Achievements = Crappy?

[RexDarr]

The achievements for Rock Band 3 remind me of Guitar Hero / Band Hero achievements, they seem bland and boring. Anyone else agree?

[oO Triple G Oo]

I do not agree, I think they're fine.

[Jester0700]

The only bad thing i see on the list is that for a couple achievments you have to download/ pay for some songs if you want the full 1000. Other then that, its a decent list in my opinion.

[toops]

The only bad thing i see on the list is that for a couple achievments you have to download/ pay for some songs if you want the full 1000. Other then that, its a decent list in my opinion. well technically you have to buy the songs for the extra 250 not the full 1000

[Dustinator]

The achievements for Rock Band 3 remind me of Guitar Hero / Band Hero achievements, they seem bland and boring. Anyone else agree?

No, I disagree. I like the achievements(IMO). However, I think it's kinda lame you need all the instruments(guitar/bass, drums, 3 mics and the keyboard) in order to get all the chievos. Course, this is purely the gamerscore whore in me. The variety of the list is great :)

[Skylenorman]

well technically you have to buy the songs for the extra 250 not the full 1000

Do you have to buy the songs? One of the achievements says play all the free Rock Band downloaded songs.

[Dustinator]

Do you have to buy the songs? One of the achievements says play all the free Rock Band downloaded songs.

Certain songs yes. Like a Queen track, that NIN song(Perfect Drug?), and more. You need to buy those in order to get the extra 250 gamerscore. NOT for the original 1,000 points. Those can be attained without needing to download a song

[Starstrukk X360A]

http://rockbandaide.com/7298/this-is-not-the-rock-band-3-achievement-list-youre-looking-for/

This is what I believe as well and I'm sticking to it.

[T-Hybrid]

Do you have to buy the songs? One of the achievements says play all the free Rock Band downloaded songs.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with the platform, but several discs of content have been released that can be exported into the main game. This includes RB1, LEGO, Green Day, and a handful of track packs.

For example, 2 Queen songs can be found in LEGO Rock Band if you performed that export.

If you are looking for 5 songs featuring Dave Grohl, there are 3 in RB1 ("Learn to Fly", "Go with the Flow" and "In Bloom"), 2 in RB2 ("Everlong" and "Drain You"), and at least 1 in RB3 ("Dead End Friends"). So if you've exported RB1 and do the inevitable RB2 export you will have the Grohl songs.

You will find "The Perfect Drug" on the exportable Track Pack Volume 2.

There are two Boston songs on the Classic Rock Track Pack ("Rock n' Roll Band", "Peace of Mind") and one if you export RB1 ("Foreplay/Long Time").

As far as playing 5/15/20 songs, if you purchased RB2 new you will get a promotional code to download 20 songs at no additional charge. So that covers three achievements there.

[Neverender]

http://rockbandaide.com/7298/this-is-not-the-rock-band-3-achievement-list-youre-looking-for/

This is what I believe as well and I'm sticking to it.
I agree. Harmonix hasn't ever made a DLC achievement, now they're shipping some with the disc?

And if this does turn out to be the real achievement list, I'm gonna be avoiding this game. The five star achievements were great. I was liking the list until the point where it tells you to buy a $130 fake guitar (or potentially $200+ low-quality real guitar), keyboard, and a cymbal kit for some achievements. $300 for 1000G? No thanks. I can see that they'd want to push the new peripherals, but IMO it's the wrong place to do it.

[T-Hybrid]

I agree. Harmonix hasn't ever made a DLC achievement, now they're shipping some with the disc?
Once HMX established that they were doing weekly DLC, and maintained it for about a year or so...the forum goers started asking about DLC achievements.

And they're not shipping with the disc. There's 1000 GS available using only the on-disc game. The DLC achievements begin with "Downloader" and make up the addtional 250 GS they are allowed per quarter.

So what if they haven't done it before. They also never had keys before...now they do.

[institutions]

I'm kind of disappointed. I wasn't planning on buying the Pro Guitar, but if I want the 1000 I now have to.

I guess this sort of gives me the excuse to spend 200+ goddamn dollars on it.

Also gives me an excuse to finally pick up the rest of the Boston tracks and all of the Queen ones :P

[Terarin]

Two thoughts from a n00b:

1. I don't see how achievements for pro guitar are any different than achievements for drums were 3 years ago.

2. The track packs have song specific achievements. I don't see this being different.

[mikachu93]

Once HMX established that they were doing weekly DLC, and maintained it for about a year or so...the forum goers started asking about DLC achievements.
If I can speak for myself, Hybrid, as a member of both x360a and the Rock Band forums, I never once asked for DLC-related achievements, though I have enough to get all the achievements on that list. :)

$300 for 1000G?
Well... $60 (game) + $150 minimum (Pro guitar) + $90 (Rock Band drums and cymbals) + $80 (keyboard) + $30 (three mics) + $28* (DLC, assuming all songs are $2) = $438. That's assuming you can find three microphones for $10 each, and you can still grab the original Rock Band drum set for $10 at Walmart. You could find the instruments cheaper if you bought them used, I suppose.

* - You need 20 downloaded songs for one achievement. Six can be downloaded for free, and while you could theoretically get the achievement with the 20 songs you get for free with a new copy of Rock Band 2, you still need a Queen song other than BoRhap, any Boston song, and A Perfect Drug. It would be cheaper to get twenty songs off the Marketplace and Rock Band Network than it costs to buy Rock Band 2 new, or at least today.

The track packs have song specific achievements. I don't see this being different.
The Track Packs include song-specific achievements, true, but all those songs are on-disc, and Track Packs don't read DLC. Green Day and The Beatles, however, do read downloaded songs (from their respective bands), and neither of them had a single achievement for a song that had to purchased.

[Terarin]

The Track Packs include song-specific achievements, true, but all those songs are on-disc, and Track Packs don't read DLC. Green Day and The Beatles, however, do read downloaded songs (from their respective bands), and neither of them had a single achievement for a song that had to purchased.

True. Not exactly what I was talking about... what I was trying to say is that track packs have song specific achievements, and therefore not unprecedented that song specific achievements pop up elsewhere. Ok, so they haven't yet. Yet.

As far as achievements for songs that have to be purchased... DLC does achievements for purchase all the time. In this case we know ahead of time.

[TwistedFate]

The Track Packs include song-specific achievements, true, but all those songs are on-disc, and Track Packs don't read DLC. Green Day and The Beatles, however, do read downloaded songs (from their respective bands), and neither of them had a single achievement for a song that had to purchased.

Compare it to any other game. GoW2 has map specific DLC achievements. Fable 3 has DLC specific achievements. Almost every game that has DLC with achievements requires you to do it on specific maps/missions/etc... RB doesn't include achievements with DLC, but if they did it would still require buying specific songs so this is just the same thing as every other game.

[Spade422]

Two thoughts from a n00b:

1. I don't see how achievements for pro guitar are any different than achievements for drums were 3 years ago.

2. The track packs have song specific achievements. I don't see this being different.

1. Drums are cheap, the pro guitars are overpriced. Its also called Rock Band, therefore you should only need a drum kit, 2 guitars, and a mic in order to get the full 1000 (and XBL); no complicated pricy new instruments, nothing out of the ordinary; just the basics.

2. The point of track packs is to get a good range of DLC songs available for those who do not have XBL.

[Terarin]

1. Drums are cheap, the pro guitars are overpriced. Its also called Rock Band, therefore you should only need a drum kit, 2 guitars, and a mic in order to get the full 1000 (and XBL); no complicated pricy new instruments, nothing out of the ordinary; just the basics.

2. The point of track packs is to get a good range of DLC songs available for those who do not have XBL.

1. Can you accept that I just disagree with your opinion? :drunk

2. Sorry, I clarified my point a couple of posts ago.

[mikachu93]

RB doesn't include achievements with DLC, but if they did it would still require buying specific songs so this is just the same thing as every other game.
I just find it odd that a music game that prides itself in its variety would be so specific, and that the song would be so old. Warriors of Rock has DLC-related achievements, but they're extremely lenient about it; you can buy any song, and they'll count towards the achievement.

[TwistedFate]

I just find it odd that a music game that prides itself in its variety would be so specific, and that the song would be so old. Warriors of Rock has DLC-related achievements, but they're extremely lenient about it; you can buy any song, and they'll count towards the achievement.

I'm not real sure where people got the "variety" idea on achievements. They are about variety in the song selection, that doesn't translate to achievements. Most RB folks have enough DLC to easily hit those marks if they weren't specific. So HMX had the choice to allow any DLC and listen to people bitch about how weak the achievements were because everybody has that many. They could require an insane amount of any DLC and listen to people bitch about how they had to buy bunches of songs they don't want to get the achieves. Or they can require a few specific songs and listen to people wonder why some of the most popular and fun to play DLC was chosen.

Warriors of Rock isn't at 1250, either. They are still required to have all of them easily attainable. The fact that the song specific achieves in RB are in the 250 above 1000, they can be more restrictive.

[mikachu93]

Warriors of Rock isn't at 1250, either. They are still required to have all of them easily attainable. The fact that the song specific achieves in RB are in the 250 above 1000, they can be more restrictive.
I guess so. Makes sense.

EDIT: Referring to musical variety in my other post, not achievement variety.

[Spade422]

1. Can you accept that I just disagree with your opinion? :drunk

2. Sorry, I clarified my point a couple of posts ago.

1. I can completely understand how you disagree with it.

2. yeah i misread what you wrote :P

[Neverender]

So what if they haven't done it before. They also never had keys before...now they do.
I wasn't complaining about DLC achievements. I think it's a good idea for a game as diverse as RB. The reason I brought it up was to question the validity of the achievement list, because to me it seems odd to already have the DLC achievements planned at launch.

Well... $60 (game) + $150 minimum (Pro guitar) + $90 (Rock Band drums and cymbals) + $80 (keyboard) + $30 (three mics) + $28* (DLC, assuming all songs are $2) = $438. That's assuming you can find three microphones for $10 each, and you can still grab the original Rock Band drum set for $10 at Walmart. You could find the instruments cheaper if you bought them used, I suppose.
I was calculating for myself. I'd just need cymbals ($40), a pro guitar ($150), a keyboard ($80), and two microphones ($20). I did forget to include the cost of the game, though, so it'd be $350. If it was just the keyboard, cymbals, and mics, I'd have no problem buying them. But when I already have better real guitars, I just can't justify buying a $150+ one for a game.

[TwistedFate]

I wasn't complaining about DLC achievements. I think it's a good idea for a game as diverse as RB. The reason I brought it up was to question the validity of the achievement list, because to me it seems odd to already have the DLC achievements planned at launch.

Normally this would be true, but normally a game doesn't have massive amounts of DLC at launch. We can't really hold RB to the same expectations as other games since it is fairly unique in the gaming world.

Also something to think about. Those are very popular DLC offerings that are being called out in the DLC achieves. My guess is those are the first Legacy songs to be upgraded to RB3 format.

[Shelton]

But when I already have better real guitars, I just can't justify buying a $150+ one for a game.

Agreed. The completionist inside me makes me consider it, but really, I already have proper guitars and know how to play. Therefore, it seems kind of pointless to buy a 'pretend' guitar to teach me what I already know. Guess I'll hope that a friend buys the complete set of instruments so I can get those achievements.

As for the list, overall, I think it is ok.

[T-Hybrid]

1. Drums are cheap, the pro guitars are overpriced.
You've never actually looked at prices for actual electric guitars have you?

[T-Hybrid]

I already have proper guitars and know how to play.
Is it electric? I'm pretty sure HMX said they would be releasing converters that turn your guitars into controllers...

[x ID 3 A TH o 0]

hey now i like the achievements on both games lol

[TwistedFate]

Is it electric? I'm pretty sure HMX said they would be releasing converters that turn your guitars into controllers...

Only if the guitars have MIDI out. There is no adapter coming for standard electric guitars.*

*Standard disclaimer when I talk about HMX. They are very likely to do whatever I just said they won't/can't do. I'm convinced they do this just to piss me off and make me look stupid. The very act of me saying it won't be done guaranteed they are going to do it. You're welcome.

[Neverender]

Normally this would be true, but normally a game doesn't have massive amounts of DLC at launch. We can't really hold RB to the same expectations as other games since it is fairly unique in the gaming world.

Also something to think about. Those are very popular DLC offerings that are being called out in the DLC achieves. My guess is those are the first Legacy songs to be upgraded to RB3 format.
Good points. I can't really argue with that.

Is it electric? I'm pretty sure HMX said they would be releasing converters that turn your guitars into controllers...
The Squier guitar is supposed to have some kind of special electronics in it that detect where your fingers are on the guitar. I don't see any possible way for them to convert a standard electric guitar into one that can play RB3. If they somehow find a way to do so, though, I'll definitely buy one. Or two if they make it work for a bass.

[RockBanditPhil]

I love the list. I think it is excellent, and for several reasons. 1) It has achievements for every instrument, requiring a little something from everywhere. 2) I didn't want it, but I knew they would put Pro achievements in. However, they are giving us 1250g and people with DLC can FINALLY cash in on their hard spent money and get achievements from it. So we can still get a 4 digit score on the game without the Pro instruments. 3) Of course, Endless Setlist III. 4) There aren't any ridiculously insane achievements, such as A Very Troubled Youngster from Green Day: Rock Band. However, there are achievements there for skilled players to earn, such as the 5 star all on Expert.

I am very pleased with this list in the end.

[Dustinator]

It's very entertaining to me when certain people automatically say it's fake/legit and that's that. I'd love to believe this list, but really.....when Harmonix makes it official, THEN it's official. It could be, it couldn't. Only side I'm taking is Harmonix's :)

I got a bunch of laughs from reading all the posts in the RB forums. Mainly from the naysayers saying it's fake. Either way, I sat back and got a good laugh while enjoying my popcorn

[Wedjwants]

I think they look superb personally. I got all but two on RB2 (Endless Setlist on expert and the frankly irresponsible Steel Bladder one), will be going for the full load this time.

[DeTHBoXx v1]

I just hate it when they decide to make achievements not ending in a '5' or a '0'.

[oO Triple G Oo]

I just hate it when they decide to make achievements not ending in a '5' or a '0'.Yeah, too bad those are the easiest achievements in the game.

[Spade422]

I just hate it when they decide to make achievements not ending in a '5' or a '0'.

yeah but one requires internet so some poor unlucky souls will end up with 4g :(

[TwistedFate]

yeah but one requires internet so some poor unlucky souls will end up with 4g :(

Those without internet are generally not as hung up about this stuff. They aren't completionists since they can never get online achievements, as a result most of them take a more relaxed view of achievement hunting "get what you can, and don't stress about the rest".

[preppypoof]

in response to the "specific dlc" achievements (i.e. Queen, Boston, NIN) - someone on another forum theorized that they made achievements for those specific DLC songs because their charts will be "upgraded" to have keys, harmonies, pro mode, etc.

sounds fairly probable to me.

[TwistedFate]

in response to the "specific dlc" achievements (i.e. Queen, Boston, NIN) - someone on another forum theorized that they made achievements for those specific DLC songs because their charts will be "upgraded" to have keys, harmonies, pro mode, etc.

sounds fairly probable to me.

Don't know about other forums, but I said that in this thread earlier today.

http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showpost.php?p=3402651&postcount=24

[Agent Aero]

I think they're pretty cool tbh, bit different from the old RB's but hey. I really like the Dave Grohl one, but that's because i <3 that guy :p

[mikachu93]

in response to the "specific dlc" achievements (i.e. Queen, Boston, NIN) - someone on another forum theorized that they made achievements for those specific DLC songs because their charts will be "upgraded" to have keys, harmonies, pro mode, etc.

sounds fairly probable to me.
Anything is possible. But why Nine Inch Nails? Why not Freezepop, or Bulletproof by La Roux, or Can't Be Tamed by Miley Cyrus?

I know Harmonix is considering retrofitting as many legacy songs as possible, but I wouldn't place all my bets on that theory, if only because of the odd inclusion of A Perfect Drug.

[Fire Mage]

I honestly still think the list is fake. I at least hope it is. I know this is X360A but still it's a horrible list.


And if they are honestly doing DLC and DLC Achievements, they would have to do achievements for just about every pack of songs out there, or else they will face the horrible backlash of people complaining that they are catering.

Which do you think will cause a bigger fuss?

1) Continue to NOT have DLC Achievements
2) Pick random, specific songs and packs to do DLC Achievements for


I personally think that #2 will cause a bigger problem, and I think Harmonix knows it. I doubt that this is real because of that.

[mikachu93]

I honestly still think the list is fake. I at least hope it is. I know this is X360A but still it's a horrible list.


And if they are honestly doing DLC and DLC Achievements, they would have to do achievements for just about every pack of songs out there, or else they will face the horrible backlash of people complaining that they are catering.
I guess they were catering when they decided to include achievements in The Force Unleashed Tatooine pack and not the Hoth pack.

Bad list =! fake list. x360a gets their achievement lists straight from Xbox.com, meaning someone would have to hack Microsoft's servers just to post a fake list.

[cadcd127]

i hope its good!

[Seppälä]

It's the standard musicgame list.
And it sucks as always.
We have done all this many times before.
And what the hell with the 4 point and 6 point achievement?
Surely they are not hard to get but annoying as hell.
MS should put that in the rules that achievement points must end on a 0 or a 5.

[HamKet]

The only thing I dislike about these achievements is that HMX has abandoned their standard circle-shaped achievement tiles.

I know Lego, Green Day and Beatles all had square icons, but I had hoped that the next main entry in the platform would continue the tradition from 1, 2 and the various track packs. Oh well.

[iSuperNova X2X]

Well since games aren't designed purely around gamerscore, I couldn't care less about the achievements. I'm buying Rock Band 3 for the game after all, not for achievements. But I actually think they aren't too bad, either way it doesn't bother me.

[The Nerevarine]

I don't like the list but for much different reasons then most. Normally I would think it was cool with the variety and difficulty, but I'm a drummer and all the drum achievements are easy again while the guitar stuff is way out there and that's annoying to no end. Why not 53k HOPOs *OR SNARES?* I play the plastic guitar once a year for an hour at max.

The drumming challenges in Guitar Hero 5 have been the best of any game so far. I like the "Blisters" achievement in Beatles (although I dislike the Beatles and didn't manage to get the achievement), and the Assassin achievement in GH:WT would have been great if the score to beat was 300k instead of 222k.

It's not fair, if you're a plastic guitarist you can ace all these games 100% doing the drums on medium, but if you're a expert drummer you're stuck with missing achievements. It should be equally difficult for everyone apart from the expert-everything-ers.


TL;DR: There isn't a single Pro Drummer achievement outside of the practice achievement, **** that.



Edit: Also, for anyone complaining about DLC achievements, please get lost. I'm the guy who quits out on you in Quickplay when we get to the track-list and all you have is RB2. I hate you cheap people who don't buy songs, and I hope your Xbox explodes.

[Des]

I agree. Harmonix hasn't ever made a DLC achievement, now they're shipping some with the disc?

And if this does turn out to be the real achievement list, I'm gonna be avoiding this game. The five star achievements were great. I was liking the list until the point where it tells you to buy a $130 fake guitar (or potentially $200+ low-quality real guitar), keyboard, and a cymbal kit for some achievements. $300 for 1000G? No thanks. I can see that they'd want to push the new peripherals, but IMO it's the wrong place to do it.
Whaa I have to buy drums now, whaaa I have to sing now, WHAAA I HAVE TO PLAY A SEMI FAKE REAL GUITAR NOW WHAAAA. -.-

[Spade422]

Those without internet are generally not as hung up about this stuff. They aren't completionists since they can never get online achievements, as a result most of them take a more relaxed view of achievement hunting "get what you can, and don't stress about the rest".

yeah, good point. especially since every previous rock band game required xbox live in order to get the 1000.

[Neverender]

Whaa I have to buy drums now, whaaa I have to sing now, WHAAA I HAVE TO PLAY A SEMI FAKE REAL GUITAR NOW WHAAAA. -.- Three things:

1. I wasn't complaining about playing things, I was complaining about having to buy them

2. Way to read one post and try to troll. If you would've read more, you would've learned I already have several real guitars, I already have drums, and I already have a microphone (where did you get that I was complaining about singing, by the way? I didn't say a damn thing about vocals). I just don't want to buy a semi-fake guitar for a game since I already have several higher quality real ones and can play them.

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[LegendaryDiablo]

I find them way too easy to achieve...most of them require beating downloaded songs...not very challenging

[loganm223]

i think their fine but gh3 had like the hardest achievements

[Fire Mage]

I guess they were catering when they decided to include achievements in The Force Unleashed Tatooine pack and not the Hoth pack.

Bad list =! fake list. x360a gets their achievement lists straight from Xbox.com, meaning someone would have to hack Microsoft's servers just to post a fake list.

No that's a completely different thing. In games like that, there aren't nearly as many DLC releases as in something like this.

There's packs upon packs of songs released for GH and RB. And for them to suddenly pick and choose which songs get achievements is unfair.

It's not "catering" for developer to not include DLC achievements for a game that only has like 1 or 2 things of DLC. But for them to pick and choose 1 or 2 packs out like the immense number of songs, that is.


It's not even that I'm complaining about DLC or anything like that. I buy DLC for RB. Just it doesn't make sense for them to do that.

[Dustinator]

And if this does turn out to be the real achievement list, I'm gonna be avoiding this game.

So you're avoiding playing this game because of the achievement list? Seriously. You said, "I'll be avoiding this game because of the achievement list." That's like saying I'll be avoiding this game because it's too hard or it's on Nintendo's sytem so I'm avoiding it." If it's because of achievements then that's just a lame excuse since you state in your sig that you don't have xbox live. If you have no XBL then you cannot get a TON of achievemnts......

As addictive and fun as achievements are, sometimes I wish they'd never been invented due to the fact that they take away from gaming for fun. Sometimes I can play RB for hours without needing to get achievements. And still people are bitching that they'll stay away from a game because of the achievement list?!?!?! :rolleyes:

It's not even that I'm complaining about DLC or anything like that. I buy DLC for RB. Just it doesn't make sense for them to do that.

I think hmx finally listened to the people clamoring for extra achievements/trophies and to make THEM happy, gave them some extra points. Yet, now others are complaining because you have to buy certain packs in order to get those points.........What did you expect? When more chievos are patched in, that means you need to buy specific DLC to get those points. And considering that RB has a crapload of DLC, you can't make everyone happy. If they woulda made one of the achievements worth 15 points for playing an All That Remains song, you'd STILL be hearing people bitch and complain about the achievement.

As Twisted mentioned days ago, these achievements are "possibly" legacy songs that are patched for keys/harmonies. Hence why they're achievment songs. Man, so much complainin....

[Neverender]

So you're avoiding playing this game because of the achievement list? Seriously. You said, "I'll be avoiding this game because of the achievement list." That's like saying I'll be avoiding this game because it's too hard or it's on Nintendo's sytem so I'm avoiding it." If it's because of achievements then that's just a lame excuse since you state in your sig that you don't have xbox live. If you have no XBL then you cannot get a TON of achievemnts......

As addictive and fun as achievements are, sometimes I wish they'd never been invented due to the fact that they take away from gaming for fun. Sometimes I can play RB for hours without needing to get achievements. And still people are bitching that they'll stay away from a game because of the achievement list?!?!?! :rolleyes:
That was just poor wording (and a lack of thinking the post through) on my part. I didn't mean I was never going to play the game, I meant I was going to wait a long time before I do. Usually I get GH/RB games when the price drops to $35-40, but I'll be waiting longer for this one to compensate for the cost of the extra peripherals I'll inevitably have to buy for the score whore in me. I still don't think I'll ever buy a pro guitar, though.

[Dustinator]

That was just poor wording (and a lack of thinking the post through) on my part. I didn't mean I was never going to play the game, I meant I was going to wait a long time before I do. Usually I get GH/RB games when the price drops to $35-40, but I'll be waiting longer for this one to compensate for the cost of the extra peripherals I'll inevitably have to buy for the score whore in me. I still don't think I'll ever buy a pro guitar, though.

Ah, okay. I'll be getting the keys and game bundle on Day 1, but I am NOT getting that guitar for quite a while. It's gotta be less than $100 for me to get it. And i'm sure there will be deals in the next year, so I actually might get it someday.....I really do want to get the guitar since I cannot play a guitar(I picked one up once 10+ years and strummed. That's it), so this would be a way for me to learn. In fact, I fit the profile for the type that hmx made this for :p

[Des]

Three things:

1. I wasn't complaining about playing things, I was complaining about having to buy them

2. Way to read one post and try to troll. If you would've read more, you would've learned I already have several real guitars, I already have drums, and I already have a microphone (where did you get that I was complaining about singing, by the way? I didn't say a damn thing about vocals). I just don't want to buy a semi-fake guitar for a game since I already have several higher quality real ones and can play them.

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Your ignorance proves your failure, not mine. Your crying about buying instruments. Therefor you must of cried about the microphone and the drums. If you did not cry about them, then your argument to cry now is less important. While still semi important, it's still only about as important as a pile of shit on the ground.

[Neverender]

Your ignorance proves your failure, not mine. Your crying about buying instruments. Therefor you must of cried about the microphone and the drums. If you did not cry about them, then your argument to cry now is less important. While still semi important, it's still only about as important as a pile of shit on the ground.
Don't assume. It makes an ass out of you, not me. ;)

I got the RB1 kit (game, guitar, drums, mic) for $80 with my 360 when I originally got it because I liked the concept and it was cheap. I like the concept of the new stuff, but it's not cheap. Which is why I'll be waiting to buy it. I don't see how that makes me ignorant in any way, shape, or form.

Now, back on topic. Like I said earlier, I don't like the pro-mode achievements. But aside from that, the list actually looks solid. And seeing as it's been a few days and HMX hasn't said anything, I'm guessing it's the real deal.

[mikachu93]

Now, back on topic. Like I said earlier, I don't like the pro-mode achievements. But aside from that, the list actually looks solid. And seeing as it's been a few days and HMX hasn't said anything, I'm guessing it's the real deal.
Everybody knows about it, so you'd think they'd at least comment on it on the Rock Band forums. A 500-comment discussion about the legitimacy of the achievement list, and not one word from a developer.

[Kellwolf9E]

I don't like the list but for much different reasons then most. Normally I would think it was cool with the variety and difficulty, but I'm a drummer and all the drum achievements are easy again while the guitar stuff is way out there and that's annoying to no end. Why not 53k HOPOs *OR SNARES?* I play the plastic guitar once a year for an hour at max.

Achievements are designed to tease people out of their comfort zone. I don't play Bioshock 2 on-line, but the achievements are designed as a carrot to get me to try something new, especially if it's a new feature for the game. Personally, I can't complete the drum fill/rhythm trainer achievements on RB2, but I'm not about to throw the game out the window because of it.

I like the list for this one, but then again, I'm also planning on buying a pro guitar. Once again, it's a carrot to get people to try something new. It's not unheard of to have achievements to buy other controllers, and Harmonix would certainly not be the first. DJ Hero has an achievement that you need two turntables in the same room to get. When the game was released.....they didn't even SELL turntables by themselves. 'Course Activision has a long history of using achievements to get you to use THEIR controllers, so that wasn't a big surprise. Granted, I don't like seeing that policy copied by other publishers.

I love how people complain when there's no gamerscore for DLC....then when it comes out with a launch title, others complain they'll have to get DLC now to be complete. I'm an achievement whore, too, but I base my game buying decisions on if I'm going to like the game, not if it's gonna get me 1000 more gamerscore points.