How To tell If someone gamesaved??

[KAPPZ IS BACK]

Can't you tell if someone gamesaved by comparing games with them and seeing that their last achievement they got should of been their first. For example I know a guy who gamesaves and his last achievement that he got was complete a level. I forgot what game. Might of been hitman.

[The Pants Party]

Some games are weird and add your achievements backward, meaning your newest one is at the bottom of your xbox live profile, so that's not a guarantee. I don't know how to spot it otherwise though.

[Shaaady Souljah]

overall, yes. what you said is correct. if someone beat lvl 4, then 2, then 5, then 1. then they most likely gamesaved and cheated...

i think they need to be achieved offline to work. so it will not have a specific date listed for the achievements they cheated to get... but i could be wrong.

[pjohn]

its different if you play co op some games tho. like gears of war for example, i was playing co op with a buddy of mine & he advanced a little without me & because i didnt finish a certain section in act 3, i never got the achievment for it. so for a while i had the points for act 1, 2 & 4.

[Zef]

They get tattoos of lips on their neck and look like failed 'rap-metal' frontmen.

Getting all of the achievements on the same day is a good sign, out of order, offline and that sort of thing. It is usually suspicious if someone manages to finish loads of games in a day or they get glitched achievements.

[KsE InFlames]

If people want to gamesave and be a hardass and show off their big bad gamerscore. I'm pretty sure not alot of people care about what other people have, but what they have acheived themself.

[Predator x360a]

overall, yes. what you said is correct. if someone beat lvl 4, then 2, then 5, then 1. then they most likely gamesaved and cheated...

i think they need to be achieved offline to work. so it will not have a specific date listed for the achievements they cheated to get... but i could be wrong.

Well right now my gears achievements are switched. Ones I got back on Christmas are showing up as my recent. But if someone has one like complete the game and has no completed act 1 achievements then yes they cheated. Just dont go around acusing if there swaped like mine.

[Denny Crane]

im sorry but what exactly is gamesaving?

[avengerRPM]

im sorry but what exactly is gamesaving?

its a way of loading up a save from someone elses box, i think it requires a USB cable and computer.

i am pretty sure i have seen people's profiles who had achivements from like mid 2005, not at all sure how this could have been done. since the xbox360 didnt exist then, it must be cheating of somekind, right.

[Denny Crane]

oh ok i see, that sure is cheating, thx

[Fartmaster UEO]

gamesavers SUCK>> I know a guy that got 960 in fifa 07 in 2 days .. If you played 2 days strait you still wouldnt have more than half of the achievements

[Minty]

If people want to gamesave and be a hardass and show off their big bad gamerscore. I'm pretty sure not alot of people care about what other people have, but what they have acheived themself.

As some people do care, we run this site for honest gamers only. We pride ourselves on not welcoming cheats into the community.

[Rusty187]

gamesavers are scum. and btw Zef i love your sig man, the dude the arrow is pointing to is the biggest cheating fucking douchebag on xbox live, a.k.a. StripClubDj. eat shit and die StripClubDj

[deathbypig37x]

They get tattoos of lips on their neck and look like failed 'rap-metal' frontmen.

Getting all of the achievements on the same day is a good sign, out of order, offline and that sort of thing. It is usually suspicious if someone manages to finish loads of games in a day or they get glitched achievements.

I agree. All of the above are symptoms of a gamesaver.
For example, if someone got say 32 out of 39 achievements in one day, which should take a week, or something like that.

[xDumpWeLLxTBMx]

Thought you could tell by the date they got the achievments. If they got like all of them in one day either they game saved. Or they have no life.

what about tmnt, nhl2k6,mlb2k6,nba2k6 etc., open season, cars, african safari, maybe graw2 and so on depending on that persons ability to sniff out the requirements for the achievement and passion to follow through. 5000 in a day is definitly possible so what of your theory now?

[deathbypig37x]

what about tmnt, nhl2k6,mlb2k6,nba2k6 etc., open season, cars, african safari, maybe graw2 and so on depending on that persons ability to sniff out the requirements for the achievement and passion to follow through. 5000 in a day is definitly possible so what of your theory now?

I think we're talking about games like PGR3, GRAW 1, and other, more difficult, or time-consuming games. I know I got all Madden '06 achievements in one day, as well King Kong. I'd like to even push THAT and say 10,000 is possible in one day. (If you play all day)
We are not stupid. If the Forums DID think every time some one beat Cars, or Open Season in a day, that they were cheaters, we would have a lot of unjustified banning.
Edit: That quote wasn't there before, Dumpwell, I swear! Whatever, my point still stands though.

[xDumpWeLLxTBMx]

@ deathbypig

:confused: i was refering to the guy that posted above me, claiming anybody that gets a full 1000 in any game in a day cheats or has no life.;)

[TheSneakyKnight]

its a way of loading up a save from someone elses box, i think it requires a USB cable and computer.

i am pretty sure i have seen people's profiles who had achivements from like mid 2005, not at all sure how this could have been done. since the xbox360 didnt exist then, it must be cheating of somekind, right.
i know that what happens with the mid 2005 date ive had it happen to me. I don't always have access to the internet so do alot of the time consuming single player achievement offline while i can't access live and if you turn the xbox off at the socket it seems to set the system clock to the default of some time in 2005. But it doesn't show that date under the achievement it just says unlocked.

[Nitro`]

well lol, some people said i gamesaved gears of war
thats not true because i beat act 4 before act 1 lol

[DarkFire6]

I hate game savers!!!

[Vampire x360a]

an easy way of finding out if they have game saved is sumtimes reli obvious like they may have the achievment for 1000 death match kills on perfect dark but not the 100 kill achievment if you get me

[Meldo da Clown]

First off I am new to the .org, and holy cow I have never heard of this until now, so people cheated on some of the old spice challenge and stuff like that, crazy, its like playing halo2 and standbying in a unranked game I just do not get it:confused:

[DanielFullard]

Offline isnt always the best way to tell. For instance, I get a good handful of achivements offline. I connect via an Ethernet cable into the back of my pc so more often than not when Im just doing a single player game I tend to play offline and most of my late night sessions are done offline.

[KAPPZ IS BACK]

First off I am new to the .org, and holy cow I have never heard of this until now, so people cheated on some of the old spice challenge and stuff like that, crazy, its like playing halo2 and standbying in a unranked game I just do not get it:confused:

Yea it's really cheap. I actually heard one guy went from 8000 to 100,000 in one day.

[machII]

Thought you could tell by the date they got the achievments. If they got like all of them in one day either they game saved. Or they have no life.

Yeah i've looked at the top 5 on MGC and checked there xbox.com profiles and they have nearly impossibly completed games done within day/s

They must be bad winners and sore losers to cheat their gamerscore in such a hollow way...

[Walcherina]

Yea it's really cheap. I actually heard one guy went from 8000 to 100,000 in one day.

There's no way someone could make that jump in one day, even with gamesaves

[Rammbone]

Some people play games for the sole purpose of achievements and nothing else. Oh well........( WHAT EVER MAKES YOUR BOAT FLOAT )

[macleem gs]

I think we're talking about games like PGR3, GRAW 1, and other, more difficult, or time-consuming games..


GRAW1 was pretty easy to beat in a day. i know i could have finished both the normal and hard missions in a day if i did not have to work and do other stuff. the difficult achievements are the ones you have to play online multiplayer with

[ThrillKillBill]

gamesaving is gay........ seriously, it blows monster cock. personally every single acheivement i get means something to me (even if its the only acheivement i get on a game, in that case it meant "i don't like this game") LoL. one of the reasons i really like this site is that they boot any caught gamersavers from the board. feels better to know your competing with honest players =-) =-) =-)


gamersavers please just spontaniously conbust

[Motenai]

I just don't see the point in this people increasing their gamerscore... what for? I mean, do they get money or something for having such high scores?

Do they REALLY care about having so many points, even if they know they didn't get it honest?

It's something I don't quite understand... and I'll never do, I presume. But hey, if anyone has the answer please let me know...

[ThaPrototype]

We may never understand... I couldn't imagine sucking at games so bad that i would need to use someone else's saves.

[shearer06]

Me neither, i love getting ACH`s for the purpose of getting value out of games - i think i`m lucky coz i love playin any game, i really enjoyed cars,open season,tmnt + meet the robinsons !!
I thought gamesaving would have been outlawed somehow by now, i know guys that will buy games just for GS :confused:

[II Supernoob II]

ok so everyone here is against gamesaving... which is good becoz im not a fan of it anyway but....

Is it still wrong to use game saves if you have glitched achievements?

[Minty]

ok so everyone here is against gamesaving... which is good becoz im not a fan of it anyway but....

Is it still wrong to use game saves if you have glitched achievements?

If its gltiched, its glitched for all honest gamers...

[II Supernoob II]

so thats a no then

[CC99999]

Spotting Gamesavers is pretty easy. They don't cover their tracks that well. Most people are gamesaving because they are addicted to achievements and they get stuck for a while and they want to keep climbing the ranks.

If you use my ten second, five point test you will spot nearly all gamesavers.

1. 1000 points in Ridge Racer 6 and Rumble Roses XX. These two games are truly difficult and probably fewer than 10 people in the world have beaten both games. Telltale sign- undated achievements, especially "Shop Complete" in RRXX.

2. "Acquired" multi-player achievements. This is prevelant in FarCry gamesaves. But can be found elsewhere.


3. 1000 points in several Japanese games. As a neophyte Import Gamer I've looked at countless gamercards and find that most people with import games on their cards, if playing them legit have very few achievements. I call this the Kaens rule. Kaens is a top tier gamer who has played most of the Japanese games and has only earned a modest number of import achievements. The reason for this is that Japanese games are hard to play if you don't read Japanese.

4. Having a score over 60,000 points. This seems to be the bar where most gamesavers live. It will steadily go up over time. If you use Kaens gamesaverless list- you will see that very few gamers on the MGC leaderboards with a score over 60,000 have done it legit. If you apply my first three rules and the gamers come clean, odds are they are on his list.

5. Country Swapping. You should have caught the gamesaver by now... but if you still aren't sure, MGC tracks the countries from where the XBL account was loggin in from. If you see the US, England, Japan, Italy... on somebody's card they are either Carmen Sandiego- or a cheater.


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hope that helps!

[The 360 Dragon]

u cant tell unless the achievements r out of order, or u see rumble roses all achieved on the same date, but usually u can tell just by talking to them, or at least i can

[D0cman88]

Spotting Gamesavers is pretty easy. They don't cover their tracks that well. Most people are gamesaving because they are addicted to achievements and they get stuck for a while and they want to keep climbing the ranks.

If you use my ten second, five point test you will spot nearly all gamesavers.

1. 1000 points in Ridge Racer 6 and Rumble Roses XX. These two games are truly difficult and probably fewer than 10 people in the world have beaten both games. Telltale sign- undated achievements, especially "Shop Complete" in RRXX.


4. Having a score over 60,000 points. This seems to be the bar where most gamesavers live. It will steadily go up over time. If you use Kaens gamesaverless list- you will see that very few gamers on the MGC leaderboards with a score over 60,000 have done it legit. If you apply my first three rules and the gamers come clean, odds are they are on his list.

5. Country Swapping. You should have caught the gamesaver by now... but if you still aren't sure, MGC tracks the countries from where the XBL account was loggin in from. If you see the US, England, Japan, Italy... on somebody's card they are either Carmen Sandiego- or a cheater.


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hope that helps!

I've noticed the country swapping thing on MGC. Why do they do that and how does it determine a gamesaver?

That thing about RRXX and RR6 is funny, I have a buddy who I talk too all the time and he has 1000 for both and he got them in like 4 days.

I just wish there was a definite way to determine the gamesavers because I would really like to know where I legitamitely rank.

And I though they had done basically done away with gamesaving unless you have multiple consoles. I've heard of guys having up to three consoles so they can gamesave. Are you freaking kidding me? That's at least $1000 on consoles alone. It's a joke.

(And don't hold it against me that I have over 60k gs...I've never done it!)

[CovertDog]

I've noticed the country swapping thing on MGC. Why do they do that and how does it determine a gamesaver?

That is called account recovery. They give someone thier e-mail and password, that person recovers their account and plays a game for them. When they are done the orginial person then recovers the gamertag back. It's not the same as gamesaving, but is just as bad and if someone is involved in account recovery, 99% of the time they gamesave to.

[D0cman88]

I just found that Kaen's leaderboard. I'm ranked 62 :eek: !

Here's the link if anyone wants to view it:
http://www.mygamercard.net/clboard.php?id=7mKG5pgK&p=1

[shadow sniper]

u cant tell unless the achievements r out of order, or u see rumble roses all achieved on the same date, but usually u can tell just by talking to them, or at least i can

thats not 100% ture i got madden lvl 10 but it didnt give it to me so im like watever so i played on a few days later i get madden gamer lvl 20 so im like cool and when i allmost have lvl 30 (im at like 28) the update came out then i got madden gamer lvl 10 so it shows lvl 20 befor lvl 10,but i get wat your saying if like 6 achievemets are not in order but when you see someone like that talk to the guy cuz the xbox360 is not made perfect.

[Razek_RL]

Hi, guy's. Sometimes i play offline, so, some achievements have no dates but that doesn´t mean i'm a cheater. My job makes me travel all around europe, so I don't have Live everywhere.

PS: Sorry for my english LOLOL

[shearer06]

Great link DOcman88, i'm 112 at the moment.
I agree with Razek - sometimes i have to play offline as i can't have my pc on at the same time as my 360 !!
i'll just make sure i boot up the games that are missing score !!

[JOCKTHEGLIDE]

those gamertags are insane i want to quit now I just started.......I mean I was looking at some folks on here and they have 60k to 80k I was like thats not bad I can do that in a year or year and half, but damn over 100k......:drunk

[fugitivetoby31]

That is called account recovery. They give someone thier e-mail and password, that person recovers their account and plays a game for them. When they are done the orginial person then recovers the gamertag back. It's not the same as gamesaving, but is just as bad and if someone is involved in account recovery, 99% of the time they gamesave to.

Not always the case!

I am English and my country should obviously show as being England/Great Britain.

My home nation is currently showing as German! Now I have'nt moved to or even been to Germany. I also have'nt game saved or recovered my account elsewhere.

This has happened as I am currently borrowing someone elses console. The console is actually an NTSC box but it is owned by someone in Germany. I am useing it with my HD in England and yet it still shows as German. Possibly as the serial number is registered there (I don't honestly know) as there is no memory attached (of the owners) so I cannot explain how it knows to show German nationality.

I had this last year as well when I used another NTSC console which belonged to a friend who moved here.

I've been gameing with some experienced members of this site on a daily basis, so I'm sure they can confirm this, if anyone does doubt that this can happen.

[Razek_RL]

The point of gamerscore ( for me ) is to show to your friends cool achievements that you've done and not to be the nº 1. I like to play in Single Player because I think there are some achievements that are harder to get. Online there's always some ways to "get" the points. I own a lot of games but only got a few points, I still play games because I enjoy playing them and not to get the 1000 points.

[KEnn3y]

Look at my account KEnn3y
My brother uses it and he gamesaves
But thank god i got a New account "IT5" But its not Gold but i got 300 in NBA HomeCourt but i need to buy my 360 a Wireless Adpaptor so i just use his

[Cordes]

Not always the case!

I am English and my country should obviously show as being England/Great Britain.

My home nation is currently showing as German! Now I have'nt moved to or even been to Germany. I also have'nt game saved or recovered my account elsewhere.

This has happened as I am currently borrowing someone elses console. The console is actually an NTSC box but it is owned by someone in Germany. I am useing it with my HD in England and yet it still shows as German. Possibly as the serial number is registered there (I don't honestly know) as there is no memory attached (of the owners) so I cannot explain how it knows to show German nationality.

I had this last year as well when I used another NTSC console which belonged to a friend who moved here.

I've been gameing with some experienced members of this site on a daily basis, so I'm sure they can confirm this, if anyone does doubt that this can happen.

I can confirm this. After you got the XBox I saw you in the german leaderboards. Weird, but it can happen.

[TG3 HAVOK]

the easiest way to tell is getting achievements you can only get online without a date showing on the unlocked achievement. this means it was got offline. plus common sense like play 100 hrs and they get it in a day. gamesavers are very stupid and most are easy to catch.
just wish all there consoles got bricked due to it. relly p**sess me off. i work hard for my score and some ass muncher just gamesaves right passed me.

To all you gamesavers passing through the site. how about you get that cable you use and shove it up your ass. gamesave that bitches

[AUS SPaRTaN 39]

Most games you can't gamesave the online achievements. Some that can be gamesaved to get the online achievements are Ridge Racer 6 Rockstar Table Tennis and 剣豪ZERO. Games such as Gears or War and Call of Duty 3 can be glitched and as a result get all the online achievements by making your xbox think your on the account that unlocked the online achievements the proper way.

With getting a * against your national flag on MGC.net it always isnt because the account has been recover on another console that has its settings under a a different country. You can simply change your country on the Systems Blade and then "Locale". So that isnt always the best way to tell If they have gamesaved.

And seeing that most of the gamesavers have over 80k now they just send there profile to the person that they are doing a trade with via email. So usually it isnt account recovery anyway. The reason for this is because you have to download your gamerscore from the Microsoft servers which takes a while if you have a high score. It takes roughly 4 hours to download a score like Kaens to your xbox. So sending it via email is a lot quicker.

A good way to spot a gamesaver as CC99999 said is by seeing if they have 1000 in Rumble Roses XX and Ridge Racer 6. Some people have done it legit but If its gamesaved its always out of order for Ridge Racer 6 so Ridge Racer is really easy to notice. There is no possibe way to make Ridge Raer look legit unless you actually do it legit.

Also having lots of points on Japanese games is very hard if you dont know the language just as CC99999 said. Only the people that actually live in Japan and people that know the language will be able to get a good amount in Japanese games. Rance6 is whoring out his Japanese saves which is why lots of gamesavers have around 1000 points in most of them. Also in most of the games you can't make it English which adds to the difficulty of the game.

[TheLazyWolf]

Even though the 3 games you mentioned have online achievements that could be gamesaved, they would in all cases still have dates. None of them unlock online achievements while offline.

Also, everyone says that the japanese games are hard if you cant read japanese and 90% of the time that is just not true. A very few can not be completed without Japanese but most of them can. The exceptions are Ziria, the Train HX game, Aquazone, Idolmaster, Absolute, and perhaps 1 or 2 more, but for the rest they aren't difficult because of the language, but rather because they are time consuming. A good percentage of the Japanese titles have 100 hours played achievements, so if they are all unlocked in a day, they are probably gamesaved.

[AUS SPaRTaN 39]

I never said they didn't have dates but yes most of the games that can be gamesaved to get online achievements you have to go and do one online mode match. Then it unlocks it all because it reads that you have already done them so they just pop up.

[TG3 HAVOK]

I never said they didn't have dates but yes most of the games that can be gamesaved to get online achievements you have to go and do one online mode match. Then it unlocks it all because it reads that you have already done them so they just pop up.

well you would know wouldnt you??? ;)

[CovertDog]

Dosen't it stuck anyone else odd that two gamesavers are actually on here argueing over gamesaving. I think that this is mentioned in Revelations.

[AUS SPaRTaN 39]

lol;). At least im telling you guys the truth and I'm not going around saying that the "New Method" is the hacked 360 system because thats just for roofus and AngerWound to get money for their site. The new method is the resigner and console id stripper etc and has nothing to do with the hacking of xboxs. I dont see why everyone think that its the hacked xboxs its a bit strange. And yes I would know because I gamesaved Ridge Racer 6 just like I told you!:p

I don't know where people are getting their info from but gamesaving will soon be back at its peak just like before the Fall update in 2006. Its not going away at all. Its more alive than ever. Stop listening to whoever you're listening to because the hacked xboxs are not the "New Method". They removed it because the site couldn't hold all the uploading. If anyone wants the post on the 360gs main page send me a pm and ill send you it.

No need to worry tho the hacked achievements will die down once they are gamesaving games for themselves anyways.;)

[TheLazyWolf]

Dose it stuck anyone else odd that two gamesavers are actually on here argueing over gamesaving. I think that this is mentioned in Revulations.

Learn to spell before you start making the witty comments. I was just trying to help you guys know how to spot them, since it is o so important to you. And yes, clearly you guys DO need help in spotting them, as your leaderboard is rifled with known cheaters, we just haven't pointed them out.

[Curtis]

Dude who are you?

The trolls on the xbox.com forums moan about people spelling one letter in a word wrong.

[CovertDog]

Learn to spell before you start making the witty comments.

Learn to game before you pretend to be a gamer.

[AUS SPaRTaN 39]

Why do you guys hate each other so much? It's not as if hes done anything to you...:confused:

[P1NSEEKER]

You see what happens when gamesavers come onto the boards? :(

[AUS SPaRTaN 39]

Hey im not gamesaving anymore I dont even have an xbox right now! Im just giving you info im not cheating anymore:)

[Curtis]

Learn to game before you pretend to be a gamer.

That has to be the official qoute to give to every gamesaver.

[TG3 HAVOK]

Why do you guys hate each other so much? It's not as if hes done anything to you...:confused:
gamesavers have done something to all of us. they ruined the whole reason behind having achievements in the first place. to get them yourself. you dont need to spot a gamesaver, you can smell them from a mile away. ;)
why is there so many gamesavers on the forums anyway?? that was the main reason i came here - to get away from those s**t eaters:mad:

[AUS SPaRTaN 39]

Thats a fair enough statement however some people go a bit to far about this whole gamesaving thing. Sure it might ruin things like the MGC.net leaderboards but you guys have got your own leaderboards so I dont really see why it matters so much really. I mean if you want to be legit play legit if you want to cheat go ahead and cheat. Its the people that cheat that lose in the end not the legit player. Who cares about the gamesavers theres always going to be cheaters no matter what Microsoft do. If there wasnt a leaderboard for achievement points then there most likely wouldn't be as much cheating but as it stands its there and I dont see it going anywhere. I think the best thing to do is forget about it and focus on getting your achievements the proper way. Getting them yourself and not abusing the system in anyway. In the end you win not the cheaters just dont worry about them and enjoy playing your games. Its about having fun not just how big your score is.;)

[TG3 HAVOK]

what worries me, is there seems to be a number of gamesavers in the forums, and you cant forget about it when its under your nose. but you do make a fair coment - looks like your in the middle at the minute lol

[AUS SPaRTaN 39]

I see where you guys are coming from but sometimes you just need to forget about cheaters and just let them do their thing. I mean it doesnt really effect you people are just taking the easy way out and your doing it the proper way. Nothing can really be done. Besides pushing it aside and forgetting about it.:)

[CovertDog]

Aus. Like I said in one of the threads you created, "We know there is gamesavers here and as long as the keep there heads down they won't lose them". That was kind of a hint. You and Lazy should probably try and avoid all conflicts/discussions on gamesaving. Its only going to lead to trouble. There is alot of people here that don't like it, including me. Just a friendly heads-up.

[CC99999]

The whole subject is the white elephant in the room. I understand that we have two high profile admitted gamesavers chit-chatting with us in the forums which stirs up the consternation of many people here.

Gamesaving is not going away- but we shouldn't dedicate all of this face time to the subject on the boards- it's not what we are about here.

In depth instructions of how to gamesave- the technical limitations of the saves and which games you can do it easily on should be left to discreet messaging- otherwise this place starts to look like the 360gs cheat site and nobody here wants that.

I'm not going to be a douchebag and start a big us vs. them flamewar- but for the sake of civility, let's just be discreet about it.

[AUS SPaRTaN 39]

Theres been lots of threads asking what is so I thought its better to be told what it is rather than get little bits that say different things. I was talking to kaens before and he didnt know what the new method was what so ever. If your going to tell someone something the least you can do is be honest.

[Joey Jeckel]

Alright, before a mod locks this...

Guys, this is a cheat-free site, and the law was laid down just the other day.
http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=29008

AUS Spartan, I invited you here, and you reset a 85K tag to join, but gamesave talk will get you banned. PM any new info to an admin or mod, nothing public.

[Kaens]

Theres been lots of threads asking what is so I thought its better to be told what it is rather than get little bits that say different things. I was talking to kaens before and he didnt know what the new method was what so ever. If your going to tell someone something the least you can do is be honest.
Yes, it's true I've never heard of this "resigner". It makes perfect sense though. And I did know that the changes in the Spring update wouldn't really stop anyone from doing peer to peer exchanges on saves. But, back on topic..

Guys, I don't like the new out in the open gamesavers either, but they are here (until they screw up and get themselves banned) and while it definitely irritates me reading this thread they were on topic and it's the regular members that are derailing the thread. So let's not have this thread deteriorate into another discussion on the 'merits' of gamesaving or we'll have to lock it down.

The topic is how to spot them in case anyone forgot ;)

Edit: Oh and sorry to those that might have been hoping for another curse laden rant, but I got a good amount of sleep last night!

[Mace1982]

gamesavers have done something to all of us. they ruined the whole reason behind having achievements in the first place. to get them yourself. you dont need to spot a gamesaver, you can smell them from a mile away. ;)
why is there so many gamesavers on the forums anyway?? that was the main reason i came here - to get away from those s**t eaters:mad:

Here here and thats all iam saying, i am sick of "that which shall not be named" being discussed so openly can the mods make a post explaing what and how it happens then lock it so its there for referance and then get rid of any more threads regarding this matter

[Lokstir]

didn't microsfot recently fix it so that you can't gamesave in any new games?

or was that just a nice dream i had?

[Minty]

I mean it doesnt really effect you people are just taking the easy way out and your doing it the proper way.

Microsoft invented the achievement for the benefit of the honest gamers so they could get recognition for time and effort put into a game.

It was designed for the masses and it was fucked up by the low lifes.

[Spades12321]

I saw somebodies Tony Hawk project 8 achievement list and he had unlocked the "sick chalk" achievement, this is where you have to complete every challenge on sick, if you have not heard of it, but he had not done some of the classic challenges on sick. I was wondering how he could of done this because, correct me if I am wrong, but wouldn't you haver to have all the sick classics complete first before you got the sick chalk achievement. Is this a case of cheating, gamesaving or am I mistaken. I think he is on your leaderboards, if you want the gamertag I could email you it just let me know by an e-mail.

[fugitivetoby31]

Microsoft invented the achievement for the benefit of the honest gamers so they could get recognition for time and effort put into a game.

It was designed for the masses and it was fucked up by the low lifes.

Some may say that boosting also detracts from this! As it takes less time than doing it without boosting and also requires less effort.
Not slateing boosting (I do it myself) but just thinking how some may see boosting. I mean in GRAW2 kill 10 peeps in a minute, I doubt the developers thought 10 people would stand still whilst someone shoots them all............

[Lokstir]

Some may say that boosting also detracts from this! As it takes less time than doing it without boosting and also requires less effort.
Not slateing boosting (I do it myself) but just thinking how some may see boosting. I mean in GRAW2 kill 10 peeps in a minute, I doubt the developers thought 10 people would stand still whilst someone shoots them all............

boosting is just bending the rules

gamesaving is breaking the rules

that's how i see it

[COH ZAMORACK ZX]

what is that game saved thing im ignorant lol

[TheLazyWolf]

boosting is just bending the rules

gamesaving is breaking the rules

that's how i see it
Well all those people who don't see it that way, and think boosting is cheating, think you are a cheating ass, just as you currently think of me.

I have 18,000 kills in GoW. Over 10,000 kills in BF2. Do i not have just as much right to be offended when someone boosts (and thus doesnt earn) the achievements in these 2 games, as you do to be offended because i didn't really play Meet the Robinsons?

You are lying to yourself if you think that people don't care either. For every person who really likes achievements, there are 10 people equally devoted to one specific game. People were making a fuss about people boosting the Q4 and GRAW ranked achievements long before gamesaves ever came about. X360(magazine) even did a whole set of letters of people who wrote to complain about ST TheKing trying to boost GRAW #1 rankings backin in the day, messing up the rankings for everyone else.

Its different, of course, for games that let you earn the achievements in unranked matches. Or games that are just bad and have no users actually playing them online. (Im speaking mostly of the Japanese games, even OUTFIT has people constantly trying to join your rooms, as english games go)

I am also guilty of doing boosting in ranked games, so im not trying to be 'holier than thou' with this, im just speaking the truth. I really didn't realize it myself till i boosted Pro Evo 6. I did it with the standby glitch with someone where both players get a win, so i am 100-0. That was months ago. I STILL get messages almost everyday from ranting Brits, and the never ending barrage of chat requests to yell at me for being a 'cheating twat' is one of the main reasons i really only play offline now, unless i am playing an MP game.

My point is, its all relative and up to the individual/community to decide what is ok and what is not ok. This particular community has decided that gamesaving is unacceptable, and boosting is tolerated, and thats fine. I understand. Thats why i would never think of trying to be a part of your leaderboards or contests. Thats also why, when i submitted over 20 new achievement images (all rare needed ones, all added) i made a point of adding that i didn't need credit on the front page, or a forum icon, for it, because i knew it would offend some of the community and i just wanted to help.(next time tho guys, maybe at least a PM with a 'Thanks';)).

See, I don't consider myself a part of your community; nor am i trying to be a part. I consider myself a guest, with a slightly differing view point than your own. I have only made posts that were either On Topic/Responsive or were to Help a member of your community. I have maintained a level of self-control and composure in my posts that is quite uncommon for me, given the thinly veiled, if at all, barbs some of you keep hurling my way.

I realized that the idea of simply being civil might be something that some of you needed easing into, so i made a post specifically for you to attack me in while simultaneously warning you of another detriment to the system.

As for these 'Learn how to game before you pretend to be a gamer' shots, here is an open challenge to everyone who wants to throw them. Look at my card and show how I don't have at least 30,000 MORE legit points than anyone attacking me(go ahead, try, it will be a fun exercise in futility) and that includes Kaens and CovertDog.

The achievement system was fucked months before i ever gamesaved. I got banned from Xbox.com forums for a month and my second gold account until 9999 for relentlessly trying to get Microsoft to at least take a stand and/or address the issue of gamesaving. When it became clear that they weren't going to, the rules of the game changed for me.

Have none of you ever had a baseball card collection, or a comic collection, or collected anything of any kind? Thats what achievements have become to me. I love collecting them. I don't ever try to claim that i earn ones i didn't. I agree, people who do are scum. Just as people who would lie about boosting a multiplayer achievement are scum.

Don't get me wrong, i would love for achievements to go back to being just that, achievements, but i dont foresee it happening any time soon. If it does, ill happily start a new card, but until then collecting them is a fun second for me.

Anyways, im done now with the subject, i can tell it will only lead to negatives. If anyone has any specific questions, they can PM me here, or on live. Ill be retreating now to the Japanese games forums which have been dead for weeks so if users want help with them they will have to be civil with me.:drunk

[CovertDog]

Your completely missing the point. I personnally don't care if you were to have 100 000 or 1000 more points then me. For me it's never been about beening #1. Back before gamesaving, when it was you and ST on top, I knew I would never catch you or him. I was sitting back in the high twenties content with it and no one noticed me. But I noticed you two and even though we didn't know each other, I had a one sided friendly chase with you two. I would check every week to see if I gained on either of you or fell further behind. To me it was a gadge and it was fun. Then the whole thing gamesaving start. In a month a fell into the hundreds. Left me thinking "I don't deserve this." and it may have left me a little bitter. I slowed down on my point whore. I thought what is the point. Then when I joined this site I got back into because I had something to gadge myself against. I was on top here along time, then first DJ Psyanyde and know Kaens has passed me. I think it's great because it's a fair even competion.

This is the way a see it, Barry Bonds is probably the best baseball player of our time, but is he going to be remembered as that? No. He will be remembered as a cheater. So if people have an attiude towards you, you have no one to blame but yourself.

[Kaens]

Off topic here, but the competition between me & Covert couldn't be better. We're friends, we don't try and race out to the store to pick up Fantastic Four or whatever the latest easy game is to score points and stay ahead/catch up. We're both playing the games we want to play, sometimes he's in front, sometimes me, and sometimes Psy. There's zero venom between us.

[Mace1982]

why the hell is this post not been closed it is going on about gamesaving again, this is crap as this is anon gamesave site and i have just had my thread entitled "stop gamesavers and gamesave discussions on this site" closed because gamesavving has been widely discuissed in the past and should not be on this site

Hello anyone see the irony in this

[TheLazyWolf]

Your completely missing the point. I personnally don't care if you were to have 100 000 or 1000 more points then me. For me it's never been about beening #1. Back before gamesaving, when it was you and ST on top, I knew I would never catch you or him. I was sitting back in the high twenties content with it and no one noticed me. But I noticed you two and even though we didn't know each other, I had a one sided friendly chase with you two. I would check every week to see if I gained on either of you or fell further behind. To me it was a gadge and it was fun. Then the whole thing gamesaving start. In a month a fell into the hundreds. Left me thinking "I don't deserve this." and it may have left me a little bitter. I slowed down on my point whore. I thought what is the point. Then when I joined this site I got back into because I had something to gadge myself against. I was on top here along time, then first DJ Psyanyde and know Kaens has passed me. I think it's great because it's a fair even competion.

This is the way a see it, Barry Bonds is probably the best baseball player of our time, but is he going to be remembered as that? No. He will be remembered as a cheater. So if people have an attiude towards you, you have no one to blame but yourself.

No, you are missing missing the point. I accept that people will have attitudes about me. What i will not accept is an openly hostile attitude towards me. There is no excuse for a lack of manners, The Godfather and Hannibal Lector taught me that.

See, this post, that i am quoting, expresses your points quite eloquently, while addressing me. It stays civil and respectful throughout. If you had simply modeled your first post around this one, we would have avoided a whole page of unnecesary antagonizing on both sides.

To respond to your points, the only reason I mentioned a number was because of the real gamer comment, and because Kaens tried to call me out on it in another thread that got locked. Either way, doesn't matter, it doesn't have much relevance to what we are discussing.

You gave your story, and i understand. I have understood all along. What you don't understand is that, first, i didn't gamesave until ST had already given up, and quit. Every single person in the top 25 had either quit or started gamesaving, except Stallion83, and myself. That competition that you like? I like it too. In fact, i am Completely and Totally addicted to it. There were no more legit people for me to compete with.

Lets pretend i had stayed legit, and sat a top this leaderboard by 20,000 points. Would that be fun for me? No!! It would be absolutely boring!! So I chose to compete with the rest of the cheats, and like i said, im fully willing to take responsibility for that.

After that, for me the competition became, could i complete a game before a gamesave came out for it? Thus proving i did it legit? Most of the time i succeed, sometimes i fail, for a few i don't even try.

To Reiterate: I am like a forum ghost. I don't get to post my card. I don't get icons. I don't credit for any submissions. The only thing i am asking is that people keep their daggers to either one thread or PMs, because i would just as soon disappear now as have to have a tiny battle everytime i try and post something that is on topic.

[L3giOn]

This has gone far enough. If you don't know what a gamesave is, read the sticky in the off topic section. If you want to discuss gamesaves, do it at a different site.