This (among other things) is why I hate Vegans. [Archive]

The Pants Party

05-03-2007, 09:56 PM

http://wsbradio.com/news/050207vegan.html

ATLANTA (AP) A Superior Court jury in Atlanta convicted a vegan couple of murder and cruelty to children Wednesday in the death of their six-week old, who was fed a diet largely consisting of soy milk and apple juice.

27-year-old Jade Sanders and 31-year-old and Lamont Thomas will receive automatic life sentences for starving the boy, who weighed just 3.5 pounds when he died.

Defense lawyers said the first-time parents did the best they could while adhering to the lifestyle of vegans, who typically use no animal products. They said Sanders and Thomas did not realize the baby, who was born at home, was in danger until minutes before he died.

But prosecutor Mike Carlson told the jury yesterday during closing arguments that they are ``baby killers.''

The jury deliberated about seven hours before returning the guilty verdicts.

Any vegans on the boards here, I'm sorry, but you're idiots. I'm eating double meat tonight for these assholes.

ThrillKillBill

05-03-2007, 10:10 PM

i won't hate anybody just for their lifestyle choices but i will hate somebody whom forces their lifestyles on somebody else. and i'll choose to hate these to parents because they should have noticed that their child wasn't healthy beforehand. if your child does nothing but stares at empty space, if you can see your childs entire bone structure, then your child is unhealthy. get help or suffy the consequences, i hope they are turned down for atleast their first 2 parole hearings.

Shaaady Souljah

05-03-2007, 10:18 PM

i went to a art+design school for 4 years, where about half the people were vegan AND NONE of them look healthy... i just don't understand it. i have had numerous debates/discussions about it too, and it just does not make sense to me. vegetarians i can understand, but vegans push it a little too far.

Buttcheeks

05-03-2007, 10:29 PM

Thats sick the court system should force these bastard to eat meat for thier entire prison sentence. How people can be so stupid as to starve a baby is beyond me. I hope they rot in jail forever.

ac2565

05-03-2007, 10:39 PM

http://wsbradio.com/news/050207vegan.html

Any vegans on the boards here, I'm sorry, but you're idiots. I'm eating double meat tonight for these assholes.
I'm expecting both of them to die in prison due to not eating meat.

Nodogg

05-03-2007, 10:53 PM

I'm expecting both of them to die in prison due to not eating meat.

I suspect they both will be eating a little "meat" while in prison. Here's the thing though, why waste the money putting these people in prison? It's much cheaper for a bullet and a shovel. :eek:

Maka

05-03-2007, 11:01 PM

Im with "ThrillKillBill"

I really dont care if someone else is a vegan or whatever they want, as long as they dont try to make me one of them. If they choose so, they can, but dont show me videos on how animals are slaughtered in the process. Id pick meat over chemically made vegan fodd any day.

graf1k

05-03-2007, 11:02 PM

Natalie Portman is a vegan so I make an exception for her, but other than that, vegans just make me want to shove greasy McDonald's Quarter Pounders down their throats until they suffocate.

SarkeBeeley

05-03-2007, 11:46 PM

OH MY GOD. Firstly I'm vegan and I'm surprised how narrow minded some of you are. I think this story is horrendous, if they chose to make their child vegan (which I'm not totally sure I agree with, I'd have to think about it) it isn't any different from choosing to let your child eat crap like McD's or eat meat in general, or be a certain religion. You choose your child's lifestyle (including what school they go to, how much tv they watch and stuff) because you think you're doing what's best for them. Now the fact that this child was neglected is another matter. If you start judging them just because they are vegan then you're as bad as those idiots who believe people go out and shoot a whole bunch of people because they play Hitman or something.

I don't preach to my friends, I've been vegan a year and was vegetarian for about 16 years before that. I used to make my ex meals that had meat in and when I go out to eat I try to go to places where any meat-eater I go with can tuck into whatever the hell they want.

Vegans can have crap diets just as easily as meat eaters can, you have to make sure you have a well rounded diet either way and yes I get all the nutrients I need from other things. I'm rarely ill and I'm certainly not malnourished.

Judge these idiots on the fact that they neglected their child, not that they didn't tuck into a bloody steak once a week.

ThrillKillBill

05-04-2007, 12:02 AM

SarkeBeeley, i see nothing wrong with you or anybody else being a vegan. i personally like red meat but otherwise i have a pretty much vegaterian diet. i'm sorry if i came off narrow-minded because thats not what this was about. this couple here chose to endanger this childs life because like you said, there can be good-dieted vegans and bad-dieted meat-eaters and vice-vurses. your right as vegan parents the likely-hood of their children being raised vegan is high. this is perfectly fine but it HAS too be a healthy diet. period.
don't get me entirely wrong, a part of me feels sorry for the parents lose of their child, truly terrible experience reguardless of the cause but they were responsible with keeping their child healthy. the fact that they were completely clueless of how unhealthy their child was until very shorty before his death suggests all kinds of things to me. i don't want them prisoned for being vegans, i want them prisoned for being terrible parents.

SarkeBeeley

05-04-2007, 12:39 AM

I completely agree with you, you weren't one of the people I was referring to as narrow minded!!

The Pants Party

05-04-2007, 05:46 AM

I completely agree with you, you weren't one of the people I was referring to as narrow minded!!

We have canine teeth for a reason, which is tearing through meat. We were designed to eat meat. Aside from that simple fact, I may overreact and say I hate vegans, but really, I just hate stupid vegans who throw rallies and make documentaries, don't shower and all that jazz. I don't mind people living their lives, but if they take everything just too far to show the whole world how different and special they are, it just irritates me. I feel the same way about overzealous religious types. Live your life, but make sure it's not endangering anyone or forcing it on someone who can't make their own choices. This is a classic example. They could have gone to a hospital to birth their child and they definitely should have taken it to a pediatrician to make sure it was in good health, but they thought they knew everything because they probably read it on the internet, and they ended up killing their baby because they wanted to be a super-special vegan family.

Fonkey Monkey

05-04-2007, 05:51 AM

little known fact: when you dont eat meat, you grow little vaginas all over your body, eventually, you just become one giant pussy.

:p

razzleson

05-04-2007, 05:51 AM

We have canine teeth for a reason, which is tearing through meat. We were designed to eat meat. Aside from that simple fact, I may overreact and say I hate vegans, but really, I just hate stupid vegans who throw rallies and make documentaries, don't shower and all that jazz. I don't mind people living their lives, but if they take everything just too far to show the whole world how different and special they are, it just irritates me. I feel the same way about overzealous religious types. Live your life, but make sure it's not endangering anyone or forcing it on someone who can't make their own choices. This is a classic example. They could have gone to a hospital to birth their child and they definitely should have taken it to a pediatrician to make sure it was in good health, but they thought they knew everything because they probably read it on the internet, and they ended up killing their baby because they wanted to be a super-special vegan family.
I was going to post earlier but had to leave and now I'm happy I didn't. The above pretty much sums it up.

I could care less if you worshiped grass and though mankind stemmed from a peanut. Just don't preech on me whatever your beliefs are. I choose to live my life how I want, not how you want.

Aside from the whole "vegan debate" (or whatever you'd like to call what this thread has turned into) this is just a story of horrible parenting. The kid could have been extremely obese on a vegan diet, it all consists of what the parents had fed him/her.

little known fact: when you dont eat meat, you grow little vaginas all over your body, eventually, you just become one giant pussy.
Fucking classic. :D

EDIT: Joke = Fun with Veal (link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun_With_Veal))

magictroll

05-04-2007, 06:38 AM

I'm not vegan or vegetarian, God knows how much I love meat, but there's nothing wrong with being either. If someone believes its the way to go, then I don't see what's wrong with them arguing their point either. Freedom of speech people.

Besides, as unhealthy as that lifestyle might or might NOT be, living off McFood is undebateably worse.

Nothingface

05-04-2007, 06:39 AM

:bow: little known fact: when you dont eat meat, you grow little vaginas all over your body, eventually, you just become one giant pussy.

Is feeding the child breast milk also breaking vegan rules cuz if it is i cant see this being the first time this has happened. The first time a baby has died not turning into a giant pussy.;)

Minty

05-04-2007, 10:57 AM

This isnt really about them being Vegans, just being so dumb that they didnt think a 3.5lb baby maybe at risk. Idiots.

Lets leave the loco vegans alone. Their time will come :p

ThaPrototype

05-04-2007, 03:11 PM

little known fact: when you dont eat meat, you grow little vaginas all over your body, eventually, you just become one giant pussy.
:p

Awesome!

Sad story but... I'm not trying to single out vegans but we have 2 of them my circle of friends. They all act high and mighty about their diet choice and think that every thing other people eat is trash. I'm sorry but if you don't have a juicy steak every once in a while, you're living a sad life. Reminds me of Travis Barker (Blink 182). He's a vegan and broke his hand drumming! because as a vegan he wasn't getting all the nutrients your body needs.

BlaZiN cdn

05-04-2007, 09:15 PM

They all act high and mighty about their diet choice and think that every thing other people eat is trash.

I agree, I dislike vegans because they think they're better than normal people because we eat meat, and as for the article up top, I think the parents should get sentenced to death, they deserve it IMO.

Kaens

05-04-2007, 10:21 PM

i won't hate anybody just for their lifestyle choices but i will hate somebody whom forces their lifestyles on somebody else.
Exactly. "Oh we didn't know our baby was unhealthy!" Are you f'n kidding me? That kid weighed half what my son did when he was born! I'm an eye for an eye kind of guy, I wish those people would be forced to starve to death.

Im a Manatee

05-05-2007, 03:12 AM

Thats sick the court system should force these bastard to eat meat for thier entire prison sentence. How people can be so stupid as to starve a baby is beyond me. I hope they rot in jail forever.

I'm calling it now, death by buttsecks.

David and Jared

05-05-2007, 03:41 AM

Their is a reason we rose to the top of the food chain. It's to eat meat!:woop:

magictroll

05-05-2007, 04:10 AM

It's easy to hate on the parents but chances are, nothing you could do to them is worse than living with the guilt. They might be stupid, but they're still parents.

SarkeBeeley

05-05-2007, 06:46 PM

I agree, I dislike vegans because they think they're better than normal people because we eat meat.
Hmm interesting statement - so you dislike ALL vegans because we ALL think we're better than NORMAL people. Firstly ridiculously sweeping generalisations and secondly who are you to decide what's normal? I don't think I'm better than you just because I don't eat animal products, I think I'm better than you because I'm not so narrow minded :p

purplejoker

05-06-2007, 01:50 AM

There are more issues than just the vegan thing, too. Obviously they had problems. First, they decide to have the baby at home because....? I can see how some people may think it's a good idea to have their child in the comfort of their own home about as much as I can see it's a good idea going to strangers doors preaching the "word of god". What if there's difficulties? They must not have given a damn about their child's safety to begin with.

chaos bz

05-06-2007, 02:48 AM

purplejoker

05-06-2007, 06:01 AM

There are stupid people in every race,country,religion... It's a fact of life, anything taken to an extreme is bad.
I'm sorry for the baby, some people just shouldn't be trusted with the well-being of others.

Yes, freedoms are taken for granted. Some people shouldn't be allowed to have kids, but then you take even the imbeciles' freedoms away. :chair

Cyrex

05-06-2007, 02:47 PM

i could see being a vegitarian that might get on my nerves but being a vegan would kill me literally according to this article.

i think this is uncalled for parents should care more about there childs health than what they want the child to grow up to be, if your child dies then he won't grow up:drunk

ThrillKillBill

05-06-2007, 05:54 PM

I don't think I'm better than you just because I don't eat animal products, I think I'm better than you because I'm not so narrow minded :p

i understand what your saying and i'm sorry so much unnessesary hate seems to be hitting you on the sidelines. that being said i must say i already respect you alot and i'm beginning to really like you. we should hook up a game some and what not.

i guoted you because that sounds kinda close to one i like to say alot in real life. I don't think i'm better then you or anybodyelse, i just don't think anybodyelse or you are better then me.

big fan of equal and different lifestyles =-)

invincible rob

05-06-2007, 06:34 PM

I've never liked vegans, well sure if I met a vegan who didn't lecture me every time I go to eat something on how its "killing the enviroment" or "killing animals" that there are probably too many of anyway I would get along with them. but as far as I'm concerned so far they're just like relgious people who try and force beliefs on to you.

I can see where Sarke is coming from, but is it us who is narrow minded? although Blazin's post was as you put a little "narrow minded"
We eat a larger variety of food, Vegans only eat food which has not come from the ground, now who sounds narrow minded.
Overall it's two types of people who "Don't agree" about something, like everyone and everything else really.

ThrillKillBill

05-06-2007, 06:59 PM

we could atleast to agree to disagree on personal eating habits AND more importantly we could all agree that these were just bad parents. personally i think we should start closing down this conversation as its just going in circles now. =-)

R Rated Love

05-06-2007, 08:21 PM

spartancell

05-06-2007, 09:09 PM

i could see vegatarianism but vegan, i mean they can hardly look at animals

ThrillKillBill

05-07-2007, 03:03 AM

I think they should've left the decision to the child (when he came of age), as to weather he wanted to be a vegan or not.

And you can't attack a whole group of people because two of them made a stupid choice. I am sure many vegan parents have raised very healthy babies.

well thats the thing dude, no-matter how you raise your child when he/she comes of age, that child will decide how it'll live and not the parent. so really as long as the child stays healthy it don't matter how the parents raise the child with some obvious exceptions such as canabalism.

i could see vegatarianism but vegan, i mean they can hardly look at animals

i don't understand what your refering to here. please enlighten me

Grimm Uk

05-07-2007, 11:05 AM

Tbh the story is pretty sad about the child.. but about this rant over vegans and how many of you dont like them jeeezuz...

We are all different aint we. the way we look. the way we talk , everything.. everyone is different and everyone has there own choices.

If they dont want to eat meat fine.. its there choice i dont understand why you hate them over somthing they choose to do.

sadiesinner

05-07-2007, 11:05 PM

why waste the money putting these people in prison? It's much cheaper for a bullet and a shovel. :eek: yep and offer them steak for their last meal

chris n lana

05-08-2007, 08:36 PM

A quick question, how on earth did the parents manage to be that stupid? And why were they giving a 6 week old apple juice? Did they never hear of breast feeding?:confused:

R Rated Love

05-10-2007, 06:20 AM

A quick question, how on earth did the parents manage to be that stupid? And why were they giving a 6 week old apple juice? Did they never hear of breast feeding?:confused:

Vegans don't drink milk, though I'm not sure the Vegan stance on a mother's milk. Hence the soy milk.

ThaPrototype

05-10-2007, 02:38 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P102RO0&show_article=1

Well looks like this idiots got what they deserved. Bother were sentenced to malice murder, felony murder , involuntary manslaughter and cruelty to children.

SteelerXBox360

05-10-2007, 04:36 PM

ThrillKillBill

05-10-2007, 07:03 PM

Finally read this thread & I would like a chance to meet these parents to impose my will on them. Anyone who harms a defenseless child in any way deserves to be harmed themselves. I am so sick of codling these people who had no repect for human life, why should we as a society respect theirs?

Our country is great and all but our justice system is our "black eye" and whatever they do to these parents will not be enough. None of this neglect will ever stop with the way things are currently.

I also fault our other agencies that could have stepped in here or the babies doctor, if they ever had one. People should not be able to just have a child on their own and do what they want with it, it is not a toy. We as a society should take care of our own, that is why there are social workers, etc. in place. A lot of people are at fault here but the parents are to blame.

Lock them in a cell and throw away the key, no meals no nothing...

God Bless that baby, very sad indeed.

you can't fault anybody except the parents in this case. they birthed at home so no doctor involved. social working can't and won't get involved before they get a report (don't want mandadary social services calls because thats a affront to personal freedom everywhere) and they typiclly get reports from doctors (non here), teachers (too young) neighbors (why would any neighbor suspect anything, i'm betting not one of them ever visited the "vegan" neighbors ever) or family (seen nothing about eithers family which makes me believe they either don't exist anymore or were estrained over this couples lifechoice). the only other person i'd remotely like to discuss this with would have been the midwife whom delivered the child, but i don't know if they are required to do occational check-ups on new-borns (kinda think they should though).

i also disagree with you, this couple got exactly what they deserved. they got a double-whamming of having to deal with the guilt and life in prison which as the man said "is killing me slowly everyday, which'll take around 3 years". they is no need to torture these ppl any-further, they are tortured.

SteelerXBox360

05-10-2007, 08:00 PM

you can't fault anybody except the parents in this case. they birthed at home so no doctor involved. social working can't and won't get involved before they get a report (don't want mandadary social services calls because thats a affront to personal freedom everywhere) and they typiclly get reports from doctors (non here), teachers (too young) neighbors (why would any neighbor suspect anything, i'm betting not one of them ever visited the "vegan" neighbors ever) or family (seen nothing about eithers family which makes me believe they either don't exist anymore or were estrained over this couples lifechoice). the only other person i'd remotely like to discuss this with would have been the midwife whom delivered the child, but i don't know if they are required to do occational check-ups on new-borns (kinda think they should though).

i also disagree with you, this couple got exactly what they deserved. they got a double-whamming of having to deal with the guilt and life in prison which as the man said "is killing me slowly everyday, which'll take around 3 years". they is no need to torture these ppl any-further, they are tortured.

I am no fan of big brother here but someone should have done a follow-up on this kid from somewhere. I mean if you home tutor your kid, you have to fill out all of the paperwork, etc. for it to be legit.

This baby suffered from birth due to the parents decisions and is now dead without ever having been able to even have a choice about anything.

They should feel bad but it is not enough to just feel guilt for having purposely caused what happened. It is not like it was an accident, they deliberately starved this baby because of their lifestyle. They basically put a gun to this babies head, pulled the trigger and let it bleed out, so why not do the same to them?