. If one of us gets booted for some accident the other will force a boot by doing a purposeful betrayal.
As the above reply stated just leave neg feedbakc/blockt he guy who is the ass of it. I do that alot. If I accidentally betray a guy, I'll apologize and say when i was doing.. if he lets it slide, i will just steer clear of him the rest of the round. If i get booted anyhoe, I just block him and keep going.

SOON, I should have about 100 or so people I can play with because everyone will be ont he aviod list...LOL

The avoid thing as never worked for me the amount of times ive avoided someone and i still end up seeing them again. The whole rep thing is crap

[Epic Henchman]

Well sometimes it's just unavoidable on both sides. You throw the grenade before or at the exact moment he begins to rush, but he fails to see or hear the grenade until it's too late.
Yeah but for me, those occasions have been few and far between. I think it's only ever happened once to me and I forgave them if I remember rightly, but about 80% of the time it has just been people that were over competitive and just shooting without thinking.

but people do seem way too eager to boot somebody when that message pops up without even analyzing what may have happened.
Well yeah if your not sure what happened then it's always better to give the benefit of the doubt but again, most of the times I've been TK were pretty simple with me beating down an enemy only to find a grenade bounce by my feet.

It just seems that they only do it out of spite, even though it may end up costing your team the match. I've even seen people boot on Firefight when we have infinite lives. It makes no sense. But to me that doesn't sound right, deciding not to boot someone for the sake of the scores. I think the most important thing is to be able to enjoy a match without getting TK by overly competitive players rather than actually wining the match.


Also this.

YouTube - Halo Reach Lag Betrayal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHbgLVUjJxo)

My very own perfect example of a blameless betrayal.
I think that's more of a glitch that a betrayal.

[ni9ht_5ta1k3r]

i managed to grenade a dude when they had just come out of armor lock the grenade exploded.....ahahahahahaha!!!

[Junzi Nicuzn]

Also this.

YouTube - Halo Reach Lag Betrayal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHbgLVUjJxo)

My very own perfect example of a blameless betrayal.

That's not a lag betrayal, that is a spawn betrayal. I've done that once, and no lag was involved. It would seem occasionally, if you are against a wall or in a corner, your partner will spawn in the wall, killing him. Similar to the telefrag. Now I just make sure if I'm doing that to move away from the wall when the spawn warning pops up.

[Firvagor]

Sometimes, I swear when the betrayal screen comes up people go "wtf is this" and hit A to get rid of it. I barely even notice I betrayed someone and get booted.

I once accidentally stuck a teammate, but fortunately he got shot before he became a suicide bomber. :D I knew him anyway so I wouldn't have been booted, but it was still an "oh crap!" moment.

[Carmona25]

seriously guys...2 pages of reply's?!?!?!

Why do you guys feel so entitled that the search function doesn't apply to you?


And this bull about it not working....at the bottom of the page there are page numbers just click to go to page 2 cause odds are you pushed the same thread to the next page with your duplicate thread.

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=259210&highlight=betrayal

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=259718&highlight=betrayal

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=258427&highlight=betrayal

[Graivul]

Generally speaking I don't use it because most of the time you can see it is someone just being a bit trigger-happy or careless with their "Hail Mary" grenade spams, or in "Rocket Fight" betrayals are almost guranteed anyway.

I have used it once or twice with a few pure dicks though, most recent was last night when I was btrayed for nearly getting to a Banshee that had just spawned before my team mate.

I think betrayal is useful especially for the inevitable dick you encounter every now and then.

[VanBoon]

I agree with the fact the screen pops up way to fast. In such a fast paced game it's easy to boot by mistake.

Personally unless i'm 100% sure there a t w at i always forgive. It should be two strikes though and not one.

[StW]

I think people have pleasure in booting people, so yeah its just assholes

[NomoreNiceGuy]

I have booten Two guys, the one was killing everyone on our team at the start and the other the same, but i have been asked to boot over 20 times now

[macpride]

accidental, no. Purposely, yes.

On a side note, if the person doing it does it multiple times accidently and he's actually being a detriment to our team, than yes, I will boot his ass.

[Burning Karma]

I've only booted one guy and that was because he sniped in the back of the head while I was standing still so it wasn't like I moved into his field of vision.

On the betrayal note, I've betrayed three people so far (all accidentally -- 2 with grenades and 1 with a rocket) and I've not been booted yet, thankfully.

[Man Demon]

It might be better if the boot button wasn't the same as the choose a different loadout button. I don't know how many times I've almost pushed boot when I was just trying to change my loadout after dying.

[mickjsg]

I must have been betrayed 8 times today, but I still didn't boot anyone, not even the loser who killed me as the Invasion round was ending.

[crazy W01f 816]

I don't boot anyone, unless I know it was intentional and it's pretty obvious when it is.

[ThrustPumpkin]

yeah i got booted for betraying a teammate in firefight (with rockets). his dumb ass kept running down to where all of the enemies were. its kinda hard not to hit your teammate with all of the shooting.

[zombie stomp52]

i don't kick anyone. ever. unless i saw them run up to me, and them kill me, i will not boot them. accidents happen, and im quick to forgive. i am a bit of a klutz, and don't think my actions thru, so i often end up betraying people on accident. plus, im hoping Karma will repay me, one way or another.

[DOA_Rose]

I got booted for an accidental plasma stick on a cloaked teammate. So, yeah. People are bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling. Also, I haven't had any lag/spawn betrayals, but I have had weird lag-related suicides...and I've been killed by guys who weren't anywhere to be seen, even on the radar. Stupid internets...