So xbox360achievements.com is Back?

[Hardware]

This should be interesting!

[KMB 316]

lets merge.

[g4m3r7ag]

what are you guys talking about did groux show back up i havent been there in a few days

[KMB 316]

read the main page gamertag.

[Hardware]

He just sent an email out to everyone. Honestly If my opinion counts. We don't need someone who will dissappear for weeks at a time. If he wants to be a part of this site because it was his original idea, that's great. But we need people we can trust to keep this going.

[g4m3r7ag]

checking my email now

[Minty]

we tried to contact him soooo many times, and its been more than 6 weeks. its been more like 8 now. and if hes declared war on the homepage, then guessing e wont want to merge

[g4m3r7ag]

yea im stayin over here, this site seems more homely what about you guys, especially the big name people (minty, scooby, nukeshell, to name a few)

yea he sounded pissed in that email/homepage thing, but what do you expect to happen when everyone thinks your dead

[Minty]

in every post iv said on the subject, that i wish Groux all the best etc because he got the ball rolling. personally i hope the sites can merge back into one, rather than having a competition.

But this is now the established site, Routines done a great job, Ice Man has done some cracking work and Groux has done whatever hes done

if hes happy to merge etc, then i think that would be cool. if he wants to accuse us of ripping him off, then well strive to make sure that our site continues to beat his

[Hardware]

He died, I moved on. That's the way I look at it. If he offers something different I will use both sites, but I won't jump back just because he ressurected himself.

[Cuckooo]

Most of the guys on the forum moved here anyway, I think I'll stick around here. ;)

[KillarPenguin]

I say merge if its possible becasue that will make everyone happy. Also we would move farther ahead of the one achievement site that is competing.

[Hardware]

I say merge if its possible becasue that will make everyone happy. Also we would move farther ahead of the one achievement site that is competing.


Is Merge even an option? Doesn't sound like it. If so I agree it's the best solution.

[KMB 316]

merge and make groux buy vbulletin since he mADE US ALL think he was dead

[RoutineX]

Yeah, we have tried to contact him several times about the forums merging into one, but he never responded to anything.

Thinking that everyone should just wait while he was away for over a month is a little ignorant IMHO.
What about all the new games that was releasing. Should we just wait until he got back so we could start discussing it?

We're not sure what he wants to do now, but it sound on the main page that the whole achievement thing was his idea and we stole stuff.

Like I wrote in the other forum. We had all the achievement lists and pictures up long before we set up the forums, and had a lot more achievement stuff than him when he started. We've made similar boards and such, but that was because people wanted it.

I wouldnt mind merging, but he sounded a little mad on the front page. I can't understand that though.
He couldnt honestly mean that everyone should just wait until he came back.

[KMB 316]

i love how he said we stole his content, when i worked my ass off trying to get all the doa4 achievements for him(then someone finally got them all, but most were ine)

and routine i have a pic for you you just vanished off msn.

[Minty]

here is a community, where people get recognnition. the other one was Groux getting all the credit.

[KillarPenguin]

He should have atleast contacted someone if he didn't want to get angry like this. Its his one bloody fault.

[KMB 316]

he coudlnt take 5 minutes out of the day jeez he had 6 weeks to do it to post just sorry guys ill be back in a few weeks.

[Minty]

lets try and keep it civil, so if a merge etc can be worked out, that its on good terms etc.

im sure Groux had hs reasons, no mate what we make think

[RoutineX]

Hehe, had to install a newer version of msn ;)
A little hard to merge the forum database now since we have several weeks of new posts and member database.
Thats also why we tried to contact him so much in the first place. To prevent this.

Hope he'll contact us if he wants to merge or anything.
I think it would be the best way in this situation.

[Minty]

or him just redirecting the traffic ;) :D :D

[killerjt]

He was gone for 53 days. His new site will launch in the next several weeks. Well, we will have are partnership coming this week. Why make a site that is not compleat and not update it. Then get made at all the people geting the achievments for him. He will have to come out with a new game achievements each day if he is ever going to cetch up. How can you run a website and not check your email? Most people have to check there email for work. Do we know anaything abought him? All I new, is that he had a good thought and did nothing with it. I would like to see him make an update on his site; like a new game page or achevemts. How long will this take him?

[scoobydiesel]

Alright i just got hoem and read the email, nothing against him or anyone that wants to follow him but i think its bullshit and i wont be a steady member there(sicne im already a member i cant say i wont be one) He left us so we moved on.

I dont plan to go back at all i liek everyone here and enjoy my stay, i dont think we should even try to merge he didnt seem to happy about us in the email.

but its all up to routine i guess ill Maybe follow my friends(minty,routine.gamertag to name a few) but i could jsut say screw it and go on with otu these sites.

I dont want a compatetion and then again i dont want no merger becuase who knows when he'll die again we cant trust him.

Now thats my thoughts sorry if im a dick but whatever.

[Hardware]

"who knows when he'll die again we cant trust him"

I agree 100%. Hey I might visit his site to see what's up, but this one didn't let me down and I have a feeling it never will. Once he gets bored again the same thing can happen all over again.

[scoobydiesel]

We are all(or most of us anyways) helping or tryign to help this site and are a part of it so i dont see it going down really.

I might go look to see what he has done thats So diffrent and new or whatever but nto sure yet.

[KMB 316]

i intend to go their once in a while cuz hey it influenced this site

[thieflordgamer]

i think that groux shouldnt b mad, but i also think he deserves a chance for an admin spot IF he can prove that he deserves it. so far, he hasnt shown good leadership qualities, but weve just gotta wait for a response rite now and hope for the best.

[SpideR NY]

I was a member on that site for like 2 weeks before he dissapeared. I like it here. Will stay on this site. If ya'll want to merge its on you.  ;D

[graf1k]

I was a member on that site for like 2 weeks before he dissapeared. I like it here. Will stay on this site. If ya'll want to merge its on you. ;D


co-sign.

[Retsep]

This site is doing a much better job than the .com ever was. My take on this is too bad so sad for the .com

Keep up the good work .org :)

[BongoAskikynes]

By the time I had found the other site, Groux had already disappeared so when this site poped up I came here right away. I just joined the Forums a week ago but the people here seem nice and willing to help.

It's seems to me that he's taking everyone leave a little to personal, I can understand if he had personal issues to deal with but all he had to do was say something to let people know I like this site and will continue to contribute to it.

[KMB 316]

his people that still post their said we stole "intelectual property" from groux, when are users here are the main ones who posted the shit.

[Nukeshell]

First of all he shouldn't get mad before he knows the reason why we moved to this site. After he know he should contact RoutineX and think about merging. This site together with .com will be much stronger then the other Achievements site. Like Groux already told in the mail he got some new stuff, if we just merge and get that stuff on the .org site together with the stuff RoutineX already done we'll surely be the strongest. I think Groux and RoutineX will be a good team again together.

[doadea]

WOW....this is ridiculous. I wondered if this was going to happen from the start…..this will be very interesting.

[Nukeshell]

If we won't merge there will be a big chance that people forget about .org because the most people visit a .com site faster then .org.

[doadea]

If we won't merge there will be a big chance that people forget about .org because the most people visit a .com site faster then .org.


Yeah thats what I am worried about....

[Nukeshell]

I don't see the problem for merging at all so why shouldn't we?! We just have to wait on Groux' answer...

[RoutineX]

Well, we've gotten a lot of publicity so I don't think people will forget us.
However a merge would be the best solution imho.
Like I wrote on the other forum. We didnt want to take over everything so we have no problem merging the site and make groux an admin here.

[Nukeshell]

I think we just have to wait for any response from Groux.

[BucklingLeader]

hes just trying to get people to start coming back to his site

[TheRedStar]

Hi everyone. Been watching the forums for a while but thought I should register to give my opinion on the case.

I also got the mail from the .com forum, but I'm still a little sceptical about going back.

It seems like he just composed a message in 5 minutes and sent twice to everyone so more people like you and me just have to wait some more until things happen (if they do). When you announce news like this, you surely can take at least 10-20 minutes to write a proper mail about it, and not just throw some lines in there and thats it.

He says the new site is up again in some weeks?? I also saw him on the forums like 20 minutes yesterday and than logged out.

[Hardware]

If we won't merge there will be a big chance that people forget about .org because the most people visit a .com site faster then .org.


I'm sorry, but I don't agree with this. I think this site represents itself as an Organization over a Commercial Business. My opinion is that .org is better.

I find it funny that we have to wait several weeks for an update on .com. I'll just come here for daily updates instead. Sure that person had a good idea to get it going, but honestly it would have happened anyway. I did a search for 360 achievements and found www.xbox360achievements.com, if I didn't find that site or any other one, I would have created my own site. I'll give him some credit, but not enough to make up for him dissapearing for so long. It's probably a small hobby of his. Something he won't take serious.

[Minty]

this site has better content and members than the .com without a doubt. there are a few dicks on there that are stuil using the old forum, and they hsould be left alone. i hink the fact that groux hasnt responded to anyone yet is a bad sign on his behalf

[SpideR NY]

.com already has a bad name for itself. I'd like to see that guy do something to his site (like add a game) before I believe he's back.

[Run BMP]

*POST EDITED*

Dont post links to similar sites like ours

[RoutineX]

@Run BMP
I checked the email adress on the .com forums to this one and it seems like you are the same guy.
Not sure what your problem is tho. Calling the old moderators over there dick**** and stuff. If you read my post
and actually thought about it you would have understand. If we didn't move, someone else would have just done the same thing.
The difference than is that they would probably just have done nothing, and we've said a lot of times that we welcome groux as an admin since he made the first site like that. No need to start flaming

[Hardware]

"I guess these guys dont realize that Groux has a full time job"

Then why did he decide to start up a site if he has no time for it? The bottom line is this, even if there was multiple deaths in his family and if that's the case I truely do feel for him, it doesn't give him the right to ignore everyone. I have been through rough situations in my life and I never ignored mutiple people for that long of a period. There is no excuse for it. He lost interest in his site, he then seen how popular .org now is and he wants to be a part of it again. I think it's lame.

[killerjt]

This is a Run BMP on the .org forums. I have no clue if it is the same person or not, but he has 20 posts on this site and less then 5 on the outher.

[RoutineX]

Yeah.
I checked Run BMP on the other forum and found out that it is the same person.
He used the same gmail adress on both sites that need verification. I've also traced the IP if he starts harassing more.

[Run BMP]

The bottom line is this, even if there was multiple deaths in his family and if that's the case I truely do feel for him, it doesn't give him the right to ignore everyone.  

Yeah - that's a sound statement. I'm sure you've been through some rough situations - but I'm thinking something along the lines of multiple family member being dismembered would make you ignore people a bit longer then 6 weeks. I could be wrong on this.

[Run BMP]

Okay - No "flaming" from Run ...

if you still want me off the Forum - I will respect you and not post anymore.

HOWEVER, in all honesty, I do feel that Groux was a bit ripped off. That's just me.

[Run BMP]

I want to be banned!

[RoutineX]

I can answer a similar question.

We unfortunately had a death close in family about half a week after it was people said he was going to take a break.
I can't answer for him but I found it relaxing to take my mind off it and do other things. This can of course change from person to person.
And after three weeks things are starting to settle down. You still get some mail forwarded from the diseased, the burial is complete, all bills are paid for the funeral and such. It just takes 5 minutes to say "Hey guys, I'm sorry but I can't be on for a while".

What I don't get is, why do you flame us and say nasty things about us on the other site, just throwing gazoline on the fire, but here you discuss this like an adult?

[KMB 316]

Okay - No "flaming" from Run ...

if you still want me off the Forum - I will respect you and not post anymore.

HOWEVER, in all honesty, I do feel that Groux was a bit ripped off. That's just me.


we were ripped off groux shouldnt leave for 65 days.

[Webb]

You know what I think is hilarious...

How he sends these e-mails and Groux won't respond to them comments on the forum at all to defend himself. He's gone AWOL again, lol ;D

And Run, how can you rip off a site that owns none of the material on there. I think you'll find that Microsoft own the rights to the material and also, I'm sure we're not the only other Achievement site on the internet.

[Run BMP]

I want to be banned!

« Last Edit: Today at 01:53:42 PM by KMB 316 »


Did KMB actually change what I said to something completely different? Wow. That's a first. My original post was "Who likes Snapple"Then, KMB changed it to "I want to be banned" ? Wow. RoutineX, this is the type of modoriatiors you want control of your forums? Wow.

How he sends these e-mails and Groux won't respond to them comments on the forum at all to defend himself. He's gone AWOL again, lol

The guy feels ripped off by RoutineX and that other guy! If I felt ripped off and, two e-mails were in my inbox from RoutineX and the other guy, I don't think I'd respond either.

And Run, how can you rip off a site that owns none of the material on there. I think you'll find that Microsoft own the rights to the material and also, I'm sure we're not the only other Achievement site on the internet.

Okay, I know I'm completely wasting my time on this post. *sigh* But, I'm going to explain it. Lets say - some guy, Billy, wrote a book on Poker Tells, right? And, another guy,Chucky, takes that book, changes the wording and order of things and prints it. Lets go even futher and say that Chucky's book outsells Billy.

is Chucky ripping off Billy? That's the answer to your question.

[KMB 316]

i changed your post because your posting useless spam and bashing this site, wtf did you hae to post who likes snapple

[killerjt]

We banned a guy for 3 days for posting stuped stuff like that.

[Webb]

So lets see whether I get you here...

Basically, you are making false accusations that someone is plagiarising???

[Run BMP]

We unfortunately had a death close in family about half a week after it was people said he was going to take a break.
I can't answer for him but I found it relaxing to take my mind off it and do other things. This can of course change from person to person.

And after three weeks things are starting to settle down. You still get some mail forwarded from the diseased, the burial is complete, all bills are paid for the funeral and such. It just takes 5 minutes to say "Hey guys, I'm sorry but I can't be on for a while".

He? I'm assuming this is a family member? Dude, that's totally different. You know the guy personally. You've seen him, right? Bottom line, when it comes down to it, you, Groux, hell - me, it's over the internet. You're not the first person he's going to think of after a death in the family. Family members, yes. That's who you're more inclinded to open up to.

[RoutineX]

* He just changed it cause you were just posting just to post, and yes I trust them.

* Well, just to answer and checkmate your question:
In this case "Billy" is taking content from Microsoft and other publishers, so Billy doesn't own it at all.

Which content did we use?
Like said many times before. This community has written guides, given us lots of achievement tips and pictures and everything that never was on the other site. Lets say groux decide to rebuild the site. It would be as silly as we say than "hey you added 20 new games that you didnt have and we had first. you are stealing". Which is not true. The achievement pictures and listings is public info.

[KMB 316]

if groux would never of vanished we would never of made this site.(atleast i dont think)

[killerjt]

He? I'm assuming this is a family member? Dude, that's totally different. You know the guy personally. You've seen him, right? Bottom line, when it comes down to it, you, Groux, hell - me, it's over the internet. You're not the first person he's going to think of after a death in the family. Family members, yes. That's who you're more inclinded to open up to.


All he says is "real life stuff out of my control". He never says that a family member pased away. He said that he was going to move to a .net site, but we have that site already. http://xbox360achievements.net/

[Run BMP]

* Well, just to answer and checkmate your question:
In this case "Billy" is taking content from Microsoft and other publishers, so Billy doesn't own it at all.

Grrrrrrrr... That was the point of the whole Poker Tells analogy. You can't copyright Poker.

He said that he was going to move to a .net site, but we have that site already.  http://xbox360achievements.net/

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo! he said he was moving to a .net site.

asp & .net are programming web languages. He means he's going to revamp his website and add an SQL database to it. Don't exactly know what for, but - he's adding SQL


ALSO!!

For the record - somebody died.

[killerjt]

Sorry if I sound impolite, but douse that take 2 months? I have had friends that have lost family members befor and they do not drop off the face of the earth for two months. It has now been a day and we have not heard a word from him.

[KMB 316]

Sorry if I sound impolite, but douse that take 2 months? I have had friends that have lost family members befor and they do not drop off the face of the earth for two months. It has now been a day and we have not heard a word from him.


think of it this way, maybe he is older and it was his son, or his grandson.

[Run BMP]

Sorry if I sound impolite, but douse that take 2 months?  I have had friends that have lost family members befor and they do not drop off the face of the earth for two months.  It has now been a day and we have not heard a word from him.  

Dude, you can't really look at it like that. You've had "friends" guys, you see every day. His website is web based. I'm sure he didn't shut out the complete world to help him in his time of grief. This website was his hobby. That's usually the first thing you do shut out.

[Run BMP]

AND, WHEN HE COMES BACK - AFTER HAVING TO BURY HIS CHILD, YOU GUYS RIP HIM OFF!!

Well, I'm out guys. Time to leave for home. We'll continue you this tomorrow if RouteX and the other guy don't decide to banned me. You guys seem like a nice buncha folks.

See you tomorrow!!!

[Minty]

he was contacted several times on the web, email and on Live and didnt respond. yet he was seen playing DOA online on like the 14th January. but it took another 6 weeks to send out an email, and he still isnt replying.

any content that was 'copied' was taken from MS. any threads that were copied were written by members of this site to start with.

and on a side note, if he did lose his kid then i wish him all the best in trying to get his life back on track. cos if i was him then some stupid website would be the last thing on my mind

[Hardware]

If run bmp knows this guy so much, could he have registered and posted what was going on? The point everyone is missing is that the site had to go on. We're we supposed to let it die? No disrespect to anyone, but something had to be done.

[KMB 316]

i feel so bad for bashing groux if his son really did die :'(

[SpideR NY]

REGARDLESS if what ever happened. Anything, worse thing in the world. Take 5 mins and say "guys I'll be back in a month.". Period. The end. We shouldnt have to wait there, WE the members MADE the site. now we moved on.

[KMB 316]

REGARDLESS if what ever happened. Anything, worse thing in the world. Take 5 mins and say "guys I'll be back in a month.". Period. The end. We shouldnt have to wait there, WE the members MADE the site. now we moved on.


if his son died, take a minute and think if you were in his shoes.


would that really be a thing on your mind "oh my son died lets update my site"

from waht it seams his son was probally eternally ill in the hospital for a while.

[Minty]

i find it strange that gorux never mentioned a kid before, it was conveniently dropped in when a 'mate' of his was losing an arguement.

also straneg that Groux's profile has vanished on his own site....

and for the record, a lot of people on here wished him well and would welcome him here

[SpideR NY]

REGARDLESS if what ever happened. Anything, worse thing in the world. Take 5 mins and say "guys I'll be back in a month.". Period. The end. We shouldnt have to wait there, WE the members MADE the site. now we moved on.


if his son died, take a minute and think if you were in his shoes.


would that really be a thing on your mind "oh my son died lets update my site"

from waht it seams his son was probally eternally ill in the hospital for a while.
ok I'm not talking about "updating" the site I'm talking about 5 mins to drop a line on the site or to gamertag. And honestly if his son did die, then fine leave the site, dont update, dont worry about what people online are doing. That is fine. BUT dont expect that people will be around when you get back.

[scoobydiesel]

i feel so bad for bashing groux if his son really did die :'(


I'm a heartless bastard he didn't tell us shit when we tryed over and over to contact him and NOW he still wont

plus we got some bitchass fucker coming around keeping this fucking forum around, why dint you just leave run? go to your forum and do whatever you want, talk trash..post..be normal gamers.

lets just forget about groux like he did us and let this whole thing drop because Ito utter fucking bullshit

[thieflordgamer]

those guys are assholes in my opinion, they dont even try to debate formally. not that thats a debate, just a dum argument for immature young adults. let them bitch all day, at the end of the day, we're better than them 10fold.

[g4m3r7ag]

well i can tell you groux did sign back on since yesterday, i know this because im now a member

[Henger]

*POST EDITED*

Dont post links to similar sites like ours

[KillarPenguin]

Wow Henger, you just made me realize how much of an idiot you are.

Firstly, this site was created because there was no sign of Groux and if he never came back, there would be no sites left.

Secondly, they made this site like the original .com one because people liked that idea and since Groux was once again no where to be seen, they made a site so that there would be one.

Thirdly, the forums are like the .com ones because people liked the setup and Groux was once again, no where around.

Fourthly, I want to agree with you on your "Fact 3" because this site would not be here if Groux didn't disappear without warning or notice.

[thieflordgamer]

well, actually henger, this site was already created a little after groux disappeared, but way before we made the switch. so we didnt just create it to take his idea and credit for it. i understand that we use almost the same format. this was to make the transition easy, and to make groux happy to have an updated site that was identical to his own at his disposal. so this site would have been made if it werent for groux, but it wouldnt have the same format, i agree with u there. we were just tryin to do the best we could with what we knew. if groux comes back, he should immediately be offered an admin possession after his explanation. however, i think that if my dad died, i could at least go online after two months. think about how long two months is. u wouldnt still b in full mourning mode. u would b said, but at least have enuff time to write a couple lines on ur site (he was on xbox live a couple times).

i agree with you somewhat, and i thank you for not being a complete asshole. so far, i have seen the .com community thats left over there as assholes, but you are truly mature and im sure would fit in here if u ever want to join. i understand u may not want to. hey, its ur choice.

also, u have 2 understand that u could barely get on the site at the time we made the switch. i tried several times, and i was lucky the idea popped into my head to try the .org one i had heard about earlier on the forums. now, it seems that groux has paid the bill for his site, but is still not updating it.

so, i wish u and groux the best, and remember- we're not enemies unless u start acting like RUN.

[g4m3r7ag]

fact 1

my opinion: we used the forum layout since everyone said thats what they liked, theres a thread somewhere on the .com forums where it was a discussed in a thread, that if someone makes a new site that is updated i hope they keep it the same layout.

fact 2

my opinion: same as above

fact 3

my opinion: yes and it was a great idea, but somebody else would have come up with the idea if he hadn't, so he, nor anyone else, has the right to say this is my idea you cant use it, because guess what its the internet.

fact 4

my opinion: stupid shit like what run posted, then yes i agree with you, not sure if your talking about his post or mine

yes but it would have taken 10 seconds to email me, saying that he was dealing with some family issues that he would be gone for a few weeks, that way i would have had something to tell everyone besides, i don't know, he has never responded to me.

i answered your thing about me stealing your research in DOA on the .com boards

now yes i respect Groux, i respected him when i first became a member there, and i still respect him. however something to tell everyone, or a warning about possible not being around for awhile, or some more power, so that i could keep the site semi updated. but you of course wont see my point because you cant comprehend crap can you?

and besides the point, i see you attacking our forums about stealing his idea, send me the link to you attacking another achievement site in their forums, then i will actually pay attention to

[thieflordgamer]

u must realize that we didnt have the term "stealing" in mind. we were trying to compete with our main competition, who we believe steal achievements from us, ****************dotcom. we were just trying to stay one step ahead of the game, and 2 if possible. as far as we knew at the time when "page cannot be displayed" only came up on his site, the site was gone for good. we also wanted a more complete achievement list, as his was missing several, and i mean several of them. we essentially wanted the same site but with a slightly better format, and updated much more often.

[Henger]

Killar: your form of critisism insults everyone on this forum...im surprised you made it past middle school with your lack of reading ability..Groux leaving is not the problem i was making...your reading comprehension astounds me...


Personally i have no problem with the creation of the site. People leave for better more creative sites all the time. Hell i do it myself. The problem i have is the way everyone is blaming Groux and not giving credit where credit is due for him.

So he didnt answer emails, so what...you created a site in spite of him and your blaming him for what? Not updating and saying "hey i have family issues bye"???...what kind of respect is that...

No one knows what really happened so you cannot judge him...

Now let me address gamer...

As for my DOA4 thing...you corrected and i was thankful you did...but when i see other people in the forums doing the same thing...kind of irks me you know..Everyone liked the layout thats fine...just give credit on homepage or something or brief background regarding this site and how it came from the .com....

Finally i'll address thief..

Least you have more respect than Killar there..thanks....I did not mention that you guys stole anything. As i stated the achievements, its pics are public and should be used by all by many sites...i do not blame you for moving over to the .org but no one should be bashing Groux....

[killerjt]

We are not bashing Groux. We just want to know why he exspects us to still be at his site, after it has not ben updated in 2 months? I do not go to sites that are never updated. That is just me. You may like sites like that, but I do not.

[thieflordgamer]

yes, i would definitely feel more sympathy towards groux if he hadnt acted totally po'd that ppl were "stealing his ideas" i would b frustrated, but he only has himself to blame, and he can easily join this site, which is essentially a better version of his, as an admin, no harm done. id have 2 say he was irresponsible tho. like i said, we did the best we could with what we had.

[g4m3r7ag]

yes im not bashing Groux, i would have just liked a reason why he was gone, 5 seconds out of his day to type hey im dealing with some family things that are out of my hands, let everyone know ill be back soon, would have been just fine, atleast that way i would have had something to say to everyone. i do respect him, i know things come up, but just a 5 second email was all i was asking for, he was on live for half an hour a few weeks ago, so he had to have known people were trying to contact him, seeing as how i sent him a message 3 seconds after he signed on, he never replied, a 15 second voice message would have been just as good. do you see what im gettin at

[scoobydiesel]

I dont care who im bashign take my words for whatever you want them to be.

But the .com was NOT the first 360 achievement site i went to so i cant thank him myself ro whatever your talkign about now.

Any of the topics on the forum where ones i basicly already seen other places..no one has anything new in this world, its always some type of rip of.

Who ever wants to stay on the .com can and who doesnt can be here or whatever let us drop this

[SpideR NY]

So Scoob.... Um .... How about that Madden game ?

[g4m3r7ag]

dont start that, on topic

[SpideR NY]

dont start that, on topic
was a joke ::)

[thieflordgamer]

dont joke with him about spam, ive had experiences ;D

[RestlessAvenger]

*POST EDITED*

Stop accusing us of stealing, visitors, ideas, other crap like that.

The reason is simple, Groux wasnt online for a long time so we moved on, simple as that.

[killerjt]

I know for a fact, that they would understand that people would not stay, if they lost all contact with the comunity. As long as games are coming out, we nead a site that is up to date. We all worked at contacting Groux, but he never responded. g4m3r7ag saw him on xbox live a sent a mesege and triyed to contact him, but he did not respode. Groux last updated the site on January, 02. If you want to suport the outher site, then that is up to you. I for one want a site that is updated and am hear to stay. Groux left us, so we left him. We would be happy to make him a mod, yet he has not responded to us yet.

[RoutineX]

@RestlessAvenger

I'm not sure if your familiar with the structure of the internet, but one of the things that also made people act fast was the nameservers of the .com domain was about to expire. A nameserver is in short a service that translates an ip adress to a domain. Lets take CNN.com for an example. The ip of that domain is 64.236.24.20. If you enter 64.236.24.20 in your web browser you'll see the CNN site. So the nameservers basically says "whenever someone asks for cnn.com, its on the server with ip address 64.236.24.20".

This was a thing that was happening on the .com forums. The nameservers were going to expire and if anyone wanted to visit the site they had to get the IP in advance and type that every time they wanted to visit the site in stead of the domain name. Actually the nameservers were expired (24th of Jan if I'm, not mistaken), but due to a 35 day grace period the site was still up.

Since he didn't show up, we thought it was best to make the move and be ready with the new site when he got back rather than the community had gone elsewhere where he couldn't get back his position.

If we had to step away for a while, we would have made temp admins to maintain everything while we were gone. If there were more admins on the other site we havent had to move. It's been a couple of weeks now and I already have some in mind which I trust 100% and I'm sure they can run the site just as good and perhaps better than me.

Regarding taking information, see the other posts I've wrote.

[RoutineX]

You want a debate...well now you got one...

im sitting here reading thorugh these posts and some of you just dont grasp the concept of why this site was created in the first place...

Let me break this all down for you....

I'm going point out somethings you may or may not agree with but these are the facts..

Fact 1: This .org site was based on a idea Groux made
Why is this fact: Read *URL REMOVED* Gamer clearly states and i qoute "we used his idea since thats what everybody liked"

Fact 2: Forum is the same idea from .com
Why is this a fact: Again check the link...gamer clearly states and i quote "The new forum is set up with the same forum type as this to make the transition go easier for all the users.
Since the forum is the same, so are the functionality. The menus are the same, all settings, smileys etc"

Fact 3: This site would not be here if it wasn't for Groux
Why this is a fact: You are all badmouthing him when you should be thanking him. it was him that setup the orginal site which you flocked to and loved. It was him that created the community that came to this .org site. If it wasn't for him..this site may not exist

Fact 4: That Run guy is a idiot... i agree with you all..
Why this is a fact: You dont dont post stupid shit like that..truly childish..

The above are all facts

Heres another fact. Things happen in life you cannot plan. If something happened with his family, honestly, i could have cared less if he contaced me or not or didn't return my emails. He has a right to. Anyone has a right to not say anything to anyone else. People do it all the time. Dont be pissed b/c he didnt update a site you love, be respectful for giving you the site in the first place and understanding that sometimes...things happen.

As for the stealing of content...Yes its all over sites, but just give credit where credit is due when posting in the forum. Especially when you guys transition from the .com to .org. The achievements are all over and no one has a right to say thats stealing in respect to that as its not.

Hi, I'll just answer by your "fact X:" if its ok.

Fact 1:
As far as I know, Groux was not the first one with an achievement site idea, but I understand what you mean. I guess the sounding of the "we used his idea" basically means that we use the idea of achievement site. I haven't copied anything over from that site to this one. I started making the achievement site a while ago and I told groux that I made some lists and I could give them to him if he wanted. While I waited for him to respond, I made some more and eventually we got almost all lists. I got all the pictures from xbox.com and from people submitting.

Fact 2:
Yeah we have a forum. There are several achievement sites that has forums as well, and I haven't copied anything over from the old forum to the new, except my own posts. Not sure what happened regarding your DOA post, but I hope you got proper credits for it, cause we're serious about that.

We've mailed several people asking for permission to use their walkthroughs and haven't done anything until we've gotten a proper response. We respect the copyright 100% so I'm sorry if someone took your post.

Whats sad is that you go on the .com forums after you've been credited as you should with an excuse from GT and still go on with the "well they stole and didnt do anything until i said it". If you did see this all along and we didn't notice you should have just let us know and we would have removed it if you wanted or give you proper credit right away. People can make mistakes. We did, and did something about it. No need to rub it in on the other forum.

Also you talked about our donations on the other forum. That we didnt say anything about it and we suddenly did when you let us know. On the donations post in the announcements forums we wrote everything about that the same minute as the donations button came up, so I don't see where you're going with that. Maybe you just missed the post.

Fact 3:
We're not badmouthing him. Like we've said from the first day. He is more than welcome to come back and merge and get his position as an admin. We wouldn't have created the site if it weren't for him thats true cause we didn't want to compete. We just wanted to keep the loved community in one place and maintain it until he returned. Like I said before. If this happened people would be everywhere. I don't see why so many get mad because of that. Also read the post above for one of the reasons why we tried to move so fast.

Fact 4:
No comment :P

[KMB 316]

i feel so bad for bashing groux if his son really did die :'(


I'm a heartless bastard he didn't tell us shit when we tryed over and over to contact him and NOW he still wont

plus we got some bitchass fucker coming around keeping this fucking forum around, why dint you just leave run? go to your forum and do whatever you want, talk trash..post..be normal gamers.

lets just forget about groux like he did us and let this whole thing drop because Ito utter fucking bullshit


wow...

[Minty]

dont think it needs locking dude, i think its a place where people can point out frustrations. and hopefully a balance can be struck between the two sites, as merging appears out of the question now.

but if you look at the list of the top 50 posters on .com, id say a good 95% of them have made the transfer. dont think there left with anyone over 20 posts. and the fact that the majority of the latest posts are still the WE HAVE MOVED!, then it shows how much traffic the site gets. and as for their current members who slate this site, a lot have only been registered a few weeks

[Webb]

I agree with Minty ;D

The main posters on that forum are over here :P So thats where i'll be staying, and I know pretty much everyone else will be, end of, case closed. ;D

[Run BMP]

Wow. I was gone for like ... 7 hours - when I came back, it turns out I'm a horse raping monster!

Bottom Line: "We're moving" on another person's board and giving your website is kinda dirty no matter how you spin it.

RestlessAvenger: Finally, somebody who "gets" it.

And, I'm done with all this negativity! Geez, guys. Life is beautiful. Live life to it's fullest.

Except when you have to bury your son and somebody rips out your heart by taking a hobby you created. I think Groux commited sucide last night.

But, it's okay! Life goes on!!!

g4m3r7ag: Oh, btw - "Funner" is not a word.

[killerjt]

Wow. I was gone for like ... 7 hours - when I came back, it turns out I'm a horse raping monster!

Bottom Line: "We're moving" on another person's board and giving your website is kinda dirty no matter how you spin it.

RestlessAvenger: Finally, somebody who "gets" it.

And, I'm done with all this negativity! Geez, guys. Life is beautiful. Live life to it's fullest.

Except when you have to bury your son and somebody rips out your heart by taking a hobby you created. I think Groux commited sucide last night.

But, it's okay! Life goes on!!!

g4m3r7ag: Oh, btw - "Funner" is not a word.


You use proper English in message boards and on the internet?

[Run BMP]

Hell yeah!

Can't you tell, I graduated from Harvard!

- Run

[killerjt]

Hell yeah!

Can't you tell, I graduated from Harvard!

- Run

If you are so much smater than us, then go invest your money in the .com site.

[Run BMP]

Who the hell said I was smarter then you guys? It wasn't me!

And, shit - after the state you guys left it in, that would be the worst investment in the world!

[doadea]

Can't we all just get along?

[Nukeshell]

Indeed. A wonder will happen if we merge!

[Run BMP]

I doubt it.

I really like that Run guy. He seems to be really funny. Everything he says, I seem to laugh at.

[Minty]

Except when you have to bury your son and somebody rips out your heart by taking a hobby you created.

yeah, out of those 2, having my website 'copied' would be the heartbraker.

the fact is- hes not around. he came back after 8 weeks, said im back, and has since not updated or posted or replied to messages.

[g4m3r7ag]

ok did you even read the were moving post RUN, it clearly stated that nobody had been in contact with Groux in numerous weeks, so since the site could not be updated, and with all the games getting ready to come out, we needed a site that could be updated. that is why we made the new site, we werent going to wait around and see if he came back, theres 10 games coming out this month, what if he didnt come back until may, the site would have been so dead its unimaginable. that is why we made the new site, and we posted over there to let everyone know that since he had disappeared, and nobody could contact him, that we were moving on because of the ever growing need to have a fully updated site, which this one is, we already have all the Oblivion and GRAW achievements listed.

[Nukeshell]

The list below shows the whole list of Games missing on .com. You understand why we moved?

[Nukeshell]

Games which .com is missing which .org does have:

Released list:
Dead or Alive 4
Fight Night: Round 3
Full Auto
Perfect Dark Zero
Quake 4
Tiger Woods

Upcoming list:
Burnout Revenge
College Hoops 2K6
Ghost Recon: Advanced Warfighter
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Arcade Games:
Backgammon 2
Bejeweled 2
Crystal Quest
Hearts
Joust
Marble Blast Ultra
Mutant Storm
Outpost Kaloki X
Robotron
Smash TV
Spades
Wik
Zuma

[Minty]

a forum cant be called a forum without a Tiger Woods board....

[Run BMP]

What are you guys talking about?

Check it: The other board does have PDZ, Tiger, & Quake.

[killerjt]

What are you guys talking about?

Check it: The other board does have PDZ, Tiger, & Quake.


But, the site does not have achievements for the games. There may be a forum, but you are the only one that uses it.

[killerjt]

He wants to sue us? ??? Well this site has the suport of Microsoft. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/community/developer/showcase.htm

[RoutineX]

What, he's like suing us for making a new site?
Thats a little harsh. Havent copied anything word for word except my own posts.

[BucklingLeader]

even if he does sue us, its just gonna backfire on him

[Run BMP]

I totally agree. Please tell Buckling to stop deleting my post. I just wanted to make you guys aware of what Groux posted in his Forum. The link is related and he is indeed talking about sueing your website.

http://forums.xbox360achievements.com/index.php?topic=770.0

Moron

[killerjt]

What, he's like suing us for making a new site?
Thats a little harsh. Havent copied anything word for word except my own posts.

You own your opinion. The achevements are owned by Microsoft and the game publishers. What did we copy that he owned?

[Run BMP]

Can he do that?

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

Yeah, that's lame...  what a jerk. I wouldn't want to be a part of a jerk's site anyway.

If he brought "this case" to a lawyer, the lawyer would probably laugh at him.

~ Lon

[Run BMP]

Not really. A lawyer would look over the fact and try it take it seriously. Cash is Cash no matter where it comes from. A lawyer will do reseach and try to see if can win.

Wow.

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

Wow, you're about a jerk as well. True, a lawyer loves cash, but he'd know deep in his mind that his client would lose. ;D

[RoutineX]

* He can try to claim that he own ANY Microsoft registered trademarks and content. Not going anywhere there
* And he can try to claim that he own the guides you people wrote.
* Achievement points/description/pictures, no
* Your posts, no
* The right to the domainname on all TLD (.com/.net/.org), no
* Some of his walkthroughs were just copied off gamefaqs, definitely no


I still wonder what we copied word for word. He never answered that

We offered him the admin here like we said for the first time.

By doing this he is just insulting you guys for posting back on this forums and claims that he owns your posts and you can only post at his forum.

[killerjt]

What did we copy that he owned? We should go affter IGN for taking achievement lists from us. JK ;D What is the diff? http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/691/691035p1.html

[Run BMP]

Well, you stole his concept. And, for the record - I think he was the first one who had an Xbox 360 website dedicated to what the achievements are and how to get them. I remember searching on Nov 22, looking at how to get 360 achievements - Groux was the only one. 

The good news is that you can't copyright a concept. Like Coke can't sue Pepsi for making a similar tasting carbonated drinks.

If you could copyright concepts, hell I'd be rich!

Flying Cars: Copyrighted!
Laser Guns: Copyrighted!
Sex Robots: Copyrighted!

HOWEVER

Maybe he does have some sort of something or knows something I don't. Who knows. If that's he case...wow.

[RoutineX]

He cant copyright things that belongs to Microsoft.

But weird he's talking about copying word for word. Just check this out:

http://forums.xbox360achievements.com/index.php?topic=4.0    vs
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/file/condemned.txt

Its the same one. He removed the credits from the authors work.

http://forums.xbox360achievements.com/index.php?topic=3.0     vs
http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/file/condemned_bird_metal.txt

Its also just copied and removed the author. Which says

----------------------
COPYRIGHT INFORMATION
----------------------

This may be not be reproduced under any circumstances except for
personal, private use. It may not be placed on any web site or otherwise
distributed publicly without advance written permission. Use of this
guide on any other web site or as a part of any public display is
strictly prohibited, and a violation of copyright.

COPYRIGHT 2005 DAEMON SANTONNE

That is what you call copy word for word.
We contacted that author to get permission to use the guide. and we did.
He also responded that we couldnt edit any info, and i'm positive he would have said the same thing to the other site.


EDIT:
links didnt work directly, try viewing from this page for the gamefaqs
http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/xbox360/game/926309.html

[killerjt]

His site was not p until 20 December. Run, I just cought you in a lie. You can look back at the first post on his site.

[Run BMP]

The first "posting" was probably up on December 20th. But, the actual site was up before then. You are right, I don't think it was the 22, it may have been that Friday. I remember looking at it after thanksgiving...I think.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-YA!!!!

[killerjt]

This was the first post on december 20. Allmost a month after November 22. http://forums.xbox360achievements.com/index.php?topic=1.0

[killerjt]

The site went up on the 15 of December. http://xbox360achievements.com/content/view/20/2/ Show me somthing on the site befor this date.

[Run BMP]

This the 2nd design he did, a blog style.

The 1st design he did was not as pretty and didn't really include a blog on the homepage. He re-did with a blog in front. It looks better now.

[killerjt]

This the 2nd design he did, a blog style.

The 1st design he did was not as pretty and didn't really include a blog on the homepage. He re-did with a blog in front. It looks better now.

I would hate to see the first site, as that one does not look great. I am off to play my 360. I will be back latter.

[Lonsta DaMonsta]

edit sorry we dont want that here.




re-edit:   I just posted the date that xbox360achievements.com was registered-- which wasn't even in November! (I just wanted to prove Run BMP wrong).

[Alive741]

Hi.  I am Alive741's girlfriend, but I had to post because I wanted to clarify a couple of things for people who don't know a lot about intellectual property. 

First off, I am a lawyer (yes, completing my last months in law school, I graduate with a Juris Doctorate in May, 2006).  Not all lawyers just want to make money, and although there are tons out there who would take a case to make a couple of dollars, no attorney in thier right mind is going to take a case that will lose.  Why?  Often we don't get paid unless the case wins.  That means a lot of time and expended effort for nothing.  Having said that...

I am a neutral party in this ordeal.  I just want to make sure that people understand.

No one on this website can be sued for any reason.  There are no copyrights on the other site which have been violated.  NONE.  I'm sorry for the fellow Groux who seems to be upset that .org "stole" (I use that word merely because it is what .com seems to be saying) the layout / content of his website, but there's nothing he can do about it.  As said before, content comes from the users themselves.  As for the "stealing the layout" and the forum design, there is absolutely nothing he can do about that. 

There are MILLIONS of webpages online that use one type of forum or another.  Just because the .org website is set up similarly to the .com website means nothing (I'm assuming this might even be a standard layout...?)  For instance, if I were going to open a website on dresses, I could use the same layout as the homepage of .com OR .org but put dress styles on the side instead of game names. 

You can't prevent a person from using something that is ordinary, such as the layout of a website.  This would be too restrictive, and thus the law prevents it from happening. 

To use another example, you can't copyright or trademark words like "blue" and "flag" and "doughnut" because they are too common, and if copyrighted or TM'd, people would have a hard time thinking of other ways to describe the doughnuts or blue colors.

The layout of a webpage works in a similar way.  There has to be something extremely new or novel - and simply the way a page is set up is not new or novel enough.  At WORST for you guys on the .org website (because I do feel bad that all of this is going on) you MIGHT have to change the homepage at the beginning so the EXACT layout isn't copied.  By this I mean you could put the list of game on the right side, the list of admins and contributors on the left, and VOILA you have a brand new website that isn't an exact replica of the .com site (not that I'm suggesting it is, but just for argument sake). 

If any admins to the site want to do this, then a lot of problems would go away.  I'm not a web designer or anything, so I'm not sure how hard any of this would be, but seriously, there are no other cognizant legal claims.  With permission, you can post anything from anywhere (as RoutineX stated correctly). 

At the very least, if Groux had intended to keep the .com website and DID NOT WANT anyone else to use the layout or the forums, he should have stated so, in a spot that everyone could read and easily access.  Nothing seems to be posted to this effect anywhere, as far as I could tell from my brief perusal of the .com website.  If he is going to claim that personal matters prevented him from doing such, that's not really relevant because (a) it should have been up there long before, like when he started the website, and (b) the courts will not view "personal matters" as an excuse when it comes to writing an email, which would only take a minute or two, to explain something or ANYTHING to any of the other admins.  "I will be gone for a couple of weeks but please do not move this website" or "I will be back when time allows" would both have been perfectly acceptable [they don't divulge his personal life, but it is notice that he will be back].  There is nothing that Groux did to defend his position then, so now he can't be angry about it now.

The very nature of the internet itself would suggest much of this.

It drives me crazy when people threaten others legally and they don't have any ground to stand on.  In some states, such a threat itself is cause for legal action, especially if it creates undue duress.  This isn't such a case, but if I were legal representation for Groux, I would tell him to be careful with what he says, because it could come back to haunt him later.  If you do not engage in rational discussion, and "disappear" for a month WHATEVER the reason, then you honestly have no right to complain when gamers who are seriously interested in building a community online transfer forum discussions to a new page, that can go through regular updates.  Threatening the .org website with legal action is BS (I'm assuming it is a scare tactic maybe?), but even if I'm wrong and an attorney somewhere told him that there could be legal repricussions for the .org website, I'm sure the lawyer hasn't gotten all of the facts from the case yet.

Any "legal representation" that will contact admins on this website will most likely say that you can no longer take content from the other site, which I'm sure will be fine.  If it were me, I wouldn't want anything to do with him anymore.  He seems unwilling to engage in any type of rational discussions.  If there was something that went on in his home life, even if he doesn't want to say because it's personal, then he should just apologize for the length of time he was gone and then get on with his life.  Getting angry at 360 users who attempted to make a new forum in the absence of another seems very pointless.  Again, this is just my opinion. 

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thanks alive's girl.

[Hardware]

Is there valid evidence that Groux buried his child? I have a feeling this is a made up story to make us forgive him as well as feel bad that "his site was stolen". If I see evidence that this is indeed true I will forgive him for dissapearing. Other than that I'm still going to be on this site regardless as everyone seems awesome.

[killerjt]

It is strang how litte we know abought him. Most of the people on this site, we know where they are from, how old they are, and what games they play. Does anayone know what country he is from and how old he is? I fallowed his sit and his forum for the short time it was up, and did not know anaything abought him. All the site I have ben a part of in the past, I have know somthing abought the people behimd it.

[RoutineX]

@Hardware:
If you read other posts from the same guy you'll realise that he is just throwing stuff up.
Just read what other he say what he did "last night".

I think that we shouldnt even talk about that if there is no proof.
It only gets worse if rumors start to spread with things that most likely is false.


And thanks Alive741's girlfriend. We owe you one for posting that post to clarify things. :D

[Minty]

yeah, thanks mrs alive. make sure he buys you dinner for that  ;)

right, all along i have said that i rspect Groux etc etc for setiing up the other site.

i wuld like to change my opinion. what an absolute tosser. he put a toy down for 2 months, someone else picked it up and played with it and now he wants the toy back.

all hes doing now is throwing his other toys out of the pram. its pathetic. and whoever said he buried his son- you are an absolute waste of space on this planet. i suggest you leave it.

please note these are my opinions, and not the sites. if you want to try and sue me for anything, feel free

[Minty]

if you are Grouxs mate, or indeed Groux, then why are you hanging around here??? surely we are the rival for the mighty .com site???

[dabears1218]

Wow. I am definetly going to stay here at .org. The fact that Groux is threating legal action is unbelievable. I can't even describe how little respect I have for him now. Also, thanks a ton to Alive741's girlfriend. That was a really helpful post.

[g4m3r7ag]

i talked to groux a fare amount, hes on the east coast, unless his absence was because of a move, and he never said anything about having a son,daughter, or even a wife/girlfriend, however i dont know any of this for sure, he just never mentioned anything about it.


and yes the site was up end of november but he redid it around the 20th thats when the forums were brought back online and everybody had to sign up again, i remember doing it

[scoobydiesel]

This the 2nd design he did, a blog style.

The 1st design he did was not as pretty and didn't really include a blog on the homepage. He re-did with a blog in front. It looks better now.


blog style? hmm my friend did an achievments/360 blog thign too but that was uuh in auguest....so did he steal stuff from Groux or whatever?

[roywilliams31]

I'm liking the .org site so far...great job guys.

I came here after I saw that the .com site was dead, and I agree with pretty much everything said so far....why go there when we got a good, consistent, and reliable thing going on here?

[Minty]

its good to see people still coming over from the old forum, makes it more worthwhile knowing the effort put in by people here is worthwhile ;D

[RestlessAvenger]

*POST EDITED*

Stop accusing us of stealing, visitors, ideas, other crap like that.

The reason is simple, Groux wasnt online for a long time so we moved on, simple as that.



If this is the sort of place over here where a person's post get deleted just become some 17 year old kid thinks your being mean about the site then I'm not sure it is the sort of place that I want to be at. I was digging the stuff you guys are doing over here, and in fact replaced the .com bookmark with .org. I was even reading these posts with a bit of a laugh at how defensive you guys are getting about this, but censorship is just plain silly and certainly does not make a good community.

[g4m3r7ag]

censorship is required in all communities, its a part of life

[RestlessAvenger]

censorship is required in all communities, its a part of life


What was it about my post that needed to be censored? There was not a thing wrong with it except that I had pointed out where I thought that Groux had been wronged in this. I still stand by that. Let me give you a bit of an analogy. Suppose you open a video game store, for personal reasons you can't make it into the office for a few days? Do your employees have the right to open up a new store down the street and then put a sign on your window that your store has moved? That's exactly what was done in the forums and it wasn't right.

[KillarPenguin]

You would of told your employees why your weren't going to be in the office. Most smart people actually tell people why there gone.

[killerjt]

for a few days? He was gone for two months. If you where the manger of a store, you would be in contact with your employees. This is not the same thing. We worked to contact Groux for weeks and we when got no response, we made a new site. If the manger of a store left for two months, then the store would go out of bissness. This is the internet, people do not have time to wate. If we did not do this then someone elce would and there has been another site like this. I am yet to see someone come on hear, that is not a New Member and protect Groux. You wate around on the internet and you become a thing of the past.

[Alive741]

They're probably all his friends, half of which probably weren't signed up for the other site...I'd let them bitch and ignore it all..

[thieflordgamer]

look, if something major in the news happens, it can be up in 30 seconds or less within when the event happnens. the news cant say "we're takin a 2 month break, but dont let anything happen while we're gone, cuz the news was our idea." thats a much better analogy than being sick for a couple days, cuz u would actually call in sick, not to mention u would have BACKUP employees to take care of it, something groux wasnt concerned with.

this is a lot to take in. we are in no danger, i no that, thx to my research and alive741's awesome gf. i dont think we should offer groux a position here. maybe we should make a poll with this question?

groux just leaves and cant take 2 minutes out of his day to contribute to his "intellectual property". he then plays his xbox, but all of his great "idea" is forgotten. then, he thinks, "alrite, now im gonna pretend i had personal stuff goin on, and i wont explain that personal stuff, and then im gonna be pissed off at ny1 in the entire world who has any website similar to my site. cuz thats "illegal" according to me, cuz its my "intellectual property" that im 2 lazy to update. so now, ill sue them and lose a lot of money, and the .org site will hate me, and my reign as a website master will officially end."

y doesnt he just freaking tell us what was goin on in his life, i doubt nything could take 2+ months. its just like what i said before, u cant just leave for 2 months and say "ok, everybody keep everything on hold, cuz im gonna sit back and relax for a little while, and i expect nobody to start a competitive site with me". we were'nt even a competitive site, we were essentially HIS site, until now. now, he shouldnt even be allowed to join the site at all, if we can help it.

and routine, ur an awesome debater.

[killerjt]

The only thing, that I can think of that would take two months, is if he got arrested.

[g4m3r7ag]

he didnt get arrested, but im gonna use the little bit of respect i have left for him, and not tell why he was gone, it was a personal matter of his, that he let me in on (just now, not 2 months ago) and im goin to not tell anyone. if he comes on here and posts it thats his business.

[scoobydiesel]

you really shouldnt have opend your mouth at all then

[thieflordgamer]

ok, GT thats a cool descision to keep ur word even tho u pratically despise him (as far as i know, or think). but using your better judgement, do you think it would have taken his whole two months? personally, i think we have the right if he expects us to go on his side of the argument to know what happened. but thats his choice. thats really his last card up his sleeve, is making us feel sry for him or let us know y he wasnt on. hes pissed evry off, hes gonna have 2 make up for that.

[g4m3r7ag]

it could have taken a full 2 months, but there would have been enough room to say, hey everybody i have some personal matters to attend to, ill be back in a month or two

[dabears1218]

censorship is required in all communities, its a part of life


What was it about my post that needed to be censored?  There was not a thing wrong with it except that I had pointed out where I thought that Groux had been wronged in this.   I still stand by that.  Let me give you a bit of an analogy.  Suppose you open a video game store, for personal reasons you can't make it into the office for a few days?  Do your employees have the right to open up a new store down the street and then put a sign on your window that your store has moved?  That's exactly what was done in the forums and it wasn't right.

Hey buddy, it was a bit more than a few days. And clearly, you haven't read the nice post Alive's girlfriend made. Even if Groux had never left, there is still nothing wrong with what happened.

[Run BMP]

and routine, ur an awesome debater.

Oh, yeah - Route is a master debater!!

[SpideR NY]

*POST EDITED*

Dont post stuff like that

[Hardware]

I'm pissed off because I started this thread and you guys stole it from me. I'm suing! lol. Actually I'm done with this subject. I would rather play games and have a good time and let Groux worry about it. Let's stick together and everything will be go great like it already is. ;)

[scoobydiesel]

*POST EDITED*

Dont post stuff like that


i didnt see what you posted spider but Pwned non the less

[SpideR NY]

*POST EDITED*

Dont post stuff like that


i didnt see what you posted spider but Pwned non the less
YOOOOOOO BUCK. WTF this dude comes to our house and is talking about his huge johnson... and I cant post back ? and yes, the other guy Run was pwned.

[thieflordgamer]

plz dont spam this topic cuz som1s gonna lock it, and i dont want them 2 cuz this is an interesting discussion. well, more funny than interesting. im interested in speaking to groux on our own home turf.

[SpideR NY]

yo it wasnt spam, it was funny and a direct response to what he said. To get a post pulled off of this site is kinda shitty.  I dont know kinda gets under my skin. whatever, I'll go talk in another topic. And I'm taking my ball home with me too.

[thieflordgamer]

i no, i wasnt talkin directly 2 u. just saying in general, this is interesting and if evry1 talks crap im gonna b mad at them lol.

[scoobydiesel]

I wish this would ahve been locked about 5 pages...ago

[thieflordgamer]

lol, well i posted one last post in the topic on the .com forums. if groux still thinks we ripped off his site, i can honestly say he is the biggest jackhole i have ever known, and i hope he reads this. if he changes his mind and comes crawling back 2 us, whether we have mercy or not is our (routinesx's) decision.

[RoutineX]

I hope its ok that I lock the post now.

I'm sorry if everyone didn't get the chance to give their opinion on this matter, but the "main" debaters who were against us didn't reply to any of our good responses so the debate continued so it became a mess and before we knew it, maybe the community would start arguing with themselves. There are also some from the .com (friends of him maybe?) who will never give up and just post meaningless topics about it and just bumping it to the top all the time just to give publicity to it and just continue arguing.

We've contacted groux several times and now after he came back he obviously didn't want a part as an admin in this great
community we built for him and instead started serious accusations and claimed some legal stuff against us. We've gone over the legal parts several times and we have nothing to hide and nothing to be afraid of because we haven't stole anything. And the things we have similar, so does all the other achievement sites, and thats Microsoft's property, the achievement lists/pictures. Would also like to thank Alive741's girlfriend in this reply (http://xbox360achievements.org/forums/index.php/topic,959.msg13959.html#msg13959) for clearing it up to everyone why we aren't liable if there were any legal actions.

I've tried to explain myself numerous times on the .com forums about this matter, but still some random registrations with no posts starts to bash and not even read the posts, so thats it. I've explained myself enough, and don't want to start sounding like a broken record over there. If he doesn't want to have anything to do with us and like stated about, starting to take the actions he does, I'm not going to go back there and explain my self for the millionth time and start crawling. I personally feel that he insulted us all by announcing the legal steps when we built this for him and waited for his return where he could get his status back with a full grown community. Thats how you say thanks...

We're also sorry for all the moderations by the mods in some of the posts, but it sometimes got a little overboard and we had to edit something out. It's nothing personal, and we're sorry if you felt that.



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