Achievements - The Good, The Bad & The Down Right Ugly [Archive]

Wreckon Dracgon

10-30-2006, 05:42 PM

Good Work Minty (who I saw online for the first time in seemingly months this weekend) I won't spew venom on gaming saving I'll just talk about gaming for fun versus points...

I myself am stuck in the no man's land of wanting points but wanting to play for fun. This weekend for example I purchased "Cars" for the kiddies and started out playing with my daughter just for fun. Then she went to sleep, and I couldn't find a Golem Battle and next thing I know eight hours has passed and I have 900 points on Cars (which was kinda entertaining).

Its tough trying to balance that need for points and the love of gaming. Being in the GamerScore League and wanting to be competitive doesn't help either. It's just so much damn fun hearing that "Achievement Unlocked" it's like a drug. I know I'm not the only one that spent 3 hours looking for those last few officers on Dynasty Warriors. Yet I finished Enchanted Arms after about 80 hours of gameplay and my total gameplay now stands at over 110 hours. I just can't stop playing that game.

I think you can find a way to do both without gamesaving. I mean deep down do any of us give a rat's ass what Rance is at now. I've always tried to catch up to Crash and Routine anyway.

Great article my friend and I wish I had your restraint... maybe then I'd have a level 100 Golem or more importantly maybe I would play/have played Burnout, Oblivion, Chromehounds, Dead Rising, Saints Row, GodFather or Splinter Cell. I refuse to play any of my favorite games just for points so I end up not playing them because NHL 2K7, NHL 07, Open Season, etc... have just been released and I need to get those points first and I'll come back to the games I love later. It really is a sad way to game :( We'll at least I have a two week reprieve before Season Two starts and I can enjoy my Golem Battles, F.E.A.R, and finally start playing Oblivion.

Crash

10-30-2006, 06:42 PM

Very nicely done Minty. I think it points out most of the problems with the gamerscore system. What started out as fun has become a "job" to some and have corrupted others. I am glad I got out the race when I did, because it was quickly becoming no fun. When I started out I had little competitive races with some of the top scorers and would play games with them. I started about a month later than most of them, but quickly caught up and thought I might be able to get close to the top (Top 6 wasn't too bad ;) ). But, soon gamesaves came along and one by one they turned to them, and then went to Japanese systems too, and I just was not willing to go that far, so I bowed out, took a new look at 360 gaming and have become much happier with playing.

Great article my friend and I wish I had your restraint... maybe then I'd have a level 100 Golem or more importantly maybe I would play/have played Burnout, Oblivion, Chromehounds, Dead Rising, Saints Row, GodFather or Splinter Cell. I refuse to play any of my favorite games just for points so I end up not playing them because NHL 2K7, NHL 07, Open Season, etc... have just been released and I need to get those points first and I'll come back to the games I love later.

I used to be like that, but have found that it is much more fun to ignore some of those "just for points" games. I used to rent basically every game, and trying to get those points and would put some of the more fun ones aside, saying things to myself like "I own this game, so it can wait until after the game I rented is done and sent back". Not anymore. Now I won't play a game unless it interests me. The last game I rented was Open Season, which was for me and my daughter to play together. Even with how easy it is I still hadn't gotten the full 1000 in the week I had it before my 360 died. Instead I was playing Splinter Cell because it was much more fun. Same thing goes with Sports games. I am not really into sports at all, and have not had a whole lot of fun with them on the 360 so far, and because of this I have no Sports games played, and don't plan on it any time soon. I'm not saying they are terrible, just too many other games coming out that I enjoy more.

Webb

10-30-2006, 06:55 PM

In all honesty, I play my gamerscore a totally different way. I only play games that I enjoy, as Crash does now (apart from all the football games, thats my aim, to get every point with them, but 5 a year isn't really a chore seeing as I love football) but I try to nail as many points out of that game as possible, except Far Cry (which was terrible IMO) and Table Tennis (some of the achievements seem too much, I mean The Savant, I don't care for that).

But I think that as long as you do what you enjoy best, whether thats playing a game to death, playing every game to death for achievements or even just playing games for games sake, I say carry on with that. Just as long as you don't let the achievement system corrupt you, then it's all good fun. The future is bright for achievement gamers as the market is now a year old and developers are coming up with some more imaginative achievements that are a joy to get :D But some of them never learn!!! *ahem* EA *ahem*

k_dog

10-30-2006, 07:00 PM

As I was telling APF, I've been at 41k for a long time and ever since I left and when Crash came to my house, I've came to the realization that It was too hard to stay in the top 10 and 15. I was struggling to keep up with the cheaters and that I just wnated to play for the quality of the score.

I'll still get as much points as I can out of the games, but you bet your ass I'm never playing RRX again. I dont even want to touch Over-G.

Lonsta DaMonsta

10-30-2006, 07:14 PM

Great article, and as others have said, well written.

Minty

10-30-2006, 07:57 PM

Cheers for the responses guys :D

Good to see a positive reaction to the editorials :p

The Killer 47

10-30-2006, 08:22 PM

Nice food for thought. It was quite an enjoyable read. I admit I've gotten a little carried away with the point collecting, but even I have my limits to what I will play. I realize I'll never be able to keep up and play every game. I try to finish what I start, but if something is beyond my ability I wont bother playing.

CHPwannabe

10-30-2006, 09:56 PM

Very well written, i just recently realized while trying to beat a friend to 10k i was playing any game for the points, i played a lot of crap i never would have.But most of it was just crap (like King Kong)and i wasted a ton of time.BUt again good read keep them coming.

FrothyOmen

10-30-2006, 11:11 PM

I agree, very well written!

I also play only what interests me, but I don't mind coming on here to find out what some secret achievements are and then earn them from time to time :)

MikeS437

10-30-2006, 11:44 PM

Nicely written minty, you truly did catch all the positives and negatives of achievement points. I can remember when i first got my 360 in May not knowing what i was getting myself into. I really was never a huge gamer but once i started playing pgr 3 and my first achievement unlocked, reach rank 10, i haven't stopped wanting to get achievements. Its like a drug to me, i can never get enough of them. The article really got me thinking why i baught my xbox 360 in the first place, to play crazy multiplayer games like call of duty 2 and soon to be playing gears of war! Hopefully some gamers will realize that the 360 was not just made for achievements.

SKVermin

10-30-2006, 11:51 PM

Very well written article. I love getting achievement points myself but don't compete for gamerscore against other players. I use it as a record of progress in my own gameplay experiences. I'll go for achievements to get the most out of the game I dropped my cash down on. There are areas of games that I usually never would bother spending time with, like the track builder in PGR3. But since there were points attributed to it, I thought, let's check it out. Turns out I had some fun playing with the builder. It wasn't long-lasting, but it got me looking at something new. Same with Tiger Woods 07. I probably wouldn't have bothered playing games of 21 or T-I-G-E-R if it weren't for the achievements, but now that I've tried them I'm kinda glad I did.

For me the best way to structure achievements is to attribute points for achievements that you might get through normal gameplay progress (or special feats during regular play), then reserve say 200 of them for the above-and-beyond gameplay to encourage replay value.

eggnog

10-31-2006, 12:02 AM

It's quite a well written article, I totally agree, except you said:

Achievement points are just a number next to your name in a database.

This is actually not true. Your profile is stored on your hard drive, which contains your achievements unlocked and everything. This is why offline profiles aren't displayed online blah, blah, blah. Just thought I'd point that out.

Keep it up Minty.:Bounce:

~eggnog

Worm99

10-31-2006, 12:12 AM

Probably the best and most well written artical on this topic that I have seen to date. Job well done Minty:drunk

DaKing240

10-31-2006, 12:44 AM

Good Article...

Butters

10-31-2006, 03:30 AM

Good Article...

Ditto

I would rather save time by not repeating what everyone has already said.

Sebastian55

10-31-2006, 03:52 AM

Definitely a great article! I too agree and would like to echo with what everyone else here has already said!

For me personally, it all started out as fun like with all gaming consoles... Then, I saw getting achievements as a competitive thing :uzi: . And finally one day... I was like, you know what... Before this gets out of hand, I'm going to just play games that I think would be really good and play the heck out of those games. And as for those games, I try and get those achievements rather than buying/renting crappy games, or games I normally wouldn't give a second look at and playing those. For me, the therapy has worked wonders! :drunk For all those interested, I accept PayPal. :woop:

But on a lighter note, I still enjoy watching others compete and try to beat each other at getting more achievements and points than the other. I have a brother and a best friend that I compete with. We all have fun at it, so it's all good.

snafegeeza

10-31-2006, 04:24 AM

Good read.

Sums up how I feel about the matter. Achievements should be fun.

Personally, I now only play games for fun. Boring myself to death for the sake of achievement points is just not my thing anymore. I still have the urge every now and then to go and earn some points, but I now find myself wanting to go play multiplayer the majority of the time. I have played shit games just for points before, and I have also boosted. These days are gone for me and its all about enjoying the games I play now. No more Amped, Dynasty Warriors, King Kong, Fifa and the rest of the half arsed dross that I have played. Good games, good times.

HIGH PSI

10-31-2006, 05:24 AM

excellent article.

i agree totally,and i am glad to say that i dont just play games for the points,i still stick to the oldskool art of playing the games you want to play,this is why ive only got around 100 or so points on over g fighters,the game was shit so i took it back and got saints row instead,i wasnt going to sit through a game that is 20 years newer but still doesnt compare to after burner(bring it to xbla microsoft).

maybe the people at the top of the gamerscore tables are just compensating for having no talent in any other area of their lives,so they have to be the best at something,sad sad sad individuals:(

Shawn Lesane

10-31-2006, 06:18 AM

Awesome article

100 % true !!! :D

Achievements , Achievements , Achievements , Achievements cant think of nothing else .... haha ;)

very very good minty

LoadedCannon

11-01-2006, 09:56 AM

A thoroughly enjoyable read, it is quite funny how achievements have become an addiction and i'm quite certain that there will be 'achievement addiction rehab clinics' opening soon (I dread to think how many hours i've played my 360 for) but as this site certainly shows, gamers who earn achievements by hard work enjoy the best parts of 360, the feeling of accomplishment and the people you meet by being involved in the community.

Gamesavers are constantly playing crappy games, sleeping very little and constantly watching the leaderboard worrying that if they eat an orange the player behind them might catch up, that lifestyle can't be very healthy.

So long as there's never a link to download saves on this here site then i'll keep on playing and keep on enjoying unlocking achievements.

If downloading gamesaves ever becomes the done thing then i doubt i'd play games any more.

firewx

11-01-2006, 10:18 AM

Excellent! Thank you for posting that editorial...summed up everything I had been mulling over the past few months. I was asking my online friends last week, after just discovering online the gamesave sites, "Why would people do that? It's not like the gamerscore gets you anything, other than bragging rights and a sense of accomplishment. But if you cheat to get them, what good are they?"

Again, good work. I look forward to more editorials in the near future.

Minty

11-01-2006, 10:35 AM

So long as there's never a link to download saves on this here site then i'll keep on playing and keep on enjoying unlocking achievements.

If downloading gamesaves ever becomes the done thing then i doubt i'd play games any more.

I will personally vouch that this site will be against gamesaves 100%, 24/7.

If this ever changes, I will leave the site!

Wreckon Dracgon

11-01-2006, 11:50 AM

It's quite a well written article, I totally agree, except you said:

This is actually not true. Your profile is stored on your hard drive, which contains your achievements unlocked and everything. This is why offline profiles aren't displayed online blah, blah, blah. Just thought I'd point that out.

Keep it up Minty.:Bounce:

~eggnog Actually Minty is right your profile while stored on your harddrive is actually stored on the Microsoft servers. Everytime you login to XBL it is uploaded to their servers and is stored there... if you ever receive the 3 Red Lights of death you'll be happy to know this fact. So technically to quote Minty "Achievement points are just a number next to your name in a database"

oVo Pandora oVo

11-01-2006, 12:00 PM

A very nice article indeed although I like Kevin Costner movies lol I must admit I enjoy the points and have played alot of crap games just for the points but that was only after playing the game you realize it's crap. My goal is to try and play all the US 360 games even the crap ones. It's not solely for the points, it's my competitive drive and nature I have had all my life that I have a hard time switching off sometimes. For the most part I have enjoyed most of the games I have played, some I was surprised at how much I liked them. The first year of games, not so many good ones to keep you occupied, that made it easier to play alot of games I normally wouldn't play. But this coming year soooooo many games I want to buy and play I won't have enough time in the day to play them.:) I will still go after my goal and that is what is fun for me, I have given up trying to be the #1 chick after knowing the top one and a few others game save or have, that doesn't bother me as much anymore so I am making progress :p I also will not push my frustration level to get those last few points ( like the last 2 races in Just Cause just couldn't do it after spending hours trying. ) So I am trying to have more fun while playing some games that I just don't like for points. Like Saints Row I can't stand the game play it is terrible, but I do get a kick out of the things they say, it cracks me up, especially doing the escort activities so the 2 kind of balance each other out lol:p

Webb

11-01-2006, 01:54 PM

I will personally vouch that this site will be against gamesaves 100%, 24/7.

If this ever changes, I will leave the site!

I'll second that as well, and I'm sure Routine would, so there is absolutely no chance in it ;)

BlazeDragon132

11-01-2006, 07:01 PM

Very nice article! :drunk
I just use Gamerscore as an excuse to play my favorite games again.

Webb

11-01-2006, 07:05 PM

I just use Gamerscore as an excuse to play my favorite games again.

I like that analogy a lot. That pretty much hits the nail on the head for me. Well put man :D Oh and King Kong was a mistake :p

eggnog

11-01-2006, 10:43 PM

Actually Minty is right your profile while stored on your harddrive is actually stored on the Microsoft servers. Everytime you login to XBL it is uploaded to their servers and is stored there... if you ever receive the 3 Red Lights of death you'll be happy to know this fact. So technically to quote Minty "Achievement points are just a number next to your name in a database"

Well yea your gamerscore and stuff is, but your friends list, among other things, is not kept on record by MS :p

Senshi KZ

11-02-2006, 01:33 AM

As an independent developer I couldnt agree more with everything you said in that article. Gamesavers and cheaters show nothing but disrespect to what achievements are supposed to mean, and disrespect to online gaming in general. There will always be cheaters, but anyone who abuses the genius idea of "Achievement unlocked", is doing nothing but hurting the game industry.
I try to play as many games as possible, but I cant afford to purchase every game that I play. Therefore I am forced to rent as well, as are alot of people out there. As long as our industry can keep approaching core gamers with great games, the problem with people only playing to boost their score will soon vanish! Playing a game is about the experience you get from it (having fun) and achievements were designed to inhance that experience and allow gamers to show their stats to the world!

Wreckon Dracgon

11-02-2006, 11:19 AM

Well yea your gamerscore and stuff is, but your friends list, among other things, is not kept on record by MS :pOkay last time on this because this is so off topic. Haven't you ever been to xbox.com? Do you think they are pulling that info live from your 360? No it’s the stored info on their servers, Friends List, Messages, everything. Having had the three red lights of death and having to get a new system and new hard drive it was such a relief to be able to just download all that info from their servers. Plus once I got back online all the messages that I received with condolences while I had no 360 were there waiting.

hexdsl

11-05-2006, 02:52 AM

i paid £12 for King king pre-owned, and t obe honest it urnedout to be £11 more than it was worth, i feel ashamed to have the 1000 achievments, theres really no skill involved....

anyway Mr Minty, i love this site, i like your work, thanks dude ;)

Lykos

11-05-2006, 05:34 AM

Well writen man. Actually, there are several grammatical disasters in the editorial.

Back on topic, you make some valid points about Gamerscores, but I don't think that these people are complete and utter cheaters. BK the King was in the top five for individual games several times, and Rance is the only person who has done anything with Bomberman. I'm not really sure how deep some of these go, though, so my opinion is probably not as important. I'd just like to add that percentage should be an important factor to the gamers who can never hope to be in the top ten. My friend has 12000 points, but he's only unlocked 40% of the possible points, but he's still several thousands slots above me in the leaderboards.

LoadedCannon

11-05-2006, 11:11 AM

Couldn't agree with that last post more, I currently have 25165G of 27970 and a good deal of those points are for unlocking hard achievements.

For me anyone who unlocks the 'exemplary' achievement for BF2MC or 'Grand pearl boo-bah' for hexic are the best gamers out there and thats what the leaderboards should reflect.

Perhaps it wasn't such a good idea for microsoft to give us 1000 points per title although i bet it pays them well, it would have been better for games to have points that reflect the difficulty in unlocking the achievements without any points cap, oh well maybe thats for xbox 361.

die coward

11-12-2006, 06:56 PM

Nice article and I agree with you 100%. I loved the Ferrari analogy at the end.

SpaceShot

11-17-2006, 02:25 PM

My only complaint about acheivements is that MSFT didn't seem to stop and think about how to make sure you earned every last one of them. I know this wouldn't have been easy, because it would be no fun to lose the ability to take a gamesave down a friend's house and play. Not to mention with Datel's tools you have access to the hard drive so a craft hacker would be able to "compete" just by making it look like he was earning the achievements in a reasonable time.

While I never would have competed for the top spots, it could have been interesting to be a spectator in the race.

Other than that, the acheivement system has me playing games more, and longer, than I had before. It doesn't have me doing any game rentals or buying more games, because the time I put into gaming is pretty maxed out to begin with. But it turns I out I probably have _fewer_ retail games and _more_ XBLA games than I would have had. Why? The XBLA are nice throwbacks and I can get about half the acheivements done fast. The retail games I am playing "more to completion" so I find myself entertained by titles longer than before.

So for a gamer like me, it's probably hurt overall sales.

mike21878

11-29-2006, 12:54 AM

I agree with the editorial for the most part as well. While there are people that will get the kids games (Open season comes to mind as i am guilty of it) and get the "easy" 1000 points, isn't that what it is about? The whole point of the achievement system is for braggadacio of individual gamers. Sure .. some people will get 1000 on Open season and some will get 1000 on something extremely difficult but does it really matter? My analogy is the same reason a powerhouse college team schedules a division 1-AA team at the beginning of the season. It's easy, it's fun, it makes them look better, and in the end, they are all still videogames. If we didn't play the bad ones , how would we know what the good ones were? I remember thinking nearly sawing my 2600 controller in half while doing the 1500K in "Decathalon" was the pinnacle of video gaming 25 years ago. There is no easy way to separate "Good" from "Bad" achievement points other than assigning appropriate point values to them. I keep myself in the recreation "league" because i don't play much online and don't have time to dedicate to playing 100 matches online or the like ... but I do like playing a game for a few days, getting 500 or so points and moving on. Does that make me any less of a gamer than the online lovers? Nope ... just a horse of a different color.

graemelunn

12-07-2006, 02:38 AM

Just read the article Minty - you keep pumping out quality reads like that and I can save loads on magazine subs!! Brilliant.

Just a quick point tho (at the risk of being slated). People are here with GScores of 15000+ and can happily sit back and slate certain launch titles for being easy point grabbers, however, I have been asked for hints and tips by loads of people whom actually aren't finding these games so easy, so for them, there is still a sense of "achievement". For the most experienced gamers, of course, these are easy points opportunities that will be quickly absorbed by the gamerscore masses, but for me the points have achieved their purpose of actually getting people to play the games. After all, word of mouth advertising in the games community (still tiny compared to other media forms) is worth it's weight in gold for sales/resales or rentals of certain titles.

And to be honest, backing up the kids games everyone is commenting on - I have them and to be honest have thoroughly enjoyed most of them.

Gamerscore for me is just a rewarding way of getting my money worth out of games rather than just a quick completion blast and then ignoring the thing or exiling it to the "Played and Finished box" i used to have for my PS2.

Gamesavers have ultimately spoiled what could have been a great competitive factor for our community which MS could have used to organise tourneys / allocate beta tests / run competitions etc. The scope could have been endless, alas, the good of the many spoiled by the greed of the few.

RadicalSniper99

12-13-2006, 02:16 PM

I definently think the whole earning points thing is a high to some people. Seeing the little "ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED" along the bottom is always a great feeling.

I personally haven't found a need to have a high gamerscore, I do prefer to play what is fun to what is going to get me points. I haven't been a part of the League yet, but I am going to probably enter Season 3. The question for me is whether or not I will play games just to get achievements for my gamerscore/team. I mean, a lot of the '06 games have scores for a 1000 you can get in a few hours. Do I want to do that?

vincesecuricor2

12-18-2006, 09:05 PM

an amazing article that kinda made me take a look at joining the site, nice one minty!

IceWarm

12-19-2006, 06:38 AM

Great article. I only play the games I want. I sometimes help others by letting them beat me to get achievements. I also have my friends help me and let me win matches as well. I really don't consider that cheating. It is far from using a gamesave. We are actually playing/winning the needed amount of matches and so on. Regardless great read.

TheMollywhopper

01-03-2007, 04:37 PM

First off, fantastic article, and I should have read this a long time ago... But you know that already! I like to make fun of my friends for playing Cars and Open Season, and I occasionally get so bored I'll give something like Alaskan Adventures a shot, but I never force myself to play a game. I have a hard time with the whole "black & white" thing (call me a liberal), but it hits me pretty hard occassionally (hey, here's a prime example, one of my first posts on the site! http://www.xbox360achievements.org/forum/showthread.php?t=5591)
All in all I think we overestimate the impact Gamerscore is having on the gaming community as a whole, and even on the 360. Having worked at a game store for a decent while, and knowing a plethora of gamers, I can honestly say that less than 10% of the 360 owners I've encountered outside of this site know both what gamerscore is and care about it. I'm not detracting here, as the article is of course infinitely relevent to the focus of this site and something of a mission statement for it's future.

suarvvve

01-03-2007, 07:30 PM

Nice article. Concise and objective.

ContrastElement

01-04-2007, 06:14 AM

definatley (i knw i spelled that wrong) a good read, 2 thumbs up

ArtificialDemon

01-04-2007, 08:48 AM

A very good read!

Motenai

03-13-2007, 03:12 PM

It's been quite a time since this article was written, but I wanted my very first message in the forum to talk about it.

I think the author displays my thoughts about GS points with an amazing perfection. Right today I have only 15k, but every one of this points was gained in a legit way. Oh, I have the 1000 from King Kong, that's for sure, but if you could name a game at that time that could be played (and finished) with only a 2-days rental time left, please tell me. And it's not that bad! (well, maybe it's not that good either).

GamerScore Points should be a proof of patience, skill, spare time and luck. And for that, I am very proud of MY points. I dislike methods from people who plays merely to score, as well as "Do you mind if we create a game for achievement trading?". I think that as well goes against the core of the gamerscore mechanics.

Anyway, I have included a link to this article in my blog. If anybody wants ever to play a -fair- game of whatsoever, please add MotenaiYoda as a friend.

Congratulations again for the article and greetings from Spain.

fatces

03-13-2007, 07:13 PM

sadly i just read the article (i been for 2 or 3 months in the site), and i think it was great, congrats minty, and i know we all love achivements (earned with our work) but there's always going to be somebody who wants to bend the rules to be recognized (gamesaves), but hey look at the bright side, there's always x360a.org, where we are sure that all the people that are part of this great site have earned their achivements fair and square.

i dont care about the world rank, all i care is about who's the highest ranked in this site, and i hope to be someday as good player as them, 'cause i know they play legit.

saschagamegallery

05-28-2007, 05:42 PM

Hi everyone. I'm new to this site. But after reading your article I was very impressed. I review games for a newspaper and I was sadly not aware that people were using saves for that sad reason. I play all the games I get to review as I get paid for my opinion not someone elses. I don't have a huge gamer score by any scope. But I feel proud of the points I did get. I worked my butt off to get some of those points. Gamer points are like the rest of xbox live people are cheating and will continue to cheat when they find a chance. I can happily say I never thought that highly of the gamer points system that I felt compeled to cheat.

thugmotivator101

07-02-2007, 04:35 PM

in the article this guy is saying that no 1 ever would buy kink kong for fun. i bought it when i was still playing on the ps2 and actually enjoyed it even though it was short and not worth all of my money then but still... i am not going to buy it for the xbox 360 now for the achievements because i have already played it.

ps: great article and i love this site it helped me a lot.

AftershocK

07-13-2007, 02:25 PM

I must admit i did enjoy king kong the first time i played it mainly because of the big achievements but then my account got hacked so i had to make a new account and start all my games again but the second time i played king kong it was only for the achievements and i didn't enjoy it one bit.

xMA55ACRE

07-19-2007, 10:26 PM

minty your article is amazing and i agree with it all. kudos

i myself stride to get achievements because it gives me a challenge, its something else to play for, and i get my moneys worth out of a game. i hate breezing through a game then not having anything to do but i no longer face that with achievements

horray for everyone that isnt obsessed with a number and instead enjoys a challenge

nickhopkinz

08-04-2007, 02:04 PM

i failed as a man today, i looked at my gamerscore, and was like "wow, fuck this" so i went and rented nba2k6 (which took me 1 exhibition game and 10min of work to get the 1000) played 1 game, and returned it, and i rented kameo (btw. i hate these games) played 2 seconds of it, and realised gamerscore is not worth the sacrifices!!!

Khaos

09-11-2007, 08:10 PM

That is one amazingly written article.

As for the downside of gamesaving, which ruins the "sport" that we all play so incessantly, there may be a solution.

What would happen if saves were linked to the system. Your 360 knows what system it is. My 360 knows that it is serial #xxxxx whatever the hell. If there was a extra line of code in the game, that when, say Gears is played, on console #xxxxx, the save is for console #xxxxx. When that save is loaded up on a different console, the game would just be like, well, I'm console #yyyyyy, and I see no saves that are from me, so I guess I'll be loading up a new game.

That would suck major monkey nuts if you have to get a new system b/c of red lights, but it would work. Maybe they could be linked to the hard drive. Then about the only way to cheat is to know someone that has that game saved, and they'd physically walk over with their hard drive, then you'd have to import your Tag, and it would be a hell of alot of work, though some cheaters would still try.

What do you guys think???